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Okay after doing some thinking I have figured out something.

If darwinisim is true then the not so smart animals/humans would be dead.
But look around you there are alot of non smart humans who are near the top of society.
Like george bush.

So this is my take on how life ight have been created in the begining god created the earth for man and then when he was preparing the earth, animals where made by the darwinist theory of evoloution so that the less well of animlas would die.
But then when god created man he gave him and her compassion for his or hers fellow man.

How can so many people who believe in god be wrong.

Something does not have to be touched to be real.

Atheists and liberals I must say.
If you believe that all men are equal then why do you make us look evil, feel insignifacant, treat us like we or medieval and acient and why do you wnat to seperate church and state if you want to be a part off our life then actually regocnize that we are the majority.

No, laws prevent the killing of stupid creatures.

Come on christians it is the time.
Science has destroyed you sure we have so much technology but science kills unborn babies, it kills people, sunsets are no longer amazing because science has destroyed us.

youve clearly misunderstood natural selection, which whether you agree with evolution or not, is a pretty accurate model. natural selection does not weed out the 'stupid creatures', it weeds out thoes unable to protect their long term genetic interests.....

So...many...errors.....cannot correct them all...brain overloading...losing...consciousness...

:rolleyes:

Come on christians it is the time.
Science has destroyed you sure we have so much technology but science kills unborn babies, it kills people, sunsets are no longer amazing because science has destroyed us.


Hahah! My plan has succeeded! Now that the EVIL of science has rendered sunsets less majestic, not even the Care Bears can stop me!

Come on people.
Do you never have the feeling that there is more then just what you see.
The feeling that there is a god.
The gut feeling inside.

Human cultural institutions exist to prevent stupid humans from dying as a result of their stupidity.

Natural selection's impact on humans has been drastically reduced. Financial and ideological selection put Bush in charge.

Come on people.
Do you never have the feeling that there is more then just what you see.
The feeling that there is a god.
The gut feeling inside.
When you were a little kid did you ever have the gut feeling that the boogeyman was hiding under your bed or in your closet?

If gut feelings count as evidence then you must also believe in the existence of the boogeyman.

Chortle

Drunk commies replieing on my thread.
Yay.

aliens were sent here to destroy earth by infecting it with a self consuming sexually transmitted disease known as humanity. they raped the monkeys and humans werer born, that is why there is no missing link. it went from one to the other. and now the earths immunity system is fighting back, the polar ice caps will melt the water will flood and flow to opposite pulls cleansing earth of this virus.

Come on people.
Do you never have the feeling that there is more then just what you see.
The feeling that there is a god.
The gut feeling inside.
I try but to no avail. Why has your God forsaken me?

So...many...errors.....cannot correct them all...brain overloading...losing...consciousness...
*fans Bottle*... don't worry, this person won't hurt you any more.

Guffaw. If there is a god, maybe you should just sit tight and hope that he/she/it'll intervene and KA-PWNZORZ all us darwinists.

Darwinism can be as wrong as you like; evolution still stands as a reliable theory.

Suffering exists.
Because god makes us learn from our mistakes.

Come on people.
Do you never have the feeling that there is more then just what you see.
The feeling that there is a god.
The gut feeling inside.

Strangely I feel completely the opposite, that this is all there is til we can discover more about it through Scientific Discovery,
And I most definately feel that talking to most religious peops that there is one God too many.

If we allow those people who believe sex is a big nono, not to go around and pollute vulnerable minds, maybe we can evolve out of religion, now there is a thought, maybe a prolific STD that kills you, and only a Condom can save you... woohoo the Catholic Church is Killing its own, Rejoice...

Suffering exists.
Because god makes us learn from our mistakes.
I don't get it?

Why is nation states mainly atheists.
It makes us feel isolated.

If darwinisim is true then the not so smart animals/humans would be dead.
Just those who can't figure out how to procreate. ;)

How can so many people who believe in god be wrong.
If the majority is always right the Sun would still revolve around the Earth.

If darwinisim is true then the not so smart animals/humans would be dead.

False. This is like saying because computer technology evolves (and it does!) there are no obsolete computers around.


But look around you there are alot of non smart humans who are near the top of society.

I don't think he's nearly as stupid as his speech and policies would have everyone believe.

So this is my take on how life ight have been created in the begining god created the earth for man and then when he was preparing the earth, animals where made by the darwinist theory of evoloution so that the less well of animlas would die.

Darwinism is actually pretty outdated. Evolution has come a long way since him. But otherwise there isn't anything inherently *wrong* about this belief; a lot of theists accept that evolution may be God's way of 'creation.'


But then when god created man he gave him and her compassion for his or hers fellow man.

Some people have compassion. Human history shows that compassion is largely irrelevant.


How can so many people who believe in god be wrong.

This is a logical error; appeal to popularity. Just because a lot of people believe something doesn't validate that belief. A lot of people used to believe the Earth is flat too, remember?


Something does not have to be touched to be real.

True enough. But hardly "proof" of anything.


If you believe that all men are equal then why do you make us look evil, feel insignifacant, treat us like we or medieval and acient and why do you wnat to seperate church and state if you want to be a part off our life then actually regocnize that we are the majority.

Well, for one thing you're actually using a medieval theological argument.

For another, you ARE insignificant, just like everyone else.

Lastly, even Christians in the majority wanted to separate Church and State. The Founding Fathers knew their shit. There's a REASON Churches are Churches and City Hall is City Hall.

Or suffering exists because there is no god and we've simply created the circumstances that make suffering incredibly easy.

*shrug*

If you truely believe in a faith, you don't need proof for it... thus being faith...

most of these "I HAVE PROOF!" topics are just a waste of time.

Come on christians it is the time.
Science has destroyed you sure we have so much technology but science kills unborn babies, it kills people, sunsets are no longer amazing because science has destroyed us.
Excuse me? With the advent of technology we are now able to create the finest sunsets known to man. No other sunsets in history have been cause by the glowing radioactive dust particles that once made up ones worst enemy. Ponder on it, and think on these few lines:

Red sky at night, shepherd's delight,
Red sky in the morning, four minute warning.

I don't get it?
The naughty Christian is mixing Buddhism with Christian's corrupted ideals...

Buddhism: Existence is suffering. To overcome suffering, one most overcome desire; desire is part of existence.

Human cultural institutions exist to prevent stupid humans from dying as a result of their stupidity.

Natural selection's impact on humans has been drastically reduced. Financial and ideological selection put Bush in charge.and who set up those Institutions... Humans with compassion and a need to not see the slow, sick and stupid die a "Needless" death. that's why alot of Genetic conditions still prevail.

To be Cold Hearted here, if we (as humans) allowed those genetic defects, those illnesses passed from Parent to child to die out. wouldn't the race be stronger (genetic-wise) for it? isn't that the logical choice to make instead of burdening Family Members with the cost for the treatments to repress the desease?

no animal species would go to the extent we humans go through to save another. Our compassion (or perhaps Passion is a better word,) is mirrored in other animals but never to the extent we humans have.

When you were a little kid did you ever have the gut feeling that the boogeyman was hiding under your bed or in your closet?

If gut feelings count as evidence then you must also believe in the existence of the boogeyman.
no. for the record, I didn't fear the Boogeyman.

and realize alot of people do rely on Gut Feelings.

Not saying weather or not the original premise is true, but it is something to think about.

Come on people.
Do you never have the feeling that there is more then just what you see.

Yes. But I have 20/200 vision.


The feeling that there is a god.

Oh, that. Yeah, I sometimes feel that Cthulhu* is speaking into my fleshy mammalian mind, but Mom assured me that he currently lies in death-like sleep in the sunken city of R'lyeh somewhere in the Southeast Pacific Ocean and his immersion in salt water prevents him from telepathically controlling me.

*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cthulhu
The gut feeling inside.
*Buuuuuuurp*

Not any more.

Athiests do you not feel sad for destroyin 200 yeras of christian faith.
Do you not feel upset of what you have done.

I happen to know that evolution is correct. This morning I was a monkey. Now I am a super-accelerated human. Neat, eh?

Athiests do you not feel sad for destroyin 200 yeras of christian faith.
Do you not feel upset of what you have done.
200 years?

Athiests do you not feel sad for destroyin 200 yeras of christian faith.
Do you not feel upset of what you have done.
You're asking people to feel upset because they chose not to have the same views as you? :rolleyes:

200 years?
We're still working on it.

Sorry 2000.
Come on where are the christians.

Athiests do you not feel sad for destroyin 200 yeras of christian faith.
Do you not feel upset of what you have done.
What happened to the other 1800? *searches*
Shit! Who stole them? I know, it's just a typo, but I couldn't resist;)
EDIT: and neither it seems, could anyone else.

Why is nation states mainly atheists.
It makes us feel isolated.

God created all us atheists and liberals and forced us to join NS to punish the faithful people that he loves oh so much.

That's what you get for being descended from adam and eve.

When you were a little kid did you ever have the gut feeling that the boogeyman was hiding under your bed or in your closet?

If gut feelings count as evidence then you must also believe in the existence of the boogeyman.
The 'gut feeeling' is a belief.

So yes, it can be said that that child believes in the boogeyman.

Sorry 2000.
Come on where are the christians.

In church.

Do Christians not feel sad for destroying 5,000 years of ancient Egyptian religion? Do you not feel upset for what you have done? Or the Inquisition? Or the crusades? The sacking of Constantinople?

Okay after doing some thinking I have figured out something.

If darwinisim is true then the not so smart animals/humans would be dead.
But look around you there are alot of non smart humans who are near the top of society.
Like george bush.

So this is my take on how life ight have been created in the begining god created the earth for man and then when he was preparing the earth, animals where made by the darwinist theory of evoloution so that the less well of animlas would die.
But then when god created man he gave him and her compassion for his or hers fellow man.

How can so many people who believe in god be wrong.

Something does not have to be touched to be real.

Atheists and liberals I must say.
If you believe that all men are equal then why do you make us look evil, feel insignifacant, treat us like we or medieval and acient and why do you wnat to seperate church and state if you want to be a part off our life then actually regocnize that we are the majority.

That is absolutely the worst reasoning I have ever run across

Add that to the fact that you obviously don’t understand Darwinism much less current evolutionary theory.

This post is too stupid to be real … just own up to being a puppet

Sorry 2000.
Come on where are the christians.
You answered your own question: there aren't any Christians, because atheism destroyed Christian faith at the same time that science was destroying rainbows. Also, the godless kick puppies for fun.

Sorry 2000.
Come on where are the christians.
Nowhere to be found...

:rolleyes:
For once I absolutely agree

Who’s puppet do you think he is ?

And the you cjange the subject.
One the kinghts templars were not that christian they were the illuminati nad sacred aemies against the church and everyting good.
Come on christians if you believe please come and help.

I happen to know that evolution is correct. This morning I was a monkey. Now I am a super-accelerated human. Neat, eh?

In the process, you mustve gotten an extra chromosome somewhere in there... :rolleyes:

Most people on the site call themselves athiest cause they feel smarter when they say it.

Sorry 2000.
Come on where are the christians.
They are too smart to associate with the likes of you

And the you cjange the subject.
One the kinghts templars were not that christian they were the illuminati nad sacred aemies against the church and everyting good.
Come on christians if you believe please come and help.

What about the Egyptians? kindly respond...

And the Templars were Christian. Answer with some facts rather than vague conspiracies.

Yes. But I have 20/200 vision.


Oh, that. Yeah, I sometimes feel that Cthulhu* is speaking into my fleshy mammalian mind, but Mom assured me that he currently lies in death-like sleep in the sunken city of R'lyeh somewhere in the Southeast Pacific Ocean and his immersion in salt water prevents him from telepathically controlling me.

*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cthulhu
*Buuuuuuurp*

Not any more.
The fact is that Cthulhu can still invade the minds of inferior species, like humans, even while he lies dead in his sunken city. He does so in order to command his cultists to prepare to come and open the door to his residence when R'lyeh rises.

Athiests do you not feel sad for destroyin 200 yeras of christian faith.
Do you not feel upset of what you have done.
Don't Christians feel sad for having destroyed 1000 years of native culture in Mexico? Don't you feel upset for the attrocities committed in the name of your god? Have some shame before writing such things.

In the process, you mustve gotten an extra chromosome somewhere in there... :rolleyes:

Most people on the site call themselves athiest cause they feel smarter when they say it.

I call myself agnostic atheist because it feels presumtuous to say anything else.

Most people on the site call themselves athiest cause they feel smarter when they say it.
No, because no one likes being a minority.

I believe in conspiracies.
God will come .

I hate when I take the trouble to actually address what someone posts, only to be ignored cuz that poster is just trying to rally like-minded individuals instead of actually, ya know, converse with anyone.

In other words, TROLL. Waste of time.

I believe in conspiracies.
God will come .

WHAT ABOUT THE EGYPTIANS?

I demand an apology on behalf of the long-dead Egyptian faith!

In the process, you mustve gotten an extra chromosome somewhere in there... :rolleyes:

Not necessarily. If he used to a baboon or a Rhesus monkey he would need to have sprouted a few more chromosomes, but if he used to be a gibbon or a gorilla he could have lost some chromosomes.

Most people on the site call themselves athiest cause they feel smarter when they say it.

I feel smarter when I say "pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcaniconiosis."

Athiests do you not feel sad for destroyin 200 yeras of christian faith.
Do you not feel upset of what you have done.

Do you not feel sad for killing hundreds of women for being witches? For the crusades?

Okay after doing some thinking I have figured out something.
If darwinisim is true then the not so smart animals/humans would be dead.
But look around you there are alot of non smart humans who are near the top of society.Like george bush.
The fact is, us humans are jsut so good at surviving that even the shitty humans can. People at the top who are dumb are just front-men for large scale control systems. They exist because its easier to focus our feelings on an individual person than on an system.


How can so many people who believe in god be wrong.

How can so many people who beleive in darwanism be wrong?

If you believe that all men are equal then why do you make us look evil, feel insignifacant, treat us like we or medieval and acient and why do you wnat to seperate church and state if you want to be a part off our life then actually regocnize that we are the majority.
As a liberal, and somewhat of an atheist, I think I can say that we don't look upon creationists as "evil" just "unfortunatly raised to beleive this crazy shit". Most of the attitudes held by the chritian church today are highly medieval, and are manipulative of christian scripture. Creationists are not the majority. (in canada) 12% of people feel that god either created the universe or that some higher being had something to do with it. Although I'm sure this number is much higher in places like the US or France, creationists are not a majority. Liberatarians who beleive the church and the state should be seperate do not want to be a part of yours, or of anyone else's private life.

I believe in conspiracies.
God will come .
Yeah, but in the form of the great Cthulhu rising from beneath the waves.

Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!

The fact is that Cthulhu can still invade the minds of inferior species, like humans, even while he lies dead in his sunken city. He does so in order to command his cultists to prepare to come and open the door to his residence when R'lyeh rises.
Mooommmy!!!

WHAT ABOUT THE EGYPTIANS?

I demand an apology on behalf of the long-dead Egyptian faith!
Calm yourself. When Cthulhu the Devourer arrises, all shall perish in equal torment.

At the very least I greatly admire the Churches. They created an authority which cannot be challenged, because 'God said so. God is intangible, but omnipotent. You are wrong.'. A bloody good system for those at the top.

WHAT ABOUT THE EGYPTIANS?

I demand an apology on behalf of the long-dead Egyptian faith!

We're not dead! The faith was just.. uhm.. dormant for a while!

And there are plenty of spiritually-minded and religious folks here on NS. Not all of us hate teh ebul sience though.

And the you cjange the subject.
One the kinghts templars were not that christian they were the illuminati nad sacred aemies against the church and everyting good.
Come on christians if you believe please come and help.

Of course, it was all the illuminati. It's all so clear now[/sarc]

Do you not feel sad for killing hundreds of women for being witches? For the crusades?
Don't forget the Spanish Inquisition and the Vatican's impose mandate on England for it to oppress Ireland.

Of course, it was all the illuminati. It's all so clear now[/sarc]

Oh dear. I'm afraid we're going to have to kill you now. Western Mackinton has been on THE LIST for a while now. You both know too much.

Do you not feel sad for killing hundreds of women for being witches? For the crusades?
*cough* BURN *cough*

I'd also like to add for supporting institutions that reduce the quality of life for billions today. And for the large scale murders of non-christians (druids pagans naturalists wiccans etc) during the final hundred years of the roman empire and one hundred years after 417. And for the jews throughout the medieval and renessance eras, infact from the formation of chirstianity untill the holocaust. And for the imperialisation, conquest and globalisation of the world, which I beleive has only brought problems.

What list may that be.
Come on let us rise Jesus will come back.

No, because no one likes being a minority.

that too..

I say we take evolution, put it in a room with some candlelight and champagne, and bring in creationism. Watch the sparks fly, and the love child of Creolution will be born.

It will speak with a Louisiana accent and eat spicy fried chicken.

In conclusion: some of histories worst problems have either been caused or aided and abetted by Mother Church Corporation.

When you were a little kid did you ever have the gut feeling that the boogeyman was hiding under your bed or in your closet?

If gut feelings count as evidence then you must also believe in the existence of the boogeyman.

I believe in the boogeyman. I have my reasons.

Thank God he stopped watching me at night. It was hard to sleep.:mp5:

This is some Jesussaves type shit ain't it?

I happen to know that evolution is correct. This morning I was a monkey. Now I am a super-accelerated human. Neat, eh?

That's not evolution. That's caffeine.

As if some dude said the Knights Templar were illuminati. Dear God I couldn't stop laughing. Oh lord have mercy. Wooh. Ah, sorry I couldn't stop laughing.
Was that a joke or did you forget that Dan Brown's novel's are fiction?

This is some Jesussaves type shit ain't it?
Like I said its got to be a puppet of sorts

That's not evolution. That's caffeine.

Oh. When I say 'super-accelerated' I do mean I had to be scraped off the walls... Thanks for clearing some shit up for me.:)

This is some Jesussaves type shit ain't it?
Well, he did use George Bush's stupidity to prove the existence of God. I'd say that rates at least a Jesussaves on the Batshit-Crazy-O-Meter.

Are you saying i am a puppet.
Come on people.

Are you saying i am a puppet.
Come on people.
Yup but now the only trick is to figure out who the puppet master is

Are you saying i am a puppet.
Come on people.
I think you're a muppet, does that count?

Okay after doing some thinking I have figured out something.

If darwinisim is true then the not so smart animals/humans would be dead.
But look around you there are alot of non smart humans who are near the top of society.
Like george bush.

So this is my take on how life ight have been created in the begining god created the earth for man and then when he was preparing the earth, animals where made by the darwinist theory of evoloution so that the less well of animlas would die.
But then when god created man he gave him and her compassion for his or hers fellow man.

How can so many people who believe in god be wrong.

Something does not have to be touched to be real.

Atheists and liberals I must say.
If you believe that all men are equal then why do you make us look evil, feel insignifacant, treat us like we or medieval and acient and why do you wnat to seperate church and state if you want to be a part off our life then actually regocnize that we are the majority.

for the most part, please understand that this poster does not represent the majority of christians, jews, muslims, and all other god believers

That's not evolution. That's caffeine.
Ah, so that's the secret behind evolution... :D

*cough* BURN *cough*

I'd also like to add for supporting institutions that reduce the quality of life for billions today. And for the large scale murders of non-christians (druids pagans naturalists wiccans etc) during the final hundred years of the roman empire and one hundred years after 417. And for the jews throughout the medieval and renessance eras, infact from the formation of chirstianity untill the holocaust. And for the imperialisation, conquest and globalisation of the world, which I beleive has only brought problems.

Actually very few women were actually burnt. The vast majority were hanged.

Athiests do you not feel sad for destroyin 200 yeras of christian faith.
Do you not feel upset of what you have done.


I don't feel a shred of regret for my failure to be conned into a belife in anything supernatural. Failure to find compeling reasons to belive in something that never existed is hardly the same as destroying it.


And even if it were somehow possible, your logic calls for Christians to be terribly sad for destroying many other religions (and arguably more so, since Christianity has demonstrably done so.)

By the way, do you not feel sad for your disrespect towards Christianity. I'm Buddhist, not Christian, but at least I have the courtesy to respectfully capitalise the name.

Can anyone tell me exactly when atheism killed off Christianity? I was under the impression it was still going. Ah well. :(

for the most part, please understand that this poster does not represent the majority of christians, jews, muslims, and all other god believers
We know. But still can be fun.

Evoloution is based on sound scientific reasoning and is belevied by most, if not all of the scientific community.
Creationism or Intelligent Design is based on a 2000 year old book.

You creationists believe what you want to believe but dont try and force it on us darwinians or try to prove it by any other means than "God says so"

Come on, we all know that the Bible was just a best-selling book, penned in installments by a collective of authors called the 'Gathering Of Damned-Good-Authors' but due to an administrative mistake only GOD ever appeared on the pages, rather than GODGA.

We know. But still can be fun.

This thread for example is great fun.

For once i'm outsmarting someone!

Can anyone tell me exactly when atheism killed off Christianity? I was under the impression it was still going. Ah well. :(

Yep, it's still going strong so far as I can see. Of course, many Christians don't actually have a great deal of trouble reconciling their faith with modern science and aren't intimidated by it like certain people seem to be.

The fact is, us humans are jsut so good at surviving that even the shitty humans can. People at the top who are dumb are just front-men for large scale control systems. They exist because its easier to focus our feelings on an individual person than on an system.


How can so many people who beleive in darwanism be wrong?

As a liberal, and somewhat of an atheist, I think I can say that we don't look upon creationists as "evil" just "unfortunatly raised to beleive this crazy shit". Most of the attitudes held by the chritian church today are highly medieval, and are manipulative of christian scripture. Creationists are not the majority. (in canada) 12% of people feel that god either created the universe or that some higher being had something to do with it. Although I'm sure this number is much higher in places like the US or France, creationists are not a majority. Liberatarians who beleive the church and the state should be seperate do not want to be a part of yours, or of anyone else's private life.


Actually, in the USA, a majority believes that God created man in his present form.

PUBLIC BELIEFS ABOUT EVOLUTION AND CREATION (a Canadian website) (http://www.religioustolerance.org/ev_publi.htm)

1991 Poll Results:
Belief system: Creationist view /Theistic evolution/ Naturalistic Evolution
47% /40% / 9%

1997 Poll Results:
Belief system: Creationist view /Theistic evolution /Naturalistic Evolution
44% / 39% / 10%

So yes, creationists are the majority...;)

Can anyone tell me exactly when atheism killed off Christianity? I was under the impression it was still going. Ah well. :(
I find it ironic too, since Atheism existed before Catholicism did, in fact, it dates back to Ancient Greece and Ancient Rome. Despite that people have polytheistic beliefs, they didn't have infallible Gods.

And if we're going 200-odd years ago, we can blame secularism.

You are onlu outsmarting me because I am the only person who disagrees with atheism on this thread.

The majority of people asked to fill out a form.

Can anyone tell me exactly when atheism killed off Christianity? I was under the impression it was still going. Ah well. :(
Twas back in 1862...When Colombas sailed the ocene blue and....aw forget it...

Actually, in the USA, a majority believes that God created man in his present form.

PUBLIC BELIEFS ABOUT EVOLUTION AND CREATION (a Canadian website) (http://www.religioustolerance.org/ev_publi.htm)

1991 Poll Results:
Belief system: Creationist view Theistic evolution Naturalistic Evolution
47% 40% 9%

1997 Poll Results:
Belief system: Creationist view Theistic evolution Naturalistic Evolution
44% 39% 10%

So yes, creationists are the majority...;)

Aren't there any more recent results? Like from this decade?

You are onlu outsmarting me because I am the only person who disagrees with atheism on this thread.

Still waiting for your explanation and apology for the cultural genocide of the Ra-worship of Egypt.

I'm only asking you because you seem to be the only nutte... Religious person here.

You are onlu outsmarting me because I am the only person who disagrees with atheism on this thread.
No, pet, you're not. I disagree with atheism (for pretty much the same fundamental reason I disagree with theism), and I'm most definitely not the only one around here who does. Don't blame your personal failures on other people, just take responsibility and learn from your mistakes. If you would honor your God, then educate yourself that you might better move through His world and interact with His people...don't wallow in your ignorance and self-pity.

I thought that there was christian reigons.
I am 1,446th in the world for Most Devout Nations.

You are onlu outsmarting me because I am the only person who disagrees with atheism on this thread.
Wrong … on both counts

The reasoning
And you being the only one on the thread that does not believe in atheism

Wana try again?

You are onlu outsmarting me because I am the only person who disagrees with atheism on this thread.

How can so many of us atheists be wrong?

You are onlu outsmarting me because I am the only person who disagrees with atheism on this thread.
Sooo, just because no one else declared whether or not they were of that view point, automatically makes them Atheist? Riiiiight...:rolleyes:

Come on, we all know that the Bible was just a best-selling book, penned in installments by a collective of authors called the 'Gathering Of Damned-Good-Authors' but due to an administrative mistake only GOD ever appeared on the pages, rather than GODGA.
Must have been the Internet Explorer thing that never prints the entire page.

Must have been the Internet Explorer thing that never prints the entire page.

Yeah. Should've got Firefox.

Must have been the Internet Explorer thing that never prints the entire page.
lol, 2000 years and they still haven't fixed it.

And Lo! For the worthy there appeared Firefox
And the worthy were saved.

It got lost in the editing.

Just because you do not believe in my ideas does not mean you have to change them I am just telling you what I think is true and visa versa.

Evolution is based on measurements, observations and intelligent analysis to find the most likely explanation.

Creationism is based on a dream or vision (noone was actually there until the "sixth day"). Most dreams and visions, including ones given by God use symbols and are generally not interpreted literally. Remember Joseph, pharaoh and the 14 cows? The Bible doesn't even claim that the "six days" of evolution were consecutive.

Is it so hard to believe that both Darwin and the Bible are right?

Come on, we all know that the Bible was just a best-selling book, penned in installments by a collective of authors called the 'Gathering Of Damned-Good-Authors' but due to an administrative mistake only GOD ever appeared on the pages, rather than GODGA.
Really? I heard that the Bible was writted by one Godfriendmanson Ogbertliftargismeister Derriscoplicontifitarmetter, but that the scribes threatened to go on strike unless they were allowed to abbreviate.

I thought that there was christian reigons.
I am 1,446th in the world for Most Devout Nations.
From my region of ALSN...

Bjaweir is ranked 1st in the region and 1,233rd in the world for Most Devout Nations.

Our leading nation is 200+ places ahead of you, and to prove your point further irrelevant, this person isn't that religious to begin with.

And just because there are Christian regions, doesn't mean that they are all flocking to this thread.

Aren't there any more recent results? Like from this decade?

CBS News Poll from Oct 23, 2005...
VIEWS ON EVOLUTION/CREATIONISM (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/22/opinion/polls/main965223.shtml)

Now
God created humans in present form
51%
Humans evolved, God guided the process
30%
Humans evolved, God did not guide process
15%

Increase in the creationist majority, but also increase in the evolution minority...:D

Just because you do not believe in my ideas does not mean you have to change them I am just telling you what I think is true and visa versa.

Just trying to enlighten you, much like you appear to be trying to do.

I thought that there was christian reigons.
I am 1,446th in the world for Most Devout Nations.

And I am 103,481st. There most likely is christian regions. But not everyone that plays NS comes on the forums.

Okay then.
I am giving up soon I can not fight all of you but soon christ will come back.

Really? I heard that the Bible was writted by one Godfriendmanson Ogbertliftargismeister Derriscoplicontifitarmetter, but that the scribes threatened to go on strike unless they were allowed to abbreviate.
We also know that Monks would re-write the Bible over and over... and we all know how much writer's cramp hurts. This leads to the possibility of errors in transcribing the scripture.

Just because you do not believe in my ideas does not mean you have to change them I am just telling you what I think is true and visa versa.
If you don't want your ideas challenged, this is not the forum for you. Go visit the Happy Christ-loving Hugglebunch Chatroom if you fancy some Christian ego-stroking.

Damn believers, science has made everything we need, when has your socalled God created something useful?

Come on, we all know that the Bible was just a best-selling book, penned in installments by a collective of authors called the 'Gathering Of Damned-Good-Authors' but due to an administrative mistake only GOD ever appeared on the pages, rather than GODGA.
Actually no one ever claimed that any bit of the bible was actually written by God and even the oldest texts we have have been transcribed and translated so many times aince the original that a lot of the original meaning must have been distorted or lost. The New Testament is even worse, with all the original Gospels about Jesus being destroyed when the Romans sacked Jerusalem and then stitched back together later. Mark (who also wrote Acts) wasnt even alive at the time of Jesus's Ministry. On top of that, it wasnt until the 4th century that they stopped editting, deleting bits from and reordering the bible. Anyone who thinks that it is good for anything more than a vague impression of what the religion was originally intended to be is deluding themselves.

If you don't want your ideas challenged, this is not the forum for you. Go visit the Happy Christ-loving Hugglebunch Chatroom if you fancy some Christian ego-stroking.

Mmmmm... Ego-stroking.

Damn believers, science has made everything we need, when has your socalled God created something useful?
When he slapped his bitch on the ass and told her to pick up the slack and raise the children after he did his 7-days worth of work. THus, we have evolution because Mother Nature has done the rest. :p

Okay then.
I am giving up soon I can not fight all of you but soon christ will come back.
Fifty cookies to the first person who creates nation "Christ In The Hizzouse" and comes to Western Mackinton's rescue.

Okay after doing some thinking I have figured out something.

If darwinisim is true then the not so smart animals/humans would be dead.
But look around you there are alot of non smart humans who are near the top of society.


Yes, that is true, but first of all, 'dumb' animals exist (such as yourself), because some times idiocy has paid off, for example, 5000 years ago, Bob, the tribe idiot, saw a tiger. He had a spear, but most hunters, even skilled hunters, died when trying to kill a tiger, but Bob attacked the tiger. He got lucky and killed it. The meat of the tiger was enough to save Bob's tribe from starvation. Because of this, his idiot sperm went into several women, most of whom gave a little idiot child. This way, the idiot gene pool spread (think about it, you're part of that gene pool - you must be related to Bob!).

You see, idiocy actually saves sometimes...

Also, why idiots at the top of society? If you thought George W. Bush actually was at the top of society because he earned it, you're wrong. Bush never made an honest dollar in his life, it was either taken from daddy (who got the money from his relatives), another person, or from a special interest group (the Saudi Royals, for example).

The only reason idiots make it to the top is because of our modern capitalistic society where any weak-willed bastard can make it to the top if his daddy was rich or had good connections.

Ruloah thanks.
See atheist we are the majority you are the minority.

Okay then.
I am giving up soon I can not fight all of you but soon christ will come back.
Jesus is coming, look busy![/oldjoke]

Okay then.
I am giving up soon I can not fight all of you but soon christ will come back.
They've been saying that for 2006 years mate.

Actually no one ever claimed that any bit of the bible was actually written by God and even the oldest texts we have have been transcribed and translated so many times aince the original that a lot of the original meaning must have been distorted or lost. The New Testament is even worse, with all the original Gospels about Jesus being destroyed when the Romans sacked Jerusalem and then stitched back together later. Mark (who also wrote Acts) wasnt even alive at the time of Jesus's Ministry. On top of that, it wasnt until the 4th century that they stopped editting, deleting bits from and reordering the bible. Anyone who thinks that it is good for anything more than a vague impression of what the religion was originally intended to be is deluding themselves.

JUST ACCEPT THE MAJESTY OF GODGA, YOU MINDLESS BARBARIAN!!!!11!11one!11

Okay then.
I am giving up soon I can not fight all of you but soon christ will come back.

You could, of course, try fighting SOME OF THEM.

Mmmmm... Ego-stroking.
Hey now, stop that! It's only CHRIST-LIKE stroking.

Damn believers, science has made everything we need, when has your socalled God created something useful?
He invented Catholic school girls. That's pretty good.

Hey now, stop that! It's only CHRIST-LIKE stroking.

:(

No fun at all. Whatever. Mmmm... Ego stroking....

They've been saying that for 2006 years mate.
And... it'll be... *checks watch* another 360 days before they've been saying that for 2007 years...

Ruloah thanks.
See atheist we are the majority you are the minority.
And yet, despite being the minority, the atheists have destroyed your faith...kind of makes me think you should shop around for a new faith. Maybe something a tad more durable. You know, a faith you can really take off-roading. And something that doesn't show the dirt.

He invented Catholic school girls. That's pretty good.

I go to a catholic school, and catholic schoolgirls are highly over-rated.

He invented Catholic school girls. That's pretty good.
Humm, but there pritty bad...and sexual.

Yeah. Should've got Firefox.

you get one cow for that
http://home.swipnet.se/mooamp/wallpapers/cow-nose.jpg

Humm, but there pritty bad...and sexual.

Nope. Just skanky.

And... it'll be... *checks watch* another 360 days before they've been saying that for 2007 years...
and 725 1/2 till it's 2008 years!

I go to a catholic school, and catholic schoolgirls are highly over-rated.

You're just saying that because you've never destroyed a Catholic schoolgirl's faith. And hymen.

Ruloah thanks.
See atheist we are the majority you are the minority.

That doesn't mean you're right. The majority of people used to think the world was flat.

Nope. Just skanky.
The ones I met where nice...very nice. Certainly they gave a lot...

You're just saying that because you've never destroyed a Catholic schoolgirl's faith. And hymen.
I've only done the 1st...

Actually no one ever claimed that any bit of the bible was actually written by God and even the oldest texts we have have been transcribed and translated so many times aince the original that a lot of the original meaning must have been distorted or lost...

The Old Testament is supposed to be 'written by God' if you will, because he supposedly told the prophets what to write. The Old Testament is relatively unchanged (although translatons change the meaning a little bit, but not enough to actually change the whole book) but you're right when it comes to the New Testament, there are many different translations, mainly due to when the Protestants tried to change things around, not that it really matters anyway, cause the whole concept of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam (and perhaps all religions, not only the three Abrahamic faiths) is bullshit anyways.

I go to a catholic school, and catholic schoolgirls are highly over-rated.
Because you go the same school. Try visiting another school. In your case maybe a Jewish school.

and 725 1/2 till it's 2008 years!
Well, now you're just being silly...

AND!! It's 1090.5 days until it's 2009 days!

I believe in the boogeyman. I have my reasons.

Thank God he stopped watching me at night. It was hard to sleep.:mp5:
http://www.indywrestlingtv.com/boogey.gif

Yeah, he's kinda weird.

I thought that there was christian reigons.
I am 1,446th in the world for Most Devout Nations.

And that means....what?:confused: That your "pretend" nation is better than other "pretend" nations? Most Devout doesn't just apply to you Fundamental Christians....it applies equally to those of other faiths as well. Or don't you believe other faiths can be devout?

So sorry to see you drank the Kool-Aid, too. :headbang:

This is some Jesussaves type shit ain't it?
Yeah, and it's pretty good. Just needs a little more of an offensive edge to it.

Looks like a lot of people here are headed for Bolgia One, for a variety of things :S

And that means....what?:confused: That your "pretend" nation is better than other "pretend" nations? Most Devout doesn't just apply to you Fundamental Christians....it applies equally to those of other faiths as well. Or don't you believe other faiths can be devout?

So sorry to see you drank the Kool-Aid, too. :headbang:
It was his last argument... he was desperate because he was losing and fast.

The Old Testament is supposed to be 'written by God' if you will, because he supposedly told the prophets what to write.
Being written by God and being written by a prophet is a completely different thing. Some of the books just make no sense whatsoever, for example the book that describes Mose's death and funeral was supposedly written by Moses himself :rolleyes: The stories contradict each other, sometimes within the same book. Read Genesis - there are two different Genesis stories. Stuff like Genesis cant have been written by prophets or eye witnesses, and can only have be written based on myth and fokelore.

The Old Testament is relatively unchanged (although translatons change the meaning a little bit, but not enough to actually change the whole book) but you're right when it comes to the New Testament, there are many different translations, mainly due to when the Protestants tried to change things around, not that it really matters anyway, cause the whole concept of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam (and perhaps all religions, not only the three Abrahamic faiths) is bullshit anyways.
Everyone changed it all around, and some of the original texts were destroyed. How you can base a religion on so little original information is beyond me.

I am depressed.
And I am tired.

Yeah, and it's pretty good. Just needs a little more of an offensive edge to it.
From the mouth of the master...

Possibly some parrot mentioning?

And that means....what?:confused: That your "pretend" nation is better than other "pretend" nations? Most Devout doesn't just apply to you Fundamental Christians....it applies equally to those of other faiths as well. Or don't you believe other faiths can be devout?

So sorry to see you drank the Kool-Aid, too. :headbang:

His nation might be really devout atheists.....

Well, now you're just being silly...

AND!! It's 1090.5 days until it's 2009 days!
And it's....1455.75 days till it's 2010. Western Mackinton, will you take a bet on what day/week/month/year Christ will return in? I'm offering odds right now...

Well, now you're just being silly...

AND!! It's 1090.5 days until it's 2009 days!

its 1090.5 days until it's 2009 days...

since when did 1090.5=2009?

oh well, since when did any of these damn topics make sense.

there should be a seperate jesus section of the forum.

If we follow the bible which states that we were all born from 2 people (Adam and Eve) wouldn't we all be retarded like the way happens when cousins nowaday's produce a baby. There is no way 10 billion people are related. No frickin way. People who bad mouth science need to be locked away on some tiny island that has no 'science'. See how 'bad' science is then.

I can not answe all your questions I am only 13.
Why do you not ask god.

You're just saying that because you've never destroyed a Catholic schoolgirl's faith. And hymen.

Now there is something I can say "AMEN!" to!

its 1090.5 days until it's 2009 days...

since when did 1090.5=2009?

oh well, since when did any of these damn topics make sense.

there should be a seperate jesus section of the forum.
Opps...

I meant to type years. But, creationism failed me because God made me write the wrong thing. I guess now I'll have to rely on evolution to make my typing skills better!:p

its 1090.5 days until it's 2009 days...

since when did 1090.5=2009?

oh well, since when did any of these damn topics make sense.

there should be a seperate jesus section of the forum.
There was, it was called FORUM 7. I was Jesus....actually Max was Jesus/god, but people thought I was Jesus. They buitlt a temple to me.

If we follow the bible which states that we were all born from 2 people (Adam and Eve) wouldn't we all be retarded like the way happens when cousins nowaday's produce a baby. There is no way 10 billion people are related. No frickin way. People who bad mouth science need to be locked away on some tiny island that has no 'science'. See how 'bad' science is then.

10 BILLION? No...

I've only done the 1st...

Interestingly, I only did the second. She was already faithless.

I am depressed.
And I am tired.

Read this, it'll cheer you up.
The Big Webpage of Bible Contradictions (http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/by_book.html)

Interestingly, I only did the second. She was already faithless.

To the Malebolge with ye!

I can not answe all your questions I am only 13.
Why do you not ask god.
Why don't I ask my invisable freind Len? he exists as much as god....

(I'm going to hell arn't I, at least it'll be warm!)

Interestingly, I only did the second. She was already faithless.

The same catholic schoolgirl perhaps?

I can not answe all your questions I am only 13.
Why do you not ask god.
And in the meanwhile you can ask Mommy about why we don't believe in creationism.

Interestingly, I only did the second. She was already faithless.
Together we'd be perfect!

Why don't I ask my invisable freind Len? he exists as much as god....

(I'm going to hell arn't I, at least it'll be warm!)

You'll probably get a stop-off at most circles. Unfortunately, the centremost circle is eternally cold. Sorry :(

EDIT: and I have no desire to break the hymen of a catholic schoolgirl o_o

Faith is stronger then words.
Very funny Ifreann.

They buitlt a temple to me.

Was it built from the bones and flesh of heretics or... limestone?

And in the meanwhile you can ask Mommy about why we don't believe in creationism.
i did that...she said thats as much chance of Creationism actually happening as there is of Luntic Golfballs beocming sane!

i did that...she said thats as much chance of Creationism actually happening as there is of Luntic Golfballs beocming sane!

Hehehe.

Jesus already came back. He tried appearing to the masses four years ago (I'm serious, exactly four, everyone should commemorate his failure on this date every year) but he was rusty on this whole descending from the heavens trick and ended up somewhere in the atlantic ocean. He doggy paddled for a while and ended up at Australia. He lives with me now, he's kind of lost touch with his father and he's only a shell of his former self. He's trying to recapture his youth by starting up a Christian R and B group called The Pious Playaz. He says he's going to bring the new age of Christ when people take him seriously as a musician

Was it built from the bones and flesh of heretics or... limestone?
It was made of bubblewrap.

Faith is stronger then words.
Very funny Ifreann.
“A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.”

Faith is stronger then words.


Not on a web forum.

To the Malebolge with ye!

Clearly, but Pouch One or Pouch Two?


The same catholic schoolgirl perhaps?

Possibly scary coincidence... but I rather think that faithless, non-virginal Catholic schoolgirls are common enough for this not to be necessarily true.

They've been saying that for 2006 years mate.

2 Peter
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

and

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

and finally

15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

so, yes, Jesus is coming, look busy! [old joke worth repeating]

Faith is stronger then words.
Very funny Ifreann.
Shall we test that then.....

Aust I will answer your question I think he might come back this yera.
But.
As it says only the lord will now.
Why do you ask me.

It was made of bubblewrap.

The big pouches of air or the tiny ones that are fun to pop?

I can not answe all your questions I am only 13.
Why do you not ask god.

Sorry mate, I'm not mormon, I can't have spectacular visions, unearth golden plates, talk to God and Jesus (of Nazareth, not Christ),= and some old Aboriginy dude.

The reason why you can't answer the questions is because there are no answers, creationalism/intelligent design is BULLSHIT!

Scientific evidence clearly goes against your Abrahamic crap, so just shut-up and stop believing in your little shit.

Oh, and Christ isn't comming anytime soon. In fact, "Christ" isn't comming at all, and he never came in the first place. "Christ" means "Messiah," so how can the Messiah come when God doesn't exist in the first place?

I can not answe all your questions I am only 13.

Then you shouldn't have made up your mind about these things. You should take your time, learn about the world, learn about yourself, and make an informed decision once you've given things some serious thought.

Why do you not ask god.
Because I'm not even remotely interested in what God might or might not have to say. As silly a child as you are, you are still far more interesting than God, Santa, Zeus, or any of the other old bearded white men who might be watching my every move from the clouds above.

Yeah, that's right Zeus, I see you peeking out from behind those celestial curtains. Pervert.

Clearly, but Pouch One or Pouch Two?



Possibly scary coincidence... but I rather think that faithless, non-virginal Catholic schoolgirls are common enough for this not to be necessarily true.

Pouch? Bolgia! BOLGIA! BOLGIA ONE! For seducers.

“A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.”
Prove it!

Okay after doing some thinking I have figured out something.

If darwinisim is true then the not so smart animals/humans would be dead.
But look around you there are alot of non smart humans who are near the top of society.
Like george bush.

So this is my take on how life ight have been created in the begining god created the earth for man and then when he was preparing the earth, animals where made by the darwinist theory of evoloution so that the less well of animlas would die.
But then when god created man he gave him and her compassion for his or hers fellow man.

How can so many people who believe in god be wrong.

Something does not have to be touched to be real.

Atheists and liberals I must say.
If you believe that all men are equal then why do you make us look evil, feel insignifacant, treat us like we or medieval and acient and why do you wnat to seperate church and state if you want to be a part off our life then actually regocnize that we are the majority.



F BUSH!!!!! PULL OUT!!!! AND NOW!!!!!!!

Because I'm not even remotely interested in what God might or might not have to say. As silly a child as you are, you are still far more interesting than God, Santa, Zeus, or any of the other old bearded white men who might be watching my every move from the clouds above.

Yeah, that's right Zeus, I see you peeking out from behind those celestial curtains. Pervert.
I see him too....

i did that...she said thats as much chance of Creationism actually happening as there is of Luntic Golfballs beocming sane!
Lunatic sane?? Is it the impending apocalypse?!

No wait, I don't see the horsemen...

Oh and proof that evolution isn't perfect:


My boyfriend:

insert "intelligent" design joke here

Me:

You're proof that evolution went wrong.


My boyfriend:

You're missing the enormity of the situation! Even god couldn't move the fries from my cup! Today is my lucky day! I'm gonna run naked into traffic and move heaven and earth with my wang!


Me:

Yes, dear... not ALL fast food works are incompetant.


My boyfriend:

The unthinkable just happened!

I went to Wendy's around the corner for a boiger, I got back to my chair and opened the bag, and GASP!

There were no fries in the bag!!!

They were all in the paper cup! Never seen that before!! That's yet another checkmark on my life's to-do list!!

Lunatic sane?? Is it the impending apocalypse?!

No wait, I don't see the horsemen...

Oh and proof that evolution isn't perfect:
WHOW!

well, IF Jesus is coming back, and you believed, you'd enter into paradise. if you didn't, well...

now, if Jesus is NOT coming back, and you believed, not thing lost. if you didn't believe, nothing lost.

you'd think you'd want to hedge your bet...

I believe in conspiracies.
God will come .

Ah jeez. It's Fcf2 I bet. He's going to start spouting all sorts of "judgement day" crap anytime soon.

This is proof that faith is stronget then anything.
How come I have not stopped talking.

I can not answe all your questions I am only 13.
Why do you not ask god.

Could you ask him for me. god and I aren't on speaking terms. What with the heresy and all.

Come on christians it is the time.
Science has destroyed you sure we have so much technology but science kills unborn babies, it kills people, sunsets are no longer amazing because science has destroyed us.

And Science has created everything good around you. I don't remember the binary coding needed to make your BIOS work being scripted in the bible. I don't remember the instructions to lay cable or DSL or internet wiring for your internet in the bible. I do not remember how to produce central heating is described in the bible.

Let us look at many major wars in History. At least 50% of them have been caused by religion; to name a few, the Jihad against America (the country you live in, by the sound of it), the Nazi's were religiously inspired to destroy Judaism, the Israel-Arab wars.

What has religion done for us? Absolutely nothing. What has science done for us? Created our world. Created civilisation. Science can prove things. Religion states them and demands that faith be inspired.

Your faith is strong. Is it stronger than the Titanium Chobham Composite used in Challenger 2 Armour? Is it stronger than the energy released from an SS-N-22 SLBM? Can it defeat a squadron of Harrier FA.2 fighter bombers? No. Your faith may be "strong" but it is not invincible. It cannot defeat what technology and science have bred.

This is proof that faith is stronget then anything.
How come I have not stopped talking.
Because your mother hasn't taught you how to shut-up and take your foot out of your mouth because she can't get over the miracle that her baby can talk. :p

well, IF Jesus is coming back, and you believed, you'd enter into paradise. if you didn't, well...

now, if Jesus is NOT coming back, and you believed, not thing lost. if you didn't believe, nothing lost.

you'd think you'd want to hedge your bet...

Actually, if you believed but he isn't coming back you miss out on gluttony, greed, and all sorts of delightful things to do with the backside.

Could you ask him for me. god and I aren't on speaking terms. What with the heresy and all.

you COULD ask Him yourself... God doesn't go non-speaking terms. its you that goes on non-speaking terms. God is ALWAYS speaking. example: do you think that this topic in the forum was simply a toy for you? Don't you think God could use this forum to speak to you?

Then you shouldn't have made up your mind about these things. You should take your time, learn about the world, learn about yourself, and make an informed decision once you've given things some serious thought.

Because I'm not even remotely interested in what God might or might not have to say. As silly a child as you are, you are still far more interesting than God, Santa, Zeus, or any of the other old bearded white men who might be watching my every move from the clouds above.

Yeah, that's right Zeus, I see you peeking out from behind those celestial curtains. Pervert.

I concur with Bottle here. Give it a few years and te hormones will start pumping and you'll end up a rebellious little teenager and may very well end up an atheist yourself! Give yourself some time to figure things out for yourself, do some some research into various points of view, do some soul-searching of your own and come, as Bottle says, to an informed decision.

You've got plenty of time ahead of you to explore your own spirituality, or lack thereof if you choose to go that route. I admire faith, but give yourself a chance here!

And Bottle, if you REALLY want a great Hellenic pervert deity, you really should check out Pan. Zeus has nothing on Pan!

I don't remember the instructions to lay cable or DSL or internet wiring for your internet in the bible.

Ahh, I wouldn't be so sure about that. I hooked up my satellite using ecclesiastes.

Actually, if you believed but he isn't coming back you miss out on gluttony, greed, and all sorts of delightful things to do with the backside.
And since the last 2006 years have been wrong, why start believing he'll come back now? Live a little.

As silly a child as you are, you are still far more interesting than God, Santa, Zeus, or any of the other old bearded white men who might be watching my every move from the clouds above.

Yeah, that's right Zeus, I see you peeking out from behind those celestial curtains. Pervert.

LOL!

Ah jeez. It's Fcf2 I bet. He's going to start spouting all sorts of "judgement day" crap anytime soon.
Who?

Actually, if you believed but he isn't coming back you miss out on gluttony, greed, and all sorts of delightful things to do with the backside.

how are all those things "delightful?" even atheists and humanist believe in the betterment of the human being. those things do NOT better us :P

you COULD ask Him yourself... God doesn't go non-speaking terms. its you that goes on non-speaking terms. God is ALWAYS speaking. example: do you think that this topic in the forum was simply a toy for you? Don't you think God could use this forum to speak to you?
No, because if He did, He'd have reported my sinnin' ass over at the mod forum before I could say, "Oh Lord I repent, oh how I *bleeping* repent!"

Ah jeez. It's Fcf2 I bet. He's going to start spouting all sorts of "judgement day" crap anytime soon.
I don't think this is Ffc2. I think it's a whole new person. IIRC Ffc2 was 14 when he began posting. This guy says he's 13.

This is proof that faith is stronget then anything.
How come I have not stopped talking.

Becaue your little hick brain is totally brainwashed.

Can you give me any REAL proff that Creationalism is true, and that the Judeo-Christian-Islamic God was the one who even started Creationalism?

Furthermore, Hindus, Pagans, Cultists, Taoists, Confucionists, et cetera also have faith, and could argue for hours on end their petty views. Faith is nothing than a nail called propaganda pounded into your skull by a hammer called religion/government.

I don't think this is Ffc2. I think it's a whole new person. IIRC Ffc2 was 14 when he began posting. This guy says he's 13.
Which makes him even more fun to tease.

how are all those things "delightful?" even atheists and humanist believe in the betterment of the human being. those things do NOT better us :P

Delightful things to do with backside are SO better for us.

how are all those things "delightful?" even atheists and humanist believe in the betterment of the human being. those things do NOT better us :P

The delightful things to do with the backside just kick ass (hehehe, pun intended). I'd rather burn in hell for 'laying with a man as a woman' because some stroppy SOB 'hates that' than give in to captain Christ and the God Squad.

Besides, so's your face.

No, because if He did, He'd have reported my sinnin' ass over at the mod forum before I could say, "Oh Lord I repent, oh how I *bleeping* repent!"
LoL

well, God is merciful. there times He uses to use the fire from heaven, and there are times He chooses to give victory to the unsaved.

Western Mackington, I Challenge You To A Debate, IM Me On My Aim Or Send Me A Personal Message (pm), And Debate Me, Damn It!

The delightful things to do with the backside just kick ass (hehehe, pun intended). I'd rather burn in hell for 'laying with a man as a woman' because some stroppy SOB 'hates that' than give in to captain Christ and the God Squad.

Besides, so's your face.

well, good for you. i like that, someone who knows what they believe in. all i can ask is, keep an open mind, like how you would want us in the "God Squad" to be ;)

LoL

well, God is merciful. there times He uses to use the fire from heaven, and there are times He chooses to give victory to the unsaved.
But how can He give victory to the unbelievers if they don't believe? He doesn't, instead, He goes for the Fire and Brimstone. That'll teach our sinnin' asses a thing or two! :p

well, good for you. i like that, someone who knows what they believe in. all i can ask is, keep an open mind, like how you would want us in the "God Squad" to be ;)

Hehehe. Hehehe. It involves lions and a huge ampitheater XD

Just kidding. If christians don't bother me I won't bother them.

Western Mackington, I Challenge You To A Debate, IM Me On My Aim Or Send Me A Personal Message (pm), And Debate Me, Damn It!
What an odd person you are.

Western Mackington, I Challenge You To A Debate, IM Me On My Aim Or Send Me A Personal Message (pm), And Debate Me, Damn It!

I CAN WRITE BIGGER. RAWR.

What an odd person you are.

The only way we will change this little kid's mind is in a personal debate 101.

I CAN WRITE BIGGER. RAWR.
Wah... my poor eyes are bleeeeeeeeeeeeeeedin'! Oh Lord, I can't see no more! I repent! Give me my vision back! :D :p

Either God wants to abolish evil, and cannot; or he can, but does not want to. ... If he wants to, but cannot, he is impotent. If he can, but does not want to, he is wicked. ... If, as they say, God can abolish evil, and God really wants to do it, why is there evil in the world?

PWNT

I CAN WRITE BIGGER. RAWR.

NO YOU CAN'T!!!

"Either God wants to abolish evil, and cannot; or he can, but does not want to. ... If he wants to, but cannot, he is impotent. If he can, but does not want to, he is wicked. ... If, as they say, God can abolish evil, and God really wants to do it, why is there evil in the world?" (Epicurus)
To stick it to those who keep going to him to fix EVERY little problem.

To stick it to those who keep going to him to fix EVERY little problem.

XD

Becaue your little hick brain is totally brainwashed.

Can you give me any REAL proff that Creationalism is true, and that the Judeo-Christian-Islamic God was the one who even started Creationalism?

Furthermore, Hindus, Pagans, Cultists, Taoists, Confucionists, et cetera also have faith, and could argue for hours on end their petty views. Faith is nothing than a nail called propaganda pounded into your skull by a hammer called religion/government.

funny.. in Christianity, faith is not simply just believing. it is believing in something because there is EVIDENCE. the thing is, that thing we believe is not yet there. but there is EVIDENCE for it.

now here is the tricky part... you can't have faith without a relationship with Jesus Christ. you can't believe something some guy said over 2000 years ago if you don't have any personal experience with Him.

Christians believe that Jesus IS ALIVE TODAY. If you look at the sum of your existence, and look at the experiences in your life that turned you away from Christ, you'll also see all the experiences in your life that God tried to use to bring you to Him.

I CAN WRITE BIGGER. RAWR.

BEHOLD! BIG AND RED, JUST LIKE CHINA!

Darwinism does not mean "survival of the fittest" in that context, but more survival of the most adaptable.

NO YOU CAN'T!!!

Sure I can, and I can do it in a modest amount so as not to bring murder upon those with smaller screens.

But how can He give victory to the unbelievers if they don't believe? He doesn't, instead, He goes for the Fire and Brimstone. That'll teach our sinnin' asses a thing or two! :p

he does... you know why? because there are ALOT of times that believers act 1000X worse than unbelievers. and He has to teach those unbelievers a lesson too ;)

BEHOLD! BIG AND RED, JUST LIKE CHINA!

NOOB.

Darwinism does not mean "survival of the fittest" in that context, but more survival of the most adaptable.
And rather ironic, since the religious don't usually adapt readily. They're just forced to.

I haven't read this entire thread because my stomach can only take so much. Let me make one point which is seldom made: If the Theory of Evolution is entirely wrong that would add no confirmation to any other theory including the Bible. They could both be wrong.

Second point. Evolution has so much evidence in its favor that it simply cannot be wrong in its entirety. That does not mean it is all correct or that there is nothing left to question. That is not the way science operates. A theory is an explanation which combines a number of facts usefully and which suggests others which can be disproved. A scientific theory is valued for its "fruitfulness"--which means the generation of further research questions. So the fact that the Theory of Evolution leaves many questions unanswered is one of its major strengths.

The last century has seen a host of studies which test the historical accuracy of the Bible: archaeology, history, textual studies, etc. The ones done by serious scholars give little comfort to the believer. If you avoid the mindless nonsense put of those with phoney "doctorates" from Redneck Bible College you can learn a lot from books.

I haven't read this entire thread because my stomach can only take so much. Let me make one point which is seldom made: If the Theory of Evolution is entirely wrong that would add no confirmation to any other theory including the Bible. They could both be wrong.

Second point. Evolution has so much evidence in its favor that it simply cannot be wrong in its entirety. That does not mean it is all correct or that there is nothing left to question. That is not the way science operates. A theory is an explanation which combines a number of facts usefully and which suggests others which can be disproved. A scientific theory is valued for its "fruitfulness"--which means the generation of further research questions. So the fact that the Theory of Evolution leaves many questions unanswered is one of its major strengths.

The last century has seen a host of studies which test the historical accuracy of the Bible: archaeology, history, textual studies, etc. The ones done by serious scholars give little comfort to the believer. If you avoid the mindless nonsense put of those with phoney "doctorates" from Redneck Bible College you can learn a lot from books.

I haven't read this entire thread because my stomach can only take so much. Let me make one point which is seldom made: If the Theory of Evolution is entirely wrong that would add no confirmation to any other theory including the Bible. They could both be wrong.

Second point. Evolution has so much evidence in its favor that it simply cannot be wrong in its entirety. That does not mean it is all correct or that there is nothing left to question. That is not the way science operates. A theory is an explanation which combines a number of facts usefully and which suggests others which can be disproved. A scientific theory is valued for its "fruitfulness"--which means the generation of further research questions. So the fact that the Theory of Evolution leaves many questions unanswered is one of its major strengths.

The last century has seen a host of studies which test the historical accuracy of the Bible: archaeology, history, textual studies, etc. The ones done by serious scholars give little comfort to the believer. If you avoid the mindless nonsense of those with phoney "doctorates" from Redneck Bible College you can learn a lot from books.

I haven't read this entire thread because my stomach can only take so much. Let me make one point which is seldom made: If the Theory of Evolution is entirely wrong that would add no confirmation to any other theory including the Bible. They could both be wrong.

Second point. Evolution has so much evidence in its favor that it simply cannot be wrong in its entirety. That does not mean it is all correct or that there is nothing left to question. That is not the way science operates. A theory is an explanation which combines a number of facts usefully and which suggests others which can be disproved. A scientific theory is valued for its "fruitfulness"--which means the generation of further research questions. So the fact that the Theory of Evolution leaves many questions unanswered is one of its major strengths.

The last century has seen a host of studies which test the historical accuracy of the Bible: archaeology, history, textual studies, etc. The ones done by serious scholars give little comfort to the believer. If you avoid the mindless nonsense of those with phoney "doctorates" from Redneck Bible College you can learn a lot from books.

funny.. in Christianity, faith is not simply just believing. it is believing in something because there is EVIDENCE. the thing is, that thing we believe is not yet there. but there is EVIDENCE for it.

now here is the tricky part... you can't have faith without a relationship with Jesus Christ. you can't believe something some guy said over 2000 years ago if you don't have any personal experience with Him.

Christians believe that Jesus IS ALIVE TODAY. If you look at the sum of your existence, and look at the experiences in your life that turned you away from Christ, you'll also see all the experiences in your life that God tried to use to bring you to Him.

Grow up, most Atheists have had a "personal relationship" with 'Christ' but they realized what a load of BS it really is. Oh, and no, Christians don't believe that Jesus "is alive today," except for the few minority Protestants (majority makes up Roman Catholic and various Orthodox churches who don't believe in this new age crap).

I've had a "personal relationship" with your God at one time, until I grew up to understand logic and reason. If God and Satan exist, I would align myself with Satan, the first Revolutionary, who uses logic, reason, and intelligence against the punitive little twap who is Yahweh to some, Jehova to others, and Allah to yet other others (lol, sounds funny, 'other others').

This is my little present to all the xtians on this site:
HAIL LUCIFER!

God is not possible. Omnipotence isn't possible. Observe.

Can an omnipotent being create a stone it cannot lift?

1. The being can either create a stone which it cannot lift, or it cannot create a stone which it cannot lift.
2. If the being can create a stone which it cannot lift, then it is not omnipotent.
3. If the being cannot create a stone which it cannot lift, then it is not omnipotent.

Athiests do you not feel sad for destroyin 200 yeras of christian faith.
Do you not feel upset of what you have done.

Well, Christianity has certainly produced some great things. Beautiful architecture, the collected works of Bach, Händel, and so on (that are vastly superior to the anti-Christian themed music of Marilyn Manson or Black Sabbath).

However, that doesn't change the fact that Christianity has done a lot of bad. It has gotten millions killed for truly stupid reasons. It has raised submission, ignorance, and exclusivism to the status of holy virtues. It has brought forth a deluge of stupid laws and social mores against consensual and enjoyable activities.

There is no reason that I'm aware of that we can't have great architecture or music without Christianity. The relatively low quality of Black Sabbath or Marilyn Manson stems from their attempts to cash in on coolness, not their religious values, and I doubt Bach was only a good composer because he was Christian.

:rolleyes:
I think that quite nicely sums this topic up.

What truly terrifies me personally is how God is described.
God is omnipotent, omnipresent and all good. By such logic, the wold we live in is "The best of all worlds." I have a very very hard time swollowing that.

I've had a "personal relationship" with your God at one time, until I grew up to understand logic and reason. If God and Satan exist, I would align myself with Satan, the first Revolutionary, who uses logic, reason, and intelligence against the punitive little twap who is Yahweh to some, Jehova to others, and Allah to yet other others (lol, sounds funny, 'other others').
How odd... I used to have the very same relationship, but then I went through the same maturity process. Isn't it funny? :D

I haven't read this entire thread because my stomach can only take so much. Let me make one point which is seldom made: If the Theory of Evolution is entirely wrong that would add no confirmation to any other theory including the Bible. They could both be wrong.

Second point. Evolution has so much evidence in its favor that it simply cannot be wrong in its entirety. That does not mean it is all correct or that there is nothing left to question. That is not the way science operates. A theory is an explanation which combines a number of facts usefully and which suggests others which can be disproved. A scientific theory is valued for its "fruitfulness"--which means the generation of further research questions. So the fact that the Theory of Evolution leaves many questions unanswered is one of its major strengths.

The last century has seen a host of studies which test the historical accuracy of the Bible: archaeology, history, textual studies, etc. The ones done by serious scholars give little comfort to the believer. If you avoid the mindless nonsense put of those with phoney "doctorates" from Redneck Bible College you can learn a lot from books.

interesting. so... you're saying that you want to put things that MIGHT be true as a curriculum in schools. why not the idea of creationism? it MIGHT be true. there are alot of useful facts that can be disproved. would it help if we removed the word "God" from the curriculum? because i'm pretty sure THAT'S the real issue.

and, for all your "serious" scholars, this century proved them to be nothing more than glory hounds.

Halaj, was that a triple or quadrouple post? *sighs* how sad...

Anyways, you do not give any reliable evidence, logic, reason, et cetera supporting your theory. Once again, xtians make fools of themselves. Give me something smart, logical, reasonable (I know, these words are foreign to you), and then I will properly debate you.

Xtians? Give them some respect. The word's Christian.

God is not possible. Omnipotence isn't possible. Observe.

Can an omnipotent being create a stone it cannot lift?

1. The being can either create a stone which it cannot lift, or it cannot create a stone which it cannot lift.
2. If the being can create a stone which it cannot lift, then it is not omnipotent.
3. If the being cannot create a stone which it cannot lift, then it is not omnipotent.

why can't it be both? a stone that he cannot lift, but can be lifted? what if... say... he created a stone that cannot be lifted because of his nature. but he could because of his power. wouldn't that meet the qualifications for that unliftable liftable stone?

How odd... I used to have the very same relationship, but then I went through the same maturity process. Isn't it funny? :D

Hmmm.... Quite amazing if you ask me...

:p

why can't it be both? a stone that he cannot lift, but can be lifted? what if... say... he created a stone that cannot be lifted because of his nature. but he could because of his power. wouldn't that meet the qualifications for that unliftable liftable stone?

No. If he cannot lift it, it means he is not all-powerful, because if he was he could lift the stone. Don't think you can just settle that paradox :D

interesting. so... you're saying that you want to put things that MIGHT be true as a curriculum in schools. why not the idea of creationism? it MIGHT be true. there are alot of useful facts that can be disproved. would it help if we removed the word "God" from the curriculum? because i'm pretty sure THAT'S the real issue.

and, for all your "serious" scholars, this century proved them to be nothing more than glory hounds.
What actual evidence for "creationism" is there?
Which "serious"scholars have been shown as "glory hounds"? Are they all of them?

Sorry. It certainly wasn't worth 4 repititions. Don't know what happened.

This is proof that faith is stronget then anything.
And you think that is a GOOD thing? Darling, your faith should never be stronger than your own reason, lest faith overpower the one quality that distinguishes consciousness from psychosis.

I know the world is scary and confusing, particularly when you are 13, but the worst possible thing you can do is throw up your hands and resort to blind faith. Confronting reality is frightening at first, but the longer you wait to do it the harder it will get. If you allow yourself to start huddling away from reality, then you'll end up missing out on your entire life because you are so busy trying to avoid anything that might challenge the preconceptions you picked out when you were 13 years old.


How come I have not stopped talking.
I'd like to think it's because part of you wants something more from your life. Perhaps you are just too shy to ask the questions that are on your mind, or you are not yet ready to deal with your own skepticism and curiosity.

I do tend to joke around and play rough some times, but if you're at all interested in moving beyond the realm of fairy tales then I would be delighted to help show you some of the wonders you've been missing out on...the world you live in is an amazing place, far more amazing than any stories about magic and fairies.

Yup, Bottle's right. There is a lot of sex just lying around, much better than fairy stories XD

This thread lasted so much longer than I thought it would.

Haha bottle, some of the wonderful things hes been missing out on? You mean promiscuous(sp?) sex while experimenting with mind altering drugs and listening to phsycadelic (sp) music?

:p

And you think that is a GOOD thing? Darling, your faith should never be stronger than your own reason, lest faith overpower the one quality that distinguishes consciousness from psychosis.

I know the world is scary and confusing, particularly when you are 13, but the worst possible thing you can do is throw up your hands and resort to blind faith. Confronting reality is frightening at first, but the longer you wait to do it the harder it will get. If you allow yourself to start huddling away from reality, then you'll end up missing out on your entire life because you are so busy trying to avoid anything that might challenge the preconceptions you picked out when you were 13 years old.


I'd like to think it's because part of you wants something more from your life. Perhaps you are just too shy to ask the questions that are on your mind, or you are not yet ready to deal with your own skepticism and curiosity.

I do tend to joke around and play rough some times, but if you're at all interested in moving beyond the realm of fairy tales then I would be delighted to help show you some of the wonders you've been missing out on...the world you live in is an amazing place, far more amazing than any stories about magic and fairies.

Convert 'em while they're young, eh Bottle? Cradle-robber! :p