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The oh so prescient and talented new leader of the conservative party, David Cameron, having contested a fraudulent fallacy of an election camapaign, has now contrived to become even more oppurtunistic and un-principled, abandoning the principle of compulsory medical insurance in preference to an escalation in expenditure in an inherently socialist NHS. Why on earth David Cameron was selected in preference to Davis I cannot comprehend.

The oh so prescient and talented new leader of the conservative party, David Cameron, having contested a fraudulent fallacy of an election camapaign, has now contrived to become even more oppurtunistic and un-principled, abandoning the principle of compulsory medical insurance in preference to an escalation in expenditure in an inherently socialist NHS. Why on earth David Cameron was selected in preference to Davis I cannot comprehend.

As he's such a newbie to politics, can I ask what he'd have to do to gain your approval?:)

Elgesh']As he's such a newbie to politics, can I ask what he'd have to do to gain your approval?:)

Win an election without emulating Tony Blair in becoming an unprincipled oppurtunist.

This is democracy the parties don't care about what they stand for the reason the NHS is being supported is because people want it to be

You could say it’s a flaw in the democratic system that a party that supports the rich works to help the poor but if (and a big if) the conservatives finally win an election you will see the NHS crumble under cuts

The oh so prescient and talented new leader of the conservative party, David Cameron, having contested a fraudulent fallacy of an election camapaign, has now contrived to become even more oppurtunistic and un-principled, abandoning the principle of compulsory medical insurance in preference to an escalation in expenditure in an inherently socialist NHS. Why on earth David Cameron was selected in preference to Davis I cannot comprehend.
David Cameron was chosen in place of David Davis because the Tories saw the way they were perceived by the general public - stuffy and old. By voting Davis in, they would have continued to present that image to the public. As with all politics, the election battles are also fought on a PR front as well as the issues. The conservatives want to win the PR front, hence they choose the younger, more vibrant, go-getting option. I imagine they thought they could control him, or perhaps party consensus was to become a party of the people rather than the elite. Whatever; all it really means is that they think that change and looks are more important than a strong, constant position.

And they're probably right - it worked wonders for the Labour govt. back in the mid '90s.

This is democracy the parties don't care about what they stand for the reason the NHS is being supported is because people want it to be

You could say it’s a flaw in the democratic system that a party that supports the rich works to help the poor but if (and a big if) the conservatives finally win an election you will see the NHS crumble under cuts

Personally, I envisage a large Tory majority in 2009, if only due to the anticipated economic regression we may now endure,and we can but hope that the NHS does crunble, and be replaced by a more efficient system.

Personally, I envisage a large Tory majority in 2009, if only due to the anticipated economic regression we may now endure,and we can but hope that the NHS does crunble, and be replaced by a more efficient system.

liberal democrats are already pushing the Tory’s out the way in 2009 the Tories will just be another party that no one cares about (like the BNP)

Not that I support the Liberal democrats what with there lets go in-between stance but when was the last bad thing you heard about them?

liberal democrats are already pushing the Tory’s out the way in 2009 the Tories will just be another party that no one cares about (like the BNP)

Not that I support the Liberal democrats what with there lets go in-between stance but when was the last bad thing you heard about them?

-Charles Kennedy

-socialist levels of taxation upo the majority of the middle and upper classes.

-no defined economic policy

-no politically renowned MP's

-socialist social policy that would estrange and disenchant the middle and upper classes.

Personally, I envisage a large Tory majority in 2009, if only due to the anticipated economic regression we may now endure,and we can but hope that the NHS does crunble, and be replaced by a more efficient system.

I want the NHS. My family couldn't possibly afford for my great aunt's eye treatment, my grandma's cancer, my dad's cancer, my granda's embolism etc etc. They've paid into the NHS all their lives, which comfortably well off middle class politician will take away their right to treatment?

I agree the NHS constantly needs regulation and looking at, but it's a great idea that deserves to be kept. Support for a politician and his party, for me, depends on them promising to keep the NHS free at the point of delivery. Fair play to Cameron for changing the emphasis of his party's stance early enough for it not to be an issue by the time of the next election.

Personally, I envisage a large Tory majority in 2009, if only due to the anticipated economic regression we may now endure,and we can but hope that the NHS does crunble, and be replaced by a more efficient system.
The 'anticipated economic regression' has been anticipated from as far back as 2000. I'll agree that the current economic climate is suggesting a slowdown in growth, but growth has been consistently low (but steady) for a very long time now. I'm sure you don't need reminding that this is one of the longest periods of sustained growth...ever.

As for the NHS - yes it is flawed, but I cannot envisage the Tories being able to do anything better with our Health system. You seem to be forgetting the terrible hash the tories made of the healthcare system the last time they were allowed anywhere near it. People have been saying the NHS needs a complete overhaul for years now, and yet no-one has done anything about it.

Well that's what comes of selling everything to the lowest bidders...

heres hoping Scotland will be free of dealing with the consequences of political turds such as the Tories

I'm pretty libertarian but I'd still love the health service.

Heck if people are sick they can get cured and go back to work sooner so good for the economy. And if someone is sick by being cured quciker its less likely to spread to other people, and I think its in my benefit that people walking down the street won't make me ill.

heres hoping Scotland will be free of dealing with the consequences of political turds such as the Tories
what a mature, relevant, and closely reasoned contribution:rolleyes: