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(Assuming God is omnipotent and he exists, anyone who disagrees with the above then debate it on another thread)

Could God, being omnipotent, create a hot dog that was so big even he couldn't eat it all?

My own thoughts are yes. To be powerful enough to exceed his own power, he would be so powerful he would be able to do it.

one train of thought thinks to be omnipotent he'd have to be able to overrule any law or power in the universe, including his own

the other school of thought thinks he'd just get really, really full and give up... so yes on both counts :p

(Assuming God is omnipotent and he exists, anyone who disagrees with the above then debate it on another thread)

Could God, being omnipotent, create a hot dog that was so big even he couldn't eat it all?

My own thoughts are yes. To be powerful enough to exceed his own power, he would be so powerful he would be able to do it.
Theoretically its a toroid loop like the playing field on asteroids; you go off one edge and appear on the other, so I can agree with that.

Unless he doesn't like hot dogs, of course.

Eh

The common could God than screw himself question. Could God create a rock so big he could't lift it etc.

I don't think the could could God screw himself question is a proper rational way of looking at his supposed all powerfulness.

(Assuming God is omnipotent and he exists, anyone who disagrees with the above then debate it on another thread)

Could God, being omnipotent, create a hot dog that was so big even he couldn't eat it all?

My own thoughts are yes. To be powerful enough to exceed his own power, he would be so powerful he would be able to do it.


You realize, of course, that if God could indeed microwave a hot dog so hot that he couldnt eat it, he would prove himself to be impotent, not omnipotent.

There would be something that he could not do, that being eat the hot dog.

God should have the power to limit his powers so he is no longer omnipotent and can't eat any hotdogs. While still being able to make hotdogs.

The simple answer (in my view) is that anything that is omnipotent can do anything, even exceed his own power.

God can't exceed his power because his power is infinite. If he had finite power he wouldn't be supreme.

The correct answer is that an omnipotent being would not be restrained by the human understanding of logic. He could indeed microwave a hot dog so hot that even he couldn't eat it, and then he would proceed to eat it.

(Assuming God is omnipotent and he exists, anyone who disagrees with the above then debate it on another thread)

Could God, being omnipotent, create a hot dog that was so big even he couldn't eat it all?

My own thoughts are yes. To be powerful enough to exceed his own power, he would be so powerful he would be able to do it.
Depends on what you mean by 'power'. I have the power to direct my own actions; is that the same as the power in my muscles that moves them? No.

The correct answer is that an omnipotent being would not be restrained by the human understanding of logic. He could indeed microwave a hot dog so hot that even he couldn't eat it, and then he would proceed to eat it.
*agrees*

It annoys me people try to tell you that logic disproves God. I don't beleive in God but I understand that if God existed there is no reason God would have to obey our puny mortal laws of logic. Some people think that is a cop out. Some people are idiots.

(Assuming God is omnipotent and he exists, anyone who disagrees with the above then debate it on another thread)

Could God, being omnipotent, create a hot dog that was so big even he couldn't eat it all?

My own thoughts are yes. To be powerful enough to exceed his own power, he would be so powerful he would be able to do it.
Of course he could create it. And then he could eat the hot dog that he couldn't eat. Being omnipotent means you don't have to make sense (Aquinas notwithstanding).

:p

The correct answer is that an omnipotent being would not be restrained by the human understanding of logic. He could indeed microwave a hot dog so hot that even he couldn't eat it, and then he would proceed to eat it.

I'd have to disagree with you here. However strong a man is he could never lift himself up in the air because that would contradict the nature of his power (using himself as a lever to lift himself) and so it doesn't work. If God created an undoable task then this would contradict the nature of his power (omnipotence) and so he couldn't do it.

I'd have to disagree with you here. However strong a man is he could never lift himself up in the air because that would contradict the nature of his power (using himself as a lever to lift himself) and so it doesn't work. If God created an undoable task then this would contradict the nature of his power (omnipotence) and so he couldn't do it.

God could create an undoable task and then do it, because omnipotence transcends the normal rules of logic. If he were restrained by laws of logic like proposed in this thread, then he wouldn't be omnipotent, because he wouldn't have the power to defy logic.

It actually highlights the impossibility of omnipotence as it is literally defined - all powerful.

If God can create the hotdog he can't eat, then he's not all powerful.
If God can't create the hotdog he can't eat, then he's not all powerful.

Therefore, God cannot be all powerful.

It actually highlights the impossibility of omnipotence as it is literally defined - all powerful.

If God can create the hotdog he can't eat, then he's not all powerful.
If God can't create the hotdog he can't eat, then he's not all powerful.

Therefore, God cannot be all powerful.
You have proof God obeys logic?

oddly enough, god is not limited by the sophomoric musings of ....well...a highschool sophomore.

(Assuming God is omnipotent and he exists, anyone who disagrees with the above then debate it on another thread)

Could God, being omnipotent, create a hot dog that was so big even he couldn't eat it all?

My own thoughts are yes. To be powerful enough to exceed his own power, he would be so powerful he would be able to do it. My thoughts: you can't apply words and concepts which are by their nature, limited, to an unlimited being. It simply can't be done. You end up thinking like this (http://www.coolopticalillusions.com/optical_illusions_pictures_3/images/impossibleshape.gif).

You have proof God obeys logic?

In this universe, that proof above is true. If God is a part of this universe he must obey it.

If God can simply rise above any logical arguement than there is no point in Theology, Divinity or even Organized Religion, because they are all based on logical arguments about the divine.

EDIT - Scratch that. Omnipotence is in and of itself a logical construction. If God is ascribed with that, then I can operate logical rules upon him safely. If we're saying that we cannot apply logic to God, then we cannot reliably say he is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, omnibenevolent or omni-whatever, as they are all human logical constructions.

oddly enough, god is not limited by the sophomoric musings of ....well...a highschool sophomore.

I sincerely hope it is not to me that you refer.