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The Bohemian Grove is an all male campground where Presidents, leaders of industry, media, and corporations all meet. It could possibly be the biggest gathering of the most powerful men in the Unietd States. In itself, this could be said to be "conflict of interest", but what is more unusual are the rituals that did and supposedly continue to take place there. This is what many conspiracy theories center around, but the existence of the Bohemian Grove is no secret.

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"To purge himself of worldly concerns, a member of the elite Bohemian Club participated in a 1915 Cremation of Care ceremony—complete with candles and a robed and hooded comrade to guide him. This private club of influential men still meets annually north of San Francisco and uses this symbolic ritual to kick off its summer retreat. But today the ceremony involves burning a mummy-like effigy named Care at the foot of the group’s mascot: a 40-foot-tall (12-meter-tall) concrete owl."





Taken from the Bohemian Grove Action Network
What is the Bohemian Grove?
The Bohemian Grove is a 2700 acre redwood forest, located in Monte Rio, CA. It contains accommodation for 2000 people to "camp" in luxury. It is owned by the Bohemian Club.

What is the Bohemian Club?
The Bohemian Club is a private. all male club, which is headquartered in the Bohemian building in San Francisco. It was formed in 1872 by men who sought shelter from the frontier culture (or lack of culture).

Who are the present members?
The Club has evolved into an association of rich and powerful men, mostly of this country (there are similar organizations in other countries). Some artists are allowed to join (often at reduced rates), because of their social status and entertainment value. The membership list has included every Republican U.S. president (as well as some Democrats) since 1923, many cabinet officials, and director; & CEO's of large corporations, including major financial institutions.

What industries are represented among the members?
Major military contractors, oil companies, banks (including the Federal Reserve), utilities (including nuclear power), and national media (broadcast and print) have high-ranking officials as club members or guests. Many members are, or have been, on the board of directors of several of these corporations. You should note that most of the above industries depend heavily on a relationship with government for their profitability.

The members stay in different camps at the Grove, which have varying status levels. Members & frequent guests of the most prestigious camp (Mandalay) include: Henry Kissinger, George Shultz, S. D. Bechtel, Jr., Thomas Watson Jr. (IBM), Phillip Hawley (B of A), William Casey (CIA). and Ralph Bailey (Dupont). George Bush resides in a less prestigious camp (Hillbillies) with A. W. Clausen (World Bank), Walter Cronkite, and William F. Buckley.


Articles on the Bohemian Grove:
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1489
http://www.sonomacountyfreepress.com/bohos/bohoindx.html

It's called "networking".

The Americans just can't do anything without an absurd level of ceremony.

It's called "networking".

The Americans just can't do anything without an absurd level of ceremony.

Yea but the blatant networking in itself is corrupt, i can see a few friends here or there from different sectors of society but not all the most powerful men in the country meeting together intentionally.

Yea but the blatant networking in itself is corrupt, i can see a few friends here or there from different sectors of society but not all the most powerful men in the country meeting together intentionally.
Why wouldn't they? We're talking about a very exclusive peer group here--makes perfect sense to me that they'd meet intentionally. That's not to say it doesn't bother me--concentrated power almost always does--but it's not surprising. You don't need something silly like Bohemian Grove to believe that the rich and powerful are trying to dominate the world economy--they've been doing that for centuries now.

But today the ceremony involves burning a mummy-like effigy named Care at the foot of the group’s mascot: a 40-foot-tall (12-meter-tall) concrete owl.

0_o

Good to know these are the people who lead America.

Why wouldn't they? We're talking about a very exclusive peer group here--makes perfect sense to me that they'd meet intentionally. That's not to say it doesn't bother me--concentrated power almost always does--but it's not surprising. You don't need something silly like Bohemian Grove to believe that the rich and powerful are trying to dominate the world economy--they've been doing that for centuries now.

*nods in agreement*

But today the ceremony involves burning a mummy-like effigy named Care at the foot of the group’s mascot: a 40-foot-tall (12-meter-tall) concrete owl.


0_o

Good to know these are the people who lead America.

Well I don't know the symbolism of this ritual, but we already knew they didnt care about any one here their doing a ritual to literally say it.

You don't think the rituals are strange at all?

You don't think the rituals are strange at all?

no stranger than any of the other rituals that all groups develop.

no stranger than any of the other rituals that all groups develop.

I really haven't heard of effigy burning in Boy Scout meetings. :/

You don't think the rituals are strange at all?
No stranger than my fraternity initiation, which compared what I hear from friends in other organizations, is pretty tame. I had a female friend who was buried in a coffin for half an hour during hers.

Why is all-male so emphasized in the article can't men do something without women tattletailing and demanding in. :rolleyes:

Cybach']Why is all-male so emphasized in the article can't men do something without women tattletailing and demanding in. :rolleyes:
No clue what that whopper of a run-on sentence was supposed to mean, but as far as I could gather it really had nothing to do with the article at all.

Hey, at least now I have one more freak-show to worry about than the Masons....even though the Bohemian Grove isn't, y'know, right in my back yard....

I think the rituals are different, and possibly intended to weird out some people. Then again, the Order of the Arrow is an honor society for the Boy Scouts and it has rituals that would appear odd.

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To carry on
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No stranger than my fraternity initiation, which compared what I hear from friends in other organizations, is pretty tame. I had a female friend who was buried in a coffin for half an hour during hers.
I was buried in a female friend for a half an hour during mine.


Film, paddlings paint and all.



Just kidding. I don't get along well with others, thus no fraternity.

Too many teardrops for one heart to be cryin'
Too many teardrops for one heart
To carry on
You're gonna cry ninety-six tears
You're gonna cry ninety-six tears
You're gonna cry cry, cry, cry, now
You're gonna cry cry, cry, cry
Ninety-six tears c'mon and lemme hear you cry, now
Ninety-six tears (whoo!) I wanna hear you cry
Night and day, yeah, all night long
Uh-ninety-six tears cry cry cry
C'mon baby, let me hear you cry now, all night long
Uh-ninety-six tears! Yeah! C'mon now
Uh-ninety-six tears!
Thinks Cat's Eye, movie of Stephen King's short stories/novellas.
;)

Bouncy bouncy!!! Ain't static fun?

I was buried in a female friend for a half an hour during mine.


Film, paddlings paint and all.



Just kidding. I don't get along well with others, thus no fraternity.
Quality. :D

Cybach']Why is all-male so emphasized in the article can't men do something without women tattletailing and demanding in. :rolleyes:

Damn right. There are women's colleges and women's clubs and women's groups all over the place, but have one single all-men organization and feminists become banshees. Of any civil rights activism category, I think that feminists have the highest ratio of die-hard, irrational fanatical whack-jobs to normal activists. Don't get me wrong, I have no beef with women or feminism, but you have to admit, there are plenty of what I term 'femiNazis' around. There are some crazy black civil rights people/statements- Kanye West's claims that Bush told the NatGuard to murder blacks in the streets of NO come to mind - but I've come across a lot more irrational, aggressive, hostile, overly-outspoken feminists.

Damn right. There are women's colleges and women's clubs and women's groups all over the place, but have one single all-men organization and feminists become banshees. Of any civil rights activism category, I think that feminists have the highest ratio of die-hard, irrational fanatical whack-jobs to normal activists. Don't get me wrong, I have no beef with women or feminism, but you have to admit, there are plenty of what I term 'femiNazis' around. There are some crazy black civil rights people/statements- Kanye West's claims that Bush told the NatGuard to murder blacks in the streets of NO come to mind - but I've come across a lot more irrational, aggressive, hostile, overly-outspoken feminists.You know, you can be a jerk without slandering people--West said that Bush doesn't care about black people (and I've never seen anything to contradict that). He never accused Bush of telling the National Guard to murder blacks on the streets of New Orleans.

What exactly have you seen that tells you that Bush doesn't care about blacks? The burden of proof falls upon the affirmative. There have been few to no racial civil rights issues during his Presidential term besides affirmative action, and there is pretty much no basis to make a rational, informed decision on his racism or lack thereof. Assuming that just because he's a Southern Republican he automatically hates black people is no better than assuming that all Democrats are Reds.

Also, that's not what I heard. Now, it's possible that I got the person wrong and it was Jesse Jackson or something, but someone made claims to that effect.

Quality. :D
Thanks. I appear to do better when i make sh*t up.
;)

What exactly have you seen that tells you that Bush doesn't care about blacks? The burden of proof falls upon the affirmative. There have been few to no racial civil rights issues during his Presidential term besides affirmative action, and there is pretty much no basis to make a rational, informed decision on his racism or lack thereof. Assuming that just because he's a Southern Republican he automatically hates black people is no better than assuming that all Democrats are Reds.

Also, that's not what I heard. Now, it's possible that I got the person wrong and it was Jesse Jackson or something, but someone made claims to that effect.Bush gutted the civil rights division of the justice department and his economic policies have disproportionately hurt minorities. I'm not saying he's actively racist--I'm saying he's apathetic when it comes to race issues. During the post-Katrina non-response, Senator Barack Obama said "passive indifference is as bad as active malice." Bush is guilty of passive indifference as far as I'm concerned.

As to your second comment, if you're going level that kind of charge, you better damn well have backup for it. As far as I know, no one made that kind of charge, and if you can prove that someone did, you ought to be able to find proof of it pretty easily. So do your homework and come back with it.

Bush gutted the civil rights division of the justice department and his economic policies have disproportionately hurt minorities. I'm not saying he's actively racist--I'm saying he's apathetic when it comes to race issues. During the post-Katrina non-response, Senator Barack Obama said "passive indifference is as bad as active malice." Bush is guilty of passive indifference as far as I'm concerned.

As to your second comment, if you're going level that kind of charge, you better damn well have backup for it. As far as I know, no one made that kind of charge, and if you can prove that someone did, you ought to be able to find proof of it pretty easily. So do your homework and come back with it.
Surprisingly enough, you're still waiting for it.
Rush, O'Reilly and Savage's websites must be all backed up from that Xmas cheer advertising, and didn't have room on their servers for a few of their accusations. Makes it harder to find.

And yet I think the fact of what our government leaders are doing, like this, means they really are only self-interested in dont care about ANYONE not just a race.

Also to note George Bush, his father, etc. are known PROVEN to attend this (they have been seen going in, it is a fact, not a "conspiracy"). So if dark mock pagan rituals are going on there, isnt George Bush just the great Christian.

Another fascinating discussion....one may think im a conspiracy theorist,

my honest belief now is its just another networking group, just like a glorified college fraternity (which even many college frats draw on pagan symbolism, but only conservative Christians criticize that aspect) but the conflict of interest is obvious.

Another fascinating discussion....one may think im a conspiracy theorist,

my honest belief now is its just another networking group, just like a glorified college fraternity (which even many college frats draw on pagan symbolism, but only conservative Christians criticize that aspect) but the conflict of interest is obvious.

Dude--start a new thread instead of exhuming this one from the moldy grave into which it had crept with, apparently, little fanfare.


On second thought, don't start a new one. Just drop it already.

ill just start another one in that case..its an interesting topic, why not?

ill just start another one in that case..its an interesting topic, why not?

It really isn't all that interesting.

Really is...

Nevermind

The symbolism in it is just interesting..and as I said the point of the discussion was to say is it a "Proven Conspiracy, Harmless, corrupt, or Sinister"

Let's leave ancient threads in the General Graveyard where they belong.

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