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A tribute to the well-known Post-Katrina beer looter. Pictures were taken from all over the internet. Enjoy.

This dude is a national icon now. He's known as the "henieken looter". Most of these aren't mine though.

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/3928/babyloot1yj.jpg

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/5585/bldlogo16fe.jpg

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/5243/fastlooter4im.jpg

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/9038/lootbook4iu6lb.jpg

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/2894/looter19yb.jpg

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/4886/nolooterbeervendor1qg.jpg

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/4600/nolootercomparison8xb.jpg

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/232/nolooterexamine3rt.jpg

HAMMER TIME!!!!!!!!!!!

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/2536/nolooterhammertime5dy.gif


http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/2715/nolootershortbus9zw.jpg


http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/1439/nolooterwaterboy1mp.jpg

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/6117/predatorlooter1yi.gif

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/4324/reddawnofthedeadheat8cu.jpg

Why hasn't anyone done a Vader one? That guy's head looks like Vader's phallic helmet.

EDIT: And WTF is that dogs and cat one doing in there??

I've got more just gotta dig them up...I'll postem here for ya'lls benefit (of course)

I suspect that the good people of ARFCOM Productions are behind most of these!

I suspect that the good people of ARFCOM Productions are behind most of these!

Yes. The happy people of ARF-COM are a good bunch. Many a looter hath been slain by those lovable, mighty armchair hugging commandos :D

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3261/pryor23tw.jpg

You'd think if he was pinching the stuff rather than paying for it he'd have nicked better beer...

You'd think if he was pinching the stuff rather than paying for it he'd have nicked better beer...

You'd think he'd loot food and other necessities instead.

Probably has enough stuff stashed back home, just came to loot for the fun of it.

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/2536/nolooterhammertime5dy.gif


http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/2536/nolooterhammertime5dy.gif

More

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/2715/nolootershortbus9zw.jpg

jesus...

You'd think he'd loot food and other necessities instead.

Probably has enough stuff stashed back home, just came to loot for the fun of it.
Ahhhh, "Southern by the Grace of God" huh? Now I think I know where y'all are comin' from. :(

We should really take him to the doctor for check up... :( :rolleyes:

judas priest...

It's funny because he's black.

We should really take him to the doctor for check up... :( :rolleyes:
Might be a waste of time. He probably has something that they never heard of before?

Might be a waste of time. He probably has something that they never heard of before?
The "Grace of God"-Syndrome I would think. But I'm not a doctor...

It's funny because he's black.
Is that what it is? Gee, I would never have guessed that. Thanks for the help. :)

Maybe too much Iraq for him?

judas priest...

jesus...

Is that what it is? Gee, I would never have guessed that. Thanks for the help. :)

You're welcome.

The "Grace of God"-Syndrome I would think. But I'm not a doctor...
Perhaps we should consult with the real McCoy? Doctor McCoy that is?

The unabashed racism in these pictures is just appalling.

The fact that ARF-COM and IBTL is claiming to be going into law enforcement coupled with this, and numerous earlier, displays sends shivers down my spine.

A tribute to the well-known Post-Katrina beer looter. Pictures were taken from all over the internet. Enjoy.

... But in every news break they would warn <<< DO NOT DRINK WATER >>> <<< WATER IS DANGEROUS >>> so...?


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The unabashed racism in these pictures is just appalling.

The fact that ARF-COM and IBTL is claiming to be going into law enforcement coupled with this, and numerous earlier, displays sends shivers down my spine.
You mean displays like this? (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9577103&postcount=4)

The unabashed racism in these pictures is just appalling.

The fact that ARF-COM and IBTL is claiming to be going into law enforcement coupled with this, and numerous earlier, displays sends shivers down my spine.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OH GOD THAT WAS FUNNY! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHa:p

But really I do agree. You're completely correct.

The unabashed racism in these pictures is just appalling.

The fact that ARF-COM and IBTL is claiming to be going into law enforcement coupled with this, and numerous earlier, displays sends shivers down my spine.

I'm glad you agree.

... But in every news break they would warn <<< DO NOT DRINK WATER >>> <<< WATER IS DANGEROUS >>> so...?
A very good point indeed.

Sorry, I'm in a rant and about to fall asleep until I wake up at 3am.

1. I am angry about the way the government is handling NO, and not because of aid.
2. New Orleans is a national disgrace that makes me hang my head in shame.
3. I want the city to be razed and the rebellion crushed
4. I want the city to be burned to the ground
5. I want the city to be A-bombed into history.
6. I want the city to be Nuked from orbit
7. I want the good citizens of NO evacuated, but the thugs left. Let the 82nd airborne, private security forces, and the remnants of the NOPD deal with the looters.
8. Then burn the city to the ground. Nuke it, ABOMB it, High-five it with a 100-kiloton can of sunshine.
9. W needs to grow a set of cajones on this issue and commence the artillery strikes on NO.you need a Doctor...

Perhaps we should consult with the real McCoy? Doctor McCoy that is?
"It's worse than that: he's mad, Jim..."

The unabashed racism in these pictures is just appalling.

There's no racism.

It's funny because he's black.

Hardly. It's because he's a fuggin' looter. If he was white, or mexican, or asian it would be the same thing.

There's no racism.

Are you for some reason impaired when it comes to reading the fake "eubonics" directed at this person in such a way as to ridicule his racial background and ethnicity?

You mean displays like this? (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9577103&postcount=4)

As I wrote, one of but numerous. *sigh*

The unabashed racism in these pictures is just appalling.

The fact that ARF-COM and IBTL is claiming to be going into law enforcement coupled with this, and numerous earlier, displays sends shivers down my spine.

Yup. I am making my career 'Homeland security' if you will (Not the department). I'm graduating with my Associates next fall and I will stick around school as long as I can afford to work on my Bachelor's (then Masters....)

Hardly. It's because he's a fuggin' looter. If he was white, or mexican, or asian it would be the same thing.Still, not funny at all. You are targeting a guy who is a victim of the hurricane. If you're the victim and you lost everything, will it be nice to make fun of you too?

Dude, just go see a doctor. :rolleyes:

Still, not funny at all. You are targeting a guy who is a victim of the hurricane. If you're the victim and you lost everything, will it be nice to make fun of you too?
The fact that he's looting such a non-essential item as beer compels me to question his victim status.

Are you for some reason impaired when it comes to reading the fake "eubonics" directed at this person in such a way as to ridicule his racial background and ethnicity?
Eubonics is not a sign of black people. It's a sign of idiots and jokers.

Seriously. All the jokes are about him looting beer. There are none about him being black.

The fact that he's looting such a non-essential item as beer compels me to question his victim status.


Eubonics is not a sign of black people. It's a sign of idiots and jokers.

Seriously. All the jokes are about him looting beer. There are none about him being black.


Well when you see the world through a narrow point of view you get these type of responses. This is just humor out of a major tragedy. This guy is funny in my mind. It is nice to see a bit of humor in such a horrific scene. this by no means lessens any of the tragedy.

The fact that he's looting such a non-essential item as beer compels me to question his victim status.

Seeing as how all the water was fucking filled with shit, beer suddenly becomes a hell of a lot more essential than one might think.

Seeing as how all the water was fucking filled with shit, beer suddenly becomes a hell of a lot more essential than one might think.


Good point.

Seeing as how all the water was fucking filled with shit, beer suddenly becomes a hell of a lot more essential than one might think.
I don't buy that. Why not loot non-intoxicating drinks?

I don't buy that. Why not loot non-intoxicating drinks?
Maybe he didn't have that choice?

I'd take what I can in a situation like this.

I just checked out the TheBeerLooter.com site. This is a classic one that got me laughing.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c179/KilliansPub/beer-looter-dude-dyqfch.jpg

Maybe he didn't have that choice?

I'd take what I can in a situation like this.

Hell, If I was hungry and thirsty you bet I would be looting too. Although you would see a AR-15 strapped to my back. Just to make sure.....

Maybe he didn't have that choice?

I'd take what I can in a situation like this.
It's unlikely, so we can never really know. He would need to be really desparate to take beer. It's not so great to be drunk while trying to escape a disaster area.

I don't see why everyone is going all protective of him. Why can't you just appreciate the humour? Damned political correctness...

Why can't you just appreciate the humour?
Well, I probably would, if I didn't know who posted it. (Plus, it's not really that funny)

Damned political correctness...
It's because we're all Marxist traitors. Really.

There are none about him being black.
Actually, there is. One of the pictures is enitled Looterboy. Calling a black man "boy", is about as racist as it gets.

Certainly nothing politically correct about it.

Perhaps if you read some of the previous posts by the OP, you might understand the objections that are being raised here. However, if on the other hand you have the same mindset as the OP, then one would be able to understand your defence of his posting.

I just checked out the TheBeerLooter.com site. This is a classic one that got me laughing.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c179/KilliansPub/beer-looter-dude-dyqfch.jpg

That guy (Saddam's who-ever-he-is), he's such a pretty bad liar. :D

But still, that looter thing is still not funny.

The fact that he's looting such a non-essential item as beer compels me to question his victim status.The water is dirty. There might be bottled water but what if he can't find it, maybe beer is the only choice.

Actually, there is. One of the pictures is enitled Looterboy. Calling a black man "boy", is about as racist as it gets.

Certainly nothing politically correct about it.

Perhaps if you read some of the previous posts by the OP, you might understand the objections that are being raised here. However, if on the other hand you have the same mindset as the OP, then one would be able to understand your defence of his posting.agreed

agreed

"Looterboy" is a spoof of the Adam Sandler movie "The Waterboy". Obviously calling Adam Sandler "boy" is racially wrong, I see.


:rolleyes:

"Looterboy" is a spoof of the Adam Sandler movie "The Waterboy". Obviously calling Adam Sandler "boy" is racially wrong, I see.


:rolleyes:


Apparently some lack a sense of humor. Obviously they would not have made that connection. ;)

You mean displays like this? (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9577103&postcount=4)

I think my response there says it all ...

Keruvalia's Emotional Outburst (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9579218&postcount=48)

Obviously calling Adam Sandler "boy" is racially wrong, I see.what? calling Sandler a "girl" would be more appropriate?

I think my response there says it all ...

Keruvalia's Emotional Outburst (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9579218&postcount=48)
It sure does sum it up quite adequately. :)

This thread is just a further example how low some people are willing to go. Quite sad actually. :(

It sure does sum it up quite adequately. :)

This thread is just a further example how low some people are willing to go. Quite sad actually. :(

Yup. Looting beer during a natural disaster...I do agree.

It sure does sum it up quite adequately. :)

This thread is just a further example how low some people are willing to go. Quite sad actually. :(

You seriously need to lighten up. You obviously have a problem here. It is not the one's finding a bit of humor in life. This is not about racism or inequality. Get over yourself and have a laugh for once. If this guy was white/Asian/Latin or whatever we would still be laughing at it. The reason it is funny is because of all things this guy grabs beer. It is a moment of humor in a overall tragic event. You and the other few on here that keep moaning about how it's racist and un-pc to post about this guy are the people that make society what it is today. I find it somewhat odd though that the two main downers on this thread are Canadians from the same area.

You seriously need to lighten up.
How does one lighten up seriously? :rolleyes:

You obviously have a problem here.
A guy starts a thread with racial overtones and I am the one with a problem? Perhaps you need to take a closer look at the thread and what the other posters have stated?

It is not the one's finding a bit of humor in life. This is not about racism or inequality.
It isn't? Ya coulda fooled me.

Get over yourself and have a laugh for once.
I laugh all the time. Just because I don't find racist overtones funny, doesn't mean that I don't have a sense of humour.

If this guy was white/Asian/Latin or whatever we would still be laughing at it.
However, the guy was black, so we don't really know if your analogy is correct, now do we?

The reason it is funny is because of all things this guy grabs beer.
Hmmmm. Well 7 of the pictures don't show him with beer at all and uses less than complimentary comments, such as "it'sh a burf-daye", and "better not loot my gold teeth", among others.

It is a moment of humor in a overall tragic event. You and the other few on here that keep moaning about how it's racist and un-pc to post about this guy are the people that make society what it is today.
I see it as racist and you don't. Does that make you right and me wrong? I don't think so. IMHO threads like this one promotes racial intolerance, and is totally unnecessary.

I find it somewhat odd though that the two main downers on this thread are Canadians from the same area.
I guess you didn't read the whole thread, or insist on putting your own spin on the topic. There have been a total of 10 posters who don't share ARF's and your sense of humour.

BTW, The Chinese Republic and I are about 3,000 miles apart, so suggesting that we are from the "same area", suggests that either you know little about Canada's geography or that you would consider a person living in Buffalo as being in the same "area" as you. You are from the Seattle area?

Besides that, why does it matter what country I am from, or for that matter where TCR, Keruvalia, or Fass are from?

I think these pictures are hilarious. Guess that means I hate Africans.

I think these pictures are hilarious. Guess that means I hate Africans.
Why? The looter is American. :confused:

There have been a total of 10 posters who don't share ARF's and your sense of humour.And probably plenty of readers like me, who were too busy laughing to bother with posting against the PC nonsense.

Some of the pix are funny and some aren't, just like with any collection of joke pix.

As for the "boy" that someone mentioned, that's got to be the most overrated thing out there. I worked in a factory with mostly black people, and guess what?? "Boy" is what they called EVERY male regardless of the target's color! (Granted, it could have been influenced by their socioeconomic status [lower class]. Or location [Detroit].) But nobody there was taking offense over it. To actually insult someone, they'd add a derogatory adjective in front of the "boy," like "crazy ass."

Heck, "boy" (for a man) had never been part of my vocabulary, until I worked in there!

I think these pictures are hilarious. Guess that means I hate Africans.
Do you hate Afro-Americans?

The unabashed racism in these pictures is just appalling.

The fact that ARF-COM and IBTL is claiming to be going into law enforcement coupled with this, and numerous earlier, displays sends shivers down my spine.
Racist American cops? Never!

Does anybody even know why beer was first invented? It was an easy and safe way to store grain. They called it liquid bread.

If I was stranded with no food or water, and limited resources, beer would be what I would get first. Liquid and calories, and it won't spoil. (may skunk, but it won't hurt ya, just taste nasty)

So, if you ask me, the dude was on the right track.

Obviously calling Adam Sandler "boy" is racially wrong, I see.


:rolleyes:
Yeah except Sandler was like 30+ years old, so calling a man "boy" would sent you to the hospital... in the ER.

Also, this "looterboy" poster

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/1439/nolooterwaterboy1mp.jpg

is as worst as this poster depicting a British man calling a Chinese man "boy".

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/AS_1900s_postcard_01.jpg

Yup. Looting beer during a natural disaster...I do agree.
The water is FUCKING UNDRINKABLE? What do you want him to do, die of thirst?

Does anybody even know why beer was first invented? It was an easy and safe way to store grain. They called it liquid bread.

If I was stranded with no food or water, and limited resources, beer would be what I would get first. Liquid and calories, and it won't spoil. (may skunk, but it won't hurt ya, just taste nasty)Hmmm... sounds convincing. :D
So, if you ask me, the dude was on the right track.
huh? which dude? :confused:

Does anybody even know why beer was first invented? It was an easy and safe way to store grain. They called it liquid bread.

That is spurious at best: the safest way to store grain is to bury it underground and then seal it in there. That grain which is on the outside and exposed to moisture starts to germinate and so uses up all the oxygen in the pit, which then causes the rest of the seed to start hibernating. Even in a case of flooding or seepage of large amounts of water into the pit, the lack of available oxygen prevents decomposition.

The water is FUCKING UNDRINKABLE? What do you want him to do, die of thirst?Well, I believe ARF never drink fresh water before. Probably the only drink ARF ever had is beer. Hmmm... I guess that's what causing him to make outrageous threads like this one and then make stupid senseless post. :rolleyes:

That is spurious at best: the safest way to store grain is to bury it underground and then seal it in there. That grain which is on the outside and exposed to moisture starts to germinate and so uses up all the oxygen in the pit, which then causes the rest of the seed to start hibernating. Even in a case of flooding or seepage of large amounts of water into the pit, the lack of available oxygen prevents decomposition.
Yeah, that works really well on a boat. :rolleyes:

Not to mention the pesky transport problem.

The water is FUCKING UNDRINKABLE? What do you want him to do, die of thirst?

Actually, beer would dehydrate you further.

Actually, beer would dehydrate you further.
Not if you keep drinking it, silly.

Yeah, that works really well on a boat. :rolleyes:

Not to mention the pesky transport problem.


If you are of a sufficiently advanced technological level to produce portable airtight containers for the storage of beer, then you are also obviously sufficiently advanced to produce portable airtight containers for the storage of grain, no?

Calling brewing beer a way to 'store' grain is like calling a forest fire a way to 'store' wood.

I am pretty new in these forums and know nothing about any of these posters, but what i can say is those who find no humor in the pictures need to get a life. They are in no way racist. They would be funny if it was a black, asian, white, mexican, or any other race. It is really sad that life has to be so politically correct at times, to the extent that you can't find humor in any tragedies. Laughter helps you live longer, and if everyone loosened up and didn't take so much offense over things life would be greater for you and everyone else. CHILL OUT. Smoke a joint if you need, but after all we are just living one life, and it is too short to waste on complaining about others jokes.



p.s. if i was stuck in NO at the time, i would jack some beer too, and whatever other drugs i could get ahold of to make my time being stuck there more enjoyable. Once in a situation that you cannot change (being stuck on top of your house, or in a flood area) You might as well try to make the best of it and enjoy your time being there.

I am pretty new in these forums and know nothing about any of these posters, but what i can say is those who find no humor in the pictures need to get a life. They are in no way racist. They would be funny if it was a black, asian, white, mexican, or any other race. It is really sad that life has to be so politically correct at times, to the extent that you can't find humor in any tragedies. Laughter helps you live longer, and if everyone loosened up and didn't take so much offense over things life would be greater for you and everyone else. CHILL OUT. Smoke a joint if you need, but after all we are just living one life, and it is too short to waste on complaining about others jokes.
I'm sorry but I refuse to chill out on this one. As a proud black man I'm apauled that so many people can find humour in blatent and untethered racism.

Over the past few months I've noticed that people no longer feel a need to hide their racist beliefs and gallantly wear them on their sleeves. Well I'm sorry, but enough is enough.

I'm sorry but I refuse to chill out on this one. As a proud black man I'm apauled that so many people can find humour in blatent and untethered racism.

Over the past few months I've noticed that people no longer feel a need to hide their racist beliefs and gallantly wear them on their sleeves. Well I'm sorry, but enough is enough.

I am in no way racist and I find this picture funny, and i bet i could find plenty "proud black men" who find those pictures funny too. Untill we all learn to look past other people's and our own color we will never be united as humans, which we all are. I pray for the day we can all just live together peacefully and laugh about the time that "BeerLooter" stole all those Heinikens and(hopefully) made it through such a tragic disaster. Life would be so much more fulfilling.

I am in no way racist and I find this picture funny, and i bet i could find plenty "proud black men"
I challenge you to find one

I'm sorry but I refuse to chill out on this one. As a proud black man I'm apauled that so many people can find humour in blatent and untethered racism.

Over the past few months I've noticed that people no longer feel a need to hide their racist beliefs and gallantly wear them on their sleeves. Well I'm sorry, but enough is enough.
I thought being proud of your race was being racist?

Or is that only if your white?


By the way, I'll bet you laugh you ass off when Dave Chappelle pretends to be a white man. I know I do. It's called humor. No one is saying "put the chains back on"

We're just laughing at pics. See my thread about PC for more info. ;)

I thought being proud of your race was being racist?

Or is that only if your white?
You thought wrong. Being offence towards someone else's race is racist.

You thought wrong. Being offence towards someone else's race is racist.
That's bull and you know it. If I said I was proud to be white, you'd jump all over me and name a thousand reasons why being proud to be white is racist.

Quit throwing stones. Your gonna break your house.

You thought wrong. Being offence towards someone else's race is racist.

Being proud of YOURSELF is good, being proud of yourself because your black on the other hand is destructive. Like i said earlier, untill we are able to look past our OWN color, and others, there will always be racism.

That's bull and you know it. If I said I was proud to be white, you'd jump all over me and name a thousand reasons why being proud to be white is racist.

Quit throwing stones. Your gonna break your house.
I never once jumped down anyone's throat for being proud of their heritage.

Quit using tired cliches. Your going to look like a dick.

I never once jumped down anyone's throat for being proud of their heritage.

Quit using tired cliches. Your going to look like a dick.
I'm engaging in debate, your calling names. Who looks like what now?

Being proud of YOURSELF is good, being proud of yourself because your black on the other hand is destructive. Like i said earlier, untill we are able to look past our OWN color, and others, there will always be racism.
So you're saying I shouldn't be proud of my race? That's a little too ignorant for my liking. I happen to very proud to be black, I'm proud to human, I'm proud to be atheist, I'm proud of every facit of my being. There's no reason why we need to not be proud to be rich, to be male, to be a worker, to be female, to be black, to be white.

I'm engaging in debate, your calling names. Who looks like what now?
Wait did you just try and use "Iknow you are, you said you are, so what am I?" on me...?

That aside, the fact is I have never "jumped down [anyone's] throat [for] being proud of their race"

Wait did you just try and use "Iknow you are, you said you are, so what am I?" on me...?

That aside, the fact is I have never "jumped down [anyone's] throat [for] being proud of their race"
Well, you claim to be "Mr. P.C." so one could infer that you actually believe what you say, instead of just trumpeting it as a way of fitting in to a crowd. Kinda like wearing designer clothes.

Being proud of your race is very un-P.C.

So which is it?

So you're saying I shouldn't be proud of my race? That's a little too ignorant for my liking. I happen to very proud to be black, I'm proud to human, I'm proud to be atheist, I'm proud of every facit of my being. There's no reason why we need to not be proud to be rich, to be male, to be a worker, to be female, to be black, to be white.

You shouldn't be proud of your race exclusivly. All those things you mention, wealthy, black, human, athiest, worker, male. Those are all components of yourself. It is extremely important to be proud of yourself, but when you narrow it down and exclusively lable yourself as a "Proud Black Man", i believe it does more harm then good. I never go around saying i am proud to be white, but i will say i am proud to be who i am (all the components that i am, and that i stand for). By categorizing yourself as a "Proud Black Man" you set yourself aside from every other human being that isn't black and that is when racism begins. "Imagine" by John Lennon is a good song to listen to, because there is some truth to it. Untill we learn to stop categorizing ourselves as Catholics, Athiest, Muslim, American, French, German, British, Black, White, Asian, etc... we will never be able to live together as one people, which is what we are.

You shouldn't be proud of your race exclusivly. All those things you mention, wealthy, black, human, athiest, worker, male. Those are all components of yourself. It is extremely important to be proud of yourself, but when you narrow it down and exclusively lable yourself as a "Proud Black Man", i believe it does more harm then good. I never go around saying i am proud to be white, but i will say i am proud to be who i am (all the components that i am, and that i stand for). By categorizing yourself as a "Proud Black Man" you set yourself aside from every other human being that isn't black and that is when racism begins. "Imagine" by John Lennon is a good song to listen to, because there is some truth to it. Untill we learn to stop categorizing ourselves as Catholics, Athiest, Muslim, American, French, German, British, Black, White, Asian, etc... we will never be able to live together as one people, which is what we are.
Well said!

but what i can say is those who find no humor in the pictures need to get a life. They are in no way racist. It's not just racism but ARF is using a hurricane katrina victim for humour.

But humour or not, he made this very disgusting rant about the N.O. disaster earlier.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9577103&postcount=4

You shouldn't be proud of your race exclusivly. All those things you mention, wealthy, black, human, athiest, worker, male. Those are all components of yourself. It is extremely important to be proud of yourself, but when you narrow it down and exclusively lable yourself as a "Proud Black Man", i believe it does more harm then good. I never go around saying i am proud to be white, but i will say i am proud to be who i am (all the components that i am, and that i stand for). By categorizing yourself as a "Proud Black Man" you set yourself aside from every other human being that isn't black and that is when racism begins. "Imagine" by John Lennon is a good song to listen to, because there is some truth to it. Untill we learn to stop categorizing ourselves as Catholics, Athiest, Muslim, American, French, German, British, Black, White, Asian, etc... we will never be able to live together as one people, which is what we are.I say I have to agree with you, take Stormfront (http://www.stormfront.org/) for example. They're SO "proud" of their race, I can't find a word to describe them as "overly beyond civil".

It's not just racism but ARF is using a hurricane katrina victim for humour.

But humour or not, he made this very disgusting rant about the N.O. disaster earlier.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9577103&postcount=4

I saw that link before and i disagree with it whole-heartedly, however, the pictures can be seen as humorous in my opinion. I understand that guy is a Hurricane Katrina victim, and i understand where you are coming from, but the day that i am not allowed to find humor in the tragedies i encounter is the day i no longer want to live.

The only issue is that if we allow ourselves to laugh at racist/stereotypical comments (yes there's a difference) then we allow it to integrate into our society. Just like we did with drugs/guns on the school premesis, and teenage pregnancy. We don't try and stop guns from going into classrooms by talking with the kids. We stick metal dectectors in the front door. We don't encourage abstinence, we hand out condoms. If we just continue to allow this stupid behavior and shrug off racism, we're screwed.

The only issue is that if we allow ourselves to laugh at racist/stereotypical comments (yes there's a difference) then we allow it to integrate into our society. Just like we did with drugs/guns on the school premesis, and teenage pregnancy. We don't try and stop guns from going into classrooms by talking with the kids. We stick metal dectectors in the front door. We don't encourage abstinence, we hand out condoms. If we just continue to allow this stupid behavior and shrug off racism, we're screwed.


Are you telling me kids were never told to not bring guns into the classroom? I know i was informed that was wrong, and i also know my parents drilled me to not lose my virginity till i was married, but i did. However, i do understand your message of things integrating into society through acceptance and tolerance.

Well, you claim to be "Mr. P.C." so one could infer that you actually believe what you say, instead of just trumpeting it as a way of fitting in to a crowd. Kinda like wearing designer clothes.

Being proud of your race is very un-P.C.

So which is it?
I'm going to assume that the some childhood accident left you unable to detect humour and therefore view my thread on Xmas PC as a serious discussion. In which case I pity you and hope they find a cure soon.

Nice job on attempting to seamlessly slide into another topic. Shame you fell on your arse trying.

You shouldn't be proud of your race exclusivly. All those things you mention, wealthy, black, human, athiest, worker, male. Those are all components of yourself. It is extremely important to be proud of yourself, but when you narrow it down and exclusively lable yourself as a "Proud Black Man", i believe it does more harm then good. I never go around saying i am proud to be white, but i will say i am proud to be who i am (all the components that i am, and that i stand for). By categorizing yourself as a "Proud Black Man" you set yourself aside from every other human being that isn't black and that is when racism begins. "Imagine" by John Lennon is a good song to listen to, because there is some truth to it. Untill we learn to stop categorizing ourselves as Catholics, Athiest, Muslim, American, French, German, British, Black, White, Asian, etc... we will never be able to live together as one people, which is what we are.
Oh what a lovely sugar coated world that would be. Where everyone could come out a production line exactly the same.

The fact is we are all different and rather then trying to be something we're not. We should embrace diversity.

So much social tension could be relieved if we all celebrated what makes us unique and what makes us alike.

Are you telling me kids were never told to not bring guns into the classroom? I know i was informed that was wrong, and i also know my parents drilled me to not lose my virginity till i was married, but i did. However, i do understand your message of things integrating into society through acceptance and tolerance.

Actually the point I was trying to get at is that this stuff does happen, and we shouldn't give up on trying to stop it. Which is why I think we shouldn't tolerate racism (or its "overtones")

And anyway, we all belong to the master race.

I'm going to assume that the some childhood accident left you unable to detect humour and therefore view my thread on Xmas PC as a serious discussion. In which case I pity you and hope they find a cure soon.

Nice job on attempting to seamlessly slide into another topic. Shame you fell on your arse trying.
How very typical of your threads. You say something ignorant, people get offended, and then you say "btu I was just kidding, it was a joke"

He made fun of a black guy. You started a thread and made it a point to offend ALL Christians (I'm atheist, by the way), but it's ok, because you were just kidding, right?


Excuse me, my hypocrisy sensors are overloading.

Actually the point I was trying to get at is that this stuff does happen, and we shouldn't give up on trying to stop it. Which is why I think we shouldn't tolerate racism (or its "overtones")

And anyway, we all belong to the master race.
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j/k ;)

You started a thread andmade it a point to offend ALL Christians (I'm atheist, by the way), but it's ok, because you were just kidding, right?What makes you think he offended ALL Christians.
There are some among their ranks who acknowledge that not everyone shares their beliefs and that it's wrong to assume such and push their beliefs into the day to day interaction of other people.

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j/k ;)

Quick MiB, get out of here before the feminists arrive!

Oh what a lovely sugar coated world that would be. Where everyone could come out a production line exactly the same.

The fact is we are all different and rather then trying to be something we're not. We should embrace diversity.

So much social tension could be relieved if we all celebrated what makes us unique and what makes us alike.

I never said we should try and be something we are not, and i never said that we had to hide our differences, i just said being proud solely on the fact that you are black doesn't do anything but create more barriers within each other. Share you ethnic food, beliefs, traditions, holidays, and so forth. Celebrate your differences and educate those around you about your culture, but being proud solely on the fact that you are black (which wasn't even determined by you) is, in my opinion, doing more harm then good. It might win you (or any race) more civil rights, better jobs, and so forth, but when it comes down to it, you are still categorizing yourself apart from all humans that aren't black.

What makes you think he offended ALL Christians.
There are some among their ranks who acknowledge that not everyone shares their beliefs and that it's wrong to assume such and push their beliefs into the day to day interaction of other people.

And today I did a little dance when I the official City holiday banners of the past ten years disappeared in favour of "Happy Holidays". Suck on that Jesus!
Yeah, silly me. I'm sure no Christians were offended at all.

Quick MiB, get out of here before the feminists arrive!
No way, I'm stayin right here. They might be hot! :D

What makes you think he offended ALL Christians.
There are some among their ranks who acknowledge that not everyone shares their beliefs and that it's wrong to assume such and push their beliefs into the day to day interaction of other people.

This is changing topics, but i better solution would be (as he said in this thread) to celebrate ALL religions, and not get rid of those which we already do.

"We should embrace diversity.

So much social tension could be relieved if we all celebrated what makes us unique and what makes us alike."

Ok that was about a page of semi-humorous photoshop pics and 6 pages of people crying. Mommy there's a racist under the bed!" Funny that some people saw a funny picture made of a 5 minute celebrity and the one's crying 'racist' only saw a black guy. No not funny sad readlly really sad....

No way, I'm stayin right here. They might be hot! :D


I wonder if it's possible to score with a feminist....assuming you aren't another woman that is. Well, enough spamming for now.

Ok that was about a page of semi-humorous photoshop pics and 6 pages of people crying. Mommy there's a racist under the bed!" Funny that some people saw a funny picture made of a 5 minute celebrity and the one's crying 'racist' only saw a black guy. No not funny sad readlly really sad....
As I said before - it's not an issue of the pictures, it's an issue of the pictures in conjunction with who was presenting them - namely a bigoted, very-Christian (I would say "Fundamentalist", but you know how that goes these days), Southern-US Nationalist with an unhealthy fascination for Americans going to war in foreign places to kill "evildoers", a dislike for everything "un-American" (like the UN, or Europe) and who actually wants to go into law enforcement (or to be more exact, "Homeland Security").

This is just dumb.

The poster was called "The Looterboy" because the movie was called "The Waterboy." There'd be no joke if the poster was called "The Looterman", because there'd be no connection to the movie. Period.

Now, I think it would be the height of social commentary and satire if someone altered the looter to look white (without a stupid headswap,) and then renamed the movie poster "Finderboy" and placed it right next to the original "Looterboy" poster.

See, then it's be poking fun at the media's dumb (and probably unconscious, but wrong anyway,) and racist distinction between "looting" and "finding". Also, the "boy" portion of the joke would be shown to be merely a convention to tie the joke to the movie.

There, everyone happy????

As I said before - it's not an issue of the pictures, it's an issue of the pictures in conjunction with who was presenting them - namely a bigoted, very-Christian (I would say "Fundamentalist", but you know how that goes these days), Southern-US Nationalist with an unhealthy fascination for Americans going to war in foreign places to kill "evildoers", a dislike for everything "un-American" (like the UN, or Europe) and who actually wants to go into law enforcement (or to be more exact, "Homeland Security").

Stop being intolerant of my beleifs. Tolerance is good, mm'kay?

:D

Not sure if it counts, but I drive a West-German made car :D
Wanna bet it was made in Eastern Europe? They all are.

As I said before - it's not an issue of the pictures, it's an issue of the pictures in conjunction with who was presenting them - namely a bigoted, very-Christian (I would say "Fundamentalist", but you know how that goes these days), Southern-US Nationalist with an unhealthy fascination for Americans going to war in foreign places to kill "evildoers", a dislike for everything "un-American" (like the UN, or Europe) and who actually wants to go into law enforcement (or to be more exact, "Homeland Security").

That's a pretty long list of things that are entirely unrelated. Very Christian is racist how? The black Methodists might have a problem getting your meaning there. Southern US? Like MLK an American from the South? What's the connection where's the relationship to bigotry? Even the quoted post from a different NO thread (Thanks for giving us zero context I guess that remark occurred in a vacuum without the flame baiting so common on these forums. He just sort of went nuts eh?) while reactionary to the extreme was completely without racial context.

That's a pretty long list of things that are entirely unrelated. Very Christian is racist how? The black Methodists might have a problem getting your meaning there. Southern US? Like MLK an American from the South? What's the connection where's the relationship to bigotry? Even the quoted post from a different NO thread (Thanks for giving us zero context I guess that remark occurred in a vacuum without the flame baiting so common on these forums. He just sort of went nuts eh?) while reactionary to the extreme was completely without racial context.
Hey, I'm not necessarily saying that ARF is a racist - but what I am saying is that he is the type of person, from the type of area, which was (and according to some sources (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10165125&postcount=16) still is) a very racist area. Having said that many of these pictures are not his (which means that someone else has made them, possibly with racist intentions - they really aren't funny unless you want to make fun of poor black people), there still is the question of why he would post them in the first place.

To use the "Lootin' Time" Example:
There is a poorly animated picture of a man dancing. Funny factor: 0.
or
That ****** is dancing to ****** music. He's lootin' because he's a no good poor-ass ****** boy! Funny factor (for racist people): 10.

Tell me what can possibly be funny if you don't take the racial context into it - and if there isn't, then why would someone make these pictures?

Some sourses? I was actually born and raised in Kentucky and I go south every year on familly vacation. I'm willing to bet your 'sourses has never been further south than South Chicago. Really your sourse is 'some poster in NS general'. That's great! Some moron in Washington says there are WMDs in Iraq. There's sa great sourse for you. If you did'nt recognoze the outfit and dance from 'lootin time' I suggest you look at the washed up pop star MC Hammer and his video for the song 'HammerTime'.
I'm glad this thread is here now. It's a good chance to expose real prejudices that are out there in the world. Like some people who think all Southerners are racist. Or those who think all Canservatives are racist. Or other illogical hatefull assumptions made by ignorant people acting boldly without any information. That sort of blind prejudice is something we should fight against.....

Wanna bet it was made in Eastern Europe? They all are.

My car was made in West Germany........













































In 1980, when the Evil Empire existed.

Hey, I'm not necessarily saying that ARF is a racist - but what I am saying is that he is the type of person, from the type of area, which was (and according to some sources (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10165125&postcount=16) still is) a very racist area. Having said that many of these pictures are not his (which means that someone else has made them, possibly with racist intentions - they really aren't funny unless you want to make fun of poor black people), there still is the question of why he would post them in the first place.

To use the "Lootin' Time" Example:
There is a poorly animated picture of a man dancing. Funny factor: 0.
or
That ****** is dancing to ****** music. He's lootin' because he's a no good poor-ass ****** boy! Funny factor (for racist people): 10.

Tell me what can possibly be funny if you don't take the racial context into it - and if there isn't, then why would someone make these pictures?

I guess the fact I'm NOT white ain't gonna cut my 'racist' factor down any....

I thought those were funny because:

A) The dude has a cranium you could signal Mars with
B) he's looting BEER, out of all things.
C) He's a criminal, defying lawful authority
D) He's a moron.

I love to scoff,mock, and make fun of idiots.

I love to scoff,mock, and make fun of idiots.
Wow so we have something in common then.


Who'd-a thunk it?

I guess the fact I'm NOT white ain't gonna cut my 'racist' factor down any....
Note:
Hey, I'm not necessarily saying that ARF is a racist...
Plus, haven't you watched the Chappelle Show?

I thought those were funny because...
In which case your sense of humour is not at all close to mine. Which should be a crime, but isn't.

Some sourses? I was actually born and raised in Kentucky and I go south every year on familly vacation. I'm willing to bet your 'sourses has never been further south than South Chicago. Really your sourse is 'some poster in NS general'. That's great!
Well, he was there, and that is as good a source on the conditions on the ground as I'm going to get.
Fact of the matter is that Black criminals are still treated a lot more harshly than White criminals, that the majority of Black people live in much worse conditions than White people (this is all on average of course), and that the KKK still exists.

If you did'nt recognoze the outfit and dance from 'lootin time' I suggest you look at the washed up pop star MC Hammer and his video for the song 'HammerTime'.
I know. Note me saying "****** Music" in my hyperbole.

I'm glad this thread is here now. It's a good chance to expose real prejudices that are out there in the world. Like some people who think all Southerners are racist. Or those who think all Canservatives are racist. Or other illogical hatefull assumptions made by ignorant people acting boldly without any information. That sort of blind prejudice is something we should fight against.....
Yeah, let's all knock down strawmen together! It'll be fun!

I find the term "looter" to be highly inflamatory and prejudicial and prefer to use the term "damaged product recycler."






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In 1980, when the Evil Empire existed.


Has the USA been destroyed without anyone telling me?

I never said we should try and be something we are not, and i never said that we had to hide our differences, i just said being proud solely on the fact that you are black doesn't do anything but create more barriers within each other. Share you ethnic food, beliefs, traditions, holidays, and so forth. Celebrate your differences and educate those around you about your culture, but being proud solely on the fact that you are black (which wasn't even determined by you) is, in my opinion, doing more harm then good. It might win you (or any race) more civil rights, better jobs, and so forth, but when it comes down to it, you are still categorizing yourself apart from all humans that aren't black.
I hate ethnic food...

I hate ethnic food...

'Ethnic' is relative.

Has the USA been destroyed without anyone telling me?

I said 1980, not 2680. As long as we have competent people running the country and competent people defending it, we will never fall.

:D

How very typical of your threads. You say something ignorant, people get offended, and then you say "btu I was just kidding, it was a joke"Well it's easy when most of the people with an IQ over double digits take it for what it is

He made fun of a black guy. Which isn't racist, right?

You started a thread and made it a point to offend ALL Christians (I'm atheist, by the way), but it's ok, because you were just kidding, right?I don't think a single Christian actually was offended. Just you. Hmmm.... interesting

Excuse me, my hypocrisy sensors are overloading. Irony, much?

As I said before - it's not an issue of the pictures, it's an issue of the pictures in conjunction with who was presenting them - namely a bigoted, very-Christian (I would say "Fundamentalist", but you know how that goes these days), Southern-US Nationalist with an unhealthy fascination for Americans going to war in foreign places to kill "evildoers", a dislike for everything "un-American" (like the UN, or Europe) and who actually wants to go into law enforcement (or to be more exact, "Homeland Security").

I can understand your sentiments on everything except for the following: "who actually wants to go into law enforcement".

Is that meant to be an indictment of a man who is interested in and supports foreign wars, yet is unwilling to fight in one? Or is it intended as a "I don't support LE folk"-type thing?

I said 1980, not 2680. As long as we have competent people running the country and competent people defending it, we will never fall.

:D

Come, come, my colonial brethern. Ascribing a life span of 900+ years to a nation which has only managed less than 250 is a touch hubristic.

ROMA AETERNA?

Come, come, my colonial brethern. Ascribing a life span of 900+ years to a nation which has only managed less than 250 is a touch hubristic.

ROMA AETERNA?

As I said, as long As America has good people Such as Cap't Brian Chontosh defending it, no person, thing, or organization will conquer us.


Hey, A few nukes wouldn't hurt either.

I'm going to put my 2 cents in.

I am a Southerner (born and raised in North Carolina), I am white (quick everyone call me racist real quick), I am Roman Catholic, and I speak with a Southern accent. I have many friends, and every one of them thought the looter pictures was funny. Hell I thought it was funny. Guess what, I laugh at Dave Chapell too. I laugh at Carlos Mencia. I'm handicapped, and when Carlos Mencia makes fun of Handicapps, I laugh! Why, because I am able to laugh at myself! See, this is what's wrong with our society today. We lost that ability to laugh at ourself. I mean now we're just soo easily offended it's not even funny. I mean people get insulted by Mel Brooks's "Blazing Saddles", they get offended by all of the racist jokes in there, not realizing that in that movie, they make whites look like dumb ingorant redneck idiots! I just think it's so sad that we have our head so far up our asses, that we can't even just sit back on the couch and just take these picture for what they really are, just pictures.

For those of you who don't have your head up your asses, please go rent "Blazing Saddles" it's one of the funniest movie ever.

I'm going to put my 2 cents in.

I am a Southerner (born and raised in North Carolina), I am white (quick everyone call me racist real quick), I am Roman Catholic, and I speak with a Southern accent. I have many friends, and every one of them thought the looter pictures was funny. Hell I thought it was funny. Guess what, I laugh at Dave Chapell too. I laugh at Carlos Mencia. I'm handicapped, and when Carlos Mencia makes fun of Handicapps, I laugh! Why, because I am able to laugh at myself! See, this is what's wrong with our society today. We lost that ability to laugh at ourself. I mean now we're just soo easily offended it's not even funny. I mean people get insulted by Mel Brooks's "Blazing Saddles", they get offended by all of the racist jokes in there, not realizing that in that movie, they make whites look like dumb ingorant redneck idiots! I just think it's so sad that we have our head so far up our asses, that we can't even just sit back on the couch and just take these picture for what they really are, just pictures.

For those of you who don't have your head up your asses, please go rent "Blazing Saddles" it's one of the funniest movie ever.

The part where the indian cheif speaks, he's actually speaking Yiddish for "Have you ever seen anything like this in your life?" :D

I'm no Gentile :D

The part where the indian cheif speaks, he's actually speaking Yiddish for "Have you ever seen anything like this in your life?" :D

I'm no Gentile :D

LOL, I really love it at the beginning, where the cowboys were showing the railroad workers how to sing while working, they were singing "camptown ladies", and they really got into it. Then the leader came and said "Whoa whoa whoa, what in the name is going on here? I leave for a few minutes and I come back to yall dancing like a bunch of Kanans City Fags?!" LOL! See, this movie makes fun of EVERYONE. It makes fun of blacks, white, gays, mexican, asian, men, and women! Mel Brooks make fun of EVERYONE in Blazing Saddles.

Too bad a movie like this wouldn't be made today.

I can understand your sentiments on everything except for the following: "who actually wants to go into law enforcement".

Is that meant to be an indictment of a man who is interested in and supports foreign wars, yet is unwilling to fight in one? Or is it intended as a "I don't support LE folk"-type thing?
Both. I'm not a fan of law enforcement people - I've always believed that it takes a special sort of nutjob to actually want to go and do police work.
But I grew up in an area where the piggies weren't all that appreciated, so maybe that explains that.

Oh what a lovely sugar coated world that would be. Where everyone could come out a production line exactly the same.

Race is not real. It's only skin deep. What I am trying to say is that different skin colours are not what makes the world diverse, so there's no point in being proud of your race.

As I said before - it's not an issue of the pictures, it's an issue of the pictures in conjunction with who was presenting them - namely a bigoted, very-Christian (I would say "Fundamentalist", but you know how that goes these days), Southern-US Nationalist with an unhealthy fascination for Americans going to war in foreign places to kill "evildoers", a dislike for everything "un-American" (like the UN, or Europe) and who actually wants to go into law enforcement (or to be more exact, "Homeland Security").
Good point. I am pretty opposed to ARF's political values and lifestyle, but still I couldn't help but laugh at a few of these pictures, no matter who was presenting them!

PS, you forgot to mention his gun fixation. Ol' ARF really is a walking stereotype.

Stop being intolerant of my beleifs. Tolerance is good, mm'kay?
No, tolerance of evil is not good.

To use the "Lootin' Time" Example:
There is a poorly animated picture of a man dancing. Funny factor: 0.
or
That ****** is dancing to ****** music. He's lootin' because he's a no good poor-ass ****** boy! Funny factor (for racist people): 10.

Tell me what can possibly be funny if you don't take the racial context into it - and if there isn't, then why would someone make these pictures?
You miss the point. It's a parody of the novelty classic "Hammertime" by M.C. Hammer. The poor animation imitates his dance. Which is funny.


Fact of the matter is that Black criminals are still treated a lot more harshly than White criminals, that the majority of Black people live in much worse conditions than White people (this is all on average of course), and that the KKK still exists.
What this has to do with ARF, I don't see.

Which isn't racist, right?

Making fun of a black guy is no more racist than making fun of a white guy. It's only racist if you're making fun of him because he is .

I am a Southerner (born and raised in North Carolina), I am white (quick everyone call me racist real quick), I am Roman Catholic, and I speak with a Southern accent.
Well, being Catholic makes you a stereotype-breaker.

Both. I'm not a fan of law enforcement people - I've always believed that it takes a special sort of nutjob to actually [I]want to go and do police work.
But I grew up in an area where the piggies weren't all that appreciated, so maybe that explains that.
I have a lot of friends who "hate the police". It's one of the most ignorant attitudes ever. They generalise about all police due to the actions of a few, and ignore the good acts in favour of the bad.

You miss the point. It's a parody of the novelty classic "Hammertime" by M.C. Hammer. The poor animation imitates his dance. Which is funny.
Not to me it ain't. But I think we sorted that out - I find different things funny.

What this has to do with ARF, I don't see.
Nothing, I was just addressing a point being made about me stereotyping the Southern US.

I have a lot of friends who "hate the police". It's one of the most ignorant attitudes ever. They generalise about all police due to the actions of a few, and ignore the good acts in favour of the bad.
Let's just say that I've seen both, and that you don't easily escape your own experiences.
Personally, I believe that most people become policemen/women not because they want to help people, but because it helps their ego. Which probably is a moot point if you go into "Homeland Security" (read: Stasi), because you don't get to wear a uniform.

Not to me it ain't. But I think we sorted that out - I find different things funny.
I'm sorry to hear that. Most of us find at least some amount of humour in MC Hammer parodies. It's OK if you don't, but please don't call us racist for it.

Let's just say that I've seen both, and that you don't easily escape your own experiences.
Personally, I believe that most people become policemen/women not because they want to help people, but because it helps their ego.
I've seen both sides as well. I've got both hindrance and invaluable help fromt he police in my life. But to look at it objectively, I think we really are better off with them because for their flaws they provide a protective role in society.

Note:

Plus, haven't you watched the Chappelle Show?


In which case your sense of humour is not at all close to mine. Which should be a crime, but isn't.


Well, he was there, and that is as good a source on the conditions on the ground as I'm going to get.
Fact of the matter is that Black criminals are still treated a lot more harshly than White criminals, that the majority of Black people live in much worse conditions than White people (this is all on average of course), and that the KKK still exists.


I know. Note me saying "****** Music" in my hyperbole.


Yeah, let's all knock down strawmen together! It'll be fun!

Well I guess we passed the minimum number of posts after which you are capable of making an intellegent response. You lasted a little bit longer this time. Maybe eventually you'll be able to admit it when you are wrong. It's not a strawman it's a real ethical dillemma. The thing is I've probably got better qualificattions as a leftist and a radical than you do. I left htem because in rhetoric and action in the end they proved to be (among other things) more racist than the right. And still are.

LOL, I really love it at the beginning, where the cowboys were showing the railroad workers how to sing while working, they were singing "camptown ladies", and they really got into it. Then the leader came and said "Whoa whoa whoa, what in the name is going on here? I leave for a few minutes and I come back to yall dancing like a bunch of Kanans City Fags?!" LOL! See, this movie makes fun of EVERYONE. It makes fun of blacks, white, gays, mexican, asian, men, and women! Mel Brooks make fun of EVERYONE in Blazing Saddles.

Too bad a movie like this wouldn't be made today.

You haven't seen South Park, have you?

Maybe eventually you'll be able to admit it when you are wrong.
Notice how I said that there are differences in opinion regarding the joke in these pictures, and that ultimately I'll have to tolerate it.
I still find it difficult to believe that people could find this funny without the racial aspect somewhere (perhaps only subconsciously), but I guess I can only take your word for it.

It's not a strawman it's a real ethical dillemma.
No, not really. There is no ethical dilemma here - I look at statistics, I look at eye witness accounts and I make my conclusion.
I have not generalised though - I merely pointed out that ARF does fit the character profile of the type of person that would be a racist (that was before I knew that he wasn't white). Now that I know that he probably isn't, the issue is settled.

The thing is I've probably got better qualificattions as a leftist and a radical than you do. I left htem because in rhetoric and action in the end they proved to be (among other things) more racist than the right. And still are.
If you say so.
But I would sincerely doubt your assessment regarding anything that doesn't come from the Oval Office. And even then one would have to take it with a grain of salt.

Notice how I said that there are differences in opinion regarding the joke in these pictures, and that ultimately I'll have to tolerate it.
I still find it difficult to believe that people could find this funny without the racial aspect somewhere (perhaps only subconsciously), but I guess I can only take your word for it.
Well once again your inability is pretty much founded in the fact that you see racists under the bed everytime you go to sleep. Either that or a pathological need to consider cartain groups (christians, southerners, conservatives as YOU stated) de-facto racists. You've made that fairly obvious.

[/QUOTE]No, not really. There is no ethical dilemma here - I look at statistics, I look at eye witness accounts and I make my conclusion.
I have not generalised though - I merely pointed out that ARF does fit the character profile of the type of person that would be a racist (that was before I knew that he wasn't white). Now that I know that he probably isn't, the issue is settled.[/QUOTE]
Right right you were just 'racist profiling' right? It's kinda like the nazi thing. Common enough on forums paint whatever position you are opposed to as 'nazis' because that makes them 'wrong' and you 'right' by default. Or in my eyes a prejudicial biased poerson incapable of giving an honest opinion. What statistics? And the only 'eye witness acount' you've provided is some other poster whom you've never met in real life. The fact that you consider him a valid sourse sort of implies that he is already prone to the same prejudices you've already displayed. Now that in your opinion he probably is'nt then why not appologize for calling him a racist and admit that you were wrong?

[/QUOTE]If you say so.
But I would sincerely doubt your assessment regarding anything that doesn't come from the Oval Office. And even then one would have to take it with a grain of salt.[/QUOTE]
We can compare notes. I'll win. How many peace and justice organisations have YOU founded?

Well once again your inability is pretty much founded in the fact that you see racists under the bed everytime you go to sleep. Either that or a pathological need to consider cartain groups (christians, southerners, conservatives as YOU stated) de-facto racists. You've made that fairly obvious.
Yeah, that must be it.

Right right you were just 'racist profiling' right? It's kinda like the nazi thing. Common enough on forums paint whatever position you are opposed to as 'nazis' because that makes them 'wrong' and you 'right' by default.
Hardly. Others made the objection that there is a racial aspect to the pictures. I said that it's not the pictures, but the possible intention of the person who posted them.
I was proven wrong, and that is that. What's the big deal?

What statistics?
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?scid=45&did=539
Those for example. Black people are more likely to be poor, therefore more likely to get involved and caught in a crime that will get their vote revoked, and they are more likely to be sentenced to death.
Fact of the matter is that there is a bias in the system, and it would be a pretty tall claim to ignore it.

Now that in your opinion he probably is'nt then why not appologize for calling him a racist and admit that you were wrong?
Because I never did explicitly call him a racist, and he never seemed to take actual offense to it.
That's the point. You're attacking me for something I haven't done.
If he wants me to appologise, I'm happy to do it - but not because you ask me to.

We can compare notes. I'll win. How many peace and justice organisations have YOU founded?
Three. But none of them took off, because I wasn't serious about it.
But that's hardly the point. You have something of a record of supporting right-wing issues and condemning "the left" ad nauseum. Which makes you about as much of an authority on them as I am an authority in Southern US culture.

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1) I objected to you painting those you oppose as racists. You even so much as admit it and that you were wrong in your assumption.
2) Your data is a long jump from saying that southerners arre racists. I neevr debated that a) The death penalty is more common in the south. or b) in my country criminal justice is mostly a matter of how much lawyer you can afford.
3)I founded on still in existance in TerreHaute Indiana. Probably still in existance because I did it out of a desire to make something that would work and serve a purpose. Not otu of a desire to be a 'radical' and slouch around campus wearing a Che T-shirt. Esssentially you argue that because I disagree with you I am de-facto uneducated in the things I speak of. Sort of like some bible thumper who says "well he's gotta be wrong because he don't beleive in Jaysus!" (there I made a racist stereotype of white southerners' accents)...

You haven't seen South Park, have you?

Eh yea, but South Park is made by two guys in Denver. I'm talking about Hollywood, and I'm talking about movies.

Race is not real. It's only skin deep. What I am trying to say is that different skin colours are not what makes the world diverse, so there's no point in being proud of your race.


Good point. I am pretty opposed to ARF's political values and lifestyle, but still I couldn't help but laugh at a few of these pictures, no matter who was presenting them!

PS, you forgot to mention his gun fixation. Ol' ARF really is a walking stereotype.


No, tolerance of evil is not good.


I have seen more evil in the past 7 weeks than I've ever seen in my whole life.

Being opposed to wickedness and immorality is NOT evil.

Esssentially you argue that because I disagree with you I am de-facto uneducated in the things I speak of.
Apart from something about the accents of Southern White Americans probably not being racist (that having to do with "race" rather than culture), I would say this:

Every person is biased. We use stereotypes to make sense of the world around us.
Regardless of what the average person in the Southern States thinks (about which I know next to nothing), the system in which people live there does have racial biases. Much of the racist history in the US concentrates on these Southern States, and it would be foolish to argue that racism had been eradicated there.
I used that and the general profile ARF has accumulated so far on these fora to make up my mind, and I decided that there probably was a questionable aspect to the motivation to post these pictures. I may have been wrong, and I have admitted that. Ultimately, it's not possible for anyone but ARF himself to know, and if I believe that he's not White, then chances are that he really just thought the pics were funny by themselves.
As for you - you are just as biased as I am. It's a fact of nature. You make strange claims as to the racism of the left, yet you condemn me for doing the same thing.

I suggest we leave this behind. It's a non-issue you use to attack me personally for reasons that are beyond me.

Well no as an American raised in a Southern state you rather insulted me with your assumptions about southerners. You're from germany right? How about if I decided to call you an facist because so much of Europe's facism was historically from Germany? Further you go on to claim that because I have a tendency to disagree with you I am uneducated or uninformed. That might help explain a bit if I've somewhat, "attacked you personally for reasons that are beyond you."

Well no as an American raised in a Southern state you rather insulted me with your assumptions about southerners.
I said "he fits the profile", and even that can only be seen in conjunction with discussions I've had before and since with ARF.
I would however say that most American racists come from the sort of background I described, for one reason or another.
That does not work vice versa, ie I did not imply that all Southern Christian Conservatives are racists.
Read first, get offended later.

You're from germany right? How about if I decided to call you an facist because so much of Europe's facism was historically from Germany?
You think that never happened to me?
And besides, Fascism was not a German invention, neither in theory nor in practice.
The idea is to argue one's point and hopefully get the other guy to understand that their prejudices are wrong, not to go on a crusade.

Further you go on to claim that because I have a tendency to disagree with you I am uneducated or uninformed.
I would really like to see where you got that from. I meant that you have an obvious anti-left bias, and that therefore you are not a trustworthy source when it comes to creating an accurate profile of a left-winger.

You're getting your panties all tangled up about something you are projecting onto me.

Race is not real. It's only skin deep. What I am trying to say is that different skin colours are not what makes the world diverse, so there's no point in being proud of your race.
Actually pigment is only skin deep. Race is densely layered inside my DNA.

Why can't we just all chill, relax, and laugh at a few jokes? Why can't we laugh at ourselves every once in a while? Why do we have to find every single joke offensive, and try to examine it at every angle? Comon people, get your panties out of a wad already. Sometimes a joke is just a joke!

"If you ain't laughing, you ain't living" ~ Carlos Mencia.

Why can't we just all chill, relax, and laugh at a few jokes? Why can't we laugh at ourselves every once in a while? Why do we have to find every single joke offensive, and try to examine it at every angle? Comon people, get your panties out of a wad already. Sometimes a joke is just a joke!

"If you ain't laughing, you ain't living" ~ Carlos Mencia.


People would do well watching Carlos Mencia. That guy nails it down to a tee sometimes. Truly we are one and skin color is just that...

I said "he fits the profile", and even that can only be seen in conjunction with discussions I've had before and since with ARF.
I would however say that most American racists come from the sort of background I described, for one reason or another.
This is from your extensive experience with American Southerners and racists. Being a German residing in Australia roughly on the other side of the planet from the Southern US?

You think that never happened to me?
And besides, Fascism was not a German invention, neither in theory nor in practice.
The idea is to argue one's point and hopefully get the other guy to understand that their prejudices are wrong, not to go on a crusade.
Ah so it is an ignorant and unfounded assumption to say that most European Facists are from Germany. Something we can agree on. A Pearl of great wisdom there. But it is perfectly rational to assume that most American racists are from the south. Explain that one to me again. Maybe I'm slow but I just don't get it.

I would really like to see where you got that from. I meant that you have an obvious anti-left bias, and that therefore you are not a trustworthy source when it comes to creating an accurate profile of a left-winger.

Well you have an obvious anti-racist bias so you are not a trustworthy sourse when it comes to creating an accurate profile of a racist. Here we don't agree. Your profile of racists is grossly innacurate for entirely different reasons. Like a self-righteos bigot who 'knows how black people really are' you simply rely on a convenient caracature of the thing you hate. One can understand those that they oppose but it is more difficult and challenging work than you have apparently felt the need to perform.
I'd say that having spent half of my life as a leftist (by the way I still consider myself a liberal. A word that has been slandered both by your lot and the Radio conservatives) I'd consider myself fairly accurate in identifying the ellements of that ideology. And if anything I am dedicated in knowing those I oppose so my studies continued after the left left me.