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have any of you seen/heard any subliminal messages in music/film/poster/on tv?
just im quite intrested in conspiracys.

like the one in ledzeppelin- stairway to heaven where if you rewind it it says some freaky junk about satan & 666?

Wheatus' album - Suck Fony


HMM!

I watched Narnia last week...
Lousy C.S.Lewis try to write a children's story with aspects of God in it...

SubliminalWmessages?oIrdon'trknowswhathyou'reitalkingpaboutMmane....

SubliminalWmessages?oIrdon'trknowswhathyou'reitalkingpaboutMmane....

man, what a waste of space.

man, what a waste of space.
Meh, they can't all be gems...

Meh, they can't all be gems...

guess not.
back to the subject plz:rolleyes:

I per$only dont belive in $ubliminal me$$age$ my$elf, oh by the way if any country$ can think of anything i may need feel free to donate $ome. we wi$h you all a happy new year.

Subliminal messges, why that's just crazy!

Smoke

I mean do you know how silly it would look for someone to just slip in a half second of messages in a film

Smoke

Song, or movie?

Are you smoking yet?

When movie theatres started showing films in colour waaay back when, several cinemas were caught splicing single frames of adverts in between the rest of the movie frames. Things like: "drink soda!", "buy popcorn!", and "visit the candy bar!". Since theres 24 frames a second in movie film, the adverts go unnoticed but cinema-goers had an undeniable urge to head to the snack bar mid movie...

:eek:

Sure. Go watch Fight Club.
Spare your children.

Sure. Go watch Fight Club.
Spare your children.

ya right... the writer of fight club came up with that... pfft

Thats the thing about subliminal messages... you are not mean to realise they're there. Although there is the ad for a beer company on NZ tv and about a sec before the end there is a white background with black stuff that I presume to be writing... but it isn't really subliminal if you notice it

i read in a book on media persuasion that sub-messages don't actually work (I forget the title but the chapter was ammusingly called Subliminal Messages; Who Is Fooling Who).

But then again 'THEY' would say that

i read in a book on media persuasion that sub-messages don't actually work (I forget the title but the chapter was ammusingly called Subliminal Messages; Who Is Fooling Who).

But then again 'THEY' would say that

Sir/ma'am, we are they.

ya right... the writer of fight club came up with that... pfft
I didn't even insinuate as much, so go *pfft* yourself. Take note:

have any of you seen/heard any subliminal messages in music/film/poster/on tv?

So did you get lost already, Combaticus? Is this thread going too fast for you?

ya right... the writer of fight club came up with that... pfft
Anyone who has been a projectionist has done something like it at least once. Especially if the movie keeps fucking breaking...we probably added or altered about 5 seconds of goddamn Nixon by the time that movie finally left our theater...(it was so long that it would sit all the way to the edge of the platter, so if anything went wrong chances where that it would slide off all together. I once had to restart the movie with the last half hour laying in a jumble on the floor, untangling it as it played. 'Cause I gotz skillz....)

I didn't even insinuate as much, so go *pfft* yourself. Take note:



So did you get lost already, Combaticus? Is this thread going too fast for you?


mebbe if u quoted the original question in the 1st place i wouldnt have posted that ;P

i dont wanna get into an eBeef with u anyway...

mebbe if u quoted the original question in the 1st place i wouldnt have posted that ;P

i dont wanna get into an eBeef with u anyway...
This is a touchy thread, isn't it?
Calm down
Wonder what that's all about...
relax
You'd think it was one of the political threads.
Seriously, take a breath people...

This is a touchy thread, isn't it?
Calm down
Wonder what that's all about...
relax
You'd think it was one of the political threads.
Seriously, take a breath people...
<Tastes great!>
>Less filling!<
Ad nauseum .... ;)

mebbe if u quoted the original question in the 1st place i wouldnt have posted that ;P

i dont wanna get into an eBeef with u anyway...
Fair 'nuff. Just don't fart at me. I don't take kindly to a helpin' of your gas, pardner.

EDIT: I should add that if i was lookin' for a "fartner", you'd see the link to PayPal here and a few directions.

<Tastes great!>
>Less filling!<
Ad nauseum .... ;)
You know it's gonna sound like total bullshit, but-my aunt was part of the advertising team at Miller when that came out. (I don't know her exact roll, but I as a seven year old child had a large number of beer stickers all over my closet door...). I don't know what that adds except perhaps the lamest name drop in history, but there you are...

You know it's gonna sound like total bullshit, but-my aunt was part of the advertising team at Miller when that came out. (I don't know her exact roll, but I as a seven year old child had a large number of beer stickers all over my closet door...). I don't know what that adds except perhaps the lamest name drop in history, but there you are...
Au contraire, that is one of the coolest things i've ever heard. It's not just an irritating urban mantra for me anymore. *bows*

SubliminalWmessages?oIrdon'trknowswhathyou'reitalkingpaboutMmane....
mommy mommy, i just saw a subliminal message!

*starts worshipping CTOAN*


edit: can't even spell my lord's name right

Has anyone seen Irréversiblè in theatre?

The beginning of the film has a background noise with a very low frequency which causes nausea. Twisted. Like the pictures wouldn't do the trick.

You know it's gonna sound like total bullshit, but-my aunt was part of the advertising team at Miller when that came out. (I don't know her exact roll, but I as a seven year old child had a large number of beer stickers all over my closet door...). I don't know what that adds except perhaps the lamest name drop in history, but there you are...
Back in the 60s my mom worked for several big ad agencies in NYC -- Ketchum McCloud; Ted Bates ("It's 2, 2, 2 mints in one!":) ); another one I can't remember. I studied advertising design in art school and now I'm a surrealist and all my work is about manipulating people's thoughts and feelings subliminally. And I know the guy who created Joe Camel -- the guy who not only made sure kids would buy cigarettes but also set up the cigarette companies to be torn down for it. You should have heard him tell the story of that fateful client meeting. He's a way evil Frenchman -- one of my favorite people whom I haven't even tried to catch up with in over 10 years because I don't want to get struck by the lightning bolt that's got his name on it.

The thing is, if you think about it, all messages are subliminal messages. It's okay. Don't fear them. They are fun and wholesome and good for you. :)

Know what'd be great subliminal messeging?
Brown noise.

You want subliminal messages?

http://subliminal.ytmnd.com/

You gotta admit, it's preatty freaking weird.

Subliminal messages get you laid.

Why do you think they call it a "Hummer"?

Whyallareyouryoubasetalking areaboutbelongsumbliminaltomessagesusdude?

I watched Narnia last week...
Lousy C.S.Lewis try to write a children's story with aspects of God in it...
Glory to Aslan in the Highest and peace to His cubs on earth.

I remember doing a project on this in highschool, I found out that one of our local grocery stores would pump the smell of cookies into the a/c to get people to stop by their bakery. I also found a report about movie theaters doing the same thing with the popcorn butter smell into the theater to get people to leave their seats to get popcorn.

As far as subliminal messages in tv/movies, I have heard rumors that there is a lot of stuff like that in Disney movies, but I haven't found any of them to be true.

I've heard there's lots of anti-republican messages in the excorcist, like single slides of Ronald Reagan dying horribly or something.

Subliminal messages work under the principle that the brain catches a lot more than you realize, so even if you don't notice something it still gets processed. This was something that became popular around the 40's or 50's, and remained so for a long time. That's when they started inserting those ads in the movies and such.

The irony was that as more and better research was made, it was soon found that what you don't notice, you don't notice. It simply gets thrown away.

Publicists started using the term anyway to refer to the submessages in their adds. For example, a sexy woman holding a bottle of wine dressed in luxurious attire. The message is "drink our wine" but the submessage is "it will make you wealthier and sexier" (sure, if you drink enough of it you'll feel that way). These are oriented towards getting an emotional response or to satisfy one of the basic desires (sex, wealth, immortality) to make the product more desirable.

However, I was just reading an article in New Scientist magazine about how the brain often just doesn't get it, and how it shuts down after being bombarded with publicity. Or maybe is just a cultural adaptation.

Anyway, lastly, for messages in music, all music sounds weird when played backwards and it's easy to imagine satanic enchantations, but to find if there are real messages in them just record as a .wav and play it backwards. The thing is that any message taped backwards would sound pretty weird and obvious when played normally, like the guitars in Sgt Pepper's.

I've not seen anything especially outstanding, but in many programmes/films you can observe people going to chains/drinking or eating specific brands...that kind of thing. Then again, half the time they're too obvious to be completely subliminal.

Anyone heard of Derren Brown (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derren_Brown)? Some of his early shows involved driving people round seemingly random routes, then asking them to devise marketing strategies on product x. In the majority of cases, the strategies they came up with were almost identical to ones Brown had prepared beforehand. This, apparently, was due to symbols/ads/posters etc he'd displayed around the route the participants had been driven past that had subliminally influenced them. Assuming it was genuine (which admittedly is dubious), it was very interesting - odd how such seemingly simple things can be so psychologically powerful.

When movie theatres started showing films in colour waaay back when, several cinemas were caught splicing single frames of adverts in between the rest of the movie frames. Things like: "drink soda!", "buy popcorn!", and "visit the candy bar!". Since theres 24 frames a second in movie film, the adverts go unnoticed but cinema-goers had an undeniable urge to head to the snack bar mid movie...

:eek:

Nope.

Public awareness of what we now term Buy me! "subliminal advertising" began with the 1957 publication of Vance Packard's book, The Hidden Persuaders. Although Packard did not use the term "subliminal advertising," he did describe many of the new "motivational research" marketing techniques being employed to sell products in the burgeoning post-war American market. Advertisements that focused on consumers' hopes, fears, guilt, and sexuality were designed to persuade them to buy products they'd never realized they needed. Marketers who could reach into the hearts and minds of American consumers soon found consumers' wallets to be within easy grasp as well.

It was James Vicary who coined the term "subliminal advertising." Vicary had conducted a variety of unusual studies of female shopping habits, discovering (among other things) that women's eye-blink rates dropped significantly in supermarkets, that "psychological spring" lasts more than twice as long as "psychological winter," and that "the experience of a woman baking a cake could be likened to a woman giving birth." Vicary's studies were largely forgettable, save for one experiment he conducted at a Ft. Lee, New Jersey movie theater during the summer of 1957. Vicary placed a tachistoscope in the theater's projection booth, and all throughout the playing of the film Picnic, he flashed a couple of different messages on the screen every five seconds. The messages each displayed for only 1/3000th of a second at a time, far below the viewers' threshold of conscious perceptibility. The result of displaying these imperceptible suggestions -- "Drink Coca-Cola" and "Hungry? Eat Popcorn" -- was an amazing 18.1% increase in Coca-Cola sales, and a whopping 57.8% jump in popcorn purchases. Thus was demonstrated the awesome power of "subliminal advertising" to coerce unwary buyers into making purchases they would not otherwise have considered.

Or so goes the legend that has retained its potency for more than forty years. So potent a legend, in fact, that the Federal Communications Commission banned "subliminal advertising" from radio and television airwaves in 1974, despite that fact that no studies have ever shown it to be effective, and even though its alleged efficacy was based on a fraud.

You see, Vicary lied about the results of his experiment. When he was challenged to repeat the test by the president of the Psychological Corporation, Dr. Henry Link, Vicary's duplication of his original experiment produced no significant increase in popcorn or Coca-Cola sales. Eventually Vicary confessed that he had falsified the data from his first experiments, and some critics have since expressed doubts that he actually conducted his infamous Ft. Lee experiment at all.

As usual, the media (and thereby the public) paid attention only to the sensational original story, and the scant coverage given to Vicary's later confession was ignored or quickly forgotten. Radio and television stations began airing subliminal commercials, leading to two congressional bills to ban the practice being introduced in 1958 and 1959 (both of which died before being voted upon). In 1973, Dr. Wilson B. Key picked up where Vicary left off, publishing Subliminal Seduction, an indictment of modern advertisements filled with hidden messages and secret symbols -- messages and symbols that only Dr. Key could discern (including the notorious example of the word "S-E-X" spelled out in the ice cubes pictured in a liquor advertisement). The old "subliminal advertising" controversy was stirred up again by Dr. Key's book, leading to the 24 January 1974 announcement by the FCC that subliminal techniques, "whether effective or not," were "contrary to the public interest," and that any station employing them risked losing its broadcast license.

For neither the first nor the last time, a great deal of time and money and effort was expended on "protecting" the public from something that posed no danger to them. As numerous studies over the last few decades have demonstrated, subliminal advertising doesn't work; in fact, it never worked, and the whole premise was based on a lie from the very beginning. James Vicary's legacy was to ensure that a great many people will never be convinced otherwise, however.

Source. (http://www.snopes.com/business/hidden/popcorn.asp)

As far as subliminal messages in tv/movies, I have heard rumors that there is a lot of stuff like that in Disney movies, but I haven't found any of them to be true.

I've proven one. In Aladdin in the balcony scene after he's landed and stepped off the carpet it cuts to a picture of the bottom of the balcony and it sounds as if Aladdin's saying "Take off your clothes" to Jasmine. You really have to listen for it, otherwise you'll miss it. Someone had to tell me about it before I noticed it.

And lets not forget the cover of The Little Mermaid. Now what do you think that one cylindrically shaped tower looks like? And in the Lion King, when the older Simba is looking at the stars, it spells out the word Sex. Just look a little carefully next time.

Know what'd be great subliminal messeging?
Brown noise.

I was totally thinking of that when somebody mentioned the nausea-inducing music in Irreversible.
Would't it be awesome if someone used brown noise as the soundtrack for a really crappy movie? The Brown Bunny would be a nice fit.

Check out Ebaumsworld for the Britney Spears one. It made me piss myself from laughter.

I've proven one. In Aladdin in the balcony scene after he's landed and stepped off the carpet it cuts to a picture of the bottom of the balcony and it sounds as if Aladdin's saying "Take off your clothes" to Jasmine. You really have to listen for it, otherwise you'll miss it. Someone had to tell me about it before I noticed it.
acutally I have listened it says "be a good kitty take off and go now" you do have to really listen though.

as far as the little mermaid thing, just about anything roundish and tall and skinny is a phalic symbol if you are looking for it

and the lion king thing isn't in the movie it was on the cd-rom and they fixed it.

Did none of you see "They Live"??

You have to put on the glasses...

I remember doing a project on this in highschool, I found out that one of our local grocery stores would pump the smell of cookies into the a/c to get people to stop by their bakery. I also found a report about movie theaters doing the same thing with the popcorn butter smell into the theater to get people to leave their seats to get popcorn.

As far as subliminal messages in tv/movies, I have heard rumors that there is a lot of stuff like that in Disney movies, but I haven't found any of them to be true.
http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/films.asp
pick yer poison


I've heard there's lots of anti-republican messages in the excorcist, like single slides of Ronald Reagan dying horribly or something.

hmm...I'm gonna have to say Ronald Reagan dying wouldn't make much sense. Exorcist came out in 1973. Reagan was prez 81-89

as far as the little mermaid thing, just about anything roundish and tall and skinny is a phalic symbol if you are looking for it.
Uhm i have two friends with that original cover, that i've seen with my own eyes, and you might consider that they even reprinted the cover to get past it.
Big ol' schlong on the cover, in the middle, and two flanking. Stiff and ready for some action.

Uhm i have two friends with that original cover, that i've seen with my own eyes, and you might consider that they even reprinted the cover to get past it.
Big ol' schlong on the cover, in the middle, and two flanking. Stiff and ready for some action.

I think someone is horny.

I think someone is horny.
Well, thanks to my only partially-repressed childhood, whenever i even hear an Aria of a rising scale to crescendo, i'm at attention, with twitchy knees, ever-so-slightly rolling scrotal sac and sweaty areola, while no view in front of me intrudes upon my fantastic vision of impurity.
Oh, wait, time to repress. I don't know you well enough to post how i really feel.
Thanks for your attention, though! ;)

Well, thanks to my only partially-repressed childhood, whenever i even hear an Aria of a rising scale to crescendo, i'm at attention, with twitchy knees, ever-so-slightly rolling scrotal sac and sweaty areola, while no view in front of me intrudes upon my fantastic vision of impurity.
Oh, wait, time to repress. I don't know you well enough to post how i really feel.
Thanks for your attention, though! ;)

LOL, well when someone writes,

Big ol' schlong on the cover, in the middle, and two flanking. Stiff and ready for some action.

It sounds like that person is ready for some action lol.

I have a dirty mind I know. :p

I have a dirty mind I know. :p
Well, keep up the good work!!!
Even if my repressive tendencies constipate my enlightenment, there's no good reason NOT to share a good thing with a few venturesome-of-spirit kin.

I've proven one. In Aladdin in the balcony scene after he's landed and stepped off the carpet it cuts to a picture of the bottom of the balcony and it sounds as if Aladdin's saying "Take off your clothes" to Jasmine. You really have to listen for it, otherwise you'll miss it. Someone had to tell me about it before I noticed it.


And if you play Mary Poppins backwards, a voice can be heard saying "Paul is dead". Seriously, subliminal messages? Has science nerds actually shown that they have any effect? sheeple I mean really, are we supposed to believe that there is come conspiracy between Madison Avenue souless and Hollywood weirdos to manipulate the public? sheeple What are they supposedly trying to accomplish? Paris Hilton Are we expected to accept anything some freak in a tinfoil hat Dubya comes up with in his basement? I think not. Fear me

Uhm i have two friends with that original cover, that i've seen with my own eyes, and you might consider that they even reprinted the cover to get past it.
Big ol' schlong on the cover, in the middle, and two flanking. Stiff and ready for some action.
http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/mermaid.htm#add

In Soviet Russia, you control subliminal messages!

No, that can't be right :headbang:

Of course subliminal messages exist. Did you know that if you play Cliff Richard records backwards you get messages from god, telling you to go to Church and obey your parents? [/sarcasm]

http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/mermaid.htm#add
I saw it MYSELF. A link isn't going to change that. I even described how they were arranged.
-
EDIT: After reviewing your link and the huge picture of the FIRST one, i reviewed the other pic, and yep, they're still there.
I think the cover story is irrelevant but hey, at least you were trying to help.
(Snopes is a little off about a certain tanker also.)

I saw it MYSELF. A link isn't going to change that. I even described how they were arranged.

The link confirms that there is, in fact, a penis on the cover, but that it wasn't added intentionally.

The link confirms that there is, in fact, a penis on the cover, but that it wasn't added intentionally.
there is something that people think looks like a penis on the cover, there is a difference (hey I think it looks like a penis too, but I think the washington monument sorta looks like one too, and we aren't calling it a penis, well, I am not.......)

there is something that people think looks like a penis on the cover, there is a difference (hey I think it looks like a penis too, but I think the washington monument sorta looks like one too, and we aren't calling it a penis, well, I am not.......)

Most capital cities have some sort of phallic symbol in the middle of them. It just seems to be one of those things.

Subliminal messges, why that's just crazy!

Smoke

I mean do you know how silly it would look for someone to just slip in a half second of messages in a film

Smoke

Song, or movie?

Are you smoking yet?

Stone Bridges, that example you have put up is an example of Liminal Messaging, a concept used by Communist Russia where they would continually say a message and no matter how much you believed other wise you would believe it eventually.

Subliminal is a message that appears above or below our sensory threshold, be it visual or auditory. The fact is we are unable to hear/see it but we still take it in. There is no scientific evidence of it working and much study has been put into it as it would make an excellent addition to propaganda... Propaganda with out knowing it is. So the fact that the message exists in 1/10000000000 of a frame in a movie a second doesn’t mean we will be able to see it, or indeed understand it.

And a song played backwards that reveals some organised information is not Subliminal because:

1. You don't listen to a song backwards normally so the message is lost to the main stream audience.

2. And if you can hear it while it playing backwards ... it is not Subliminal as it appears in the sensory threshold of your hearing.

The link confirms that there is, in fact, a penis on the cover, but that it wasn't added intentionally.
I know, that's why i *edit*ed.
Also, i said specifically THEY when i was talking about arrangement.
This is what i said:


Uhm i have two friends with that original cover, that i've seen with my own eyes, and you might consider that they even reprinted the cover to get past it.
Big ol' schlong on the cover, in the middle, and two flanking. Stiff and ready for some action.
I didn't dispute intent.

Most capital cities have some sort of phallic symbol in the middle of them. It just seems to be one of those things.
SOME blame the masons ... ;)

Stone Bridges, that example you have put up is an example of Liminal Messaging, a concept used by Communist Russia where they would continually say a message and no matter how much you believed other wise you would believe it eventually.

"See in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda."
-George W. Bush, May 24, 2005

Thanks for the opportunity. I *never* get tired of reposting that.
Sublime! ;)

I know, that's why i *edit*ed.

Didn't see the edit. My apologizes.

"See in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda."
-George W. Bush, May 24, 2005

Thanks for the opportunity. I *never* get tired of reposting that.


Indeed, I never get tired of ignorant Americans.

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/britney.php
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/queen.php
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/stairway.php
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/eat.php

The last is my personal favorite

Didn't see the edit. My apologizes.
That's okay. I wasn't sure if that's what you meant so i attempted to cover all my bases.

Indeed, I never get tired of ignorant Americans.
Forgive my blessed ignorance, and i guess nosy "personality" ...
Why did this sentence need an *edit*?
Part 2 - do you mean the slight majority of supposedly informed voters in the U.S.?