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Seriously, I can't believe no one's ever talked about this.

How did you first learn about sex and when?

For me, it was back early on in the 3rd grade. At first, a couple kids in my class knew about it. And then it spread faster than a rumor.

I always wondered why those two kids always cracked up whenever we sang "When Johnny comes marching home again." ("And we'll all feel gay when...") I'm sure it's related somehow, someway.

'Bout 3rd-4th grade I got fed up with hearing conflicting stuff and asked my older brother.

At about 5th grade when my parents gave me the "talk."

I..................Honestly................don't ..........................Remember

Around four. Complicated reasons.

I was in first grade, six or seven...my friend and I argued about our knowledge (or lack thereof) and I asked my parents about some things, and got "the talk"

I must have been around 6 years old. We were at my aunt and uncle's and there was this picture book my cousins had. I read everything I could get my hands on at the time (even tried the phone book once), so I read it. It was all very nicely expleined and rather funny, too.

My mom then tried to give some version of "the talk" when I was around 12, by placing the worst book on the subject she could possibly have found on my bed one day and leaving the room again.
The book was published sometime in the 60s, no pictures, no diagrams, just text. About 10 pages about how it's not really the stork bringing the little babies and they don't grow in the cabbage patch either, and about 1 paragraph on "how it's done". No mention of contraception or STDs either (hell, they even were in that kiddies book), but well, that's my mom. She even blushed when she put the book down on the bed *lol

My mom then tried to give some version of "the talk" when I was around 12, by placing the worst book on the subject she could possibly have found on my bed one day and leaving the room again.
The book was published sometime in the 60s, no pictures, no diagrams, just text. About 10 pages about how it's not really the stork bringing the little babies and they don't grow in the cabbage patch either, and about 1 paragraph on "how it's done". No mention of contraception or STDs either (hell, they even were in that kiddies book), but well, that's my mom. She even blushed when she put the book down on the bed *lol

:eek: I suddenly feel very thankful...

13+.. sure, I had a vague notion before then, from movies mostly... but didn't really understand why or how people did that kind of thing until highschool I'd guess.. never cared, still don't care, etc.

Bow chica wow wow


With your mother.

Bow chica wow wow


With your mother.


I suppose someone has too.

:eek: I suddenly feel very thankful...

*lol

Naw, she's nice enough. Just terribly old-fashioned and Catholic.

A friend of mine and I often speculated on how she ended up with 3 kids...

"Unbeleckte Empfaengniss" we called it. Sorry, I can't translate that pun.

5 or 6 mum handed me a few books on the subject. I guess she figured I was raeding anyway, may as well get it all out of the way. One of the books was "What's happening to me?" a puberty guide for teenages, so I was well prepared 6 years later when it started.

Seriously, I can't believe no one's ever talked about this.

How did you first learn about sex and when?

For me, it was back early on in the 3rd grade. At first, a couple kids in my class knew about it. And then it spread faster than a rumor.

I always wondered why those two kids always cracked up whenever we sang "When Johnny comes marching home again." ("And we'll all feel gay when...") I'm sure it's related somehow, someway.
You said "found out about" and "when" ... mmkay, like many MANY others here, i learned at age 5, at the zoo. I'm not saying it made me an expert, indeed it confused me a bit, but that all kinda worked out later on. A neighbor kid tried explaining it to me, a kid named Chris, since he said he'd seen his parents trying something similar. They walked in, of course, so we never got around to some of the finer points (we were still stuck on the tire swing issue), and i remained slightly sexually maladjusted until i was technically statuatorily-raped by my dad's friend's daughter in their place on the lake when i was 12 years old. It sure wasn't very easy trying to apply what i learned from the zoo, seeing as how a whole 7 years have passed, and my priorities had since just slightly shifted. I of course went away even more confused than when i started but at least with a cool anecdote to damn subtly under my breath after a few snifters of cognac.





Note: Only part of the above post was a lie for continuity, the rest wasn't. Care to guess what's what?

Someone told me what it was when I was about 12, and I found it impossible to believe. I found out they were right after I had sex. Too bad sex education doesn't exactly explain what it is. Only talks about sperm and eggs and how the baby grows, etc. Never that the man puts his penis inside the woman's vagina.

*lol

Naw, she's nice enough. Just terribly old-fashioned and Catholic.

^_^ Good thing.. * has a vague picture of a nun with a ruler & shudders *
I was knockin the literature though, no mention of STDs? No diagrams? Jeesh..



A friend of mine and I often speculated on how she ended up with 3 kids...

Well, if you repress anger, doesn't it make the next lash-out worse? :p

Never that the man puts his penis inside the woman's vagina.
That can be an uncomfortable issue to come up without proper preparation.

EDIT: Kind of like the back of a Volkswagen.

I was seven or eight, working on the car with my dad. He asked me to hand him a female plug. I asked him why it was called a female plug. He sighed, said he was afraid I was going to ask that, then explained. Poorly. But I knew...

And then took my crapass understanding and terrified and grossed out my fellow classmates...

EDIT: Kind of like the back of a Volkswagen.
That was a terrible day...:(

I forgot to mention...




HOTDOGS. BUNS. NO CONDIMENTS. YOU SICK FREAK.

Three or so. No idea how I learned. Someone I knew in highschool said their dad put a porn tape in, said "here, watch this", and walked out.

I don't remember when I learned about it really. It sorta feels like I've always known. I started reading Stephen King books when I was 7, but there's really not that much sex in his books so I probably didn't pick it up there. I don't remember my life at 4 or 5 years...

I do remember being sat down by my father when I was like 13 years old and him giving the worst 'talk' in the history of the world. This was in the late-80s early-90s period where people were still massively freaked about STD's and teen pregnancy and stuff cause it was still 'new'. So he showed me a newspaper clipping of a story of a girl in Texas that was found with an airplane wrench (like 4 feet long) hammered up all the way inside her so you couldn't see it anymore. He was all about 'watch out for the predaters' and abstinance and junk like that. At 13, all that happened was I was grossed out and started thinking that my dad had some issues revolving around sex. I sat quietly and listened till he was done, then left and went back to life.

Well. I learned the basics of sex when I was about six... But I never learned the specifics till I managed to bypass my "AOL parental controls" (<Teh Suckage) at age 11...

Someone told me what it was when I was about 12, and I found it impossible to believe. I found out they were right after I had sex. Too bad sex education doesn't exactly explain what it is. Only talks about sperm and eggs and how the baby grows, etc. Never that the man puts his penis inside the woman's vagina.
I don't know two of the books I had show a cut-setion of that exact event. I'd say you unfortunately just had a particularly bad source.

I don't know two of the books I had show a cut-setion of that exact event. I'd say you unfortunately just had a particularly bad source.

No way, really! It had a cross section of a vagina and a penis together? Amazing! What book was that?

I learned about it when I was around 6. This girl, Shantilly <sp?> and I went to a foxhole to rub uglies. It wasn't long before I figured tab A went into slot B. Unfortunately it was then about 17 years until I had a chance to try the whole thing again.

alone.....when i am 13....i woke up and was wet...;)

Three or so. No idea how I learned. Someone I knew in highschool said their dad put a porn tape in, said "here, watch this", and walked out.

That's almost as good parenting as my mom's... :rolleyes:

alone.....when i am 13....i woke up and was wet...;)
...with Rodney Dangerfield's bulgy eyes and torso lightly brushing against your back, breathing into your ear .... and a miniscule droplet of sweat and man-essence lightly dewing the nape of your neck
;)

That was a terrible day...:(
The whole day?
:eek:

...with Rodney Dangerfield's bulgy eyes and torso lightly brushing against your back, breathing into your ear ....
;)

Who's Rodney Dangerfield?

No way, really! It had a cross section of a vagina and a penis together? Amazing! What book was that?
I assume yoiu are being sarcastic, in which case you might want to note the post I was repling too.

But incase you aren't: "Where do babies come from?" it had to have been published before 1985 (that's when I read it.) I can't help you more then that.

Who's Rodney Dangerfield?
I need to know THAT....

OMG...this is a pervers sexual fantasy....I wonder,that I like women now...

http://www.jim.aquino.com/images/simpsons-rodney.jpg

Who's Rodney Dangerfield?
Are you kidding? :eek:
"I tell ya, I get no respect. I get no respect AT ALL."
He was in Back To School. That's worth watching, for if nothing else for the "Triple-Lindy".

I assume yoiu are being sarcastic, in which case you might want to note the post I was repling too.

But incase you aren't: "Where do babies come from?" it had to have been published before 1985 (that's when I read it.) I can't help you more then that.
that is freaking tight
not sarcastic

There was no real defining moment when I found out that 'the man sticks it in the women and gets them pregnant', I would have pieced it together somehow when I was about 7 or 8.

Too bad sex education doesn't exactly explain what it is. Only talks about sperm and eggs and how the baby grows, etc. Never that the man puts his penis inside the woman's vagina.Odd.. Our sex education discussed at lengths all the places a man may put his penis. Well, not all, they skipped animals and inflatables.
The stupid thing is it was supposed to be about relationships, and all they talked about was sex; yeah, great message to give kids that.

I don't remember, really.
I can't remember what I was like not to be literate.
I can't remember when (or if at all) my parents told me that there's no such thing like a "Christkind" (pendant of Santa Claus).
I can't remember not knowing where babies come from and I think I never had something like "the talk" with my parents.

Either I have a very bad memory, or I really knew all those things, figured them out by myself. :confused:

about 6 or 7... apparently i learned a whole load off a friend, and then proceeded to ask my parents all manner of in-depth (and really quite accurate, hehe) questions about it... which of course got us both (him especially) into lots of trouble :p

I believe I was 12 and watching this video of how babies were formed inside a woman, and I caught my mother and asked her how it was done.

She then gave me the talk, and all through it, I was giggling involuntarily. It seemed too ridiculous to be true...

Then... I discovered a porn video... and I realized it was all true. I swore to myself that I would NEVER watch that kind of stuff, never get married, and never have kids...

I'm still sticking by my third vow. :p

I had the full blown deal with my older sister. Although she didn't give it a name.

haha just remembered my mate showing us - a group awe awestruck (if slightly horrified) 10 year olds - a porn video he found (his dad's presumably) at his birthday party that year.... lol that was weird (but quite possibly the first time i was ever turned on.. hmm)

12 yrs at boarding all lads would talk about it and stuff. But I was a virgin until I was 29

I should add that while the male/female plug talk was the first indication, I didn't recieve verification until my first discovery of 'field porn,' that porn that for some reason you seemed to be able to find between the ages of 12-14 scattered in fields.

I had the full blown deal with my older sister. Although she didn't give it a name.

Ohh...kay then.:confused: :(

I don't remember when I learned. Somewhere between 8 and 10, I guess.

Seriously, I can't believe no one's ever talked about this.

How did you first learn about sex and when?

For me, it was back early on in the 3rd grade. At first, a couple kids in my class knew about it. And then it spread faster than a rumor.

I always wondered why those two kids always cracked up whenever we sang "When Johnny comes marching home again." ("And we'll all feel gay when...") I'm sure it's related somehow, someway.


What is sex?!!

I had the full blown deal with my older sister. Although she didn't give it a name. is that not insest ?

is that not insest ?

no...its a way to know your family better

no...its a way to know your family better
that is totally disgusting :eek:

is that not insest ?

Fun for all the family!! Gives a whole new meaning to the words "board game"!!

Fun for all the family!! Gives a whole new meaning to the words "board game"!!
:gundge: disgusting I say

:gundge: disgusting I say

and what is about having sex with yourself ?
even disgusting?
Tell us boy !!!

;)

I should add that while the male/female plug talk was the first indication, I didn't recieve verification until my first discovery of 'field porn,' that porn that for some reason you seemed to be able to find between the ages of 12-14 scattered in fields.
hmm yeah... what happened to that stuff :confused:

:gundge: disgusting I say

but convenient!

and what is about having sex with yourself ?
even disgusting?
Tell us boy !!!

;) I am not a boy thank I am a 37 year old male man......... and nothing wrong with masterbation

hmm yeah... what happened to that stuff :confused:

it was all found, maybe?

hmm yeah... what happened to that stuff :confused:
I think that it's only spread out by the porn fairy for boys and girls in the throws of puberty. It's the only explination I can come up with.

Incidently, how long would it take for a nation called "Porn Fairy" to be deleted?

I am not a boy thank I am a 37 year old male man......... and nothing wrong with masterbation

ok sorry....

hmm yeah... what happened to that stuff :confused:


I found some in '04 when we were filming a music video on a small park that is disapearing for an inner city bypass.

ok sorry.... and proud to be a virgin until I was 28, but did french kiss girls and feel their breasts and was played with by females

but i am not good estimating someone's age .....

but i am not good estimating someone's age .....
how old did you think I was out of interest?

and proud to be a virgin until I was 28, but did french kiss girls and feel their breasts and was played with by females

fine career ..what do you need more????;)

fine career ..what do you need more????;) I am married thank you ;)

how old did you think I was out of interest?

I be better quit ;) but very much younger !!!

3rd grade, when my school bus passed by two people having sex in a car allowing about a dozen horny 5th graders a show and a story to tell the rest of us. The entire bus was soon filled with yells of "They're having sex!" and extreme laughter, despite the fact that only 1/4 of us knew what it was at the time.

I be better quit ;) but very much younger !!!
go on tell me

is that not insest ?

Well she is my half sister.

And I didn't break cherry. I think it was just cuase I was to small.

But I think incest would discribe it.

It wasn't like we where going to reproduce though.

What's wrong with incest less your inbreeding?

go on tell me

15 or 16....

Well she is my half sister.

And I didn't break cherry. I think it was just cuase I was to small.

But I think incest would discribe it.

It wasn't like we where going to reproduce though.

What's wrong with incest less your inbreeding? alot wrong with it goodbye

15 or 16.... 18 / 19 out ;)

I don't even remember when I first learned about sex... but I'd definitely say before I was five. Has anyone ever heard of the movie 'Where Do I Come From?' or the picture book by the same name? That was how I learned.

Well she is my half sister.

And I didn't break cherry. I think it was just cuase I was to small.

But I think incest would discribe it.

It wasn't like we where going to reproduce though.

What's wrong with incest less your inbreeding?

Nothing at all, imho ;)
Just an immense social taboo...

Nothing at all, imho ;)
Just an immense social taboo... not to mention it is against the law

What's wrong with incest less your inbreeding?

Good for you! you freak

Good for you! you freak
it is against the law for a start

not to mention it is against the law

So are plenty of things I did and I do... :rolleyes:

it is against the law for a start

The law is an ass;)

So, that's your entire problem with it? You don't agree with enacting social change by breaking the law? The law is infallible in your eyes?

The law is an ass;)

So, that's your entire problem with it? You don't agree with enacting social change by breaking the law? The law is infallible in your eyes?

:mad:


It is disgusting full stop 'subject closed'

So are plenty of things I did and I do... :rolleyes: that is your look out mate

:mad:


It is disgusting full stop 'subject closed'

*lol
So, we are not allowed to discuss things on the basis that you find them disgusting?

18 / 19 out ;)
what would you think about someone , who visit the forum at a time, when in my country school is over, and then share Smilies to all posts ??

:) :) :) :) :) :)

*lol
So, we are not allowed to discuss things on the basis that you find them disgusting?Maybe just start another thread, so he won't have to look at it ;)

*lol
So, we are not allowed to discuss things on the basis that you find them disgusting? No but dont talk to me about it okay

No but dont talk to me about it okay

Just put me on your Ignore List, then ;)
So you won't have to be bothered by my opinion.

what would you think about someone , who visit the forum at a time, when in my country school is over, and then share Smilies to all posts ??

:) :) :) :) :) :)
say that in English?

Maybe just start another thread, so he won't have to look at it ;)

I think we had one on the topic ages ago... and if I'm correct, I think I even started it...

Might be time for a new one, though.

Just put me on your Ignore List, then ;)
So you won't have to be bothered by my opinion.
an opinion that is flawed

Maybe just start another thread, so he won't have to look at it ;)
he will....just setting a smilie in it

At the age of 4 I found out while trying to sleep. Lousy neihbours always getting it on :mad:

At the age of 4 I found out while trying to sleep. Lousy neihbours always getting it on :mad:

an opinion that is flawed

Why? Because the law in your country says so at the moment?

:mad:


It is disgusting full stop 'subject closed'

This it's new it's disgusting I don't want to talk about kill all the commie bastards who think about aprouch to life iis what I commenly assosiate with Christianity. Which is why I don't like Chistianity. Hey I was 6 or 7 at the time do you honestly intend to pass judgement on the sexual explorations of a 6 or 7 year old?

At the age of 4 I found out while trying to sleep. Lousy neihbours always getting it on :mad:

And what happend then? do you asked your parents, what these neighbours are doing???

At the age of 4 I found out while trying to sleep. Lousy neihbours always getting it on :mad:
neighbours.

This it's new it's disgusting I don't want to talk about kill all the commie bastards who think about aprouch to life iis what I commenly assosiate with Christianity. Which is why I don't like Chistianity. Hey I was 6 or 7 at the time do you honestly intend to pass judgement on the sexual explorations of a 6 or 7 year old? well maybe your sister was the one in the wrong then

neighbours.

And "incest" not "insest", "masturbation" not "masterbation"...

Please. You're not making yourself look very good right now.

And "incest" not "insest", "masturbation" not "masterbation"...

Please. You're not making yourself look very good right now.
was only trying to help get off my case please

neighbours.

Now I got it... you're not a student, you are a teacher. This is the reason you only come into NS at these times

This it's new it's disgusting I don't want to talk about kill all the commie bastards who think about aprouch to life iis what I commenly assosiate with Christianity. Which is why I don't like Chistianity. Hey I was 6 or 7 at the time do you honestly intend to pass judgement on the sexual explorations of a 6 or 7 year old?

Nothing wrong with that at all.
I have two brothers, and there's nothing unusual about what you described at all. And that's keeping in mind what kind of family I'm from ;)

was only trying to help get off my case please

You do realise that a number of people here are not native speakers, right? It's not very polite to point out mistakes that have nothing whatsoever to do with the subject.

And you still owe me a reason as to why you consider my opinion wrong and my views disgusting. ;)

sadly i have no brothers and sisters so i must learn everything on my own....

Now I got it... you're not a student, you are a teacher. This is the reason you only come into NS at these times
that is where you are totally wrong I am not a teacher or a student I was just pointing out spelling mistake as a kindly pointer and if you look I am here all day as I am unemployed age 37 and disabled in a benefits trap so get your facts right

sadly i have no brothers and sisters so i must learn everything on my own....

Aw... you've got it figured out all right :fluffle:

You do realise that a number of people here are not native speakers, right? It's not very polite to point out mistakes that have nothing whatsoever to do with the subject.

And you still owe me a reason as to why you consider my opinion wrong and my views disgusting. ;) yawn you are boring me now

yawn you are boring me now

Yup, some of us are boring demanding rational explanations all the time :D

Yup, some of us are boring demanding rational explanations all the time :D
what is exactly your problem?

what is exactly your problem?

The fact that you state something as an absolute, without providing reason or explanation to support it ;)

Very bad debatting style.

what is exactly your problem?Maybe she needs to get laid ;)
Or perhaps the fact you called her opinion wrong, rather than just stating that you disagree with it, and gave no justification as to why it would be wrong.

I'm really not sure. I remember making crude sex jokes when I was about 9 or 10...so probably before that. I don't recall asking any questions or anything...

The fact that you state something as an absolute, without providing reason or explanation to support it ;)

Very bad debatting style.

... and that's being polite.

Maybe she needs to get laid ;)....


*lol

Or maybe it's my time of the month? ;)

Maybe she needs to get laid ;)
Or perhaps the fact you called her opinion wrong, rather than just stating that you disagree with it, and gave no justification as to why it would be wrong. I am married thank you..........

*lol

Or maybe it's my time of the month? ;) I am male so a tad hard

The fact that you state something as an absolute, without providing reason or explanation to support it ;)

Very bad debatting style. IYHO

well maybe your sister was the one in the wrong then


You don't sound certian she was about 3 years older. But than again I discribed this very thing to a therapist ones and she said oh that must be just horable, and I thought I'm the one who needs a therapist? I don't get shrinks. God they can be so stupid.

I don't hold judgement against my older sister. Again why should I care?

I am male so a tad hard

*lol
You obvioulsy didn't get that one.
Anyway, back on topic, why do you think sexual relations between siblings are "disgusting" and "wrong"?

*lol
You obvioulsy didn't get that one.
Anyway, back on topic, why do you think sexual relations between siblings are "disgusting" and "wrong"? i got it but it was not funny

I am married thank you..........

And you honestly think he meant she should get laid by YOU?

*ROFLMAO

i got it but it was not funny

Honey, if you don't want to debate anything, why are you here in the first place?
And why would you attack somebody's views just to then go and refuse any explanation?

i don't remember exactly.. but I must have been 5 years old or younger definitely

Honey, if you don't want to debatte anything, why are you here in the first place?
And why would you attack somebody's views just to then go and refuse any explanation?


Honey, if you don't want to debatte anything, why are you here in the first place? dont call me honey

And why would you attack somebody's views just to then go and refuse any explanation? well your views on incest are wrong

When I was ten years old, from the girl across the street, who was a couple of years older and had a brother about 17 who had apparently discussed it with her. We experimented. :D

And why would you attack somebody's views just to then go and refuse any explanation? well your views on incest are wrong

Well, why?

I'm beginning to feel like a parrot here...

and I thought I'm the one who needs a therapist? I don't get shrinks. Well, if they can't convince you you have a problem, how will they get you to come back and pay them more money?
It only makes sense they try to make problems out of things you don't have a problem with..

Well, if they can't convince you you have a problem, how will they get you to come back and pay them more money?
It only makes sense they try to make problems out of things you don't have a problem with..

They tend to miss out on what you do have a problem with, though.

Well, why? becuse one it is against the law and two it is immoral

I'm beginning to feel like a parrot here... well suck seed

When I was ten years old, from the girl across the street, who was a couple of years older and had a brother about 17 who had apparently discussed it with her. We experimented. :D
god damn whats with all you people getting off at, like, 10?!
some people round here are still virgins you know - to think there are 10 year olds out there (and probably lots of them too) with more experience than me makes me want to either hurt myself bad, or hurt them... not quite sure :confused: ;)

Well, why? becuse one it is against the law and two it is immoral


So, everything that's against the law in your country is automatiaclly wrong all around the world and at all times?
And on what grounds is it immoral?

And you honestly think he meant she should get laid by YOU?Yeah, that'd be cruel and unusual for at least one of them ;)

god damn whats with all you people getting off at, like, 10?!
some people round here are still virgins you know - to think there are 10 year olds out there (and probably lots of them too) with more experience than me makes me want to either hurt myself bad, or hurt them... not quite sure :confused: ;)

Hey, there's no need to be jealous. None of those 10 year olds have Glitziness, so no matter how much experience they have, you'll still be the lucky guy :fluffle:

Yeah, that'd be cruel and unusual for at least one of you ;)

Both, I bet :D

So, everything that's against the law in your country is automatiaclly wrong all around the world and at all times? no, but insest is wrong IMHO
And on what grounds is it immoral? under age sex

god damn whats with all you people getting off at, like, 10?!
some people round here are still virgins you know - to think there are 10 year olds out there (and probably lots of them too) with more experience than me makes me want to either hurt myself bad, or hurt them... not quite sure :confused: ;)
Oooooooo! Hurt me, you silly savage! :D

Most people, at ten, are incapable of "getting off." Like I said, we just experimented. :p

Yeah, that'd be cruel and unusual for at least one of you ;)
she? I am male

So, everything that's against the law in your country is automatiaclly wrong all around the world and at all times? no, but insest is wrong IMHO
And on what grounds is it immoral? under age sex

Ok, so sexual relations would be ok if both siblings were of age?

and two it is immoralI think the big question is, Why is it immoral?
Does God forbid it? (Let's check how the children of Adam and Eve populated the earth with no other humans around)
Does the welfare for the human race increase if people don't have incestuous (but consentual) sex?
Does Kant have a maxim that makes it plausable that it should be forbidden?
Does social contract theory have anything to say on the matter?
What moral basis leads to the conclusion that it's wrong? That would be interesting to know.

...'field porn,' that porn that for some reason you seemed to be able to find between the ages of 12-14 scattered in fields.
Quite a phenomenon, that.

Ok, so sexual relations would be ok if both siblings were of age?
no dont be stupid now

no dont be stupid now

So how about providing some properly explained reasons? And some grammar, although I won't hold my breath on that one.

no dont be stupid now

Well, you told me it was immoral because it was underage sex. If that's the only thing that's wrong with it in your opinion, it would be ok again once both siblings are grown up.

So, everything that's against the law in your country is automatiaclly wrong all around the world and at all times? no, but insest is wrong IMHO
And on what grounds is it immoral? under age sex
I hate to be the one to shatter everyone's illusions, but incest happens more often that most of us might imagine, usually at a very early age. Without penetration, though, there is neither incest nor rape, nor even statutory rape. Most of those sort of things fall under "taking liberties with a minor," if one party is over 18, or something like "undue influence" if there's a signficant age disparity if both parties are under 18, although anything where both parties are under about the age of 12, legal action is seldom taken.

Seriously, I can't believe no one's ever talked about this.

How did you first learn about sex and when?

For me, it was back early on in the 3rd grade. At first, a couple kids in my class knew about it. And then it spread faster than a rumor.

I always wondered why those two kids always cracked up whenever we sang "When Johnny comes marching home again." ("And we'll all feel gay when...") I'm sure it's related somehow, someway.
Long before 5 years old. I learnt the words "penis" and "vagina" at the same age I learned "elbow" and "nose." I was honestly shocked when I reached 4th grade, had my first sex ed class, and found out that NOT ONE OTHER KID in the room knew what "labia" are. For most of my life I have been disgusted with how many parents are idiots when it comes to their kids' sexual education, particularly considering how dangerous their ignorance is...I can't understand how any loving parent could choose to put their child directly in harm's way, yet that's what most American parents choose to do. Talk about perverted.

I think the big question is, Why is it immoral?
Does God forbid it? (Let's check how the children of Adam and Eve populated the earth with no other humans around)
Does the welfare for the human race increase if people don't have incestuous (but consentual) sex?
Does Kant have a maxim that makes it plausable that it should be forbidden?
Does social contract theory have anything to say on the matter?
What moral basis leads to the conclusion that it's wrong? That would be interesting to know.

Why is it immoral? because it is like having sex with your mother or dad

Does God forbid it? yes

Does the welfare for the human race increase if people don't have incestuous (but consentual) sex? interbreeding is bad

Does Kant have a maxim that makes it plausable that it should be forbidden? whos Kant?

Does social contract theory have anything to say on the matter? what?

What moral basis leads to the conclusion that it's wrong? it just is wrong

Ok, so sexual relations would be ok if both siblings were of age?
If both are consenting adults, why not? Personally, I find the idea icky, but "ickiness" is not a reason to ban a given activity.

By age 8 I think I remember knowing what sex was... by 9 definitely, because I slandered a teacher in the playground graphically. I learnt about it almost osmotically, from other pupils, nature documentories, etc.

If both are consenting adults, why not? Personally, I find the idea icky, but "ickiness" is not a reason to ban a given activity.
There was a case not long ago, in West Virginia as I recall, where four brothers were caught taking liberties with their only sister. The therepist called the family "confused." Heh! Sigh.

If both are consenting adults, why not? Personally, I find the idea icky, but "ickiness" is not a reason to ban a given activity.

'devil's advocate' is a good game, but 'silly buggers' gets old quick.

Hey, there's no need to be jealous. None of those 10 year olds have Glitziness, so no matter how much experience they have, you'll still be the lucky guy :fluffle:
haha good point!! and so true :fluffle: :D
god i love her... today seemingly more than ever!! and i don't know why! :P

Oooooooo! Hurt me, you silly savage! :D

Most people, at ten, are incapable of "getting off." Like I said, we just experimented. :p
mmmm amy... *ponders*
sorry i seem to have forgotten what the arguement was about now ;)

Why is it immoral? because it is like having sex with your mother or dad

No. It's not having sex with a parent, but with a sibling. Huge difference regarding social interaction and general influence on behaviour there.

Does God forbid it? yes

I'd like to see one bible quote on that, please. God didn't even have objections to having sex with parents, if I remember Lot's story correctly.


Does the welfare for the human race increase if people don't have incestuous (but consentual) sex? interbreeding is bad

That's why we excluded the possibility of interbreeding a few pages back. The question was why sexual relations between siblings are wrong in any way, provided there was no offspring.


Does Kant have a maxim that makes it plausable that it should be forbidden? whos Kant?

Immanuel Kant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel_Kant)


Does social contract theory have anything to say on the matter? what?

Social Contract (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract_theory)


What moral basis leads to the conclusion that it's wrong? it just is wrong

That is not an arguement.

There was a case not long ago, in West Virginia as I recall, where four brothers were caught taking liberties with their only sister. The therepist called the family "confused." Heh! Sigh.
Double sigh. As far as I am concerned, the main problem with incest is that it is virtually always a form of sexual abuse. In theory there is nothing wrong with a consenting incestuous relationship, but the sad reality is that such a relationship is nigh impossible because these relationships typically start out with siblings being sexually abused as children.

However, there was a case that cropped up back during my undergrad days, in which a couple who had been together for something like 5 years found out that they were actually brother and sister, both adopted apart as infants. One-in-a-gajillion chance, but they met and fell in love without ever knowing their biological relationship. I don't see anything "sick" about that, myself.

Why is it immoral? because it is like having sex with your mother or dadEven if that were the case, and it's not if only for the greatly smaller age difference, that still doesn't give a reason as to why it's wrong. It just shifts the burden of proof to another case.

Does God forbid it? yesCan you quote the bible on that? And explain how two people can populate the earth without incest being involved. (And there's plenty of later accounts were it's tolerated).

Does the welfare for the human race increase if people don't have incestuous (but consentual) sex? interbreeding is badBut sex isn't necessarily breeding. The results of interbreeding are generally bad, I'd agree. But incest doesn't necessarily lead to children. (Certainly not if one or both parties are too young to be fertile).
But it's a good argument to start with.

"Does Kant have a maxim that makes it plausable that it should be forbidden?" whos Kant?An 19th(?) century philosopher that developped an 'objective' ethics system (not based on religion).

"Does social contract theory have anything to say on the matter?" what?Another possible flavor of ethical systems, this one by Hobbes (older than Kant's).

"What moral basis leads to the conclusion that it's wrong?" it just is wrongAnd back off the deep end. "it just is" is not an argument.
You're being silly. Why? Because you just are!
See, it's a silly way argue. And you know I'm right on this. Why? Because I just am! :rolleyes:

Just an aside: I thought the question was "Does God forbid incest." Is there a reason why everybody then asked for Bible passages? Are we just giving up the pretense that there are other gods, now?

Just an aside: I thought the question was "Does God forbid incest." Is there a reason why everybody then asked for Bible passages? Are we just giving up the pretense that there are other gods, now?
must everybody abide by the rules laid down by a book that many believe to be purely fictional?

Just an aside: I thought the question was "Does God forbid incest." Is there a reason why everybody then asked for Bible passages? Are we just giving up the pretense that there are other gods, now?

Fair enough.
Can anyone quote the bible, the Torah, the Q'ran or the Bhagvad Gita on this, showing where any of them forbids sexual relations among siblings?

I think I would also accept a quote by Confucius...

Just an aside: I thought the question was "Does God forbid incest." Is there a reason why everybody then asked for Bible passages? Are we just giving up the pretense that there are other gods, now?You're right, it's a bit shortsighted, although it's a safe assumption most people here that argue from God are Christians.
But of course any other holy Scripture will do.
I wouldn't count too much on the greeks or egyptians though, their gods were an incestuous bunch.

must everybody abide by the rules laid down by a book that many believe to be purely fictional?

No, but many people abuse religion as justification for not thinking themselves.
This fellow just argued that "god" was against incest, so I'd just like to know where and when god said such a thing.

must everybody abide by the rules laid down by a book that many believe to be purely fictional?Yes, everybody should abide by the rules of Bokonon.

I wouldn't count too much on the greeks or egyptians though, their gods were an incestuous bunch.

I was just going to point that out ;)
Nordic mythology won't back that argument either, considering the ledgend of Lif and Lifthrasil...

4th grade

From my priest (they made him come in and teach the boys sex ed)

Who later turned out to molest me and three others (he also had in the late 70’s as well)

Yes, everybody should abide by the rules of Bokonon.
i live by the bylaws of Rivendell myself.

and Cabra, i'm just making my usual anti-bible/fanatic points... ignore me ;)

I'd estimate it was around 10 years when I started to talk about it with my class mates, which was my only source of information about that... there was no sex education until much later, and then it only in a single biology lesson from an extremely inhibited biology teacher :rolleyes:
Parents didn't talk about it either until much later.

Three or four, when I asked my dad how babies were made.

I honestly don't remember how I found out, but I remember knowing about the basics when I was five. However, I think it wasn't until I was about seven that I knew the whole truth. I remember horrifying my mother when I told her this 'joke':

What do you call a music shop full of nuns? A Virgin MegaStore.

When my mother asked me if I knew what 'that' meant, I explained what a Virgin MegaStore was, then what a virgin was and so on, and couldn't understand why she didn't get the joke...I thought she would have known the word 'virgin' as well! Of course, her incredulity stemmed not from not 'getting' the joke but from the fact that I properly understood it at that age.

Fair enough.
Can anyone quote the bible, the Torah, the Q'ran or the Bhagvad Gita on this, showing where any of them forbids sexual relations among siblings?

I think I would also accept a quote by Confucius...
I think I can make a very solid case for Zeus condoning incest...

I honestly don't remember how I found out, but I remember knowing about the basics when I was five. However, I think it wasn't until I was about seven that I knew the whole truth. I remember horrifying my mother when I told her this 'joke':

What do you call a music shop full of nuns? A Virgin MegaStore.

When my mother asked me if I knew what 'that' meant, I explained what a Virgin MegaStore was, then what a virgin was and so on, and couldn't understand why she didn't get the joke...I thought she would have known the word 'virgin' as well! Of course, her incredulity stemmed not from not 'getting' the joke but from the fact that I properly understood it at that age.
My parents like to tell the story of how, when I was 4 years old, I came to my mother with my little chubby fists on my little chubby hips and scolded her:

"Mother, I know that you have had sex. And Daddy has too. Because you have me, and babies come from sex, and that means you had sex to have me. And Jimmy's mom and dad have had sex THREE TIMES because they have THREE boys."

I was very confused when she burst into laughter, since I thought I had just totally busted her and Dad.

First time a group of us ever discussed sex was when I was in year 3. I've got this really random memory about it too; one of the guys said "So, when you stick your willy in her fanny *much sniggering etc.* does he just...pee inside her?"

I went home and asked my mum. Strangely, she took it rather well and told me some of the facts of life, as it were. Although she didn't mention how fun it was.

My parents like to tell the story of how, when I was 4 years old, I came to my mother with my little chubby fists on my little chubby hips and scolded her:

"Mother, I know that you have had sex. And Daddy has too. Because you have me, and babies come from sex, and that means you had sex to have me. And Jimmy's mom and dad have had sex THREE TIMES because they have THREE boys."

I was very confused when she burst into laughter, since I thought I had just totally busted her and Dad.LOL, classic! Sounds like you were a little madam :p My friends and I used to say stuff like that too - "oh, our parents had sex x times since they have x children". It was considered a big event when someone finally suggested that it was possible, just possible, that maybe people had sex more often than their number of children suggested. How silly it all sounds now!

I think that as children and especially as adolescents we make sex into this huge big, mystical thing - it's scary, but at the same time it's like the holy grail. Then once you've done it a few times you realise that, as overwhelmingly enjoyable as it can be, it's really just another part of (adult) life and there was no reason to get into such a fuss over it. But then again, the build-up that comes with all that covert childhood talk is probably part of the fun.

Although she didn't mention how fun it was.

My grandfather was a medical doctor and psychyatrist. He had worked most of his carreer in the city where we lived, and when I was 4 or so, he came to visit, and my parents hosted a semi-formal get-together for a bunch of his old medical friends. I don't know what I overheard, but in the middle of the party, with a good crowd of relatively high-class, well-dressed doctors, I walked up to my mother and asked loudly so as t be heard above the din, "Mommy, what's an orgasm?"

There was instantanious silence in the entire place. My mother turned absolutely crimson, and ordered me to go upstairs. I remember her sitting me down, clearly not having a clue what to say, and I thought I'd asked something terrible. She told me that an orgasm was "the fun part of having sex" and I thought it was the most disgusting thing in the world.

i cant really remember a time when i didint 'know', its just a matter of how much i know. i never had to ask 'where do babies come from?' etc.etc

OMG...this is a pervers sexual fantasy....I wonder,that I like women now...

http://www.jim.aquino.com/images/simpsons-rodney.jpg
Hey, thanks for the backup! I'd forgotten about that one.
It would appear i'm not such a rabid Simpsons fan as i'd thought.
:(

I should add that while the male/female plug talk was the first indication, I didn't recieve verification until my first discovery of 'field porn,' that porn that for some reason you seemed to be able to find between the ages of 12-14 scattered in fields.
...kind of like Prairie Squid...
Tell me more, tell me more.
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Seriously, I can't believe no one's ever talked about this.

How did you first learn about sex and when?

For me, it was back early on in the 3rd grade. At first, a couple kids in my class knew about it. And then it spread faster than a rumor.

I always wondered why those two kids always cracked up whenever we sang "When Johnny comes marching home again." ("And we'll all feel gay when...") I'm sure it's related somehow, someway.
funny story. I was about 6. I had asked my mom how women get pregnant and she said "when a man and woman sleep together sometimes she gets pregnant"

well, about a week later all the grandkids were over at grandma's house and she made us all take a nap, I refused to sleep in the same room as my male cousins over fear of getting pregnant. My grandmother had to sit down and explain to me exactly how a woman gets pregnant before I would take a nap. It was then that I decided that people shouldn't use phrases like "slept together", I mean why not just say "had sex".

My 4 year old knows about sex, but only because she asked, and I didn't want to lie. My 2 year old knows basically that it takes sperms and eggs to make babies, and that the man has the sperm and the woman has the eggs, and that women have wombs to grow them in. (which sadly is a lot more than the kids next door who are 9 and 10 know)

I think that it's only spread out by the porn fairy for boys and girls in the throws of puberty. It's the only explination I can come up with.

Incidently, how long would it take for a nation called "Porn Fairy" to be deleted?
I've got a cute lil' anecdote here ...
A few years back, i was livin' in a trailer (da-da da da da-da) and my wife was working at a video store that sold porn. I was feeling, as i often do, capricious, and suggested that instead of throwing out the old porn boxes, we could go through them and our collection of photo extras and snip out the faces of friends and people we knew locally, and paste them over the tops of people engaged in sexual congress of wildly varying types. My wife actually AGREED, and we brought home a whole bag or two of empty porn box covers.
Well, we ended up hosting her mom's family a little bit and my wife didn't feel that she should be exposing her nosy little brother to that find, accidentally, so we put the bags out under the motor home of my wife's mom's boyfriend. So of course, being busy people, we forgot all about it until some time passed and things were being moved around for a yard sale (when the motor home was to be moved), and the bags were moved out from under the wheels. A friend pointed out what was in them, as they were reviewing what was going to be in the yard sale, so my wife reminded me that we should find a better place to keep them. I agreed but went on about my merry way anyway, and the bags stayed out. The next day, of course, a severe windstorm came up .... and ....

so the entire street in our part of the trailer court became blessed with covers of a wide variety of sexual decadence.
A few hours had passed before we'd noticed or remembered ... and then we scrambled to pull the covers out from under people's cars, their driveways, wire fences, pink flamingo legs and doghouses before any of the neighborhood's kids got a hold of them. We never told it was us .... and we're not really sure we got them all back.
So in a way ... "Porn Fairy" might actually apply to Straughn.
BTW i'm not lying about this.

When I was 5, my sister (7 at the time) came home from school and asked what "sexy" meant. That led to my parents giving us both the talk.
It really was too early for me, because I went the next couple of years thinking that sex happened in the hospital, seconds before birth, and that women would get pregnant naturally if they forgot to take their birth control pills.

I've got a cute lil' anecdote here ...
A few years back, i was livin' in a trailer (da-da da da da-da) and my wife was working at a video store that sold porn. I was feeling, as i often do, capricious, and suggested that instead of throwing out the old porn boxes, we could go through them and our collection of photo extras and snip out the faces of friends and people we knew locally, and paste them over the tops of people engaged in sexual congress of wildly varying types.

Oh...... so that was YOU!

;)

Oh...... so that was YOU!

;)
Absotively posilutely.
Well, i endevour to involve myself in education in some fashion ... i hadn't planned in THIS fashion, but oh well!!!! Glad i could be of some service!
Maybe it made someone's job MUCH easier.