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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,180171,00.html

Man I can't wait for these jeans to hit some European countries that have hate speech laws. Oh I forgot Sweden does have a hate speech law http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_hat8.htm

I'll bet they would be howling if those jeans carried an anti-muslim theme.

I would be surprised if even 1 person in 100 who is buying these jeans believed that they represented some kind of anti-Christian (or any other) meaning. It's just fashion...

Much ado about nothing, IMHO. ( shrug )

OMG! Jeans that turn people secular! The horror!

That's not anti-christian
I know a lot of brands that figure an upside down cross, it's just gothic

Anti-Christian Jeans Are a Trend in Sweden
No, they're pro-Satanism jeans. They're no worse that those pesky Christians wearing anti-Satanism crucifixes on necklaces.

No, they're pro-Satanism jeans. They're no worse that those pesky Christians wearing anti-Satanism crucifixes on necklaces.

Very good. :)

er nice... but why not do something a LITTLE more substantial like form an anti-religion political party or something? jeans hardly seem important

Uh oh.... Fox News accusing someone of being Satan again.... 'didn't see that coming...

er nice... but why not do something a LITTLE more substantial like form an anti-religion political party or something? jeans hardly seem important
Jeans are only important when they're wrapped around something attractive! :D

No, they're pro-Satanism jeans. They're no worse that those pesky Christians wearing anti-Satanism crucifixes on necklaces.

they arent pro-satanism jeans, the satanism imagery is used simply as an aesthetic to give a stronger anti-christian stance, not to promote satanism.

My god, what's next? Before you know it, these damn seculars will have us recognizing the existence of...dare I say it...other holidays.

WHERE WILL THE MADNESS END?!





Ooh, look. A butterfly.

Why do Christains think they're always under attack? First they think a word that means "holy day" is out to get them, and now a pair of jeans is going to send them to hell?

I'd laugh if they became popular in the US.

My god, what's next? Before you know it, these damn seculars will have us recognizing the existence of...dare I say it...other holidays.

WHERE WILL THE MADNESS END?!


You need to watch The Daily Show.

You need to watch The Daily Show.

Watch it whenever my schedule allows it. Piece of genious.

Watch it whenever my schedule allows it. Piece of genious.

Did you see Jon pwn O'Reilly a few weeks ago? I think that's the funniest thing I've watched... ever.

aww thats not anti christian, its just a logo.

Bah. You wouldn't see a pair of jeans made to insult Islam because, unlike Christianity, Islam is not a driving force in most of the Western world (meaning Europe and North America).

Christianity is highly unpopular among secularists and others because it is so dominant when it shouldn't be. People that are the loudest and most vocal Chrisitans are the ones that try to shove it down our throats and put it in our laws.

Cheap Monday jeans are just a way to protest this dominance, and apparent oppression, that Christianity appears to hold over governments.

I'd probably buy them if they sold here. :P

My policy on "religious tolerance" is simple. I neither tolerate nor respect any religion who tells me I am evil and will burn in hell for not being of that faith.

Strange isn't it that the only people who find this so offensive is Fox News - Even the Swedish Church wasn't particuarly offended by this. I wouldn't wear the Jeans myself as I find Jeans from charity shops much cheaper,but I know of no-one who would be deeply offended by them

Bah. You wouldn't see a pair of jeans made to insult Islam because, unlike Christianity, Islam is not a driving force in most of the Western world (meaning Europe and North America).

Christianity is highly unpopular among secularists and others because it is so dominant when it shouldn't be. People that are the loudest and most vocal Chrisitans are the ones that try to shove it down our throats and put it in our laws.

Cheap Monday jeans are just a way to protest this dominance, and apparent oppression, that Christianity appears to hold over governments.

I'd probably buy them if they sold here. :P
Besides, while there are no anti-islam jeans there is that danish newspaper publishing pictures of "Muhammed". That would be real blasphemy in islam, but I have yet to see anyone get half as upset as american christians get over nothing.

Strange isn't it that the only people who find this so offensive is Fox News - Even the Swedish Church wasn't particuarly offended by this. I wouldn't wear the Jeans myself as I find Jeans from charity shops much cheaper,but I know of no-one who would be deeply offended by them
The Swedish church makes a point out of being so tolerant about non-christian practices that they are more of a political organisation than a religious one. If Ecce Homo was shown anywere in america they would probably die, but the swedish church invited it to be shown in church (the show in question portraits Jesus as gay, and his crucifixition as a homophobic hate crime).

The Swedish church makes a point out of being so tolerant about non-christian practices that they are more of a political organisation than a religious one. If Ecce Homo was shown anywere in america they would probably die, but the swedish church invited it to be shown in church (the show in question portraits Jesus as gay, and his crucifixition as a homophobic hate crime).

What was "non-Christian" about Ecce Homo?

(the show in question portraits Jesus as gay, and his crucifixition as a homophobic hate crime).

Is it possible to buy this on DVD?

they arent pro-satanism jeans, the satanism imagery is used simply as an aesthetic to give a stronger anti-christian stance, not to promote satanism.

Ignoring the fact that the most important of the apostles was crucified on an upside-down cross: that's the problem with trying to use an inverted crucifix as a symbol of Satanism - the Christians got there first and used it as a sign of Christian humility and faith.

Is it possible to buy this on DVD?

It was a series of photographs. You can see them here. (http://www.ohlson.se/u_ecce.htm)

It was a series of photographs. You can see them here. (http://www.ohlson.se/u_ecce.htm)

If you're looking for a film with gay execution of a Christian by the Romans, then Derek Jarman's Sebastiane will probably do the job.

It was a series of photographs. You can see them here. (http://www.ohlson.se/u_ecce.htm)

Oh; my bad.

My god, what's next? Before you know it, these damn seculars will have us recognizing the existence of...dare I say it...other holidays.

WHERE WILL THE MADNESS END?!





Ooh, look. A butterfly.


The maddness ends with a completely bland and unrecognizable culture with no tradition, no ability to judge what is right and what is wrong, and thus no pride as a nation. The country is 80+% Christian so to slowly erode away all the Christian holidays in favor of bundeling other holidays with the Christian ones errodes the very basic principles the country was founded on. I'm not saying we shouldnt honor other religious holidays however that is not what is happening. They (hannukah, ramadan, kwanzaa) are being honored and even discussed in public schools while all of the sudden the words Merry Christmas have become controversial in those same schools. To me, its not about religeon, its about tradition, a good and noble tradition.

The maddness ends with a completely bland and unrecognizable culture with no tradition, no ability to judge what is right and what is wrong, and thus no pride as a nation. The country is 80+% Christian so to slowly erode away all the Christian holidays in favor of bundeling other holidays with the Christian ones errodes the very basic principles the country was founded on. I'm not saying we shouldnt honor other religious holidays however that is not what is happening. They (hannukah, ramadan, kwanzaa) are being honored and even discussed in public schools while all of the sudden the words Merry Christmas have become controversial in those same schools. To me, its not about religeon, its about tradition, a good and noble tradition.

If your religion is seriously threatened by two intersecting lines attached to a piece of clothing then I think you should go out and find a stronger Faith.

What was "non-Christian" about Ecce Homo?

Isn't it a book by Nietzsche?

If your religion is seriously threatened by two intersecting lines attached to a piece of clothing then I think you should go out and find a stronger Faith.

:D Good point

The "inverted" cross is not anti-Christian, it is a Christian symbol itself, the Pope wears inverted crosses and one of the papal thrones is engraved-through with a large "inverted" cross; its called Saint Peters Cross, the cross of the papacy, because Saint Peter was crucified upside down upon his own request not to be crucified the same way as Jesus; or so the story goes.

Isn't it a book by Nietzsche.

Read the thread before responding, please.

Isn't it a book by Nietzsche?

YEs, it is the title of his intellectual biography. Not the most riveting of his works, despite chapter titles such as "Why I am so clever". But, as others have said, that ain't the EH at discussion here.

Besides, while there are no anti-islam jeans there is that danish newspaper publishing pictures of "Muhammed". That would be real blasphemy in islam, but I have yet to see anyone get half as upset as american christians get over nothing.
Are you friggin serious? You mean nobody took offense? (http://www.islamonline.com/cgi-bin/news_service/world_full_story.asp?service_id=2150)

"An offence has been committed as they have published a cartoon of Prophet Muhammad in a newspaper. It's an offence against Islam and we will not tolerate it, "said Fareeda Bano, chairperson, Muslim Khwateen-I-Markaz.

The cartoon published in Jyllands-Posten, stirred fury among the Muslims.

One accused the paper of violating the laws and international resolutions by publishing such provoking cartoons.

Hundreds of Kashmiri Muslims marched to the UN headquarter shouting anti-Denmark slogans.

Also Muslim women wearing Burqa called for an immediate apology from Denmark.

And a memorandum describing the anger and grievances caused by the cartoon was submitted to the UN officials.

Even the UN got involved and called these cartoons "unacceptable behavior".

aww thats not anti christian, its just a logo.
Somebody hasn't read the article...

Logo designer Bjorn Atldax says he's not just trying for an antiestablishment vibe.

"It is an active statement against Christianity," Atldax told The Associated Press. "I'm not a Satanist myself, but I have a great dislike for organized religion."

The label's makers say it's more of a joke, but Atldax insists his graphic designs have a purpose beyond selling denim: to make young people question Christianity, a "force of evil" that he blames for sparking wars throughout history.

Strange isn't it that the only people who find this so offensive is Fox News - Even the Swedish Church wasn't particuarly offended by this. I wouldn't wear the Jeans myself as I find Jeans from charity shops much cheaper,but I know of no-one who would be deeply offended by them

It's an AP story genius.

$50 is a cheap price for jeans in sweden?

those guys need a walmart!

Uh oh.... Fox News accusing someone of being Satan again.... 'didn't see that coming...

innit!


The maddness ends with a completely bland and unrecognizable culture with no tradition, no ability to judge what is right and what is wrong, and thus no pride as a nation.

so, as christianity disappears, so does our ability to judge right from wrong?! so non-religious people (or people of other faiths) can't do this for themselves, without the help of christianity? that's ridiculous.

by the way, if you think christianity has a "good and noble" tradition...

$50 is a cheap price for jeans in sweden?

those guys need a walmart!


the swedes are richer than the americans though ^_^

Wow. Who knew that an upside down cross on jeans would garner this much attention. It's almost as if the designer KNEW this would cause a lot of controversy and media time, and by extension, give him all this free advertising.

Wait a minute....

Wow, some epeople really need to get a life.

Thank you, Celtlund, for bringing the existence of these jeans to my attention. They look fantastic, I'm going to buy a pair.

Are you friggin serious? You mean nobody took offense? (http://www.islamonline.com/cgi-bin/news_service/world_full_story.asp?service_id=2150)

"An offence has been committed as they have published a cartoon of Prophet Muhammad in a newspaper. It's an offence against Islam and we will not tolerate it, "said Fareeda Bano, chairperson, Muslim Khwateen-I-Markaz.

The cartoon published in Jyllands-Posten, stirred fury among the Muslims.

One accused the paper of violating the laws and international resolutions by publishing such provoking cartoons.

Hundreds of Kashmiri Muslims marched to the UN headquarter shouting anti-Denmark slogans.

Also Muslim women wearing Burqa called for an immediate apology from Denmark.

And a memorandum describing the anger and grievances caused by the cartoon was submitted to the UN officials.

Even the UN got involved and called these cartoons "unacceptable behavior".

Extremists are extremists: Random Muslims, American Christians, etc.

The maddness ends with a completely bland and unrecognizable culture

ROFLOL. So now the Christian Church is a catalyst for diversity? I guess they put all those doctrines against every person that isn't a straight white [insert particular Christian sect here] male behind them....

with no tradition,

Ah, of course, how could I have possibly forgotten the self-evident fact that all the traditions of all people's cultures, religions, and civilizations in, around, and relating to the United States flow directly from the Church...

no ability to judge what is right and what is wrong,

Shocking as it is, some people have the inherent moral fiber to develop morality rationally and independently without any fear of hell, abasement before a divine figure, or mental dependence on the local preacher involved.

and thus no pride as a nation.

Obviously you're the very opposite of a patriot, if you have no pride in your country in and of itself, but only as a proxy for your religion.

The country is 80+% Christian so to slowly erode away all the Christian holidays in favor of bundeling other holidays with the Christian ones errodes the very basic principles the country was founded on.

So holidays are the principles are country was founded on? I'm sure schoolkids and overworked employees would agree with you, but otherwise....

I'm not saying we shouldnt honor other religious holidays however that is not what is happening. They (hannukah, ramadan, kwanzaa) are being honored and even discussed in public schools while all of the sudden the words Merry Christmas have become controversial in those same schools.

No, what's controversial is that public schools with populations of kids that come from more religions than just Christianity are sending out greetings, letters, etc. that say specifically Merry Christmas, as if the Jewish, Muslim, etc. kids didn't matter or didn't exist.

To me, its not about religeon, its about tradition, a good and noble tradition.

Yeah, we all love that Inquisition....and man, those Crusades were awesome....

Two things here:

A.) The cross is not necesarily a Christian symbol. This could be an anti-death penalty message as well.

B.) I don't think it's a huge deal, and would hope it would be kept legal here in America, but it is certainly a case of hypocrisy if the Swedish government protects other religious minorities against hate speech but not Christians.

Bah. You wouldn't see a pair of jeans made to insult Islam because, unlike Christianity, Islam is not a driving force in most of the Western world (meaning Europe and North America).

Christianity is highly unpopular among secularists and others because it is so dominant when it shouldn't be. People that are the loudest and most vocal Chrisitans are the ones that try to shove it down our throats and put it in our laws.

Cheap Monday jeans are just a way to protest this dominance, and apparent oppression, that Christianity appears to hold over governments.

I'd probably buy them if they sold here. :P

In some countries that might be true, but Sweden is 85% non-religious. Christians are just as big a minority there as atheists are in America.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,180171,00.html

Man I can't wait for these jeans to hit some European countries that have hate speech laws. Oh I forgot Sweden does have a hate speech law http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_hat8.htm

I'll bet they would be howling if those jeans carried an anti-muslim theme.

You do have a point. Sweeden arested a man for preaching against gays (which they should have) so if nothing is done against this they are hypocrits. Being anti-christian is no different than anti-gay/muslim/anyother description of a person you can think of. (except nazis they get what they disserve)

Wow. Who knew that an upside down cross on jeans would garner this much attention. It's almost as if the designer KNEW this would cause a lot of controversy and media time, and by extension, give him all this free advertising.

Wait a minute....

I think we can say without hesitation that Sdaeriji has won the thread with this post.

It's an AP story genius.And it got processed by Fox News. Seriously, they put a spin on the German elections making it seem as though the US played a bigger role than Turkey in anyone's decision on what to vote.

If your religion is seriously threatened by two intersecting lines attached to a piece of clothing then I think you should go out and find a stronger Faith.

The point is not that the religion is being threatened. The point is a maker of clothing is using his clothing logo to publicaly express his anti-Christian stance. If it is OK for him to do that, why isn't it OK for other people to express their anti-(Muslim, Jewish, homosexual, etc) stance in a similar manner? Oh, I know...how dumb of me...that would be racism. :(

Thank you, Celtlund, for bringing the existence of these jeans to my attention. They look fantastic, I'm going to buy a pair.

You are welcome. They are planning on selling them in other countries as well.

Extremists are extremists: Random Muslims, American Christians, etc.
Can you imagine American Christians chanting anti-American slogans because some newspaper published a photo of "Piss Christ"?

B.) I don't think it's a huge deal, and would hope it would be kept legal here in America, but it is certainly a case of hypocrisy if the Swedish government protects other religious minorities against hate speech but not Christians.

Someone finally gets it. Two cookies for you. :fluffle:

You do have a point. Sweeden arested a man for preaching against gays (which they should have) so if nothing is done against this they are hypocrits. Being anti-christian is no different than anti-gay/muslim/anyother description of a person you can think of. (except nazis they get what they disserve)

Another person gets it.Two cookies for you also. :fluffle:

Interesting.

the logo: a skull with a cross turned upside down on its forehead.

Oh noes. The travesty. An upside down cross.

I have a Black Sabbath t-shirt with an inverted cross on it. Maybe we should ban them too.

The point is not that the religion is being threatened. The point is a maker of clothing is using his clothing logo to publicaly express his anti-Christian stance. If it is OK for him to do that, why isn't it OK for other people to express their anti-(Muslim, Jewish, homosexual, etc) stance in a similar manner? Oh, I know...how dumb of me...that would be racism. :(

I guess that making a statement that he doesn't like Christianity is well covered by Free Speech. He didn't say "Let's kill Christians" or something. So where's the problem?

I wouldn't see it as offensive except that the designer said, and I quote:

"It is an active statement against Christianity"

Now, that sounds specifically anti Christian to me. However, I have no problems with them being sold, I just hope those who wear them aren't going to come up to me and start spouting hatefull things about my religeon. Now that would be wrong.

I have a Black Sabbath t-shirt with an inverted cross on it. Maybe we should ban them too.

Why not, they're a crappy band anyways.


Sorry, I couldn;t resist that one. Please forgive me.

Why not, they're a crappy band anyways.


Sorry, I couldn;t resist that one. Please forgive me.

No, you die a terrible painful death now. *inflicts with brain cancer*

You do have a point. Sweeden arested a man for preaching against gays (which they should have) so if nothing is done against this they are hypocrits.
But he was released, therefore stating that priests preaching anti-gay and (apparently) people saying ant-religious things is protected by the freedom of religion. Not hypocritical at all, simply following set boundaries.

Can you imagine American Christians chanting anti-American slogans because some newspaper published a photo of "Piss Christ"?

The difference there is that most European Muslims aren't very patriotic or integrated into their countries. They're first- and second-generation immigrants who are Muslims, Arabs, etc. first and members of their current European country much lower on the list. On the other hand, almost all Americans, even if they disagree with most of their country's policies or criticize it, are on some level inherently strongly patriotic. A seriously anti-America American - not just an anti-imperialist or leftist who dislikes it as is an abstract concept - is a fundamental disconnect to us, a shock to the system; like a dog meowing or a black sun or something. You just don't do that here - everyone likes America, viscerally at least, even if America as an abstract concept from an objective POV might inspire dislike or criticism from some people.

The point is not that the religion is being threatened. The point is a maker of clothing is using his clothing logo to publicaly express his anti-Christian stance. If it is OK for him to do that, why isn't it OK for other people to express their anti-(Muslim, Jewish, homosexual, etc) stance in a similar manner? Oh, I know...how dumb of me...that would be racism. :(

didnt the maker deny it? only the rather-too-full-of-himself logo designer claimed that it was an anti-christian statement.

personally i think its just ugly and very much not obvious from looking at it.

You do have a point. Sweeden arested a man for preaching against gays (which they should have) so if nothing is done against this they are hypocrits. Being anti-christian is no different than anti-gay/muslim/anyother description of a person you can think of. (except nazis they get what they disserve)
They arrested and prosecuted him, but the case was struck down in court. Hopefully they have learned this time.

Can you imagine American Christians chanting anti-American slogans because some newspaper published a photo of "Piss Christ"?
Yes I can

God Hates America
(Sung to God Bless America)
God hates America!
Home of the fags
He abhors them
Deplores them
Day and night, all his might, all his days
From her mountains
To her prairies
To her oceans
White with foam
God hates America!
The perverts' home !

http://www.godhatesamerica.com/

So. . . your omnipotent, all mighty, all knowing, eternal God, can be threatened by a pair of bluejeans. Not only that, but this wrathful, vengeful, terribly powerful God can't just bring down the wrath of the heavens, but needs you to go out and post on forums on the internet about how terrible this is and how it must be stopped.

Personaly, I'd find a deity that was a little less paranoid.

why the hell are u ppl taking about jeans. this is nation states not cosmo the fashion website:sniper: :mp5: :headbang:

why the hell are u ppl taking about jeans. this is nation states not cosmo the fashion website:sniper: :mp5: :headbang:

*points*

This is a very bad example of a first post. Note the txt spk, the multiple and unneccessary use of moving smilies and the barely restrained rage.

Why does it seem that every first post has at lease one unnessesary gun smilie?

Why does it seem that every first post has at lease one unnessesary gun smilie?
i think its the mark of a puppet. its not like the gun smilie is in the smilie list

$50 is a cheap price for jeans in sweden?

those guys need a walmart!exactly my thought. for trousers anything more than $15 is unjustified.

also, what puzzles me is how do you turn a cross upside down? an X on its head is still an X.

exactly my thought. for trousers anything more than $15 is unjustified.

also, what puzzles me is how do you turn a cross upside down? an X on its head is still an X.

Thats what the Illumini and the jews and the Kvarians want you to think!

*shiftyeyes*

Who gives a crap?

Let those geeks do what they want.

$50 is a cheap price for jeans in sweden?

those guys need a walmart!


Amen.

So. . . your omnipotent, all mighty, all knowing, eternal God, can be threatened by a pair of bluejeans. Not only that, but this wrathful, vengeful, terribly powerful God can't just bring down the wrath of the heavens, but needs you to go out and post on forums on the internet about how terrible this is and how it must be stopped.

Personaly, I'd find a deity that was a little less paranoid.

First, God and Christianity are not threatened by by those bluejeans. Secondly, no one so far has said they must be stopped from selling them. The point is the duplicity of what is happening; it is OK to bash Christians but it is not OK to bash other religions or groups.

why the hell are u ppl taking about jeans. this is nation states not cosmo the fashion website:sniper: :mp5: :headbang:

This is the General Forum where anyone can post almost anything. I see this is your second post so welcome.

*points*

This is a very bad example of a first post. Note the txt spk, the multiple and unneccessary use of moving smilies and the barely restrained rage.

He/she will learn to cool it on the emotions and use complete sentences with better punctuation and capitalization. Give him/her time. :)

exactly my thought. for trousers anything more than $15 is unjustified.

also, what puzzles me is how do you turn a cross upside down? an X on its head is still an X.

A cross is more like a T than an X.

The point is the duplicity of what is happening; it is OK to bash Christians but it is not OK to bash other religions or groups.
Says who?

Says who?


Says me and I can say that. So there!...sticks tong out and sends a raspberry…
:D

Says who?
Imagine the response if someone was marketing clothes that were anti semetic or anti muslim, and the designer saying that these religions were evil.

remember the whole ice cream logo thing that looked like an Islamic symbol? There was a small uprising over that, and Dairy Queen (I think) immidiatly discontinued making that design.

Ideology on your ass, eh? Nice. :P

Imagine the response if someone was marketing clothes that were anti semetic or anti muslim, and the designer saying that these religions were evil.

remember the whole ice cream logo thing that looked like an Islamic symbol? There was a small uprising over that, and Dairy Queen (I think) immidiatly discontinued making that design.

You mean like these? http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingstuff/186009

Imagine the response if someone was marketing clothes that were anti semetic or anti muslim, and the designer saying that these religions were evil.

remember the whole ice cream logo thing that looked like an Islamic symbol? There was a small uprising over that, and Dairy Queen (I think) immidiatly discontinued making that design.
I hadn't heard of that. But they were perfectly within their right. If they were forced to discontinue it (as opposed to did it just for goodwill) that was a crime.

Jeez I don't understand why there is so much anger towards religions, especially christianity... Why make anti-christian political parties or clothes? If your an atheist then fine but why do you have to harras believers...
Aren't all you liberals supposed to be tolerant?
I have diffrent points of views then most of you but I respect them...
Its funny how christians, who teach love and moral values get bashed while islam, which some of believers are terrorists, is such a touchy subject...

Anyway, if your so "civil" and tolerant why are you bashing christians?

First, God and Christianity are not threatened by by those bluejeans. Secondly, no one so far has said they must be stopped from selling them. The point is the duplicity of what is happening; it is OK to bash Christians but it is not OK to bash other religions or groups.

...precisely what politlcal correctness stands for:

Bash whitey with immunity

Bash Christians with immunity

Meanwhile, if anyone white or christian (especially white christians) says anything even remotely negative -- warranted or not -- about anyone except fellow white christians, they're branded as bigots, racists, or both.

So says King P.C. the Great, keeper of the Godless, Socialist, Race-inclusive culture (that's going straight to hell... hehe)!!!

PC motto: Love thy neighbor as thy self... unless that neighbor is a white person or a Christian (although if the Christian is non-white, praise them for their skin color while gently influencing them to burn their Bible...).

You mean like these? http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingstuff/186009
You try wearing those in Sweden.

This is the General Forum where anyone can post almost anything. I see this is your second post so welcome.

hehe

concerning the jeans themselves... I don't much care what anyone puts on his jeans, maybe except for harmful spikes that could injure others.

FREE THE JEANS!

First, God and Christianity are not threatened by by those bluejeans. Secondly, no one so far has said they must be stopped from selling them. The point is the duplicity of what is happening; it is OK to bash Christians but it is not OK to bash other religions or groups.
I fail to see how the jeans are "bashing" christianity. An upsidedown cross is not necessarily saying all christians suck and I hate them.

And anti-christianity is the rebellion-movement of this era--in the vein of punk and hippies. It manifests especially in the blacak metal scene. And anti-christians tend to hate all religions equally. It's called anti-christianity because christianity is still the major mainstream religion in first world countries.

And who calls this movement liberal? It is not necessarily liberal and has nothing to do with political correctness. If anti-christianity is so liberal why is the belief in recent-times start to be espoused by neo-nazis, as seen by the ever-expanding national socialist black metal scene? No I think it is more of a reactionism.

You try wearing those in Sweden.
Hehe, yeah, wear those and feel watched upon...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,180171,00.html

Man I can't wait for these jeans to hit some European countries that have hate speech laws. Oh I forgot Sweden does have a hate speech law http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_hat8.htm

I'll bet they would be howling if those jeans carried an anti-muslim theme.
Calm down. It's just something that young punks and such wear. It means nothing. Besides, don't you like the wares of www.rightwingstuff.com which says things like "Islam is tha bomb" (which I think is hilarious). You have a double standard here.

Just another that pisses me off. The right treats Christianity as less deserving of criticism than Islam. Many on the left treat it the opposite way. Idiots.

Calm down. It's just something that young punks and such wear. It means nothing. Besides, don't you like the wares of www.rightwingstuff.com which says things like "Islam is tha bomb" (which I think is hilarious). You have a double standard here.

Just another that pisses me off. The right treats Christianity as less deserving of criticism than Islam. Many on the left treat it the opposite way. Idiots.
You're right. People, including me, are biased.

The main point in this thread, if you read it, was that anti-christian things are generally more accepted that anti-[insert religion] things.

Besides, while there are no anti-islam jeans there is that danish newspaper publishing pictures of "Muhammed". That would be real blasphemy in islam, but I have yet to see anyone get half as upset as american christians get over nothing.

err..you don't see much.

http://www.iht.com/bin/print_ipub.php?file=/articles/2005/12/30/news/islam9.php
Cartoons ignite cultural combat in Denmark

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/world/3514784.html
Danish Cartoons of Prophet Irk Muslims
Ragab Zaki, a Muslim Sunni senior cleric at Egypt's Ministry of Endowments.

"Ridiculing any prophet is a crime, according to the Quran," he said.
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"Those cartoons are very offensive to every Muslim feeling, and to Islam as a religion," said Abdel Moeti Bayoumi, a theology professor at Al-Azhar University in Cairo. "Do you expect Muslims to remain silent or rise to defend their religion?"
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11 ambassadors from Muslim countries signed a letter of protest to Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen
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The Danish Foreign Ministry said the youth auxiliary of Pakistan's largest Islamic group, Jamaat-e-Islami, offered a reward of about $8,000 for killing the cartoonists. But spokesmen for the group say they have not made such threats, which Denmark's intelligence service has also downplayed.

In Indian-controlled Kashmir, many shops and businesses shut down Thursday after Islamic separatists and religious groups called a strike to "protest the outrage felt by Muslims over the insulting cartoons," separatist leader Syed Ali Shah Geelani said in a statement.

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan condemned the drawings during a visit to Denmark last month.

U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights Louise Arbour was investigating the matter.

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/540
Bounty Offered for Murdering Cartoonists
The Danish Foreign ministry has warned Danish citizens not to travel to Pakistan. The Pakistani religious party Jamaat-e-Islami and its youth branch have offered a bounty for anyone who murders the Danish illustators who drew cartoons of Muhammad for the Danish daily newspaper Jyllands-Posten.

http://www.cphpost.dk/get/92730.html
Demonstrations in Pakistan have escalated into death threats against Danish illustrators who drew pictures of the prophet Mohammed


The Ministry of Foreign Affairs has warned Danish travellers to Pakistan of increased hazard, after a Danish newspaper’s decision to publish cartoons of Muslim prophet Mohammed escalated into a bounty being placed on the heads of the cartoonists

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,180171,00.html

Man I can't wait for these jeans to hit some European countries that have hate speech laws. Oh I forgot Sweden does have a hate speech law http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_hat8.htm

I'll bet they would be howling if those jeans carried an anti-muslim theme.

I SO want some of these jeans. I wonder if they are available anywhere in the U.S. I will probably have to order them from overseas, and have them shipped. Anyone have a linky to the maker's website? Foxnews (a.k.a. Right-wing-conspiracy-propoganda-station) doesn't provide one, of course.

Why do Christains think they're always under attack? First they think a word that means "holy day" is out to get them, and now a pair of jeans is going to send them to hell?

I'd laugh if they became popular in the US.

The people in charge almost always have persecution fantasies. Just look at the Right Wing in the U.S. as an example. I bet the Christians have secret sessions where they pretend to be crucified or get tied to a stake while someone in a lion suit comes out after them.

He/she will learn to cool it on the emotions and use complete sentences with better punctuation and capitalization. Give him/her time. :)

Yeah, sorry about that. I was a grammar nazi in a previous life.

So says King P.C. the Great, keeper of the Godless, Socialist, Race-inclusive culture (that's going straight to hell... hehe)!!!

We're living in a Socialist culture?:eek:

:) (Happy New Year by the way):)

You try wearing those in Sweden.

http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingstuff/186009

And what? They will throw me in jail? But won't throw people who hate Christians in jail?

Jeez I don't understand why there is so much anger towards religions, especially christianity... Why make anti-christian political parties or clothes? If your an atheist then fine but why do you have to harras believers...
Aren't all you liberals supposed to be tolerant?

Yes they are SUPPOSED to be tolerant. That is what they preach but is not what they practice.

I have diffrent points of views then most of you but I respect them...
Its funny how christians, who teach love and moral values get bashed while islam, which some of believers are terrorists, is such a touchy subject...

Anyway, if your so "civil" and tolerant why are you bashing christians?

That is an excellent question and I would like some liberal to give you a reasonable answer.

I SO want some of these jeans. I wonder if they are available anywhere in the U.S. I will probably have to order them from overseas, and have them shipped. Anyone have a linky to the maker's website? Foxnews (a.k.a. Right-wing-conspiracy-propoganda-station) doesn't provide one, of course.

Contact the Associated Press as they are the ones who released the article the Foxnews only posted what the left-wing-conspiracy-propaganda-station :) released. :eek:

I SO want some of these jeans. I wonder if they are available anywhere in the U.S. I will probably have to order them from overseas, and have them shipped. Anyone have a linky to the maker's website? Foxnews (a.k.a. Right-wing-conspiracy-propoganda-station) doesn't provide one, of course.

Contact the Associated Press as they are the ones who released the article. The Foxnews only posted what the left-wing-conspiracy-propaganda-station :) released. :eek:

YThat is an excellent question and I would like some liberal to give you a reasonable answer.

Because intolerance of intolerance is still intolerance?

Jeez I don't understand why there is so much anger towards religions, especially christianity... Why make anti-christian political parties or clothes? If your an atheist then fine but why do you have to harras believers...
Aren't all you liberals supposed to be tolerant?
I have diffrent points of views then most of you but I respect them...
Its funny how christians, who teach love and moral values get bashed while islam, which some of believers are terrorists, is such a touchy subject...

Anyway, if your so "civil" and tolerant why are you bashing christians?

Because they can. Christians wont deliver their heads to mommy and daddy in a box.

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The "inverted" cross is not anti-Christian, it is a Christian symbol itself, the Pope wears inverted crosses and one of the papal thrones is engraved-through with a large "inverted" cross; its called Saint Peters Cross, the cross of the papacy, because Saint Peter was crucified upside down upon his own request not to be crucified the same way as Jesus; or so the story goes.
Don't expect Americans to know; they're Protestants!

Also Muslim women wearing Burqa called for an immediate apology from Denmark.

And a memorandum describing the anger and grievances caused by the cartoon was submitted to the UN officials.[/i]

Even the UN got involved and called these cartoons "unacceptable behavior".
This is what I hate about religious fundamentalism and political correctness. These Muslims can't accept that by their own choice they live in a land where there is freedom of speech, which includes the freedom to offend. What's worse is when people who are supposed to defend this freedom take the side of the fundamentalists.

$50 is a cheap price for jeans in sweden?

those guys need a walmart!
It's probably cheap within the context of *designer* jeans.

Yeah, we all love that Inquisition....and man, those Crusades were awesome....
Blame the Catholics for those. ;)

The point is the duplicity of what is happening; it is OK to bash Christians but it is not OK to bash other religions or groups.
Most likely the majority of people on this forum would agree with you.

Imagine the response if someone was marketing clothes that were anti semetic or anti muslim, and the designer saying that these religions were evil.
Good point. Not enough time has passed since the Holocaust to make open criticism of Judaism publically acceptable. But the protection that Muslims enjoy is entirely artifical and undeserved. Sometimes they enforce it themselves. Remember Theo Van Gogh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_van_Gogh_(film_director))?

You mean like these? http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingstuff/186009
How can you be against the anti-Christian stuff but for the anti-Islam stuff? Both religions are so similar.

Jeez I don't understand why there is so much anger towards religions, especially christianity... Why make anti-christian political parties or clothes? If your an atheist then fine but why do you have to harras believers...
Aren't all you liberals supposed to be tolerant?
All atheists are liberals?

So says King P.C. the Great, keeper of the Godless, Socialist, Race-inclusive culture (that's going straight to hell... hehe)!!!

I love how conservatives tar socialism as PC, when in fact capitalism is protected by political correctness to a greater degree than socialism. It's like you guys simply think that if you agree with it, then it must not be PC. :rolleyes:

Yes they are SUPPOSED to be tolerant. That is what they preach but is not what they practice.
I don't call myself liberal, but there's no sense in tolerating evil, and it can be dangerous even.

PS you're a hypocrite every time you post that link. Why not answer my previous post if you want to bump your thread?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,180171,00.html

Man I can't wait for these jeans to hit some European countries that have hate speech laws. Oh I forgot Sweden does have a hate speech law http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_hat8.htm

I'll bet they would be howling if those jeans carried an anti-muslim theme.
Hey, those are awesome! Thumbs up for Sweden! :Dhttp://assets.jolt.co.uk/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif
I really would like to have some for myself, hope they make it over here soon (it's not that far).

Right. They're just jeans. Why do people always turn things into an Anti-Christian war? It's not like they actaully say 'We hate Christianity'. Sigh. I thought they might, until I actually read that article.

"The jeans have proved so popular with Swedish youth that Mr. Atldax has announced plans "to make something anti-Hindu because I think its caste system is awful." But he is not considering any anti-Islamic designs because, he observed, "there are already a lot of anti-Islamic sentiments." And why pile on?"
http://www.opinionjournal.com/taste/?id=110007745

Seems to make a good point about Anti-Islamic insults and also shows that he is not only attacking Christianity. Please watch a random episode of South Park and become less sensitive.

Yes they are SUPPOSED to be tolerant. That is what they preach but is not what they practice.

That is an excellent question and I would like some liberal to give you a reasonable answer.

Ahhhh! The evil, intolerant liberals are at it again!

What say you, liberal comrades? Shall we find a juicy Christian church and burn to the ground, then make the charred remains into a mosque so Islam (that we all love and adore) can rise just a little higher?

Because intolerance of intolerance is still intolerance?

Oh man! CHristianity is a religion! A religion usually has some rules about what is moral and what is immoral. I think abortion and so on is immoral and I have the right to. I can debate but i'm not going to bash people that think otherwise...

Ahhhh! The evil, intolerant liberals are at it again!

What say you, liberal comrades? Shall we find a juicy Christian church and burn to the ground, then make the charred remains into a mosque so Islam (that we all love and adore) can rise just a little higher?

I wouldn't be surprised...

ROFLOL. So now the Christian Church is a catalyst for diversity? I guess they put all those doctrines against every person that isn't a straight white [insert particular Christian sect here] male behind them....

Straight and white? You haven't set foot inside a church in very long time.
Ah, of course, how could I have possibly forgotten the self-evident fact that all the traditions of all people's cultures, religions, and civilizations in, around, and relating to the United States flow directly from the Church...

Look at the basic laws that are written and then take a look at the ten commandments....see any similarity? (murdering people is illegal, stealing is illegal) i wonder why that is?
Shocking as it is, some people have the inherent moral fiber to develop morality rationally and independently without any fear of hell, abasement before a divine figure, or mental dependence on the local preacher involved.

They are few and far between though.



Obviously you're the very opposite of a patriot, if you have no pride in your country in and of itself, but only as a proxy for your religion.

I served my country for 7 years and fought in Iraq. I think if you would have been in my squad, you would have been chatting with the almighty. Patriotic enough?
So holidays are the principles are country was founded on? I'm sure schoolkids and overworked employees would agree with you, but otherwise....

No, but the forefathers certainly had a strong sense of a deity being present as one is mentioned in the Dec. of Ind and in so much of their correspondance with one another.
No, what's controversial is that public schools with populations of kids that come from more religions than just Christianity are sending out greetings, letters, etc. that say specifically Merry Christmas, as if the Jewish, Muslim, etc. kids didn't matter or didn't exist

What if there is no population of muslims or jewish kids? Ever been to central texas?

Yeah, we all love that Inquisition....and man, those Crusades were awesome....

The Inquistion and Crusades were undoubtadly the fault of the church. However, there is a difference between the church, and the religeon.
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Oh man! CHristianity is a religion! A religion usually has some rules about what is moral and what is immoral. I think abortion and so on is immoral and I have the right to. I can debate but i'm not going to bash people that think otherwise...But overgeneralize and rely on stereotypes when addressing them.

But overgeneralize and rely on stereotypes when addressing them.

Sorry but I don't know what the hell are you talking about...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,180171,00.html

Man I can't wait for these jeans to hit some European countries that have hate speech laws. Oh I forgot Sweden does have a hate speech law http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_hat8.htm

I'll bet they would be howling if those jeans carried an anti-muslim theme.

My government teacher told us that you can be sued in a civil court of law (in the U.S.) for making slurs about someone, not slander or anything, just insulting them. FOr instance, making racial slurs, calling someone fat, etc... Also, you mentioned the existence of hate legislation. Now how the hell are the KKK and National Socialist Parties allowed to exist with all this hate legislation? How are they allowed to make and sell Nazi propoganda and how the hell are they allowed to march? I mean it's obvious that when neo-nazis and Jews, or the KKK and blacks clash that there are going to be racial slurs emitted. Now, could the Jews or the blacks sue the Nazis and KKK for those????? I don't understand it

Sorry but I don't know what the hell are you talking about...
This:
Jeez I don't understand why there is so much anger towards religions, especially christianity... Why make anti-christian political parties or clothes? If your an atheist then fine but why do you have to harras believers...
Aren't all you liberals supposed to be tolerant?The bold part not only ignores the fact that the people making the jeans are unlikely to be centrists, but leftists (in other words: not liberals). You assume every liberal needs to be tolerant, or claims to be tolerant.
The statement that "liberals are supposed to be tolerant" is a stereotype, since it lumps anyone that considers themselves liberal into a convenient box.
I have diffrent points of views then most of you but I respect them...
Its funny how christians, who teach love and moral values get bashed while islam, which some of believers are terrorists, is such a touchy subject...Another stereotype. Not a negative one, but you assume all Christians are nice people and routinely "teach love" as I know some prominent (and certainly not representative) Christian media figures don't. And don't assume that Christianity doesn't have terrorists. The Atlanta Olympic Games bombing and the Northern Ireland conflict have shown otherwise.
Anyway, if your so "civil" and tolerant why are you bashing christians?And here you're lumping people into a box again. I know for sure that plenty of people that really bash christianity don't consider themselves tolerant or civil.

My government teacher told us that you can be sued in a civil court of law (in the U.S.) for making slurs about someone, not slander or anything, just insulting them. FOr instance, making racial slurs, calling someone fat, etc... Also, you mentioned the existence of hate legislation. Now how the hell are the KKK and National Socialist Parties allowed to exist with all this hate legislation? How are they allowed to make and sell Nazi propoganda and how the hell are they allowed to march? I mean it's obvious that when neo-nazis and Jews, or the KKK and blacks clash that there are going to be racial slurs emitted. Now, could the Jews or the blacks sue the Nazis and KKK for those????? I don't understand it

It is very simple. Anyone can be sued in the U.S. by anyone else, for any reason. Does not mean you will win, and it does not mean you will not be laughed out of court, but you can still sue them.

A constitutional right to freedom of speech trumps most all instances in verbal conflicts, unless of course one gets directly involved with "Terroristic Threats" which is basically a threat of death or great bodily harm. In this case it becomes a criminal offense. One can still sue the individual after the criminal dispostion, however that is kind of like squeezing water from a rock. The only one that would gain from it would be the lawyers.

My government teacher told us that you can be sued in a civil court of law (in the U.S.) for making slurs about someone, not slander or anything, just insulting them. FOr instance, making racial slurs, calling someone fat, etc... Also, you mentioned the existence of hate legislation. Now how the hell are the KKK and National Socialist Parties allowed to exist with all this hate legislation? How are they allowed to make and sell Nazi propoganda and how the hell are they allowed to march? I mean it's obvious that when neo-nazis and Jews, or the KKK and blacks clash that there are going to be racial slurs emitted. Now, could the Jews or the blacks sue the Nazis and KKK for those????? I don't understand it

Your government teacher is wrong or you misunderstood what he said. You can not be sued in civil court in the US for insulting someone, but you can be sued if you slander someone. We have freedom of speach in the US guranteed by the constitution and that is how the KKKK and neo-Nazi groups can spout their hatred and they can not be sued.

Your government teacher is wrong or you misunderstood what he said. You can not be sued in civil court in the US for insulting someone, but you can be sued if you slander someone. We have freedom of speach in the US guranteed by the constitution and that is how the KKKK and neo-Nazi groups can spout their hatred and they can not be sued.

Hmm, so you are allowed to make racial slurs to somebody's face?

Doesn't hate legislation restrict it at all?

I'm anti-hate speech laws anyway (except for, of course, death threats and the like). I'm for almost any sort of message against anyone to be legal, and good for the Swedes that they're willing to sell this

Oh, and I'm a tolerant liberal. And left-ist. Stop generalizing the left by saying they're not liberal :P

This:
The bold part not only ignores the fact that the people making the jeans are unlikely to be centrists, but leftists (in other words: not liberals). You assume every liberal needs to be tolerant, or claims to be tolerant.

Here I was just adressing a certain group of liberals...


Another stereotype. Not a negative one, but you assume all Christians are nice people and routinely "teach love" as I know some prominent (and certainly not representative) Christian media figures don't. And don't assume that Christianity doesn't have terrorists. The Atlanta Olympic Games bombing and the Northern Ireland conflict have shown otherwise.

Yet the foundatiopn of Christianity is love. Sure people sometime fail and get angry and stuff but generally Christianitym so CHristians teach love...


And here you're lumping people into a box again. I know for sure that plenty of people that really bash christianity don't consider themselves tolerant or civil.

I'm not lumping people into boxes, I'm just adressing those who think they're tolerant...

No, they're pro-Satanism jeans. They're no worse that those pesky Christians wearing anti-Satanism crucifixes on necklaces.

I wear a crucifix anti-satanism. It's pretty. And it's one way that my school allows me to represent my religion of which I am very proud.

Hmm, so you are allowed to make racial slurs to somebody's face?

Doesn't hate legislation restrict it at all?

No, but his fist in your face might restrict you. :D

Yet the foundatiopn of Christianity is love. Sure people sometime fail and get angry and stuff but generally Christianitym so CHristians teach love...

And yet, despite the foundation of Christianity being love, or so you say, plenty of Christians do very un-lovey things.

Like kill their fellow man.

Or subject their fellow man to many a-cruel thing.

We're only human.

So, shall we stop generalising? Liberals are supposed to be tolerant, Celtlund said. They should, but like any human, not everyone IS. Similar with Christians. They should be 'kumbaya'-ing with the world, but not every Christian does. It's being human, failing to be what they should be (by their adopted creed, religion, belief-in-self/spirit/etc) but hopefully always striving to try to attain.

And yes, it is unfair for Muslims to get so much protection, as it is unfair for Christians to being hated so much. It would help if the West, being majority a Christian sector, stopped intervening in non-Western affairs in such an overt manner.

I would say more, but I seem to lack the words that I really want to say. So sorry if this post, especially the last bit, is somewhat convoluted or badly written.

Man I can't wait for these jeans to hit some European countries that have hate speech laws. Oh I forgot Sweden does have a hate speech law http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_hat8.htm
Wait, how is it hate speech? The article doesn't mention any statements about Christians on the jeans, merely inverted crosses and phrases such as "Over my dead body".

isn't fox one of those fundi-loonie channels? and is "over my dead body" satanistic? I always thought it just meant "no, never whilst I'm alive"

(Bolol steps up to the podium and raises his conductor's baton to the chorus in front of him)

Chorus: Call the WAAAAAAHHMBULANCE!!!!

(Bolol steps up to the podium and raises his conductor's baton to the chorus in front of him)

Chorus: Call the WAAAAAAHHMBULANCE!!!!

*Points to Bolol's sig*

Bad Bolol! Bad!

http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/7814/smileytroutsmack8gs.gif

"The jeans have proved so popular with Swedish youth that Mr. Atldax has announced plans "to make something anti-Hindu because I think its caste system is awful." But he is not considering any anti-Islamic designs because, he observed, "there are already a lot of anti-Islamic sentiments." And why pile on?"
http://www.opinionjournal.com/taste/?id=110007745
I think the real reason is because he doesn't want to become another Theo van Gogh.

I wouldn't be surprised...
I don't know about that, Islam in general is much more conservative than Christianity.

It is very simple. Anyone can be sued in the U.S. by anyone else, for any reason. Does not mean you will win, and it does not mean you will not be laughed out of court, but you can still sue them.

You have too many fucking lawyers.

No, but his fist in your face might restrict you.
Punching people in the face is also illegal. :rolleyes:

So, shall we stop generalising? Liberals are supposed to be tolerant, Celtlund said. They should, but like any human, not everyone IS. Similar with Christians. They should be 'kumbaya'-ing with the world, but not every Christian does.
Jesus H. Christ (sue me), why do so many people assume that no liberals are Christian, and that all Christians are conservative?

The message isn't even a hate-message.

That's like saying that Bad Religion's logo is a hate-image.

It doesn't matter what religion is represented in it, all the jeans are saying is "boo for this religion" not "the people of this religion are a cancer on a society that should be cured of it."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,180171,00.html

Man I can't wait for these jeans to hit some European countries that have hate speech laws. Oh I forgot Sweden does have a hate speech law http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_hat8.htm

I'll bet they would be howling if those jeans carried an anti-muslim theme.

Your understanding of hate speech laws is thinner than those jeans.

Your understanding of hate speech laws is thinner than those jeans.

Hey, now, those are good quality jeans. That's just unnecessary!

They could have just made crossbuster jeans. Those would work, but Bad Religion might sue, I don't know if they own the rights to the symbol or anything.

My government teacher told us that you can be sued in a civil court of law (in the U.S.) for making slurs about someone, not slander or anything, just insulting them. FOr instance, making racial slurs, calling someone fat, etc... Also, you mentioned the existence of hate legislation. Now how the hell are the KKK and National Socialist Parties allowed to exist with all this hate legislation? How are they allowed to make and sell Nazi propoganda and how the hell are they allowed to march? I mean it's obvious that when neo-nazis and Jews, or the KKK and blacks clash that there are going to be racial slurs emitted. Now, could the Jews or the blacks sue the Nazis and KKK for those????? I don't understand it

Your government teacher doesn't know what he is talking about. You cannot be sued simply for making a racial slur or insulting someone.

Your questions illustrate evidence of why your government teacher has to be wrong.

(Ask him/her to show you the statute.)

Hmm, so you are allowed to make racial slurs to somebody's face?

Doesn't hate legislation restrict it at all?

*sigh*

Here (http://www.adl.org/99hatecrime/intro.asp) is an authoritative description of hate crime legislation in the U.S. It is a site recommended by the Department of Justice.

As you can see their is a big difference between a hate crime and mere hate speech.

It is very simple. Anyone can be sued in the U.S. by anyone else, for any reason. Does not mean you will win, and it does not mean you will not be laughed out of court, but you can still sue them.

This is true, however, you will not only loose but face sanctions if your lawsuit is frivolous.

So, as a practical matter, you can't just sue anyone for anything.