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I recently got a Belgian Flack Jacket for Christmas, and I was wondering if any of you could help me out. I'd like to know what kind of stuff it could stop. The only specs that are in english are as fallowed:

SAE 847691
SEYNTEX
SIZE: LARGE LONG
NR.: 975

Anyone can help me out? Any additional info you could give me? I appreciate it much.

I'd like to think a Flak Jacket could stop anything, except for a direct him from a 120mm of course......:p

What are the other specs in? If French, I could make much more sense of it.

I recently got a Belgian Flack Jacket for Christmas, and I was wondering if any of you could help me out. I'd like to know what kind of stuff it could stop.
I'd be willing to bet it'd stop cheese. Belgian cheese, anyway. Not to quibble, but what possible use will you have for a Belgian Flack jacket?

I'd like to think a Flak Jacket could stop anything, except for a direct him from a 120mm of course......:p

Actually, Flak jackets usually cant stop anything larger than .45, and some not even that. Hence Flak, as in shrapnel and such. The heavier jackets, kevlar, or ones with metal inserts, usually can stand up to assault rifle rounds. Few can stand up to full sized cartridges(such as 7.62 NATO, etc).

whatever you have planned for this flak jacket DONT DO IT.

you dont really need a darwin award now do you

What are the other specs in? If French, I could make much more sense of it.

Looks to be Dutch.

I'd be willing to bet it'd stop cheese. Belgian cheese, anyway. Not to quibble, but what possible use will you have for a Belgian Flack jacket?

For when the government comes for me :p

Pretty much just to put on my wall, to display.

I recently got a Belgian Flack Jacket for Christmas, and I was wondering if any of you could help me out. I'd like to know what kind of stuff it could stop. The only specs that are in english are as fallowed:

SAE 847691
SEYNTEX
SIZE: LARGE LONG
NR.: 975

Anyone can help me out? Any additional info you could give me? I appreciate it much.
Seyntex is a textile manufacturer that makes a variety of products, including bullet resistant vests. It's a Belgian company.

Vests in the US are generally rated by the NIJ. A NIJ Certified model has successfully stopped 48 rounds in laboratory conditions. These conditions, considered "worst case," are usually beyond what you'll ever encounter on the street. During certification, vests are shot both dry and wet and at various angles. Each vest is placed against a soft clay surface and shot in a predetermined pattern to test for backface deformation that can cause blunt trauma. (Since a bullet hits with a sledgehammer impact, blunt trauma can debilitate your ability to respond to an attack.)

If it's military or police surplus, it's likely a Level IIA vest. Police vests from Seyntex are usually dark blue, and the military vests are done in the Belgian Army camouflage. Armor with this level of protection is generally inexpensive, and widely available to civilians. Generally resistant to smaller caliber pistol rounds and most shell fragments.

The more modern vests, such as the IBA worn by US forces, which are generally Level IV vests with ceramic or titanium strike plates. It can stop an armor piercing rifle round. Such body armor is generally not sold to the public - the manufacturers like pleasing the police and military by not selling to the public, and many countries have laws that forbid civilian possession.

On the other hand, no matter what kind of armor you're wearing, it pays not to be shot. Bullets have a tendency to miss the armor and hurt you.

whatever you have planned for this flak jacket DONT DO IT.

you dont really need a darwin award now do you

Why does everyone assume that I'm ganna do something dumb because I have a flak jacket? I must have a reputation :p

Seyntex is a textile manufacturer that makes a variety of products, including bullet resistant vests. It's a Belgian company.

Vests in the US are generally rated by the NIJ. A NIJ Certified model has successfully stopped 48 rounds in laboratory conditions. These conditions, considered "worst case," are usually beyond what you'll ever encounter on the street. During certification, vests are shot both dry and wet and at various angles. Each vest is placed against a soft clay surface and shot in a predetermined pattern to test for backface deformation that can cause blunt trauma. (Since a bullet hits with a sledgehammer impact, blunt trauma can debilitate your ability to respond to an attack.)

If it's military or police surplus, it's likely a Level IIA vest. Police vests from Seyntex are usually dark blue, and the military vests are done in the Belgian Army camouflage. Armor with this level of protection is generally inexpensive, and widely available to civilians. Generally resistant to smaller caliber pistol rounds and most shell fragments.

The more modern vests, such as the IBA worn by US forces, which are generally Level IV vests with ceramic or titanium strike plates. It can stop an armor piercing rifle round. Such body armor is generally not sold to the public - the manufacturers like pleasing the police and military by not selling to the public, and many countries have laws that forbid civilian possession.

On the other hand, no matter what kind of armor you're wearing, it pays not to be shot. Bullets have a tendency to miss the armor and hurt you.

Thank you, this is just the kind of info I was looking for. It is Belgian Cammo, so it's military. It can have strike plates zipped in, but was sold with none (probably for the reasons you mentioned)

Not getting shot is always the first plan :)

When you buy a flak jacket, and ask just how much of a bullet you can take... we get worried, boy.

Actually, Flak jackets usually cant stop anything larger than .45, and some not even that. Hence Flak, as in shrapnel and such. The heavier jackets, kevlar, or ones with metal inserts, usually can stand up to assault rifle rounds. Few can stand up to full sized cartridges(such as 7.62 NATO, etc).

i think your correct,(about stopping shrapnel) but i don't think they can stop .45 or any pistol/rifle round at medium range.

the ones i am accustomed too are graded as, starting at least effective for stopping bullets are....flak jacket(bulky and for grenade and arty shrapnel)
level 1.again shrapnel
level 2.shrapnel and minor caliber hangun stuff
level 3.shrapnel/minor calibers up to .44 magnum,and with a trauma plate...light rifle calibers.
level 4.all the above and not sure if it will handle the heavier rifle stuff like 7.63*54 stuff,but i think they will stop most 5.56(.223) up to the 7.63*39 ak round.
i wouldn't want to try one out with someone popping off at me with an .06 or bigger(hell my .270 with sst's and high energy bullets)i wouldnt feel safe in anything less then an apc!
as an aside...level 4 is only legally available to military/law enforcement.at least here in the u.s.a

i just got a level 3 for shits and giggles(my friend got one so i did as well)and now we are arguing who gets to get shot first with it on as a trial.(my self would and will test it on a tree stump...he thinks that is chicken..lol..i aint shooting him and he sure as hell aint shooting me)but i am curious as too how effective it is.
we gonna just use a .38 or a 9mm,but whats the point of having it if you cant trust it?

also,i have read that a .22 lr will penetrate deeper then any of the larger caliber hangun stuff cause it cuts thru the kevlar better then the wide broad bullets.

something about ballistic co efficiant and smaller frontal density and such.

if you have a flak vest...DONT GET SHOT AT!:mp5:

Here's a link to the company's homepage:

http://www.seyntex.com/products.aspx?cid=1&lang=en

Maybe you can find your jacket?

Most of the personnal body armors can stop small caliber bullets like .22 or 9mm. New Kevlar vest are said to stop .233 (5.56 mm) bullets. Lvl 4 armor should stop 7.62 (AK-47) and some heavier caliber bullets, but those armors are only found on armored cars. So, depending on the jacked u have it will stop some of the lightest calibers, but not the bigger ones.
Older jackets like WW2 style were more used to prevent injuries to sharpnels from grenades or flak shells for the aviators.

Most of the personnal body armors can stop small caliber bullets like .22 or 9mm. New Kevlar vest are said to stop .233 (5.56 mm) bullets. Lvl 4 armor should stop 7.62 (AK-47) and some heavier caliber bullets, but those armors are only found on armored cars. So, depending on the jacked u have it will stop some of the lightest calibers, but not the bigger ones.
Older jackets like WW2 style were more used to prevent injuries to sharpnels from grenades or flak shells for the aviators.

A kevlar vest in itself will not stop rifle rounds. It needs a trauma plate. My Army-issued Interceptor says right on the tag that 'this vest will not stop rifle rounds or sharp objects, such as knives.' The plates that are issued with it, fortunately, will stop a 7.62x39 round. Actually, they stop several of them, as we demonstrated just to make certain!
If your belgian vest if anything like the old Vietnam era jackets that my unit had before we deployed, don't count on it stopping anything at all.

A kevlar vest in itself will not stop rifle rounds. It needs a trauma plate. My Army-issued Interceptor says right on the tag that 'this vest will not stop rifle rounds or sharp objects, such as knives.' The plates that are issued with it, fortunately, will stop a 7.62x39 round. Actually, they stop several of them, as we demonstrated just to make certain!
If your belgian vest if anything like the old Vietnam era jackets that my unit had before we deployed, don't count on it stopping anything at all.

Ironically, there were reports of Red Army soldiers' winter jackets stopping SMG rounds.

Actually, Flak jackets usually cant stop anything larger than .45, and some not even that. Hence Flak, as in shrapnel and such. The heavier jackets, kevlar, or ones with metal inserts, usually can stand up to assault rifle rounds. Few can stand up to full sized cartridges(such as 7.62 NATO, etc).
Really that is quite interesting i would have figured a Bullet Proof Vest would have only been able to handle small arms fire and a Flak Jacket would have been able to handle big weapons.

I hope you didnt actually think i would ever suggest a Flak Jacket could stop an artillary/tank shell.-There would be nothing left.

Hopefully you won't need to use it. :D