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The news is breaking. Thank you God for answering everyone's prayers.

My condolences to family of the one miner that was found dead earlier.

I'm very glad to hear that 12 miners have been rescued, but thank the rescuers, because they're the ones who pulled it off.

I'm very glad to hear that 12 miners have been rescued, but thank the rescuers, because they're the ones who pulled it off.
They pulled off the rescue, but their efforts wouldn't have been worth a damn if the miners succombed to CO. They found amounts of CO in the mine that should've been fatal, but the miners were saved by finding an O2 pocket.

great news. sucks about the one death though...

They pulled off the rescue, but their efforts wouldn't have been worth a damn if the miners succombed to CO. They found amounts of CO in the mine that should've been fatal, but the miners were saved by finding an O2 pocket.
I'm hunting around for the story--there's a breaking news headline on MSNBC, but no story yet. Like I said, very good news for those families.

I'm very glad to hear that 12 miners have been rescued, but thank the rescuers, because they're the ones who pulled it off.
Damn, those guys are good! Major kudos to them! Yayyy!

I'm hunting around for the story--there's a breaking news headline on MSNBC, but no story yet. Like I said, very good news for those families.
It's too soon for a written story. The news broke immediately from correspondents. Broadcasts are always ahead of written news.

I'm so glad they found them alive, the rescuers deserve more thanks than I can give. I knew I believed in miracles for a reason. :)

I always love to hear about anyone who beats death, that bastard!

There you go. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10682163/)

I applaud the people who made the rescue. Twelve out of thirteen miners rescued is a mighty fine day's work.

~ Romandeos.

does anyone know how that one miner died?

Yay!

They're saying he died in the explosion, but I haven't heard anything official yet.

does anyone know how that one miner died?
Carbon monoxide, I think the article said.

does anyone know how that one miner died?


Haven't heard yet, but asphyxiation is a possibility. Earlier today the said that CO levels in the shaft were several times safe levels. Althourgh, the others ore fine, so maybe not.

Does it really matter how the 13th died? He could have been crushed or suffocated. The point is his family will have to stand there while the other all go home. Fucking horrible.

Bad news breaking... :(

Washington post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/04/AR2006010400247.html)
SAGO, W.Va., Jan. 4 -- Stunned and weeping family members were told early Wednesday morning that 12 of the 13 miners trapped 12,000 feet into a mountainside since early Monday were found dead.

They were given the news about 2:00 a.m. Wednesday morning, just a few hours after being led to believe that all but one of the men were alive. Company officials confirmed the deaths at 3:06 a.m. and said a "miscommunication" stemming from an overheard cellphone conversation resulted in the spreading of the original information--that 12 were alive.

And Yahoo news (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060104/ap_on_re_us/mine_explosion) says the same thing...

And so does CNN.

What the hell.

Apparently it was communication problems. So...let's see how that happens.

Wow, I feel worse for the family members. Their emotions toyed with.

Bad news breaking... :(

Washington post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/04/AR2006010400247.html)


And Yahoo news (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060104/ap_on_re_us/mine_explosion) says the same thing...

:(

Yeah... that's just... wow. I'd hate to be one of those family members right now, that's just awful.:(

*prays the our father for the miners who lost their lives and the family who are going through a tough time right now*

Sucky. Sounds like tight safety regulations and restrictions need to be placed on this industry.

Why the fuck they haven't done it yet is beyond me. Well, actually, it isn't. But, that argument is for another topic.

:(

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4579754.stm

I'm sure some people will consider this spectacularly offensive but why aren't all the talking heads (including the state governor) who were hailing this as one of god's miracles in the interim now lambasting the 'big man' for letting all these poor people die?

I personally think that a heroic rescue attempt was made and it wasn't a failure after all - they got one person out and I'm sure they put everything they had into it.

God had fuck all to do with this; if it had been left up to him alone there wouldn't even be one survivor.

apart from one who is critical

Yu'd think we'd have learnt by now to wait and get it right...

I had insomnia last night so I followed it via BBC radio and just after they broadcast the 'they're all alive' thing they had to do a correction. Shit I feel bad for those families.

Yeah. This is redundent. So what? Huzzah! The miners are alive! Thats awesome!

:headbang: Oh crap! MAN! Sorry to double post, but...MAN! Thats really sad...

:(

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4579754.stm look before you shoot your mouth off :mad:

Why dont you just shut up? I am sincerly sad for these people. This isnt a good time for arguing.

Why dont you just shut up? I am sincerly sad for these people. This isnt a good time for arguing. Do not tell me to shut up that is rude anyway Who is arguing? I was just stating a fact

You were angry that I was shooting my mouth off. I was angry at shooting my mouth off. Now, we're both angry. Great job me. I messed up. I'm sorry. But I digress, this is not the time to argue.

I dont understand how the rescue crews (or whoever it was) could have miscommunicated that the miners are dead. It just doesnt make any sense to me.

They said they found 12 miners, but failed to say that they were dead, so everyone took that to mean they were alive.

You were angry that I was shooting my mouth off. I was angry at shooting my mouth off. Now, we're both angry. Great job me. I messed up. I'm sorry. But I digress, this is not the time to argue.

I dont understand how the rescue crews (or whoever it was) could have miscommunicated that the miners are dead. It just doesnt make any sense to me.
I was not arguing, but no harm done, and apology accepted, I am sorry too

just to be sure that the storys right. As of now all 13 have been found. 12 were dead. 1 is in crytical condition, and currently en route to a major hospital after being stabalized at a local facility.

That's pretty much right.

this link tells you everything

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4579754.stm

They said they found 12 miners, but failed to say that they were dead, so everyone took that to mean they were alive.


No, the initial report did say that 12 were alive. That was the word from the mining company. Hours went by before it was corrected. This was one serious miscommunication.

Better than news from a Chinese mine.
Rarely any good news with those - hardly anyone gets out.

What do you suppose the survivor did differently that the victims?

What do you suppose the survivor did differently that the victims?
held his breath longer ?

held his breath longer ?

Unless he fainted earlier and breathed in less toxic gas.

Maybe just better health and a lot of luck?

I watched this on the Today show I think this morning and they were interviewing the governor and son of a miner simultaneously. The govenor was talking alot of bs about investigating the collapse and what went wrong. Then the son interjected about the shit has been going on for months and it has been unsafe for months, then the reporter said there had been safety violations as late as December and it was still open. The governor still tried to put out political double speak. I'm surprised the son of the miner didn't beat his ass right there on tv.

In a stunning and heartbreaking reversal, mining officials told family members early Wednesday that 11 of the 12 trapped coal miners initially thought to have survived a mine explosion had died.



You mean they all died, except for 1

Sucky. Sounds like tight safety regulations and restrictions need to be placed on this industry.

Why the fuck they haven't done it yet is beyond me. Well, actually, it isn't. But, that argument is for another topic.There are safety regulations--they just aren't enforced unless there's someone--some group (like, say, a union) that forces management to hold to the standards, because the fines levied on the mine by the government are piss. Anyone want to guess whether this was a union mine or not? (It wasn't.)

It's also a mine with a history of safety problems--168 violations in recent years. Anyone feeling outraged yet?

There are safety regulations--they just aren't enforced unless there's someone--some group (like, say, a union) that forces management to hold to the standards, because the fines levied on the mine by the government are piss. Anyone want to guess whether this was a union mine or not? (It wasn't.)

It's also a mine with a history of safety problems--168 violations in recent years. Anyone feeling outraged yet?
Not until I know which rules were violated. If they were important safety rules, then yes, I'll be properly outraged. If they were minor infactions of the voluminous federal mine regulations ( such as "are trash recepticles available in the mine's cafeteria and emptied on a regular basis." ) then my outrage will be considerably lessened. Even mean old union-free mine owners deserve an assumption of innocent until proven guilty.

Do you know which rules were violated?

The news is breaking. Thank you God for answering everyone's prayers.

My condolences to family of the one miner that was found dead earlier.
What a bs! :mad: You shouldn't thank imaginary beings who didn't have the tiniest part in rescuing them.
You should thank the actual rescuers!

What a bs! :mad: You shouldn't thank imaginary beings who didn't have the tiniest part in rescuing them.
You should thank the actual rescuers!
good point, otherwise we could blame the same being for causing it/allowing it to happen in the first place. Ofcourse that debate is for a different thread


spewin only 1 made it in the end

I heard the news on the radio when I woke up. Apparently the phrase used from the mine to the rescue HQ over radio was "we found 12, we are checking vital signs" and this was interpreted by those monitoring the radio frequency as meaning that they had been found alive. There was no official word from the mining company at the time.

Unfortunately there was no word from the mine twenty minutes later when it seems they realized this rumor was spreading and being taken as fact. It wasn't until about 3AM that they released official information which was very bad news as we all know now.

It's very sad, indeed, and those people must be feeling mocked and insulted on top of it all.

I heard about it from my mother when I woke up...twas a horrible thing to wake up to. My prayers are with the families of those who died.

The news is breaking. Thank you God for answering everyone's prayers.

My condolences to family of the one miner that was found dead earlier.
Given the new turn of events, I assume you will now also give God credit for the deaths of those miners.

But don't worry, this doesn't have to mean that God is evil or cruel. You have a range of choices that still allow you to believe that God is a good being, even though He didn't answer any of those prayers after all:

1) God killed the miners because they were wicked, and those praying for their safety were misguided in asking for the wicked to be saved. God knows better.

2) God had already decided to kill the miners, and changing His will to satisfy the prayers of humans would create a paradox due to His inherent all-knowingness.

3) Dying is a good thing, because now the miners are in Heaven with God. It's actually the rest of us who are getting screwed over because God hasn't killed us off yet.

4) God is powerless to save miners, no matter how badly He wants to. You could make up some random excuse about free will or something to back this up.

5) All good things that happen are God's gift to us, while all bad things are the fault of human beings. Thus, miners being alive is a "miracle," while miners being dead is not God's fault in any way, shape, or form.

In a stunning and heartbreaking reversal, mining officials told family members early Wednesday that 11 of the 12 trapped coal miners initially thought to have survived a mine explosion had died.



You mean they all died, except for 1 yes and it is touch and go that he will live or not

3) Dying is a good thing, because now the miners are in Heaven with God. It's actually the rest of us who are getting screwed over because God hasn't killed us off yet.

:D thats sig'd

Given the new turn of events, I assume you will now also give God credit for the deaths of those miners.

But don't worry, this doesn't have to mean that God is evil or cruel. You have a couple of choices that still allow you to believe that God is a good being, even though He didn't answer any of those prayers after all:

1) God killed the miners because they were wicked, and those praying for their safety were misguided in asking for the wicked to be saved. God knows better.

2) God had already decided to kill the miners, and changing His will to satisfy the prayers of humans would create a paradox due to His inherent all-knowingness.

3) Dying is a good thing, because now the miners are in Heaven with God. It's actually the rest of us who are getting screwed over because God hasn't killed us off yet.

4) God is powerless to save miners, no matter how badly He wants to. You could make up some random excuse about free will or something to back this up.

5) All good things that happen are God's gift to us, while all bad things are the fault of human beings. Thus, miners being alive is a "miracle," while miners being dead is not God's fault in any way, shape, or form.


Please, now is not the time to mock others beliefs. Bring religion in to every other thread, I don't care, but please, leave the insults and mockery out of it here. This is a time for the families of those miners, not a time to pick at each other.

Not until I know which rules were violated. If they were important safety rules, then yes, I'll be properly outraged. If they were minor infactions of the voluminous federal mine regulations ( such as "are trash recepticles available in the mine's cafeteria and emptied on a regular basis." ) then my outrage will be considerably lessened. Even mean old union-free mine owners deserve an assumption of innocent until proven guilty.

Do you know which rules were violated?If you go to msha.gov and search for the Sago Mine--the id number is 4608791--then you can look at the violations. I'm looking at them now and would have linked directly, but the link doesn't work (thus, the instructions on how to do it). You can click on the individual citations and see what section of the code was being violated--so far, I've come across citations for uninsulated electrical wires, and for (I presume) incomplete ventilation plans and roof reinforcement plans.

Please, now is not the time to mock others beliefs. Bring religion in to every other thread, I don't care, but please, leave the insults and mockery out of it here. This is a time for the families of those miners, not a time to pick at each other.
"This is a time for the families of those miners"? What, you think those families are posting around here at a time like this? You think those families are reading NationStates General forum while they grieve?

This is precisely the time to discuss such beliefs, and this is precisely the place. Human life and death are insulted by the vapid religious platitudes and hypocricy that are constantly thrown around after tragedies of this sort. Reporting on "miraculous" survival stories usually just insults the efforts of survivors and the rescue workers who actually brought about the positive end, and this case provides a perfect example of how deeply hypocritical and pathetic those claims really are. Even the people who throw them around don't believe them.

Filling a thread with timid, bland mumblings is not going to help the victims or their families. We would do better to have frank discussion about how people deal with tragedy and loss.

We all know this is horrible and tragic. We can all imagine how the families must be suffering, because we can imagine how we might feel in the same situation. If you want to have a thread of sitting around reassuring each other that we're all good people because we agree that it's sad when miners die then that's your call, but don't waste time pretending that it's "for the families."

Please, now is not the time to mock others beliefs. Bring religion in to every other thread, I don't care, but please, leave the insults and mockery out of it here. This is a time for the families of those miners, not a time to pick at each other.
No offence, but if you don't want people to be mocking your beliefs, don't do the "God answered our prayers" when it's good news, then "It's the fault of [the Devil/humans/anything other than God] " when it's bad news thing. If God is responsible for everything, then it's God's fault the miners died, and you should be shaking your fists at him, and quite angrily. If God isn't responsible for everything, then there's no use in thanking Him for everything, and you're being a massive hypocrite.

Then again, which major religion on Earth isn't full of hypocrisy? Nevermind, rhetorical question, should have its own thread somewhere far, far away from here.

I concur. Religion and all its attachments are a touchy subject. Personally, I think all this happened for a reason, but since I'm human I cannot possibly fathom WHY this happened.

Religious hypocrycy stems from this, I think.

Mining is a dangerous business.

Ok, I see your point as well. I'm sorry, I was looking at this from one side, but what you both have said makes sense. Bottle, you're right, no one from those families is going to want to be anywhere near NS General, or anywhere else they can read the news anytime soon; people shouldn't be restricted from stating opinions, as I guess I was trying to do. Ivia, it's not so much I don't want people mocking my beliefs, as I think discussions on religion, and why it's true or false can be very helpful in finding whatever religion you happen to choose. I just don't want this topic to spiral into a flame war over religion.

No offence, but if you don't want people to be mocking your beliefs, don't do the "God answered our prayers" when it's good news, then "It's the fault of [the Devil/humans/anything other than God] " when it's bad news thing. If God is responsible for everything, then it's God's fault the miners died, and you should be shaking your fists at him, and quite angrily. If God isn't responsible for everything, then there's no use in thanking Him for everything, and you're being a massive hypocrite.

Then again, which major religion on Earth isn't full of hypocrisy? Nevermind, rhetorical question, should have its own thread somewhere far, far away from here.Yep--there was a comedian not long ago (don't remember who) who said he'd love to see an athlete say something like "we were in that game until Jesus made me fumble. God hates our team for some reason."

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Agreed on that it shouldn't spiral downward into a debate about religion, but a cynical atheist would have way too much fodder for a flame war in a thread like this one. =\

144 fucking violations in 05 at that mine......and it wasn't shut down.

Tsk Tsk.

The miners had 1 days worth of food and water, plus an breathing apperatus(sp) that should've allowed a couple hours of fresh air, but it apperantly wasn't enough to get them to saftey.

Also, the miners couldn't, or SHOULDN'T have died from the explosian itself, because it was not near where they are supposed to be. I hate the company though, right-winged jackasses, the saftey rules established aren't that difficult to follow.

Agreed on that it shouldn't spiral downward into a debate about religion, but a cynical atheist would have way too much fodder for a flame war in a thread like this one. =\
Forgive me, but that sounds a bit like complaining that this wouldn't be a good thread for religious debate because the atheists would have too much evidence to support their position...where should such debates happen? Only in threads where God does save some miners?

At any rate, I'm the harshest person in here (so far) and I'm neither an atheist nor a flame-enthusiast.

And to Catlandatopia, I can understand why people would be hesitant to have a religious debate on this thread. The internet is quite public, and it often feels like it is bad taste to have public political or religious discussions that flatly address a strongly emotional topic (such as a very recent tragedy). However, I personally feel that the greatest insult has already been done to these families, and it was done by those who cried "miracle."

Forgive me, but that sounds a bit like complaining that this wouldn't be a good thread for religious debate because the atheists would have too much evidence to support their position...where should such debates happen? Only in threads where God does save some miners?
Must everything be taken so literally on this forum? I was just making the point that, since it's usually atheists that debate against God, and that a cynical bastard would have a field day with this thread and the misinformed reactions to the story, it's a bad place.

Yes, there has been a great wrong done to the families by the people who were thanking God and crying "Miracle!" before the whole story got out, but this thread should now be for sympathy toward the families, not for a debate about religion. Perhaps a new thread should be made for sympathy, with the correct thread title, and then perhaps this one could be for a religious debate, but there's a little something called tact, and it's typically used in situations like this one where there's so much reason to call names the people who were wrong, but where it would be entirely inappropriate and utterly rude to do so.

Given the new turn of events, I assume you will now also give God credit for the deaths of those miners.

But don't worry, this doesn't have to mean that God is evil or cruel. You have a range of choices that still allow you to believe that God is a good being, even though He didn't answer any of those prayers after all:

1) God killed the miners because they were wicked, and those praying for their safety were misguided in asking for the wicked to be saved. God knows better.

2) God had already decided to kill the miners, and changing His will to satisfy the prayers of humans would create a paradox due to His inherent all-knowingness.

3) Dying is a good thing, because now the miners are in Heaven with God. It's actually the rest of us who are getting screwed over because God hasn't killed us off yet.

4) God is powerless to save miners, no matter how badly He wants to. You could make up some random excuse about free will or something to back this up.

5) All good things that happen are God's gift to us, while all bad things are the fault of human beings. Thus, miners being alive is a "miracle," while miners being dead is not God's fault in any way, shape, or form.
Bottle, this is beneath you. Please don't play on the tragedy these people have had to endure just to make some esoteric point about religion. :(

Bottle, this is beneath you. Please don't play on the tragedy these people have had to endure just to make some esoteric point about religion. :(
"Esoteric"? Hardly. And if you bothered to read what I wrote, you'd know my point isn't about religion so much as it is about the cruelty of those who let their own egos and religious hypocricy put further strain on already-awful situation.

The people who leaped to cheer a "miracle" in this situation are the ones who played on the tragedy. They're no different than the people who cry miracle when a plane crash leaves a few survivors. I calls a spade a spade, and I call bullshit when I see it. I am disgusted by those who trivialize human life and death. I am disgusted by the self-fluffing that springs up after tragedies of this sort, and the self-important moralizing and Godidiotism that thrives in the wake of human loss. I don't see any particular reason why I should sit quietly and watch such disgraceful behavior rather than confronting it.

Bottle, this is beneath you. Please don't play on the tragedy these people have had to endure just to make some esoteric point about religion. :(esoteric??

you guys talking about FOX/CNN/other-BIG-US-TV-Corps?

If you go to msha.gov and search for the Sago Mine--the id number is 4608791--then you can look at the violations. I'm looking at them now and would have linked directly, but the link doesn't work (thus, the instructions on how to do it). You can click on the individual citations and see what section of the code was being violated--so far, I've come across citations for uninsulated electrical wires, and for (I presume) incomplete ventilation plans and roof reinforcement plans.
Ouch! And they just said on the news that the mine's injury rate was three times the national average. Goodbye, mine managers!

"Esoteric"? Hardly. And if you bothered to read what I wrote, you'd know my point isn't about religion so much as it is about the cruelty of those who let their own egos and religious hypocricy put further strain on already-awful situation.

The people who leaped to cheer a "miracle" in this situation are the ones who played on the tragedy. They're no different than the people who cry miracle when a plane crash leaves a few survivors. I calls a spade a spade, and I call bullshit when I see it. I am disgusted by those who trivialize human life and death. I am disgusted by the self-fluffing that springs up after tragedies of this sort, and the self-important moralizing and Godidiotism that thrives in the wake of human loss. I don't see any particular reason why I should sit quietly and watch such disgraceful behavior rather than confronting it.
I understand, but try to remember that sometimes, when people are near the bottom of the heap socially and economically speaking, the only real comfort they have is their faith.

I read the first page of this post, and I was quite surprised. So I loaded up CTV news to confirm.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060104/miners_update_050104/20060104?hub=TopStories

It's sad, how miscommunications can throw off so many people. After reading the rest of the thread, I understand how it happened.

The problems with the mine, sadly, I don't think are limited to just mines. I think this type of corruption is affecting most of America, let it be the industries, consumer buisnesses, and the government. As much as I wish it was as simple as the mine being the problem, I can almost guarantee that it affected more areas too. I mean, if the US government, state, federal or whatnot, the government would have sent men in there after even ONE infraction, and shut them down a long time ago! It could fill a book why the government didn't act on it, but like I said, the corruption didn't start at the mine. Who knows? The mine could have even bribed the inspectors!

And the second part that really bugs me, is how the hell can you confuse "12 miners found, checking vital signs" as finding 12 survivors? The second part alone would give away that they were either dead or unconscious.

The whole story is saddening, but as much as I hate to say it, I always doubted finding survivors, as escaping a mine before succumbing to injuries from collapses and explosions/carbon monoxide/running out of air is very unlikely, unless there is still a way out.

And the second part that really bugs me, is how the hell can you confuse "12 miners found, checking vital signs" as finding 12 survivors? The second part alone would give away that they were either dead or unconscious.
Well, "checking vital signs" means, to an average person, that someone's breathing but weakly, or unconscious but shows signs of life. The fact that they ALWAYS check for vital signs, even when they're sure the person is dead, in rescue situations such as that in the mine goes over the heads of most people.

Bottle congratulations. You have proven yourself to be a heartless person who exploits tragedy. Bravo, you really showed that you have no class. Now shut up before you make an even greater ass of yourself.

Bottle congratulations. You have proven yourself to be a heartless person who exploits tragedy. Bravo, you really showed that you have no class. Now shut up before you make an even greater ass of yourself.

Congratulations. You have been marked for observation for future cases of hypocrism. Cases of praise and blame, and who they go to, shall be noted.

Better than news from a Chinese mine.
Rarely any good news with those - hardly anyone gets out.
Chinese mines - a death sentence if ever there was one. Something like 40 000 miners die each year. Only collapses where there's more than 100 dead make the news here.
They're now talking about making the managers go down the mine with the workers in the hope safety standards might actually be used.

Chinese mines - a death sentence if ever there was one. Something like 40 000 miners die each year. Only collapses where there's more than 100 dead make the news here.
They're now talking about making the managers go down the mine with the workers in the hope safety standards might actually be used.

Might work, but who would actually enforce that particular bit of law? The miner's themselves? But I doubt it would work entirely. If it doesn't specify how deep the manager has to go, most likely they would loiter about near the entrance while the deeper shafts will still be as insecure as ever.

Might work, but who would actually enforce that particular bit of law? The miner's themselves? But I doubt it would work entirely. If it doesn't specify how deep the manager has to go, most likely they would loiter about near the entrance while the deeper shafts will still be as insecure as ever.
Yeah, that was my first thought as well.
It doesn't actually address the real reason behind the appalling safety conditions anyway - They're run like that cause the Chinese government expects so much from each mine at a certain cost. Failure to do so can result in imprisonment. The only way to fulfill their quotas is by cutting corners, hiring illiterate unskilled peasants to do skilled dangerous work, paying below minimum wages and hoping nothing goes wrong.

One of the worst things that these mines do is give miners a bonus for signing someone else up. So what invariably happens is that a whole village of relatives ends up working in the same mine. When it collapses, pretty much the entire male populace of some poor remote farming village is wiped out.

Yeah, that was my first thought as well.
It doesn't actually address the real reason behind the appalling safety conditions anyway - They're run like that cause the Chinese government expects so much from each mine at a certain cost. Failure to do so can result in imprisonment. The only way to fulfill their quotas is by cutting corners, hiring illiterate unskilled peasants to do skilled dangerous work, paying below minimum wages and hoping nothing goes wrong.

One of the worst things that these mines do is give miners a bonus for signing someone else up. So what invariably happens is that a whole village of relatives ends up working in the same mine. When it collapses, pretty much the entire male populace of some poor remote farming village is wiped out.
Gotta love that Communist system.

Bottle congratulations. You have proven yourself to be a heartless person who exploits tragedy. Bravo, you really showed that you have no class. Now shut up before you make an even greater ass of yourself.

" 12 Miners ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!
The news is breaking. Thank you God for answering everyone's prayers."

So you have proven yourself to be a heartless person who exploits tragedy, too? And that you have no class? By assuming god had anything to do with this, and bringing him into the discussion? Then getting mad at someone pointing out the general hypocracy of the thread?

Wahh.

Gotta love that Communist system.

Which isn't communist in any way, shape, or form, yes.

Which isn't communist in any way, shape, or form, yes.
Well, they do have a red flag...



But yeah, that's about as far it goes.

Gotta love that Communist system.

And you're telling us that a capitalistic society doesn't cut corners hmmm? That they don't pretend certain regulations do not apply to them if they can get away with it because it adds cost?

Doing too much on too little is a fact of reality that happens anywhere, regardless of whatever system you operate under. Thinking otherwise is foolish and naive.

" 12 Miners ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!
The news is breaking. Thank you God for answering everyone's prayers."

So you have proven yourself to be a heartless person who exploits tragedy, too? And that you have no class? By assuming god had anything to do with this, and bringing him into the discussion? Then getting mad at someone pointing out the general hypocracy of the thread?

Wahh.

Everyone calm down. why do most of you take every insult to heart?