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http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/01/05/venezuela.coffee.ap/index.html

This article describes the protest of the Venezuelan coffee makers refusal to sell their coffee at the proscribed government price (as it is lower than the price to produce the coffee happens to be). As a result, the Venezuelan government is sending in the military and seizing the coffee from the warehouses and putting it in government stores.

Now maybe it's just me, but doesn't this sound like a bad idea? I mean, the coffee is the products of the coffee makers, who are private, and it is their right to decide whether or not they want to sell their coffee or not. I mean, what would Chavez do if the companies decided just to get out of the coffee business altogether? Would he haver the national guard come along and force them to reenter the coffee business? I dunno, I just don't like Chavez, he's a bad influence in Latin America and he's probably going to wind up wrecking the Venezuelan economy for a long time. Sigh.

yes he is the worst influence in the region, using all the money he recieves from oil sales to buy allies in the region. Most political leaders of neighboring countries (except colombia) have accepted his ecnomical aid to build bridges and other civil works while we are having a bridge in caracas that is almost going to fall apart and we also have people in poverty and starvation. My question is why couldn't he take care of the home problems before taking care of business in Cuba, Argentina, Uruguay or bolivia???

I think Chavez is a cool cat. He gives poor families oil at discount prices :D

I really don't trust him.

I think Chavez is a cool cat. He gives poor families oil at discount prices :D
Welcome to the land of propaganda politics. Chavez has offered cut-rate oil so as to boost his sagging image in the United States. It's certainly not out of the kindness of his heart, but out of political self interest.

Welcome to the land of propaganda politics. Chavez has offered cut-rate oil so as to boost his sagging image in the United States. It's certainly not out of the kindness of his heart, but out of political self interest.
So what? He still did it.

The democratically elected government set a price on coffee. That is a law. These individuals are refusing to sell their coffee at that price, so Chavez sent government forces to force their compliance.

It's questionable... but not neccesarily uberev1l.

As to Hugo Chavez, I've always said I like the guy's willingness to use Socialism and his care for the poor. If it were between him and GW Bush, I'd vote for Chavez. Chavez does do and say some shit that is a tad sub-par(like attacking Halloween and such) and I'm not above admitting that an individual I support has flaws. My hope is that he doesn't get corrupted by power and end up as an autocrat. No matter how much I like his politics, we don't need another Autocrat in South America.

yes he is the worst influence in the region, using all the money he recieves from oil sales to buy allies in the region. Most political leaders of neighboring countries (except colombia) have accepted his ecnomical aid to build bridges and other civil works while we are having a bridge in caracas that is almost going to fall apart and we also have people in poverty and starvation. My question is why couldn't he take care of the home problems before taking care of business in Cuba, Argentina, Uruguay or bolivia???why did you vote for him?

I've said it before and I'll say it again. After a few years of Chavez's economic policies Venezuela will be the poorest nation in Latin America.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. After a few years of Chavez's economic policies Venezuela will be the poorest nation in Latin America.

If only he'd do it the American approved way and shoot his poor - drive them into exile - have a few Nuns raped.......

I've said it before and I'll say it again. After a few years of Chavez's economic policies Venezuela will be the poorest nation in Latin America.Chavez is there for almost a decade.. reelected a few times ..
Under Chavez Venezuela has kept his economic status (one of the best in Latin America).. and id has made Groundbreaking advances in Health and Education.

Wanna see a New President in action.. Bush's Worst Nightmare :D President Evo Morales... Would you take a bet on him?

I say Morales is going accomplish almost as much as Chavez.

Bolivia is going to get better in most important fields.

If only he'd do it the American approved way and shoot his poor - drive them into exile - have a few Nuns raped.......
Yeah, that's exactly what he should do.:rolleyes:

I'm saying that he's driven out foreign investment capital, chased out many of his rich and middle class people (who took much of their money with them), is spending money like mad, and is selling his oil at discount prices while the market price is high. The oil market is cyclical. Prices rise and fall. When the oil prices drop Chavez's nation will be bankrupt.

Chavez is there for almost a decade.. reelected a few times ..
Under Chavez Venezuela has kept his economic status (one of the best in Latin America).. and id has made Groundbreaking advances in Health and Education.

Wanna see a New President in action.. Bush's Worst Nightmare :D President Evo Morales... Would you take a bet on him?

I say Morales is going accomplish almost as much as Chavez.

Bolivia is going to get better in most important fields.
Time will tell, but I'm pretty sure that rushing reforms through and chasing foreign investment out will end up having serious negative economic consequences.

Chavez is there for almost a decade.. reelected a few times ..
Under Chavez Venezuela has kept his economic status (one of the best in Latin America).. and id has made Groundbreaking advances in Health and Education.

Wanna see a New President in action.. Bush's Worst Nightmare :D President Evo Morales... Would you take a bet on him?

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I've read other on Venezuela's economy.

http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/world/A0861772.html

Despite government reform programs, Venezuela's wealth remains in the hands of a small minority. A disproportionately high percentage of the population lives in poverty; since the end of the oil boom in the early 1980s, the percentage of poor Venezuelans has increased dramatically, from 28% to 68%. Many cities have squalid shanty towns, and in the countryside many people are still tenant farmers.

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1:73220010/ECONOMY%2DVENEZUELA%7EC%7E+SEVERITY+OF+THE+CURRENT+CRISIS+IN+DISPUTE.html?refid=ip_hf

- Venezuela is facing another year of economic troubles, as in 2002 when it was the only member of the Andean Community trade bloc to post negative growth figures, although officials, business leaders and analysts disagree on the severity of the continuing crisis. Venezuela's Central Bank reported that the economy shrank 8.9 percent last year, while Bolivia's economy grew 2.6 percent, Colombia's 1.6 percent, Ecuador's 3.3 percent and Peru's 5.2 percent.

Not saying you're wrong, but do you have some sources?

Ridiculous. Price controls do nothing but cause shortages and black markets and Chavez is wrecking an entire sector of the economy with his dumbass ideas. How many independent producers are going to be put out of business with his dumb idea? If anything, requiring price controls will make the situation worse, as producers deal with high costs by firing workers and reducing production, or even going out of business.

For reference, a 1 cent difference in price represents a little over $1.5 million in lost revenue to the coffee producers.

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I say Morales is going accomplish almost as much as Chavez.

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What has Chavez achieved? He's driven away foreign investment and stuck a finger up at the USA.

If that kind of thing pleases you then you need to grow up a bit.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/01/05/venezuela.coffee.ap/index.html

This article describes the protest of the Venezuelan coffee makers refusal to sell their coffee at the proscribed government price (as it is lower than the price to produce the coffee happens to be). As a result, the Venezuelan government is sending in the military and seizing the coffee from the warehouses and putting it in government stores.

Now maybe it's just me, but doesn't this sound like a bad idea? I mean, the coffee is the products of the coffee makers, who are private, and it is their right to decide whether or not they want to sell their coffee or not. I mean, what would Chavez do if the companies decided just to get out of the coffee business altogether? Would he haver the national guard come along and force them to reenter the coffee business? I dunno, I just don't like Chavez, he's a bad influence in Latin America and he's probably going to wind up wrecking the Venezuelan economy for a long time. Sigh.

He is another dictator like Fidel, and Cuba is no workers paradise and
no poor peoples' paradise like some of my fellow nations on NS believe,
just ask me, my family and relatives, thank you for your thread.

i agree with la habana, that island isn't a workers paradise or anything like that, and i admit i'm venezuelan but i don't feel represented by a guy who has done all the worst things i've seen a politician can do. In the USA it's ok to be afraid about e-voting, because the fear of election rigging is true, last august was the prime example, exit polls said the guy was busted 60/40 but the rigged the results (the machines had bidirectional communication), the same happened with the last december congress elections where the oppossition resigned en masse due to the same fear.

...the same happened with the last december congress elections where the oppossition resigned en masse due to the same fear.
But to be honest, politically it was a very bad decision. So, okay, Chavez is a populist who's got the support from the poor and uneducated majority...but since when is that a reason to just throw in the towel?

Now the opposition is even less a factor than it was before.

I say Morales is going accomplish almost as much as Chavez.



What has Chavez achieved? He's driven away foreign investment and stuck a finger up at the USA.

If that kind of thing pleases you then you need to grow up a bit.The answer to your question is in post # 11 ;)

i agree with la habana, that island isn't a workers paradise or anything like that, and i admit i'm venezuelan but i don't feel represented by a guy who has done all the worst things i've seen a politician can do. In the USA it's ok to be afraid about e-voting, because the fear of election rigging is true, last august was the prime example, exit polls said the guy was busted 60/40 but the rigged the results (the machines had bidirectional communication), the same happened with the last december congress elections where the oppossition resigned en masse due to the same fear.so maybe you should start selling "NOT MY PRESIDENT" bumper stickers in Venezuela. :D :D :p :D

. My hope is that he doesn't get corrupted by power and end up as an autocrat. No matter how much I like his politics, we don't need another Autocrat in South America.
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What has Chavez achieved? He's driven away foreign investment and stuck a finger up at the USA.

If that kind of thing pleases you then you need to grow up a bit.
amen

BTW Maelog.. learn to use the damn QUOTE function.