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Straight forward question.

Probably not; I mean, he honestly hasn't done anything bad enough to go to hell. He'll probably be in the same boat as Clinton.

I don't believe in hell, but he should have gone home a long time ago...

If I believed in it I guess yes ... or should anyways

If I believed in it I guess yes ... or should anyways


*nods*

No. He'll merely rot like the rest of us. Unless he has some other arrangement. Personally, I'd like to see my organs donated and my flesh eaten by whoever's willing.

No. He'll merely rot like the rest of us. Unless he has some other arrangement. Personally, I'd like to see my organs donated and my flesh eaten by whoever's willing.
Well, you sort of have to suspend reality and take hell and heaven as real places in order to be on this thread.

Who gives a shit?

-Straight forward answer.

How about you come up with something intelligent and thought provoking to post rather than just start the same tired arguments about both Bush and Christianity? The fact is, no one truely knows if Heaven or Hell even exist, much less how to really prevent yourself from going to Hell after you die. It's a stupid thing to argue about.

Oh, and for every Christian who gives an answer, according to your religion you have no right to judge another human. To you, God should be the ultimate judge.

So, in the end, this topic has absolutely no point. Christians (and even Jews for that matter) can't answer if they actually follow their religion, and no one else can either because they don't believe in the Judeo-Christian Hell.

Who gives a shit?

-Straight forward answer.

How about you come up with something intelligent and thought provoking to post rather than just start the same tired arguments about both Bush and Christianity? The fact is, no one truely knows if Heaven or Hell even exist, much less how to really prevent yourself from going to Hell after you die. It's a stupid thing to argue about.

Oh, and for every Christian who gives an answer, according to your religion you have no right to judge another human. To you, God should be the ultimate judge.

So, in the end, this topic has absolutely no point. Christians (and even Jews for that matter) can't answer if they actually follow their religion, and no one else can either because they don't believe in the Judeo-Christian Hell.
I take away your right to use humor ever again. -God

No. He'll merely rot like the rest of us. Unless he has some other arrangement. Personally, I'd like to see my organs donated and my flesh eaten by whoever's willing.
I would, I really would, but I'm vegetarian. I was going to donate my body to the University of Tennessee's body farm. Or just to medical science.

I take away your right to use humor ever again. -God

The thing is, Desperate Measures, humor, by definition, is supposed to be amusing. This thread, including your post and poll, are prime examples of stupidity, among other things.

I believe he has already been to Iraq.[/Joke]

The thing is, Desperate Measures, humor, by definition, is supposed to be amusing. This thread, including your post and poll, are prime examples of stupidity, among other things.
What other things?
Also, have you ever heard of the Wisdom of a Crowd?

"As it happens, the possibilities of group intelligence, at least when it came to judging questions of fact, were demonstrated by a host of experiments conducted by American sociologists and psychologists between 1920 and the mid-1950s, the heyday of research into group dynamics. Although in general, as we'll see, the bigger the crowd the better, the groups in most of these early experiments—which for some reason remained relatively unknown outside of academia—were relatively small. Yet they nonetheless performed very well.

The Columbia sociologist Hazel Knight kicked things off with a series of studies in the early 1920s, the first of which had the virtue of simplicity. In that study Knight asked the students in her class to estimate the room's temperature, and then took a simple average of the estimates. The group guessed 72.4 degrees, while the actual temperature was 72 degrees. This was not, to be sure, the most auspicious beginning, since classroom temperatures are so stable that it's hard to imagine a class's estimate being too far off base. But in the years that followed, far more convincing evidence emerged, as students and soldiers across America were subjected to a barrage of puzzles, intelligence tests, and word games.

The sociologist Kate H. Gordon asked two hundred students to rank items by weight, and found that the group's "estimate" was 94 percent accurate, which was better than all but five of the individual guesses. In another experiment students were asked to look at ten piles of buckshot—each a slightly different size than the rest—that had been glued to a piece of white cardboard, and rank them by size. This time, the group's guess was 94.5 percent accurate. A classic demonstration of group intelligence is the jelly-beans-in-the-jar experiment, in which invariably the group's estimate is superior to the vast majority of the individual guesses. When finance professor Jack Treynor ran the experiment in his class with a jar that held 850 beans, the group estimate was 871. Only one of the fifty-six people in the class made a better guess."
http://www.randomhouse.com/features/wisdomofcrowds/excerpt.html

We may very well find out where Bush is going if all of us put our mind to it.

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I would, I really would, but I'm vegetarian. I was going to donate my body to the University of Tennessee's body farm. Or just to medical science.
Does it matter that you're a vegetarian if I want you to eat me. Maybe someone could make furniture out of my bones or something. I just don't want to see me go to waste.

God yes, warmongering fool that he is.

No, dying wouldn't send him to hell.

If he was going to hell, he'd go to a liberal campus in the heart of Democrat territory... :p

I would, I really would, but I'm vegetarian. I was going to donate my body to the University of Tennessee's body farm. Or just to medical science.
omg, I am donating my body to the body farm. My husband knows it's donate all organs that are useful and ship me to the body farm I really need to get it written down all legal though because my family is very unhappy with my choice.

I used to want to be a forensic pathologist though, I didn't get to, but this way I can support them (sorta)


oh and on topic, I have no idea, I'm not God, I'm just Smunkee

No, dying wouldn't send him to hell.

If he was going to hell, he'd go to a liberal campus in the heart of Democrat territory... :p
Massachussetts?

Massachussetts?
At the wedding ceremony for a homosexual couple.

At the wedding ceremony for a homosexual couple.

An interracial homosexual couple.

An interracial homosexual couple.
an interracial homosexual couple.........of different faiths:eek:

sorry, I had to do it.

An interracial homosexual couple.

wearing Cindy Sheehan shirts

The selection panel is stacked with ex-lobbists, oil executives and other captains of industry. You people obviously still understimate the republican party.

Maybe I should post a new poll:
Is Bush going to a Liberal College in Massachussetts to attend the wedding of an interacial, homosexual couple of different faiths at which both the groom and groom (or bride and bride) are wearing Cindy Sheehan T-Shirts? AKA: Hell.

Does it matter that you're a vegetarian if I want you to eat me. Maybe someone could make furniture out of my bones or something. I just don't want to see me go to waste.
I'd make furniture out of your bones. Someone else could have the meat. Although if no one else wants you, I will eat you.

omg, I am donating my body to the body farm. My husband knows it's donate all organs that are useful and ship me to the body farm I really need to get it written down all legal though because my family is very unhappy with my choice.

I used to want to be a forensic pathologist though, I didn't get to, but this way I can support them (sorta)
My family are fairly confused as to why I want to do it, even after I explained that I don't care what happens to my body so I might as well do something useful with it. It'll cost them a fortune though, shipping my body across from England...

Maybe I should post a new poll:
Is Bush going to a Liberal College in Massachussetts to attend the wedding of an interacial, homosexual couple of different faiths at which both the groom and groom (or bride and bride) are wearing Cindy Sheehan T-Shirts? AKA: Hell.

AKA: His Hell

We're on NS, man, that's got to be someone's idea of heaven!

I doubt it. He has too many connections.

My family are fairly confused as to why I want to do it, even after I explained that I don't care what happens to my body so I might as well do something useful with it. It'll cost them a fortune though, shipping my body across from England...
I am actually not too far, I think we figured out it would cost something like $350 American to ship me. (yes we called around and price-shopped)

My family is very confused, I have the one half that thinks it's morbid, and the other half that think it's against "God's law", they have this huge problem with it because I won't have a grave marker and "God won't be able to find you when the rapture happens" yeah I know they are idiots, like God doesn't know exactly where I am all the time now, that suddenly when I quit moving so much he will lose track :rolleyes: I really could care less what happens to my body after I die, my first inclination was to dispose of it as cheaply as possible, but then I heard about the body farm and thought "that would be doing something good with rotting flesh"

lol - maybe you can put a forwarding address in with the Church you attend.

Probably not; I mean, he honestly hasn't done anything bad enough to go to hell. He'll probably be in the same boat as Clinton.

Being unfaithful to your wife, causing two wars that took countless lives.. I see your logic.

yeah, that side of my family is still mad that we had my dad cremated when he died, he said "dump me in a hole or toast me and put my ashes in a Jack daniels bottle" and it turns out that it was cheaper to do the jack daniels thing, so we did. ;) I am sure they think he is in a respectable urn or scattered in a lake somewhere, but he is on my sister's nightstand, in a wiskey bottle:p

Elgesh']AKA: His Hell

We're on NS, man, that's got to be someone's idea of heaven!
You're right... let's just go back to the fire and brimstone.

Not possible. Bush is a professing Christian.

Not possible. Bush is a professing Christian.

So were Benito Mussolini, Jim Jones, David Koresh, Timothy McVeigh... any more examples of "Professing Christians"?

Personally I hope Bush shares the same spot of Hell as Nixon.

Being unfaithful to your wife, causing two wars that took countless lives.. I see your logic.

Clinton is definetly gonna burn for that :D.

So were Benito Mussolini, Jim Jones, David Koresh, Timothy McVeigh... any more examples of "Professing Christians"?

Personally I hope Bush shares the same spot of Hell as Nixon.

And they're going to be in Heaven. No sin is too great that Christ cannot wipe away.

Nixon? What the hell did he do?

Dad voted for the guy so he can't be that bad.

Of course he is. He has been chosen by The Big Metal Claw In The Sky.

Who gives a shit?

-Straight forward answer.

How about you come up with something intelligent and thought provoking to post rather than just start the same tired arguments about both Bush and Christianity? The fact is, no one truely knows if Heaven or Hell even exist, much less how to really prevent yourself from going to Hell after you die. It's a stupid thing to argue about.

Oh, and for every Christian who gives an answer, according to your religion you have no right to judge another human. To you, God should be the ultimate judge.

So, in the end, this topic has absolutely no point. Christians (and even Jews for that matter) can't answer if they actually follow their religion, and no one else can either because they don't believe in the Judeo-Christian Hell.
*starts slow applause*

I don't believe an all powerful Creator, or even a Creator who is just pretty powerful, would create a hell.

Georgie lucked out.

He will be going to Hell as soon as his Presidency is over and he has to spend more time at home with his wife and out of control kids.

He will be going to Hell as soon as his Presidency is over and he has to spend more time at home with his wife and out of control kids.

Don't forget his overbearing mother.

Bush will go to hell because he's killed alot of people in the various things and deals he's done. Too add tot hat person who said something about no one knows if hell exists or how to not go to it or whatever. One sure way of not going to hell is being good and not bad.

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Why haven't the M0ds M0db0mbed the thread yet? It has reached the pinnacle of stupidity

It is hard to go somewhere that doesn't exist.

And they're going to be in Heaven. No sin is too great that Christ cannot wipe away.

Except being homosexual and liberal apparently.

Got to love a religion that says you can spend all your life being something as horrible as a child molesting serial killer (and since you're probably going to be cute, that is a hypothetical example, not naming any of these so-called "Professing Christians" specifically) but if you accept Christ as your savior just before you die, you get into Heaven.

Unless you're a Democratic Fag in which case God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit all hate you and no matter what you do you'll burn in Hell.

Nixon? What the hell did he do?

I'll assume you're just being cute and snarky because you'd have to be living out in the wilds of Montana or some deserted island to not have heard of Watergate.

Dad voted for the guy so he can't be that bad.

Considering he's your dad, nobody should be surprised you see it that way. Apples don't fall far from the tree as the old worn-out cliché goes.

If Bush does go to hell, he can join Fidel.

Heaven, surely.. there shouldn't be much need for politics there, should there? I wouldn't mind meeting up with some of our better past presidents there if I were to go to heaven, as doubtful as that would be.. :p

If I believed in it I guess yes ... or should anyways
Yep. There are times when I wish that hell actually exists, simply because I believe certain people belong there.

Heaven, surely.. there shouldn't be much need for politics there, should there? I wouldn't mind meeting up with some of our better past presidents there if I were to go to heaven, as doubtful as that would be.. :p
I really don't think you gave the order to invade a nation based on liiiiiieeees.

Unless something's going on here that I don't know about.

I really don't think you gave the order to invade a nation based on liiiiiieeees.

Unless something's going on here that I don't know about.

Yeah, there's some stuff no one should know about that should keep me outside the gates.. if installing democracy at too high a price is a disqualifying sin, it surely isn't the only one, and unlike W or Colin Powell, or Donnie R., I can't exactly claim to have done wrong based on 'faulty intelligence..' :(

Certainly not hell, that's reserved for REAL genocidal madmen, such as Hitler and Pol Pot. But he might not be nice enough for Heaven, so I'm gonna go the safe way and vote that he's going to Purgatory.

Certainly not hell, that's reserved for REAL genocidal madmen, such as Hitler and Pol Pot. But he might not be nice enough for Heaven, so I'm gonna go the safe way and vote that he's going to Purgatory.
I'm guessing your hell has a lot of vacancies then.

I voted that he's going to Heaven cuasehe's a good guy in his heart he just isn't very good at being nice.

I hope he loses his soul completely so he gets sucked into oblivion and will have no afterlife.

But since I doubt that, if I go by the Dante's Inferno version of hell, he'll end up in Limbo. (1st Level of Hell)

Certainly not hell, that's reserved for REAL genocidal madmen, such as Hitler and Pol Pot. But he might not be nice enough for Heaven, so I'm gonna go the safe way and vote that he's going to Purgatory.
...and WHAT did the new "Pope" JUST say about "purgatory" this past week?

Straight forward question.

No.

Yes.

Maybe.

I don't care if he's going to hell or not...
the real problem is that he's bringing hell to earth!

I voted that he's going to Heaven cuasehe's a good guy in his heart he just isn't very good at being nice.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

I don't care if he's going to hell or not...
the real problem is that he's bringing hell to earth!
A-F*CKING-MEN.
*bows*

Heaven

Heaven
The numbers don't appear in your favour.
Time to seriously consider if Sartre was right.

The numbers don't appear in your favour.
Time to seriously consider if Sartre was right.
Hell is other people?

Straight forward question.

There are many possible reasons why he might go to hell. Not just recent reasons either. He was a suspect in a still unsolved murder. A credible suspect. *nod*

I wouldn't know, and neither would you, or you, or even you.

I wouldn't know, and neither would you, or you, or even you.
The Shadow Knows.

I'll go with D.

None of the above.

Meaning: Only God decides who goes where as He is the only one who knows what is in a person's heart. (IE. their true desires and motivations) AND only God truly knows if Bush has done anything wrong himself or if others have and he is the fall guy or if anything wrong has even occured.

I'm not going to pass judgment because I lack that authority.

All the Answers here are based on whether or not you personally like the guy or his administration. Therefore, if you were truly passing sentence, that would be a very biassed and unjust sentence indeed. No trial, etc.

That is not justice. That is Mob Rule (save your friends, kill everyone else)

Hell is other people?
...guess who gets a cookie!! Mmm-nummy!!!
*cajole cajole* ;)
That's what made me read him in the first place. I was working on what appears to be, after much reflection, one of almost TOO many theories. One i've not relinquished as of yet.

Something about rich men and a camel passing through a needle...


Anyway, he wouldn't be able to survive in heaven very long without pissing God off to the point that he gave him the flick for being a complete plonker...

Something about rich men and a camel passing through a needle...


Anyway, he wouldn't be able to survive in heaven very long without pissing God off to the point that he gave him the flick for being a complete plonker...
What's a plonker?

I could guess but I'd like to know.

i think that he'll burn a bit for a while...

What's a plonker?

I could guess but I'd like to know.

Plonker= complete idiot

Bush isn't a plonker; plonkers tend to be fairly harmless, well-meaning and likeable and Bush is none of these.

Something about rich men and a camel passing through a needle...

Funnily enough a lot of people tend forget that quote, I can't imagine why...

Plonker= complete idiot

Bush isn't a plonker; plonkers tend to be fairly harmless, well-meaning and likeable and Bush is none of these.
Amen to that.

although quite an amusing poll, one's dislike for the actions and/or political offiliation of the President of the United States does not justify condemning them to hell. President Bush is a devout Christian, and his faith will get him to the promised land, not his actions... other than that, interesting topic..

What an arrogant question: the only 'person' who knows for sure is the Creator.

Judge not, lest ye be judged.

he will just be buried in the ground. After all, there is no heaven, hell, or purgatory. And there is no god.

I may have disagreed with alot of the things Bush has done... But he is not evil.

Knowing him, he'll probably become a zombie and run for president.

Plonker= complete idiot

Bush isn't a plonker; plonkers tend to be fairly harmless, well-meaning and likeable and Bush is none of these.

Yeah but in heaven he isn't president of anything and doesn't have rove and cheney telling him who to bomb. He'd just be an idiot with no helpers staring blankly with a dumb smile..

although quite an amusing poll, one's dislike for the actions and/or political offiliation of the President of the United States does not justify condemning them to hell. President Bush is a devout Christian, and his faith will get him to the promised land, not his actions... other than that, interesting topic..
Because, certainly, YOU PERSONALLY KNOW HIM independently of his public actions. You know what's in his heart. :rolleyes:
A little ditty for ya ... Karl Rove and Valerie Plame went to the SAME church before the outing. And even Bush called him "turd blossom" for his actions and obvious nature. So you are coming to what conclusion about being devout? Because he's been seen in public acting like he's humble or believing in a power greater than himself?

I hold the opposate view of a lot of people; I think everyone winds up going to hell. Don't try to debate me on that, it's an article of blind faith.

I don't believe in hell, but he should have gone home a long time ago...
I don't believe in this mumbo-jumbo either, but yes, he should've gone there long ago already :rolleyes:

I hold the opposate view of a lot of people; I think everyone winds up going to hell. Don't try to debate me on that, it's an article of blind faith.

What are you talking about? We are ALREADY in hell.

And, for once, I find it impossible to vote in this poll. There is no 'myrth', 'other', 'even if I believed in hell Bush isn't that bad- just stupid', 'there is no hell', 'we are already in hell', or any option like those. There isn't even a "no".

Earth = Hell

I'd like to question that.

I think what we do to ourselves is worse than what others do to us.

So we create our own hell. It isn't really others who make hell for us.

There are many possible reasons why he might go to hell. Not just recent reasons either. He was a suspect in a still unsolved murder. A credible suspect. *nod*

Hmmm... I haven't heard that one. Details?

If Shrub goes to Heaven, then Satan will have scored a humongous propaganda victory.

What an arrogant question: the only 'person' who knows for sure is the Creator.

Judge not, lest ye be judged.

"He that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man." (1 Corinthians 2:15)

Don't send a guy to hell for trying to make some extra money.

Don't send a guy to hell for trying to make some extra money.

Going by that logic Stalin and Pol Pot should be in Heaven.

:rolleyes:

Well if he's given his life to Christ, then he's going to heaven.

If he hasn't (or doesn't), he'll go to hell.

(per Scripture)

The numbers don't appear in your favour.
Time to seriously consider if Sartre was right.

(I'm sure God cares whether or not he's popular)

I'll go with D.

None of the above.

Meaning: Only God decides who goes where as He is the only one who knows what is in a person's heart. (IE. their true desires and motivations) AND only God truly knows if Bush has done anything wrong himself or if others have and he is the fall guy or if anything wrong has even occured.

I'm not going to pass judgment because I lack that authority.

All the Answers here are based on whether or not you personally like the guy or his administration. Therefore, if you were truly passing sentence, that would be a very biassed and unjust sentence indeed. No trial, etc.

That is not justice. That is Mob Rule (save your friends, kill everyone else)

Amen to that... God (and only God) has the power to judge, and only God knows what's in a man's heart -- sorry, a person's heart.

(I'm sure God cares whether or not he's popular)
You probably don't even know who he is,
and further, it's pretty blasphemous for you to assume the thinking and priorities of god. Hail Mary's or flagellation for you, ya infidel.

Amen to that... God (and only God) has the power to judge, and only God knows what's in a man's heart -- sorry, a person's heart.
No, if the man/person isn't a moron/conservative fundamentalist, he/she DOESN'T HAVE PEOPLE TELLING HIM/HER WHAT'S IN HIS/HER HEART, and therefore isn't fettered with other people's licentious projections of moral bankruptcy, inferiority, infantile judgments and vitriol.
Amazingly enough there are people like that, and even more amazingly, you aren't even *CLOSE* to understanding that, it would appear.

EDIT: Further, it is YOUR judgments that bring YOU YOUR consequences, not ANYONE ELSE'S. Unless you are bereaved of soul and are an automaton, for which there would be no suffering and no intellectual capacity to SIN or make mistakes. That is the specific result of your apparent line of thinking. And, invariably, it's fallacious and/or INDEED self-defeating.

Well if he's given his life to Christ, then he's going to heaven.

If he hasn't (or doesn't), he'll go to hell.

(per Scripture)
PROVE IT.
NOT by analogy. PROVE IT by "scripture".

If Shrub goes to Heaven, then Satan will have scored a humongous propaganda victory.
Amen to THAT.
*bows*

What an arrogant question: the only 'person' who knows for sure is the Creator.

Judge not, lest ye be judged.
I'll be judged, sure.