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The American people have been brain-washed. Now this being my opening comment you would guess this will be a shove my ideals down your throat and you must listen but it was in no way intentioned to do so. Now i was sitting around my house today and i got in a heated debate with a close friend of mine which spawned me to write this becuase i can't keep this bottled up any longer. For those interested i am a 13 year old American.

There's a beer cooler in my home that states "America home of the brave, These colors don't run." That to me says that we are a very totaltarian and militilistic country. That to me says that we're gonna fight until the death whether what we're doing is right or wrong. That says to me we're gonna pick a fight and we're not gonna back down. Now if these above statements have offended you please stop reading this because it's going nowhere but downhill from here. The Iraqi war is a perfect example. Granted Suddam Heussein was a terrible tyrant and needed to be taken care of but we found him and he is on trial, but guess what? We didn't run. Yay go American Military! No. this is not my outlook on this. I mean you think a few of the soldiers would've caught on.

America has a history of de-seating Dictators becuase we as a Democracy think we need to shove Democracy down everyone's throat because our ideals are so great and they have a Dictator meaning they're some third world country with lots of resources(Iraq for instance). What if democracy isn't for them? What if a dictatorship is what they need? What if the country isn't ready for a responsability of being a Democratic nation. This would be the ideal government take on foriegn nations in my perfect world but if you think this is how the government acts about foreign nations you are sorley mistaken.

Big oil industries don't want leaders put in place of dictators they want dictators who favor America put in place of Dictators. They don't want leaders put in who want to reform their countries culture or educate the common people. If leaders educated the common people they couldn't be exploited by Big buisness and Corporations making them useless to America. America and Corporation want leaders who will allow america to walk in take what they want and leave with what they want no questions asked. You put me in power therefore i let you do whatever you want. This shows what our government wants to happen to countries under our control.

The media is willing to cover up for the government. I'll say this straight out because it has allready been proven fact. Has everyone heard of what happened in Bosnia? What about Mozambique? Angola? All of these are places we went and literally practiced genocide. In Mozambique 1,000,000+ people were killed, and that's a rough estimate. In Angola 3,000,000 people killed. 3 million!!! How can the media ignore things like this you ask? Easily becuase the government has asked them kindly not to include that in today's report. Now if you would please subsitute the country Angola with the United States, now imagine 3 million people killed by the CIA here and no media company would cover it. Why?, because the government dosn't want you to know. The media is willing to cover up dangerous and important things like this just so the American people wont know and don't have to fear there government.

I think the main reason most american people are ignorent to most going ons like this because they're way to interested in what the media has to say, what the latest trend is and what's "cool" and "chic". Who the fuck cares what's "cool" and "chic" when our government is decieving us left and right!??!? The worst part being we pay so much attention to the media when it's the media that the government is using to decieve us. Like for instance with the right of freedom of the speech and many News stations denying they are slanted conservative or liberalist the two ways of thinking should have equal air time right? Well the conservative propaganda that the media is run and slanted towards liberalists is just plainly false. How can Liberalists be controlling the media when the three largest News Companies are owned by addmited Conservatives. Does that sound like equal air-time to you? I hope not. Another form of media that Conservatists "own" is radio and newspapers. If you believe that conservative ideals and views are shut out of the media do a little reasearch on Reed Irvine. Reed Irvine is a very conservative person and has a show on 200+ radio stations and a Newspaper column that gets in to 100+ newspapers. Now there are 1,700+ daily newspapers and a dozen or less are owned by addmited Liberalists. Meaning that the other 1,688 are owned by Conservatives. Sound like equal speech in the media to you?

Now with the three freedoms of Speech,Press, and Religion someone could ideally declare themselves a prophet or god and begin a religion revolving around them. Then they can write a bible having to do with anything to do with the religion become tax exempt and because of freedom or religion not get persecuted over it. It sounds like the perfect scam to make money. Convert your home into a church and make it tax exempt then buy any number of buildings where you live and create a monopolly dealing with real estate. Now these Freedoms are very important to me and allow me to think like i do but when paired with religions being tax exempt they create a flawed duo. Without these ideals we would be nothing. Human instinct is one of the driving foces for religion. Do you think Christianity would've spread without the help of people who thought it was a great idea? No. It might have been a great idea for them but does that mean it's a good idea for me?What if i want to rationalize and think you know this god idea is sorta werid, he's eternal came from nothing and knows everything? But back then it was not a choice sort of thing and i understand that but times have changed and people need to change with the times. Call me a heathen call me whatever you want but I believe religious buildings being tax exempt is assinine.

In conclusion, The government wants you to be ignorant. There i said it. They want you ignorant so you are easily manipulated, because if the american people weren't so interested in what the media has to say and so interested in what is "cool" and "chic" they might pay attention to what's going on in the world and might form an opinion. What really bothers the powers at be, is they have to occasionally deal with human beings who have thoughts and interests of their own. That's always been a problem and as long as there are people around like you and me it will be a problem. Thank you.

Am i alone in my thoughts? am i crazy? give me your ideas.

America has a history of de-seating Dictators becuase we as a Democracy think we need to shove Democracy down everyone's throat because our ideals are so great and they have a Dictator meaning they're some third world country with lots of resources(Iraq for instance). What if democracy isn't for them? What if a dictatorship is what they need?
Hey, we've supported the de-seating of democratic leaders to shove dictatorships down people's throats too, so maybe it evens out!

Am i alone in my thoughts? am i crazy? give me your ideas.
Oh, you're not.
The problem is just that people who think like you all live in Canada and the EU. ;)

You'll soon learn that no matter how brilliant your ideas may be, if they are not presented in a reasonable manner they will not be given a moment's consideration. I could barely read that "essay" of yours. Learn grammar and spelling and capitalization and punctuation. And learn how to structure your thoughts. I know you're 13, and you'll learn this soon, but I'm just preparing you for what I imagine is going to be the most prevalent comment.

You'll soon learn that no matter how brilliant your ideas may be, if they are not presented in a reasonable manner they will not be given a moment's consideration. I could barely read that "essay" of yours. Learn grammar and spelling and capitalization and punctuation. And learn how to structure your thoughts. I know you're 13, and you'll learn this soon, but I'm just preparing you for what I imagine is going to be the most prevalent comment.

Not really an essay, just a collection of thoughts. Thanks for construcvtive criticism though. But i wonder why Canadians think like that when they're so close to us? are they looking to be invaded or nuke'd for that matter. -.-

Hey, we've supported the de-seating of democratic leaders to shove dictatorships down people's throats too, so maybe it evens out!
Damn, and I was about to say "We have more of a history of uprooting democracies and instituting dictatorships."

To be honest, falling for consipracy theory tag lines makes one as brainwashed and ignorant as any you claim to be.

Now, for your age, one can not expect you to adhere to any standards of intellectual practice, so this is not really an attack on your methodology per se. That being said, in general circles, citing facts without support, providing generlized comments without evidence, and generally ranting without providing credibility does not lend support to any argument, regardless of how correct it may be.

Your beliefs are yours of course, and I agree that this nation has problems that should be fixed, but systematic nationwide clandestine conspiracy rantings? Too far for my tastes.

The American people have been brain-washed. Now this being my opening comment you would guess this will be a shove my ideals down your throat and you must listen but it was in no way intentioned to do so. Now i was sitting around my house today and i got in a heated debate with a close friend of mine which spawned me to write this becuase i can't keep this bottled up any longer. For those interested i am a 13 year old American.

There's a beer cooler in my home that states "America home of the brave, These colors don't run." That to me says that we are a very totaltarian and militilistic country. That to me says that we're gonna fight until the death whether what we're doing is right or wrong. That says to me we're gonna pick a fight and we're not gonna back down. Now if these above statements have offended you please stop reading this because it's going nowhere but downhill from here. The Iraqi war is a perfect example. Granted Suddam Heussein was a terrible tyrant and needed to be taken care of but we found him and he is on trial, but guess what? We didn't run. Yay go American Military! No. this is not my outlook on this. I mean you think a few of the soldiers would've caught on.

WTF? So we are not like the French who pander to anyone willing to buy their arms. We have balls and stand up to evil. That's NOT distinctly American-The Brits, Poles, Romanians, Australians, and a few others have that to.

When you're country is attacked and your countrymen murdered you don't fight then run. No. You fight and fight to WIN. FOR PETE'S SAKE WE ARE NOT THE FRENCH!



America has a history of de-seating Dictators becuase we as a Democracy think we need to shove Democracy down everyone's throat because our ideals are so great and they have a Dictator meaning they're some third world country with lots of resources(Iraq for instance). What if democracy isn't for them? What if a dictatorship is what they need? What if the country isn't ready for a responsability of being a Democratic nation. This would be the ideal government take on foriegn nations in my perfect world but if you think this is how the government acts about foreign nations you are sorley mistaken.

In Iraq you had a tinpot dictator who murdered 1 million of his own people. Look at the results from the last election-the Iraqi people love democracy.


Big oil industries don't want leaders put in place of dictators they want dictators who favor America put in place of Dictators. They don't want leaders put in who want to reform their countries culture or educate the common people. If leaders educated the common people they couldn't be exploited by Big buisness and Corporations making them useless to America. America and Corporation want leaders who will allow america to walk in take what they want and leave with what they want no questions asked. You put me in power therefore i let you do whatever you want. This shows what our government wants to happen to countries under our control.

The media is willing to cover up for the government. I'll say this straight out because it has allready been proven fact. Has everyone heard of what happened in Bosnia? What about Mozambique? Angola? All of these are places we went and literally practiced genocide. In Mozambique 1,000,000+ people were killed, and that's a rough estimate. In Angola 3,000,000 people killed. 3 million!!! How can the media ignore things like this you ask? Easily becuase the government has asked them kindly not to include that in today's report. Now if you would please subsitute the country Angola with the United States, now imagine 3 million people killed by the CIA here and no media company would cover it. Why?, because the government dosn't want you to know. The media is willing to cover up dangerous and important things like this just so the American people wont know and don't have to fear there government.

The media isn't willing to cover for the government. I'd be happy if the CIA killed 3 million, as long as they were the right 3 million.

Why does the media not care? Because it's fellow blacks doing the killing, and because people flat out don't care.


I think the main reason most american people are ignorent to most going ons like this because they're way to interested in what the media has to say, what the latest trend is and what's "cool" and "chic". Who the fuck cares what's "cool" and "chic" when our government is decieving us left and right!??!? The worst part being we pay so much attention to the media when it's the media that the government is using to decieve us. Like for instance with the right of freedom of the speech and many News stations denying they are slanted conservative or liberalist the two ways of thinking should have equal air time right? Well the conservative propaganda that the media is run and slanted towards liberalists is just plainly false. How can Liberalists be controlling the media when the three largest News Companies are owned by addmited Conservatives. Does that sound like equal air-time to you? I hope not. Another form of media that Conservatists "own" is radio and newspapers. If you believe that conservative ideals and views are shut out of the media do a little reasearch on Reed Irvine. Reed Irvine is a very conservative person and has a show on 200+ radio stations and a Newspaper column that gets in to 100+ newspapers. Now there are 1,700+ daily newspapers and a dozen or less are owned by addmited Liberalists. Meaning that the other 1,688 are owned by Conservatives. Sound like equal speech in the media to you?

There's no such thing as equal speech-it's free. If a liberal wants to start up his newspaper but it doesn't sell well that's too bad. Become conservative. The same thing for conservative new reporters-there aren't too many of them on the major news channel 'cept for FOX.

Now with the three freedoms of Speech,Press, and Religion someone could ideally declare themselves a prophet or god and begin a religion revolving around them. Then they can write a bible having to do with anything to do with the religion become tax exempt and because of freedom or religion not get persecuted over it. It sounds like the perfect scam to make money. Convert your home into a church and make it tax exempt then buy any number of buildings where you live and create a monopolly dealing with real estate. Now these Freedoms are very important to me and allow me to think like i do but when paired with religions being tax exempt they create a flawed duo. Without these ideals we would be nothing. Human instinct is one of the driving foces for religion. Do you think Christianity would've spread without the help of people who thought it was a great idea? No. It might have been a great idea for them but does that mean it's a good idea for me?What if i want to rationalize and think you know this god idea is sorta werid, he's eternal came from nothing and knows everything? But back then it was not a choice sort of thing and i understand that but times have changed and people need to change with the times. Call me a heathen call me whatever you want but I believe religious buildings being tax exempt is assinine.

In conclusion, The government wants you to be ignorant. There i said it. They want you ignorant so you are easily manipulated, because if the american people weren't so interested in what the media has to say and so interested in what is "cool" and "chic" they might pay attention to what's going on in the world and might form an opinion. What really bothers the powers at be, is they have to occasionally deal with human beings who have thoughts and interests of their own. That's always been a problem and as long as there are people around like you and me it will be a problem. Thank you.

Am i alone in my thoughts? am i crazy? give me your ideas.

Dude you need to stop hanging around DU and look at the world.

Kid I've got 7 years on you. Not trying to tower over you, but at 12 I thought a lot like you did. At 18 I opened my eyes and slapped myself for what I had previously though.

The American people have been brain-washed. Now this being my opening comment you would guess this will be a shove my ideals down your throat and you must listen but it was in no way intentioned to do so. Now i was sitting around my house today and i got in a heated debate with a close friend of mine which spawned me to write this becuase i can't keep this bottled up any longer. For those interested i am a 13 year old American.

There's a beer cooler in my home that states "America home of the brave, These colors don't run." That to me says that we are a very totaltarian and militilistic country. That to me says that we're gonna fight until the death whether what we're doing is right or wrong. That says to me we're gonna pick a fight and we're not gonna back down. Now if these above statements have offended you please stop reading this because it's going nowhere but downhill from here. The Iraqi war is a perfect example. Granted Suddam Heussein was a terrible tyrant and needed to be taken care of but we found him and he is on trial, but guess what? We didn't run. Yay go American Military! No. this is not my outlook on this. I mean you think a few of the soldiers would've caught on.

WTF? So we are not like the French who pander to anyone willing to buy their arms. We have balls and stand up to evil. That's NOT distinctly American-The Brits, Poles, Romanians, Australians, and a few others have that to.

When you're country is attacked and your countrymen murdered you don't fight then run. No. You fight and fight to WIN. FOR PETE'S SAKE WE ARE NOT THE FRENCH!



America has a history of de-seating Dictators becuase we as a Democracy think we need to shove Democracy down everyone's throat because our ideals are so great and they have a Dictator meaning they're some third world country with lots of resources(Iraq for instance). What if democracy isn't for them? What if a dictatorship is what they need? What if the country isn't ready for a responsability of being a Democratic nation. This would be the ideal government take on foriegn nations in my perfect world but if you think this is how the government acts about foreign nations you are sorley mistaken.

In Iraq you had a tinpot dictator who murdered 1 million of his own people. Look at the results from the last election-the Iraqi people love democracy.


Big oil industries don't want leaders put in place of dictators they want dictators who favor America put in place of Dictators. They don't want leaders put in who want to reform their countries culture or educate the common people. If leaders educated the common people they couldn't be exploited by Big buisness and Corporations making them useless to America. America and Corporation want leaders who will allow america to walk in take what they want and leave with what they want no questions asked. You put me in power therefore i let you do whatever you want. This shows what our government wants to happen to countries under our control.

The media is willing to cover up for the government. I'll say this straight out because it has allready been proven fact. Has everyone heard of what happened in Bosnia? What about Mozambique? Angola? All of these are places we went and literally practiced genocide. In Mozambique 1,000,000+ people were killed, and that's a rough estimate. In Angola 3,000,000 people killed. 3 million!!! How can the media ignore things like this you ask? Easily becuase the government has asked them kindly not to include that in today's report. Now if you would please subsitute the country Angola with the United States, now imagine 3 million people killed by the CIA here and no media company would cover it. Why?, because the government dosn't want you to know. The media is willing to cover up dangerous and important things like this just so the American people wont know and don't have to fear there government.

The media isn't willing to cover for the government. I'd be happy if the CIA killed 3 million, as long as they were the right 3 million.

Why does the media not care? Because it's fellow blacks doing the killing, and because people flat out don't care.


I think the main reason most american people are ignorent to most going ons like this because they're way to interested in what the media has to say, what the latest trend is and what's "cool" and "chic". Who the fuck cares what's "cool" and "chic" when our government is decieving us left and right!??!? The worst part being we pay so much attention to the media when it's the media that the government is using to decieve us. Like for instance with the right of freedom of the speech and many News stations denying they are slanted conservative or liberalist the two ways of thinking should have equal air time right? Well the conservative propaganda that the media is run and slanted towards liberalists is just plainly false. How can Liberalists be controlling the media when the three largest News Companies are owned by addmited Conservatives. Does that sound like equal air-time to you? I hope not. Another form of media that Conservatists "own" is radio and newspapers. If you believe that conservative ideals and views are shut out of the media do a little reasearch on Reed Irvine. Reed Irvine is a very conservative person and has a show on 200+ radio stations and a Newspaper column that gets in to 100+ newspapers. Now there are 1,700+ daily newspapers and a dozen or less are owned by addmited Liberalists. Meaning that the other 1,688 are owned by Conservatives. Sound like equal speech in the media to you?

There's no such thing as equal speech-it's free. If a liberal wants to start up his newspaper but it doesn't sell well that's too bad. Become conservative. The same thing for conservative new reporters-there aren't too many of them on the major news channel 'cept for FOX.

Now with the three freedoms of Speech,Press, and Religion someone could ideally declare themselves a prophet or god and begin a religion revolving around them. Then they can write a bible having to do with anything to do with the religion become tax exempt and because of freedom or religion not get persecuted over it. It sounds like the perfect scam to make money. Convert your home into a church and make it tax exempt then buy any number of buildings where you live and create a monopolly dealing with real estate. Now these Freedoms are very important to me and allow me to think like i do but when paired with religions being tax exempt they create a flawed duo. Without these ideals we would be nothing. Human instinct is one of the driving foces for religion. Do you think Christianity would've spread without the help of people who thought it was a great idea? No. It might have been a great idea for them but does that mean it's a good idea for me?What if i want to rationalize and think you know this god idea is sorta werid, he's eternal came from nothing and knows everything? But back then it was not a choice sort of thing and i understand that but times have changed and people need to change with the times. Call me a heathen call me whatever you want but I believe religious buildings being tax exempt is assinine.

In conclusion, The government wants you to be ignorant. There i said it. They want you ignorant so you are easily manipulated, because if the american people weren't so interested in what the media has to say and so interested in what is "cool" and "chic" they might pay attention to what's going on in the world and might form an opinion. What really bothers the powers at be, is they have to occasionally deal with human beings who have thoughts and interests of their own. That's always been a problem and as long as there are people around like you and me it will be a problem. Thank you.

Am i alone in my thoughts? am i crazy? give me your ideas.

Dude you need to stop hanging around DU and look at the world.

Kid I've got 7 years on you. Not trying to tower over you, but at 12 I thought a lot like you did. At 18 I opened my eyes and slapped myself for what I had previously though.

WTF? So we are not like the French who pander to anyone willing to buy their arms. We have balls and stand up to evil. That's NOT distinctly American-The Brits, Poles, Romanians, Australians, and a few others have that to.


The Romanians? Allying yourself with the Nazis and fighting as part of the Axis counts as standing up to evil?

The American people have been brain-washed. Now this being my opening comment you would guess this will be a shove my ideals down your throat and you must listen but it was in no way intentioned to do so. Now i was sitting around my house today and i got in a heated debate with a close friend of mine which spawned me to write this becuase i can't keep this bottled up any longer. For those interested i am a 13 year old American.

There's a beer cooler in my home that states "America home of the brave, These colors don't run." That to me says that we are a very totaltarian and militilistic country. That to me says that we're gonna fight until the death whether what we're doing is right or wrong. That says to me we're gonna pick a fight and we're not gonna back down. Now if these above statements have offended you please stop reading this because it's going nowhere but downhill from here. The Iraqi war is a perfect example. Granted Suddam Heussein was a terrible tyrant and needed to be taken care of but we found him and he is on trial, but guess what? We didn't run. Yay go American Military! No. this is not my outlook on this. I mean you think a few of the soldiers would've caught on.

America has a history of de-seating Dictators becuase we as a Democracy think we need to shove Democracy down everyone's throat because our ideals are so great and they have a Dictator meaning they're some third world country with lots of resources(Iraq for instance). What if democracy isn't for them? What if a dictatorship is what they need? What if the country isn't ready for a responsability of being a Democratic nation. This would be the ideal government take on foriegn nations in my perfect world but if you think this is how the government acts about foreign nations you are sorley mistaken.

Big oil industries don't want leaders put in place of dictators they want dictators who favor America put in place of Dictators. They don't want leaders put in who want to reform their countries culture or educate the common people. If leaders educated the common people they couldn't be exploited by Big buisness and Corporations making them useless to America. America and Corporation want leaders who will allow america to walk in take what they want and leave with what they want no questions asked. You put me in power therefore i let you do whatever you want. This shows what our government wants to happen to countries under our control.

The media is willing to cover up for the government. I'll say this straight out because it has allready been proven fact. Has everyone heard of what happened in Bosnia? What about Mozambique? Angola? All of these are places we went and literally practiced genocide. In Mozambique 1,000,000+ people were killed, and that's a rough estimate. In Angola 3,000,000 people killed. 3 million!!! How can the media ignore things like this you ask? Easily becuase the government has asked them kindly not to include that in today's report. Now if you would please subsitute the country Angola with the United States, now imagine 3 million people killed by the CIA here and no media company would cover it. Why?, because the government dosn't want you to know. The media is willing to cover up dangerous and important things like this just so the American people wont know and don't have to fear there government.

I think the main reason most american people are ignorent to most going ons like this because they're way to interested in what the media has to say, what the latest trend is and what's "cool" and "chic". Who the fuck cares what's "cool" and "chic" when our government is decieving us left and right!??!? The worst part being we pay so much attention to the media when it's the media that the government is using to decieve us. Like for instance with the right of freedom of the speech and many News stations denying they are slanted conservative or liberalist the two ways of thinking should have equal air time right? Well the conservative propaganda that the media is run and slanted towards liberalists is just plainly false. How can Liberalists be controlling the media when the three largest News Companies are owned by addmited Conservatives. Does that sound like equal air-time to you? I hope not. Another form of media that Conservatists "own" is radio and newspapers. If you believe that conservative ideals and views are shut out of the media do a little reasearch on Reed Irvine. Reed Irvine is a very conservative person and has a show on 200+ radio stations and a Newspaper column that gets in to 100+ newspapers. Now there are 1,700+ daily newspapers and a dozen or less are owned by addmited Liberalists. Meaning that the other 1,688 are owned by Conservatives. Sound like equal speech in the media to you?

Now with the three freedoms of Speech,Press, and Religion someone could ideally declare themselves a prophet or god and begin a religion revolving around them. Then they can write a bible having to do with anything to do with the religion become tax exempt and because of freedom or religion not get persecuted over it. It sounds like the perfect scam to make money. Convert your home into a church and make it tax exempt then buy any number of buildings where you live and create a monopolly dealing with real estate. Now these Freedoms are very important to me and allow me to think like i do but when paired with religions being tax exempt they create a flawed duo. Without these ideals we would be nothing. Human instinct is one of the driving foces for religion. Do you think Christianity would've spread without the help of people who thought it was a great idea? No. It might have been a great idea for them but does that mean it's a good idea for me?What if i want to rationalize and think you know this god idea is sorta werid, he's eternal came from nothing and knows everything? But back then it was not a choice sort of thing and i understand that but times have changed and people need to change with the times. Call me a heathen call me whatever you want but I believe religious buildings being tax exempt is assinine.

In conclusion, The government wants you to be ignorant. There i said it. They want you ignorant so you are easily manipulated, because if the american people weren't so interested in what the media has to say and so interested in what is "cool" and "chic" they might pay attention to what's going on in the world and might form an opinion. What really bothers the powers at be, is they have to occasionally deal with human beings who have thoughts and interests of their own. That's always been a problem and as long as there are people around like you and me it will be a problem. Thank you.

Am i alone in my thoughts? am i crazy? give me your ideas.

I started out on this thread thinking I could make a difference too :rolleyes:

Stay ignorant; you may make others unhappy, but you'll be happy, and blissfully unaware.

The Romanians? Allying yourself with the Nazis and fighting as part of the Axis counts as standing up to evil?
Huh? What are you saying?

The romanians were in Afghanistan and I beleive Iraq too.

The Axis died a long time ago.

The romanians were in Afghanistan and I beleive Iraq too.
The French are in Afghanistan too, and they offered to train Iraqi Police.

The Axis died a long time ago.
Indeed...I wonder why people make French surrender jokes then.

Huh? What are you saying?

The romanians were in Afghanistan and I beleive Iraq too.

The Axis died a long time ago.

I presume WWII finished a long time ago then, too.

When you're country is attacked and your countrymen murdered you don't fight then run. No. You fight and fight to WIN. FOR PETE'S SAKE WE ARE NOT THE FRENCH!

Indeed...I wonder why people make French surrender jokes then.

Because they are funny, and someone always rises to the bait.

Well.... That is a lot to digest. But...

I am not religious (sp?) and I disagree with the idea that having religious tax exemptions is bad. Religion (sp....) is a very important thing to many people- including our president (bad thing) so even if you think its bad, so many senators/representatives/the president get many votes from the christian croud, and are likely to try to do things that christians/conservatives/non-conservative christians will like. Dispite all that, the reason i think religous tax exemption is a good thing- MORALE- it makes people happy, and happy people are good. If you have churches chances are that you have soup kitchens, and it is a proven fact that poor people are happy when fed and happy= good. (It isn't so much religious tax exemption, it is non-profit orgizations) non-profit orginizations still have to pay taxes, just much less, and they dont have to pay taxes on income they make, an example would be donating to a church, are you saying that if i were to suddenly become religious and decide to donate money to a church it would have to be taxed based on the fact that it is unfair to others?

Anyhoo- why are you disagreeing with democracy. It works well and if people dont like it then.... Well they dont have to participate and then its not there business, in (most) democracy(ies) you have the choice wheather or not to participate. Therefore even if a country isn't "ready" for democracy, it can still happen, as long as a decent ammount of people vote it will determine the leader and those who wish to remain seperate from the process of democracy can and it wont adversely affect the process.



Big oil industries don't want leaders put in place of dictators they want dictators who favor America put in place of Dictators. They don't want leaders put in who want to reform their countries culture or educate the common people. If leaders educated the common people they couldn't be exploited by Big buisness and Corporations making them useless to America. America and Corporation want leaders who will allow america to walk in take what they want and leave with what they want no questions asked. You put me in power therefore i let you do whatever you want. This shows what our government wants to happen to countries under our control.



Ummmm.... Well... education... that is what our school system is for... Another thing. Why is it bad that our democracy is thwarting the big oil industries? But still, I dont see eye to eye with you, I dont feel very exploited by corporations, do you? Have you been personally robbed by a big company? Just dont make an assumption that big corporations are out to get us. (That is except for credit card companies. They exploit people like there is no tomarrow (sp?) )

How is being exploited the same as being made useless. Can you explain this more?

America and Corporation want leaders who will allow america to walk in take what they want and leave with what they want no questions asked.

Strong statement there. Some how I dont think that America wants this, but I 'm sure that corporations would....


There's a beer cooler in my home that states "America home of the brave, These colors don't run."

Well... Its a beer cooler, what do you expect, it wants people to buy beer and feel inspired when they drink it, not to tell you how america works.


I think the main reason most american people are ignorent to most going ons like this because they're way to interested in what the media has to say, what the latest trend is and what's "cool" and "chic". Who the fuck cares what's "cool" and "chic" when our government is decieving us left and right!??!? The worst part being we pay so much attention to the media when it's the media that the government is using to decieve us. Like for instance with the right of freedom of the speech and many News stations denying they are slanted conservative or liberalist the two ways of thinking should have equal air time right? Well the conservative propaganda that the media is run and slanted towards liberalists is just plainly false. How can Liberalists be controlling the media when the three largest News Companies are owned by addmited Conservatives. Does that sound like equal air-time to you? I hope not. Another form of media that Conservatists "own" is radio and newspapers. If you believe that conservative ideals and views are shut out of the media do a little reasearch on Reed Irvine. Reed Irvine is a very conservative person and has a show on 200+ radio stations and a Newspaper column that gets in to 100+ newspapers. Now there are 1,700+ daily newspapers and a dozen or less are owned by addmited Liberalists. Meaning that the other 1,688 are owned by Conservatives. Sound like equal speech in the media to you?

Ummm... Freedom and equality are different things. That is why even though slaves were freed by Lincoln, they did not actually get close to becoming equal untill well after Martin Luther King Jr.

I know that our country is susposed to be equal, equal, equal, fair, fair, fair. The world aint fair, dont know if you've figured that out yet, and even so...

Even if the "government wants you to be ignorant." Do you want you to be ignorant? Do your teachers want you to be ignorant, dispite what you probably think, no... The school system is not corrupt, the "No Child Left Behind Act" was admittedly a mistake, but it does not affect the fact that schools want you to be smart. It is not the media or the government who wants you ignorant, those people who are ignorant are most likely ignorant because they want to be, because they choose not to try to learn.


:O

I am done ranting at your rant, (my fingers are sleeping from that) so I sorry if i came across as attacking and disagreable (sp?) but i do think that bush, is well... for one thing ( BUSH DONT LIKE BLACK PEOPLE ) [had to get that out of my system] an @$$hole. :P
i dont really like how america runs things either, i just think you are grabbing the wrong bull with this.
O.K. i am done, my ring finger is asleep, can't type anymore.

(Augh I bet my grammar/spelling in this was horrible, sorry to all that had to barrel through it)

Please people, don't quote the entire rant when answering it. I only want to read it once.

yeah that is kind of annoying, I just took out excerpts to make it clear as to what I was refering.

There's a beer cooler in my home that states "America home of the brave, These colors don't run." That to me says that we are a very totaltarian and militilistic country.

Your first problem is that you're starting off this rant with a thought that sprung from reading some hackneyed slogan off the side of a beer cooler.

That to me says that we're gonna fight until the death whether what we're doing is right or wrong. That says to me we're gonna pick a fight and we're not gonna back down.

You might want to take note that, until recently, any war or conflict between nations ended with the loser being utterly annihilated. That tends to create an instinctive "never give in" attitude, which in general is a good thing for any nation to have, both militarily and socially.

The Iraqi war is a perfect example. Granted Suddam Heussein was a terrible tyrant and needed to be taken care of but we found him and he is on trial, but guess what? We didn't run. Yay go American Military! No. this is not my outlook on this. I mean you think a few of the soldiers would've caught on.

A perfect example of what? Not backing down? There are plenty of people who would like to see the U.S. leave tomorrow, but it simply isn't possible. The number of Iraqis killed so far would pale in comparison to what would happen if the U.S. left right now.

But of course, the whole thing is just a big self-administered circle-jerk for the American Military...it doesn't have the slightest thing to do with the Iraqi people. :rolleyes:

America has a history of de-seating Dictators becuase we as a Democracy think we need to shove Democracy down everyone's throat because our ideals are so great and they have a Dictator meaning they're some third world country with lots of resources(Iraq for instance).

You'll notice democracy has caught on quite well, especially in Europe and the western hemisphere. It obviously works well when a nation is ready to implement it. Overzealousness in the Cold War ensured that for every step foward, two steps backward soon followed.

Also, you seem to assume that all third world countries are dictatorships with lots of resources...you might want to check up on that a little.

What if democracy isn't for them? What if a dictatorship is what they need? What if the country isn't ready for a responsability of being a Democratic nation. This would be the ideal government take on foriegn nations in my perfect world but if you think this is how the government acts about foreign nations you are sorley mistaken.

I completely agree, but then again, I don't think countries should simply sit back and watch other nations slide further backwards into repression. Many nations are not ready for democracy...some are...and it's nearly impossible to tell without giving it a try. Sometimes the results are not pretty.

Big oil industries don't want leaders put in place of dictators they want dictators who favor America put in place of Dictators. They don't want leaders put in who want to reform their countries culture or educate the common people. If leaders educated the common people they couldn't be exploited by Big buisness and Corporations making them useless to America. America and Corporation want leaders who will allow america to walk in take what they want and leave with what they want no questions asked. You put me in power therefore i let you do whatever you want. This shows what our government wants to happen to countries under our control.

It's not up to leaders to educate people, it's up to the people to educate themselves.

Every nation wants leaders who will enable the country to do whatever it likes with little or no fuss.

Also, try not to bring up the whole "OMG, teh oilz corporations!1!!!1" idea. It carries some weight, but the idea that America (and other nations for that matter) are heavily influenced by big buisness is nothing new. Simply bringing up that fact, more often that not, makes ones arguments less substantive.

The media is willing to cover up for the government. I'll say this straight out because it has allready been proven fact. Has everyone heard of what happened in Bosnia? What about Mozambique? Angola? All of these are places we went and literally practiced genocide. In Mozambique 1,000,000+ people were killed, and that's a rough estimate. In Angola 3,000,000 people killed. 3 million!!!

I'll let someone else cover Bosnia, if they feel it's necessary.

Angola was first an independence movement against Portugal, then a three way Civil War, then a two way Civil War prodded on by both Americans and the Soviets until the end of the Cold War. Hostilities have yet to really end there. They've been killing eachother for over a decade since America and the Eastern Bloc lost any interest.

Mozambique was also an independence movement, and when independence was achieved, they aligned with the Eastern Bloc. They then offered aid to revolutionary movements in the region with similar views, and neighboring nations countered this with support for resistance movements in Mozambique.

But of course, all the deaths there are the CIAs fault. :rolleyes:

Conflicts in Africa are never as they appear to be, and the blame for them can hardly be placed at the feet of any American social or political institution.

How can the media ignore things like this you ask? Easily becuase the government has asked them kindly not to include that in today's report. Now if you would please subsitute the country Angola with the United States, now imagine 3 million people killed by the CIA here and no media company would cover it. Why?, because the government dosn't want you to know. The media is willing to cover up dangerous and important things like this just so the American people wont know and don't have to fear there government.

The media are driven by profit, just like any other buisness. Advertising and subscription are their lifeblood. Few in America would care about a war in Angola, so the media doesn't run it. It is also entirely likely that, if the U.S. government asked the media not to run a story, then that media entity would run the story anyways, simply because the government asked them not to.

I think the main reason most american people are ignorent to most going ons like this because they're way to interested in what the media has to say, what the latest trend is and what's "cool" and "chic". Who the fuck cares what's "cool" and "chic" when our government is decieving us left and right!??!? The worst part being we pay so much attention to the media when it's the media that the government is using to decieve us.

Last time I checked, media in this nation was still privately owned. Otherwise, why the hell would the New York Times break the story about Bush's dubious wiretaps? The idea of a government/media conspiracy is nothing new. The fact that nobody has any real evidence to support such claims is nothing new either.

Like for instance with the right of freedom of the speech and many News stations denying they are slanted conservative or liberalist the two ways of thinking should have equal air time right? Well the conservative propaganda that the media is run and slanted towards liberalists is just plainly false. How can Liberalists be controlling the media when the three largest News Companies are owned by addmited Conservatives. Does that sound like equal air-time to you? I hope not. Another form of media that Conservatists "own" is radio and newspapers. If you believe that conservative ideals and views are shut out of the media do a little reasearch on Reed Irvine. Reed Irvine is a very conservative person and has a show on 200+ radio stations and a Newspaper column that gets in to 100+ newspapers. Now there are 1,700+ daily newspapers and a dozen or less are owned by addmited Liberalists. Meaning that the other 1,688 are owned by Conservatives. Sound like equal speech in the media to you?

Once again, media is private here in America. If the media happens to be owned by conservatives, it is because more consertatives chose that profession, and/or were more successful at it.

You seem to think that equal speech in the media is mandated somehow. It isn't, never has been. Objectivity is a falsehood in media. One cannot possibly present an unbiased viewpoint from every side of a particular story. There are always far too many shades of grey.

Now with the three freedoms of Speech, Press, and Religion someone could ideally declare themselves a prophet or god and begin a religion revolving around them. Then they can write a bible having to do with anything to do with the religion become tax exempt and because of freedom or religion not get persecuted over it. It sounds like the perfect scam to make money. Convert your home into a church and make it tax exempt then buy any number of buildings where you live and create a monopolly dealing with real estate. Now these Freedoms are very important to me and allow me to think like i do but when paired with religions being tax exempt they create a flawed duo. Without these ideals we would be nothing. Human instinct is one of the driving foces for religion. Do you think Christianity would've spread without the help of people who thought it was a great idea? No.

And therein lies the flaw in your argument. Obviously for the whole "religious tax scam" idea you have illustrated to work, people have to agree with and become devoted to your new religion.

Obviously, new religions pop up everywhere, but I don't see anything even approaching the ability to buy buildings, create monopolies, or anything other than some fool with an axe to grind who happened to find a few like-minded people.

It might have been a great idea for them but does that mean it's a good idea for me? What if i want to rationalize and think you know this god idea is sorta werid, he's eternal came from nothing and knows everything? But back then it was not a choice sort of thing and i understand that but times have changed and people need to change with the times. Call me a heathen call me whatever you want but I believe religious buildings being tax exempt is assinine.

Your sidetrack on Christianity doesn't beg for comment, but I believe I covered your comments on tax-exemption for religious organizations.

In conclusion, The government wants you to be ignorant. There i said it. They want you ignorant so you are easily manipulated, because if the american people weren't so interested in what the media has to say and so interested in what is "cool" and "chic" they might pay attention to what's going on in the world and might form an opinion. What really bothers the powers at be, is they have to occasionally deal with human beings who have thoughts and interests of their own. That's always been a problem and as long as there are people around like you and me it will be a problem. Thank you.

The government doesn't want you ignorant, just apathetic. Ignorant people don't help much to create a robust economy. If the American people weren't so interested in the media, they would pay NO attention to what was going on in the world because, for better or worse, the media is our window to the world.

Thinkers do bother governments, at least some of the time. Society always needs gadflys. That doesn't mean that government is some monolithic, unsympathetic entity with no thought for the people it governs. All it means is that, every once in a while, government, and society as a whole, needs a little push in the right direction.

Am i alone in my thoughts? am i crazy? give me your ideas.

Not alone, although I disagree...
Not crazy, as far as I can tell...:)

The American people have been brain-washed. Now this being my opening comment you would guess this will be a shove my ideals down your throat and you must listen but it was in no way intentioned to do so. Now i was sitting around my house today and i got in a heated debate with a close friend of mine which spawned me to write this becuase i can't keep this bottled up any longer. For those interested i am a 13 year old American.

There's a beer cooler in my home that states "America home of the brave, These colors don't run." That to me says that we are a very totaltarian and militilistic country. That to me says that we're gonna fight until the death whether what we're doing is right or wrong. That says to me we're gonna pick a fight and we're not gonna back down. Now if these above statements have offended you please stop reading this because it's going nowhere but downhill from here. The Iraqi war is a perfect example. Granted Suddam Heussein was a terrible tyrant and needed to be taken care of but we found him and he is on trial, but guess what? We didn't run. Yay go American Military! No. this is not my outlook on this. I mean you think a few of the soldiers would've caught on.

America has a history of de-seating Dictators becuase we as a Democracy think we need to shove Democracy down everyone's throat because our ideals are so great and they have a Dictator meaning they're some third world country with lots of resources(Iraq for instance). What if democracy isn't for them? What if a dictatorship is what they need? What if the country isn't ready for a responsability of being a Democratic nation. This would be the ideal government take on foriegn nations in my perfect world but if you think this is how the government acts about foreign nations you are sorley mistaken.

Big oil industries don't want leaders put in place of dictators they want dictators who favor America put in place of Dictators. They don't want leaders put in who want to reform their countries culture or educate the common people. If leaders educated the common people they couldn't be exploited by Big buisness and Corporations making them useless to America. America and Corporation want leaders who will allow america to walk in take what they want and leave with what they want no questions asked. You put me in power therefore i let you do whatever you want. This shows what our government wants to happen to countries under our control.

The media is willing to cover up for the government. I'll say this straight out because it has allready been proven fact. Has everyone heard of what happened in Bosnia? What about Mozambique? Angola? All of these are places we went and literally practiced genocide. In Mozambique 1,000,000+ people were killed, and that's a rough estimate. In Angola 3,000,000 people killed. 3 million!!! How can the media ignore things like this you ask? Easily becuase the government has asked them kindly not to include that in today's report. Now if you would please subsitute the country Angola with the United States, now imagine 3 million people killed by the CIA here and no media company would cover it. Why?, because the government dosn't want you to know. The media is willing to cover up dangerous and important things like this just so the American people wont know and don't have to fear there government.

I think the main reason most american people are ignorent to most going ons like this because they're way to interested in what the media has to say, what the latest trend is and what's "cool" and "chic". Who the fuck cares what's "cool" and "chic" when our government is decieving us left and right!??!? The worst part being we pay so much attention to the media when it's the media that the government is using to decieve us. Like for instance with the right of freedom of the speech and many News stations denying they are slanted conservative or liberalist the two ways of thinking should have equal air time right? Well the conservative propaganda that the media is run and slanted towards liberalists is just plainly false. How can Liberalists be controlling the media when the three largest News Companies are owned by addmited Conservatives. Does that sound like equal air-time to you? I hope not. Another form of media that Conservatists "own" is radio and newspapers. If you believe that conservative ideals and views are shut out of the media do a little reasearch on Reed Irvine. Reed Irvine is a very conservative person and has a show on 200+ radio stations and a Newspaper column that gets in to 100+ newspapers. Now there are 1,700+ daily newspapers and a dozen or less are owned by addmited Liberalists. Meaning that the other 1,688 are owned by Conservatives. Sound like equal speech in the media to you?

Now with the three freedoms of Speech,Press, and Religion someone could ideally declare themselves a prophet or god and begin a religion revolving around them. Then they can write a bible having to do with anything to do with the religion become tax exempt and because of freedom or religion not get persecuted over it. It sounds like the perfect scam to make money. Convert your home into a church and make it tax exempt then buy any number of buildings where you live and create a monopolly dealing with real estate. Now these Freedoms are very important to me and allow me to think like i do but when paired with religions being tax exempt they create a flawed duo. Without these ideals we would be nothing. Human instinct is one of the driving foces for religion. Do you think Christianity would've spread without the help of people who thought it was a great idea? No. It might have been a great idea for them but does that mean it's a good idea for me?What if i want to rationalize and think you know this god idea is sorta werid, he's eternal came from nothing and knows everything? But back then it was not a choice sort of thing and i understand that but times have changed and people need to change with the times. Call me a heathen call me whatever you want but I believe religious buildings being tax exempt is assinine.

In conclusion, The government wants you to be ignorant. There i said it. They want you ignorant so you are easily manipulated, because if the american people weren't so interested in what the media has to say and so interested in what is "cool" and "chic" they might pay attention to what's going on in the world and might form an opinion. What really bothers the powers at be, is they have to occasionally deal with human beings who have thoughts and interests of their own. That's always been a problem and as long as there are people around like you and me it will be a problem. Thank you.

Am i alone in my thoughts? am i crazy? give me your ideas.


well your right.

(i didn't read it all but I'm lazy anyway, that and drunk, lots of type hurst my eyes)


BUT, I'll do my duty as an American soldier and go wherever I'm assigned, do my duty, protect my battle buddies and drink water and drive on(army saying)


so yah, whatever.

This thread really needs two things.


1: Bow chica wow wow

2: Bush ordered the 9/11 world trade towers to be knocked down! Osama is dead! Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11! We sold Saddam his wmds in 1989 anyway! Great Britain is going to take over the world and murder 70% of the Earth's population! Scientologists are RIGHT.


Explanation for #1 - none needed.

Explanation for #2 - This thread needed some conspiracy theories.

point number one of the above post has my WHOLE HEARTED SUPPORT

Explanation for #2 - This thread needed some conspiracy theories.

The original post didn't have enough for you? :p

The original post didn't have enough for you? :p

They weren't nearly extreme enough.


Government and Religous corruption is small game.