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12 of 13 W. Va. Miners Confirmed Dead
AP - 1 hour, 34 minutes ago

TALLMANSVILLE, W.Va. - In a stunning and heartbreaking reversal, family members were told early Wednesday that 12 of 13 trapped coal miners were dead... *snip


http://news.yahoo.com/fc/us/sago_mine_explosion

News Stories

* Shocking turnabout: Sago Mine families told just 1 alive at Pittsburgh Post-Gazette - Wed, Jan 04, 2006

...*check date.. Nope.. its not April.*
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My comment:

this reminds me the TVnetworks in 2000....

this fiasco reminds me a lot of FOXnews and the other Networks @ the 2000 FloridaGate

WASHINGTON -- 2 hours, 9 minutes ago

BUSH Promises Mine Investigation...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060104/ap_on_go_pr_wh/mine_explosion_federal_2

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4579754.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4579754.stm

this pic says it all

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41181000/jpg/_41181574_papers_ap_story203.jpg

this pic says it all

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41181000/jpg/_41181574_papers_ap_story203.jpg well they got it wrong one is alive just

well they got it wrong one is alive just
Exactly. The media jumped to conclusions, as usual. If they'd held off for confirmation from the company involved, there'd be no such problem, but of course the media jumped over the first little bit of info to get through.

well they got it wrong one is alive justok.. this pic says it all

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20060104/capt.wv10201041554.aptopix_mine_explosion_wv102.jpg
Steven Scott of the Buckannon, W.Va., Donut Shop, changes a sign early Wednesday.. to reflect that only one miner (not 12) survived

Exactly. The media jumped to conclusions, as usual. If they'd held off for confirmation from the company involved, there'd be no such problem, but of course the media jumped over the first little bit of info to get through.


No. The media correctly reported what they were told by the families.

The mining company fucked up. They mistakenly told the families the miners had survived, then didn't correct themselves for three hours after they knew the truth.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Mine-Explosion-Confusion.html?pagewanted=print

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/04/national/04cnd-mine.html?ei=5094&en=79bd89da1524032c&hp=&ex=1136437200&partner=homepage&pagewanted=print

No. The media correctly reported what they were told by the families.

The mining company fucked up. They mistakenly told the families the miners had survived, then didn't correct themselves for three hours after they knew the truth.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Mine-Explosion-Confusion.html?pagewanted=print

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/04/national/04cnd-mine.html?ei=5094&en=79bd89da1524032c&hp=&ex=1136437200&partner=homepage&pagewanted=print
Actually, if you read the other thread about this, the mining company said NOTHING about the miners being alive. It was a piece of misinformation brought about by the rescuers saying "Checking vital signs", which led people to believe that they were alive, since they didn't take into account that checking for vital signs, even when a body isn't moving, is standard procedure in rescue situations.

This is why you shouldn't trust the media.

Hopefully they'll find the bastard that said they were alive and hang him by their toenails.

I was in West Virginia during this and the mood was not a happy one :(

My thoughts and prayers go out to the families of those that are deceased and pray that the lone survivor lives. He is in critical condition right now in a WV Hospitol.

He is in critical condition right now in a WV Hospitol.apparently when someone almost dies after prolonged exposure to monoxide.. they usually have brain damage :(

apparently when someone almost dies after prolonged exposure to monoxide.. they usually have brain damage :(

From what I have heard, and this was in WV, there appears to be no signs of CO exposure. I don't know how accurate that is but that is what I have heard in WV.

apparently when someone almost dies after prolonged exposure to monoxide.. they usually have brain damage :(
Yeah, because lack of oxygen causes brain damage before it kills you. 4 minutes without oxygen causes brain damage, 5 kills you, unless you're panicking and hyperventilating, in which case it would happen faster.

I thought they didn't send miners down without proper equipment these days, since there is very little oxygen down there...

I thought they didn't send miners down without proper equipment these days, since there is very little oxygen down there...

The Oxygen they carry is limited. That is why when something like this happens, you hope the find an air pocket. That is what happened here in PA at the mine collapse. THey found an air pocket and survived.

apparently when someone almost dies after prolonged exposure to monoxide.. they usually have brain damage :(

Sometimes forcing oxygen into the body can get rid of the carbon dioxide and prevent damage. I dont know what this man's injuries are though.

I do hope for his recovery and my thoughts are with all the families and friends of the men that died that just had a very cruel and miserable night.

there was probably enough oxygen in the mine, but the CO binds stronger to the haemoglobin than oxygen, so the blood can no longer bind to the oxygen and transport it. they would have needed a CO scrubber.

:confused: hmmm... my second time in moderation today...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=462419..

I think I should get ready.. you know... prepare my forum RIP stone.

there was probably enough oxygen in the mine, but the CO binds stronger to the haemoglobin than oxygen, so the blood can no longer bind to the oxygen and transport it. they would have needed a CO scrubber.
Was the fellow that survived in the same area as the twelve that died? Any decent graphics of the mine layout?