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From Boing-Boing (http://www.boingboing.net/2006/01/01/coldplays_new_cd_has.html)

This is an image of the insert from the latest Coldplay cd.

http://craphound.com/images/coldplayinsert.jpg

Now take a look at what you've bought--a cd that looks like it won't work on more types of hardware than it will work on. And you don't discover this until you've opened the cd, thus negating any chance of returning it to the record store with a flourish and a finger.

Now I don't listen to Coldplay, and I can't imagine the band actually had anything to do with this, but Jeez, is this where the RIAA is going with their anti-piracy crusade? This is as dumb as the Sony rootkit debacle, maybe worse.

Idiots

You know its sad when I am hoping for CD sales to drop just to show them what idiots they are

I just want to know how they can justify making me carry around 300 cds. I put everything on my computer, and then onto my ipod. They need to fix that or I'll walk into their offices, hand them my cd collection and tell them to carry that around for a while and then reconsider their "anti-piracy" software.


Some of us actually like to carry around a wide variety of music in our pockets.

those fuckers sure are scared of our new pirate utopia. too bad for them that they've already lost. but it's nice that they've actually progressed to the point of helping us.

Yeah... One of those things where you're only hurting the law abiding citizens...

those fuckers sure are scared of our new pirate utopia. too bad for them that they've already lost. but it's nice that they've actually progressed to the point of helping us.
Because anti-piracy software helps pirates, the way the PATRIOT Act helps civil liberties?

Because anti-piracy software helps pirates, the way the PATRIOT Act helps civil liberties?

yes. indirectly, by actually pissing people off about things that typically go under the radar.

The really dark thing is, they claim copying hurts artists, while actually ripping off bands to pay fat CEO salaries and spend the rest on advertising shitty lowest common denominator acts like Coldplay themselves.

On the plus side, if Coldplay cds don't work, maybe they'll stop making new ones...

those fuckers sure are scared of our new pirate utopia. too bad for them that they've already lost. but it's nice that they've actually progressed to the point of helping us.


Bingo! They are frightened because they no longer have control over the commodity that they have been using to get rich. It is a classic corporations against the masses. Corporations have basically lost the war in this arena. This is an old business model that no longer is valid. If they want to continue to make money they need to adapt.

Bingo! They are frightened because they no longer have control over the commodity that they have been using to get rich. It is a classic corporations against the masses. Corporations have basically lost the war in this arena. This is an old business model that no longer is valid. If they want to continue to make money they need to adapt.

what is sad about their mad rush to have the state protect their business model, and their willingness to sue their customers, and damage other people's products, and their general whining is that it would be so easy for them to have been making even more money than they have been by adapting to the new technological and social circumstances.

i wonder, did the horse stables throw fits when the car became widely available?

From Boing-Boing (http://www.boingboing.net/2006/01/01/coldplays_new_cd_has.html)

This is an image of the insert from the latest Coldplay cd.

http://craphound.com/images/coldplayinsert.jpg

Now take a look at what you've bought--a cd that looks like it won't work on more types of hardware than it will work on. And you don't discover this until you've opened the cd, thus negating any chance of returning it to the record store with a flourish and a finger.

Now I don't listen to Coldplay, and I can't imagine the band actually had anything to do with this, but Jeez, is this where the RIAA is going with their anti-piracy crusade? This is as dumb as the Sony rootkit debacle, maybe worse.Isn't that the protection coding where a less-than-a-dollar marker can foil it?

and note, it doesn't say anything about playing the CD on a player and having it hooked up via Headphone-to-mic port to a recorder.

*starts buying vinyl again*

Hahaha....owned, fuckers.

Yes, the retard of the recording industry are really doing their darndest to put themselves out of business :rolleyes:

From Boing-Boing (http://www.boingboing.net/2006/01/01/coldplays_new_cd_has.html)

This is an image of the insert from the latest Coldplay cd.

http://craphound.com/images/coldplayinsert.jpg

Now take a look at what you've bought--a cd that looks like it won't work on more types of hardware than it will work on. And you don't discover this until you've opened the cd, thus negating any chance of returning it to the record store with a flourish and a finger.

Now I don't listen to Coldplay, and I can't imagine the band actually had anything to do with this, but Jeez, is this where the RIAA is going with their anti-piracy crusade? This is as dumb as the Sony rootkit debacle, maybe worse.
I don't think it's the RIAA in this case as much as it's Virgin, just like the rootkit was Sony.

But as long as people are going around pretending they're Robin Hood so they can justify stealing, the industry is going to try and protect itself. That's what it gets for giving us the benifit of the doubt, now they have to play catch up. And in that they are going to stumble several times.

That being said, I wouldn't buy another Virgin CD until I was assured that it would work on my players.

*starts buying vinyl again*

Hahaha....owned, fuckers.
Thats what you think....

Thats what you think....

Can't put copy protection on vinyl. :)

Can't put copy protection on vinyl. :)
You cant make your own......
Or have a portable Record player.....
Or put them in the microwave to see if they explode...-actually you can.

/me recommends free MP3 download sites. There are legal ones. or this russian MP3 download page. And of course total boycott of copy-protected CDs.

BTW: If a CD doesn't play on your player, it is defective and the shop must take it back and give you your money - at least in .de.

/me recommends free MP3 download sites. There are legal ones. or this russian MP3 download page. And of course total boycott of copy-protected CDs.

BTW: If a CD doesn't play on your player, it is defective and the shop must take it back and give you your money - at least in .de.
You can also use for pay download sites that give you your money's worth and let you do whatever the hell you want with the songs once you have them, like emusic does.

Can't put copy protection on vinyl. :)

and if you burn vinyl back to cd, itunes can still figure out what album it is when you mp3-mofy it.

and if you burn vinyl back to cd, itunes can still figure out what album it is when you mp3-mofy it.
Why are you people using iTunes and iPods? iPods are overadvertised crap and iTunes is the RIAA's bitch.

And if you are using iTunes and don't have an iPod, I demand you send me your computer right now so I can salvage it for shit I need because you don't deserve it.

Why are you people using iTunes and iPods? iPods are overadvertised crap and iTunes is the RIAA's bitch.

And if you are using iTunes and don't have an iPod, I demand you send me your computer right now so I can salvage it for shit I need because you don't deserve it.
*Winces*

I dont but you sound like me talking to my brother
Who uses Itunes but no Ipod

Who uses Itunes but no Ipod
HPs are coming with iTunes installed because some HPs come with deals to get iPods. I uninstalled that mofo.

Don't use Itunes, don't use Ipods.

got better stuff than that.

You can also use for pay download sites that give you your money's worth and let you do whatever the hell you want with the songs once you have them, like emusic does.


*cough*http://www.slsknet.org/*cough*

HPs are coming with iTunes installed because some HPs come with deals to get iPods. I uninstalled that mofo.
Yeah though I always reformat any machine I get automaticaly

Yeah though I always reformat any machine I get automaticaly
They also stopped coming with restore CDs, much less plain Windows XP CDs.

They also stopped coming with restore CDs, much less plain Windows XP CDs.
Some do ... for a while they were throwing a seperate restore partition on the HDD but they have gone back to CD's mostly

Also real copies of xp (sort of) not an image (like e-machines still does)

Simple...when a company does something that the consumers don't like, you don't buy their products. Eventually they'll wise up...otherwise they'll drive themselves to destruction.

I'd prefer the latter personally.

What do you think the phone companies are going to do about free internet phone calls?

What do you think the phone companies are going to do about free internet phone calls?

They're going to either launch their own or buy those companies.

They're going to either launch their own or buy those companies.
Unlikely in this day and age. They will whine and cry to their little bitches in Congress and internet phone will get its ass regulated out of existence, or at least to such a point where it will cost more than regular phone.

What do you think the phone companies are going to do about free internet phone calls?
I am guessing an extreem "carier transfer" charge for them to make their money from when it is turned from an online call back to a standard land line for the person at the other end

Unlikely in this day and age. They will whine and cry to their little bitches in Congress and internet phone will get its ass regulated out of existence, or at least to such a point where it will cost more than regular phone.

Unfortunately, you are quite likely correct...the Congree has a nasty habit of getting involved in business when it shouldn't, especially when politically sensitive industries are involved.

Too funny - I just did a search on free internet calls and the first place it led me too - http://www.skype.com/ - has a 'Coldplay competition'.

By the way - they claim it's free - all yoy have to do is download their software and you can make 'free' calls to any one else that did the same. What do they get from you once their software is scanning your computer?
Do they look for P2P software on your computer so they can report you to the record companies - who then have you arrested for stealing their music?

Hmmm...Speaking of the patriot act...and going around in circles....

I don't think the inventors of Skype give a flying fuck what you do with their invention, seeing as they sold it to eBay for $2.3 billion. I don't use it so I don't actually know whether it does anything like that. Not sure if/how they make money out of it.

I assume that since this is "copy protected," one would be able to return it to the store after opening it?

If this is the case, there ought to be a nationwide buy-open-return campaign.

Unlikely in this day and age. They will whine and cry to their little bitches in Congress and internet phone will get its ass regulated out of existence, or at least to such a point where it will cost more than regular phone.


Let's be precise:

They will pay members of congress to pass legislation which they write.

I use cds as cds, but I still download mp3s, more for the sampling of new music and most of the cds I end up buying are off smaller labels anyways, the big guys don't need more money.

I'd be seriously pissed off to buy a CD, and then not have it work in my car, or perhaps in my house, or at work...I'd take it back immediately. That little insert should be taped to the outside of the package so I can know not to bother buying the piece of crap CD within.

what is sad about their mad rush to have the state protect their business model, and their willingness to sue their customers, and damage other people's products, and their general whining is that it would be so easy for them to have been making even more money than they have been by adapting to the new technological and social circumstances.

i wonder, did the horse stables throw fits when the car became widely available?

Probably. But they didn't try to outlaw gasoline. :p

Let's be precise:

They will pay members of congress to pass legislation which they write.

Bingo. :D

/me recommends free MP3 download sites. There are legal ones. or this russian MP3 download page. And of course total boycott of copy-protected CDs.

BTW: If a CD doesn't play on your player, it is defective and the shop must take it back and give you your money - at least in .de.

Here, they will give you your money back if it's unopened. If it's opened, you can only get a new copy of the same cd. Completely useless in this case.

*starts buying vinyl again*

Hahaha....owned, fuckers.
Ha! Little do you know that Sony has placed $40 Million worth of nanoprobes on the surface of the record to prevent it being copied... yeah it'll mean the record can only be played three times before exploding... and will now cost $200 Million "To cover costs"... but the warm sticky joy you feel from knowing that record producers are staying rich will keep you from complaining...

Copy protecting the CD isn't bad, what is bad is putting the thing inside the CD and not letting you return the CD. That should be illegal.

Copy protecting the CD isn't bad, what is bad is putting the thing inside the CD and not letting you return the CD. That should be illegal.
It isn't?

Around here it is. The infromation about copy protection has to be on the cover. And a CD with that kind of protection is not technically a CD at all. They shouldn't call it a CD.

I've never bought a copy protected record and I never will (err... I think I'll have to take that back one day.)

I quit buying music the day that they threatend to sue thier coustomers. I do not go to any music venue, or buy any merchandice including CD's. I think they won the Dee dee dee award for doing this.

It isn't?According to the Nazz, it was inside the CD:

This is an image of the insert from the latest Coldplay cd.

Now take a look at what you've bought--a cd that looks like it won't work on more types of hardware than it will work on. And you don't discover this until you've opened the cd, thus negating any chance of returning it to the record store with a flourish and a finger.

I think whoever is heading the RIAA at this point of time probably failed in marketing and economics 101. Customer satisfaction and all that was obviously only paid lip service, if at all.

According to the Nazz, it was inside the CD:

Doesn't that mean that you would'nt be able to return it anyway because of the "no returns if opened" policy?

According to the Nazz, it was inside the CD:
Yes I understood it. It doesn't mean it's not illegal.

Doesn't that mean that you would'nt be able to return it anyway because of the "no returns if opened" policy?Exactly.

Yes I understood it. It doesn't mean it's not illegal.I would assume that it isn't as copy protection hasn't been around for all that song, therefore there wouldn't be a law against it.

I only buy from indie labels, I doubt this will effect me. :p

I only buy from indie labels, I doubt this will effect me. :p
Don't be so sure. Some indie labels use copy protection too.

Probably. But they didn't try to outlaw gasoline. :p

and it was written, "all modes of transport are required to purchase and use horseshoes."

and it was written, "all modes of transport are required to purchase and use horseshoes."
Horseshoes make great hood ornaments.

How the hell doesn't the music industry get it? For ever coder they employ, there are ten thousand out there that will reverse their work for free.

How the hell doesn't the music industry get it? For ever coder they employ, there are ten thousand out there that will reverse their work for free.
I know I am ... there is NO software challenge that can not be overcome

I know I am ... there is NO software challenge that can not be overcome
Some are computationally infeasible, though.

I can't see the record companies hiring any programmers that intelligent, though.

http://techdirt.com/articles/20060102/2324223_F.shtml
Bah look at this shit ... RIAA now puts an ip address display on the gokster website that says "logged" in order to scare people

Idiots

http://techdirt.com/articles/20060102/2324223_F.shtml
Bah look at this shit ... RIAA now puts an ip address display on the gokster website that says "logged" in order to scare people

Idiots

That was funny. Really it was. That is the best laugh I have had all day.

Some are computationally infeasible, though.

I can't see the record companies hiring any programmers that intelligent, though.
The thing is if it is computationally un-feasible for US to use on a work station (I am guessing you are talking encryption) it is also computationally un-feasible for legit cd-players to decode

Thats the beauty of it they are limited by the same thing we are ... client side computation

Further they are hindered by keeping it even more user friendly then us computer geeks have to.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/maddillphatyo/Et%20Cetera/coldplayinsert.jpg

My favorite one. Brilliant!

The thing is if it is computationally un-feasible for US to use on a work station (I am guessing you are talking encryption) it is also computationally un-feasible for legit cd-players to decode

Thats the beauty of it they are limited by the same thing we are ... client side computation

Further they are hindered by keeping it even more user friendly then us computer geeks have to.

When is the CD player going the way of the dinosaur? Why aren't MP3 players the only way to get portable music?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/maddillphatyo/Et%20Cetera/coldplayinsert.jpg

My favorite one. Brilliant!

The last one is my favourite. It's almost as if they knew that their plan was going to lose them money.

When is the CD player going the way of the dinosaur? Why aren't MP3 players the only way to get portable music?

Patience, grasshopper. Cds will be gone within ten years.

Patience, grasshopper. Cds will be gone within ten years.
I'm an old guy, and I can't remember the last time I bought a CD.

Bought plenty of iTunes, though.

When is the CD player going the way of the dinosaur? Why aren't MP3 players the only way to get portable music?
Same limitation though ... the MP3 player is limited (even more so then pc) in computational power

If it is encrypted it has to be decrypted to be useable ... no way around that

As such anything they do software wise we can un do

The last one is my favourite. It's almost as if they knew that their plan was going to lose them money.

Can they even do that? I always thought that the only reason CDs couldn't be returned was for copy-protection reasons. If the CD is copy-protected, then why can't I return it if I'm dissatisfied.

I'm just going to buy one of these CDs and then return it saying it's defective because it doesn't work in my car CD player.

Can they even do that? I always thought that the only reason CDs couldn't be returned was for copy-protection reasons. If the CD is copy-protected, then why can't I return it if I'm dissatisfied.

Not in Europe. I don't know about the US.

Can they even do that? I always thought that the only reason CDs couldn't be returned was for copy-protection reasons. If the CD is copy-protected, then why can't I return it if I'm dissatisfied.

I'm just going to buy one of these CDs and then return it saying it's defective because it doesn't work in my car CD player.

If it is sold to you as an audio CD, and does not confirm to CD standards as laid out by the Red Book, then it has been misadvertised by the seller and you have every legal right to a refund.

If it is sold to you as an audio CD, and does not confirm to CD standards as laid out by the Red Book, then it has been misadvertised by the seller and you have every legal right to a refund.

That seems like an awfully complicated procedure. I think I'll just not bother buying any of their CDs.

I only buy from indie labels, I doubt this will effect me. :p
I only buy second hand, or download. It certainly won't affect me. Plus, why the hell would I buy a piece of shit Coldplay CD anyway?

This would be illegal in Aust, The Fair Trading Act requires manufacturers to inform customers PRIOR to purchase of any such hinderences on use. Furthermore a term or condition of sale cannot be established AFTER the exchange of consideration (specifically money for goods)

From Boing-Boing (http://www.boingboing.net/2006/01/01/coldplays_new_cd_has.html)

This is an image of the insert from the latest Coldplay cd.

http://craphound.com/images/coldplayinsert.jpg

Now take a look at what you've bought--a cd that looks like it won't work on more types of hardware than it will work on. And you don't discover this until you've opened the cd, thus negating any chance of returning it to the record store with a flourish and a finger.

Now I don't listen to Coldplay, and I can't imagine the band actually had anything to do with this, but Jeez, is this where the RIAA is going with their anti-piracy crusade? This is as dumb as the Sony rootkit debacle, maybe worse.

Well, from what I understand, its just been recently merged because I have seen the X & Y version down the road, and even ones I have seen, they do have them - maybe thats just the NZ version.

All I can say, its not going to send them bankrupt, both those countries which have laws against that sort of copyright control will become a hot bed of supply to the rest of the world in regards to people ordering cds so that they're no longer uncumbered by over the top copy controls.

You cant make your own......
Or have a portable Record player.....
Or put them in the microwave to see if they explode...-actually you can.

Yeah, but I have a turntable that can rip to PC, i can just put it on my hard drive and burn it to a CD. I'm listening to a ripped CD right now, actually.

and if you burn vinyl back to cd, itunes can still figure out what album it is when you mp3-mofy it.

Meh. I don't use itunes.


Ha! Little do you know that Sony has placed $40 Million worth of nanoprobes on the surface of the record to prevent it being copied... yeah it'll mean the record can only be played three times before exploding... and will now cost $200 Million "To cover costs"... but the warm sticky joy you feel from knowing that record producers are staying rich will keep you from complaining...

So...I play it three times, and then use it as some sort of assassination weapon? Brilliant!


Actually, here's a serious point. What if I play such a CD in my stereo, but then rip it into MP3's using a lead to connect it to the line-in port on my soundcard? The CD won't be able to differentiate the line-in from an external speaker system...

Ah. Problems with CDs...
I bought the Chronicles of Narnia soundtrack. So far, windows media player couldn't read the CD until I accepted the EULA on the CD (I have no own computer, that's my excuse for the travesty of using Windows Media Player). I couldn't copy the songs unless I used the program on the CD itself. I tried that. I got huge two digit MB WMA files that don't play...