NationStates Jolt Archive


Top Ten Communists of All Time

Neo Kervoskia
26-12-2005, 18:42
Name youe top ten NS General commmunists!
The Elder Malaclypse
26-12-2005, 18:46
Walter Henry 'Wolfie' Smith?
Neo Kervoskia
26-12-2005, 18:47
Walter Henry 'Wolfie' Smith?
I don't know. You can make your own list. ;)
Refused Party Program
26-12-2005, 18:52
My list would have to include Refused Party Program and possibly Free Soviets.
I V Stalin
26-12-2005, 19:05
The top ten, judge them as you will, communists of all time! I have no clue, but do you?
Far too hard. I could put Stalin in there, but someone is bound to argue that his politics were Stalinist, not Communist. So I might suggest Trotsky, but then you could claim he was Trotskyist, not Communist. Same with Mao and Maoist, Lenin and Leninist, etc, etc. ad infinitum/nauseam. If I'm allowed Trotsky and Lenin, then I probably could claim Marx seeing as he falls in between the two, but he was clearly Marxist, and certainly not Communist. If Marx, then perhaps Engels as well, seeing as he wrote the majority of the Communist Manifesto. Castro could also be classed as Communist, although many would prefer to use the term 'socialist'. How about Ho Chi Minh? Was he 'Communist'? I could try to include Kim Il-Sung and Kim Jong-Il, but I'm not entirely sure the latter is actually Communist. Totalitarian, yes, Communist, only possibly.
Vetalia
26-12-2005, 19:11
Top ten in what? Body count?
Neo Kervoskia
26-12-2005, 19:16
Top ten in what? Body count?
Wait, changing it.
Kanabia
26-12-2005, 19:29
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Pure Metal
Preebles/Preebs
Potaria
Ariddia
Glitziness
Free Soviets
Letila
Refused Party Program
DHomme (even if I don't really agree with the guy, he's still cool)
New Burmesia

There are others i'd mention, but i'm not sure if they really regard themselves as communist despite having apparently similar beliefs in many ways. (Jello Biafra, Keruvalia for example)
The Longcat
26-12-2005, 19:34
There are not 10 good Communists. There simply isn't. Too many acclaimed "Communists" are actually power-abusing dictators. Here is my respected list:

1. Karl Marx
2. Vladimir Lenin
3. Mao Zedong
4. Leon Trotsky
5. Freidrich Engels

These are the only people that I believe did good even few good things in the name of Communism. For those who are ignorant, and think Communism is Nazism, here's a Simple Wikipedia entry on what it is.

The goal of Communism is for workers to take control of factories and business and to share things more fairly. People will do their best, without taking advantage of one another. This is an old idea, but it became popular after the French Revolution and other popular movements in Europe in the early 1800s.

FYI: Yes, I am a Communist.
Pure Metal
26-12-2005, 19:34
Pure Metal
Preebles/Preebs
Potaria
Ariddia
Glitziness
Free Soviets
Letila
Refused Party Program
DHomme (even if I don't really agree with the guy, he's still cool)
New Burmesia

lol thats pretty much exactly my list too :p
(replace me for you (obviously!), and Letila for Jello Biafra though) ;)
I V Stalin
26-12-2005, 19:37
There are not 10 good Communists. There simply isn't. Too many acclaimed "Communists" are actually power-abusing dictators. Here is my respected list:

1. Karl Marx
2. Vladimir Lenin
3. Mao Zedong
4. Leon Trotsky
5. Freidrich Engels

These are the only people that I believe did good even few good things in the name of Communism. For those who are ignorant, and think Communism is Nazism, here's a Simple Wikipedia entry on what it is.



FYI: Yes, I am a Communist.

See my earlier post...
Marx = Marxist
Lenin = Leninist or Marxist-Leninist
etc,
etc.
Kanabia
26-12-2005, 19:38
lol thats pretty much exactly my list too :p
(replace me for you (obviously!), and Letila for Jello Biafra though) ;)
:)

I know Jello deserves a mention, but...I'm not sure if he actually claims to be a communist.
Pure Metal
26-12-2005, 19:45
:)

I know Jello deserves a mention, but...I'm not sure if he actually claims to be a communist.
sometimes he certainly doesn't seem to be, but he does help out our cause on here a fair bit lol... and i don't really know Letila that much tbh *shrugs*
Blu-tac
26-12-2005, 19:45
If by communist you mean out of touch with the real world and living off a pipe-dream, which is what I've always taken it as meaning, here's my list:

1. All of them.

Communism just can't work, and if it could why would we bother, it means the hard working live the same life as the lazy. It's just wierd...
Harlesburg
26-12-2005, 19:47
Top ten in what? Body count?
That can be arranged.

Preebles
Kanabia
Potaria
Pure Metal
Free Soviets
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I dont really keep up to date with this whole politics thing so meh.
Neo Kervoskia
26-12-2005, 19:48
If by communist you mean out of touch with the real world and living off a pipe-dream, which is what I've always taken it as meaning, here's my list:

1. All of them.

Communism just can't work, and if it could why would we bother, it means the hard working live the same life as the lazy. It's just wierd...
No, goddamn it, and stop your bitching. I mean favorite NS General communists.
Pure Metal
26-12-2005, 19:48
If by communist you mean out of touch with the real world and living off a pipe-dream, which is what I've always taken it as meaning, here's my list:

1. All of them.

Communism just can't work, and if it could why would we bother, it means the hard working live the same life as the lazy. It's just wierd...
the shift of focus is away from you, your satisfaction, your own self-interest and (in more sensationalist wording) away from "the individual", and toward what is better for all people or "society"

unlike, say, thatcher, who espoused that there was no such thing as 'society' and only the individual :headbang:


edit: really shouldn't feed the troll though :rolleyes:
Neo Kervoskia
26-12-2005, 19:50
the shift of focus is away from you, your satisfaction, your own self-interest and (in more sensationalist wording) away from "the individual", and toward what is better for all people or "society"

unlike, say, thatcher, who espoused that there was no such thing as 'society' and only the individual :headbang:


edit: really shouldn't feed the troll though :rolleyes:
Now, now let's not debate in this thread yet. Save it for page five.

Society is composed of individuals. Megh. End. :p
Kanabia
26-12-2005, 19:50
sometimes he certainly doesn't seem to be, but he does help out our cause on here a fair bit lol... and i don't really know Letila that much tbh *shrugs*

That's true. If there were a "favourite leftist" thread though, he'd be guaranteed a spot in my list :p

I haven't really gotten to know Letila personally either, but I agree with the better part of his political views...back when we used to have our anarchist thread and all...though I didn't post then nearly as much as I do now. :p
Neo Kervoskia
26-12-2005, 19:51
That's true. If there were a "favourite leftist" thread though, he'd be guaranteed a spot in my list :p

I haven't really gotten to know Letila personally either, but I agree with the better part of his political views...back when we used to have our anarchist thread and all :p
I was tempted to make this an anarchist thread, but that would end up in flames, more so than this probably will.:(
Kanabia
26-12-2005, 19:54
I was tempted to make this an anarchist thread, but that would end up in flames, more so than this probably will.:(

I'm not sure if there are 10 regular anarchists on general...it was hard enough coming up with 10 "communists" which in my book includes anarchists as well.

You're probably right about the whole descending-into-flames thing, though.
Pure Metal
26-12-2005, 19:56
Now, now let's not debate in this thread yet. Save it for page five.

Society is composed of individuals. Megh. End. :p
hehehe *holds himself back from ripping blu-tac a new one* :D
Neo Kervoskia
26-12-2005, 20:02
I'm not sure if there are 10 regular anarchists on general...it was hard enough coming up with 10 "communists" which in my book includes anarchists as well.

You're probably right about the whole descending-into-flames thing, though.
Let's see anarchists, (I'll use the lack of state definition)
Kanabia
Letila
Lewrockwellia

That's all I can think of.
AM Tripoli
26-12-2005, 20:13
Zutroy
Communist Louisiana
Anti-Fascist Knights
Comrade General
Zutroy
Marturia
Zutroy
Cavalieriana
Bahevik
Anumia
Zutroy
Zutroy
Comrade Shane
Zutroy

I would have to say that Zutroy is #1 though.
Kanabia
26-12-2005, 20:17
Let's see anarchists, (I'll use the lack of state definition)
Kanabia
Letila
Lewrockwellia

That's all I can think of.

Free Soviets and Preebles...

Potaria maybe...though I don't think Pot has ever labelled himself as such even if he is sympathetic.

(Let's not use the lack of state definition. Lewrockwellia isn't a traditional anarchist. We're an elitist bunch, see...and he doesn't quite match up to our standards :p :D)
Kanabia
26-12-2005, 20:18
-snip-

Heh, some old names I recognise there.
Neo Kervoskia
26-12-2005, 20:18
Zutroy
Communist Louisiana
Anti-Fascist Knights
Comrade General
Comrade Shane
I only know who they are. I should travel around NS more.
Neo Kervoskia
26-12-2005, 20:19
Free Soviets and Preebles...

Potaria maybe...though I don't think Pot has ever labelled himself as such even if he is sympathetic.

(Lewrockwellia isn't a traditional anarchist. We're an elitist bunch, see...and he doesn't quite match up to our standards :p)
I forgot about them. Even with them and assuming Pot is one, it isn't ten. You seem like a vocal bunch.
Pure Metal
26-12-2005, 20:19
Heh, some old names I recognise there.
no names i recognise :(
Kanabia
26-12-2005, 20:30
I forgot about them. Even with them and assuming Pot is one, it isn't ten. You seem like a vocal bunch.

We have to be :p

Ah, I forgot Conceptualists/Anarchic Conceptions, AnarchyeL and Neo-Anarchists. There's probably others too that are less prolific.

no names i recognise :(

Yeah, they were mostly RPers and region defenders. CL posted in general a couple of times.
Cahnt
26-12-2005, 20:33
Only if some creationist names their top ten NS neocons.
Blu-tac
26-12-2005, 20:43
Only if some creationist names their top ten NS neocons.

Ok....

1. Me

ummmm... I can't think of any more...

But I prefer to call myself a part of the Christian right... as seen as I don't support the neocons foriegn policy, I'm not against it, but I'm not for it either.
DHomme
26-12-2005, 21:36
My favourite NS general left-liberals (sorry "communists" as you like to call yourselves :D) would be, in no particular order

Pure Metal
Neo K's former self
Refused Party Program
Kanabia
Potaria
Ariddia
Dobbsworld (another trot, yay!)

and I cant think of anymore.
Cahnt
26-12-2005, 21:38
My favourite NS general left-liberals (sorry "communists" as you like to call yourselves :D) would be, in no particular order

Pure Metal
Neo K's former self
Refused Party Program
Kanabia
Potaria
Ariddia
Dobbsworld (another trot, yay!)

and I cant think of anymore.
You see this is what pisses me off: if you cunts don'ty like being called nazis or neocons, you can refrain from using terms like "communist" on people who are slightly left of centre, okay?
The Soviet Americas
26-12-2005, 21:42
I'd question why I'm not on anybody's list, but then I remember I'm probably on everyone's "douchebag asshattery" list.

Which is better in the long run.
DHomme
26-12-2005, 21:44
You see this is what pisses me off: if you cunts don'ty like being called nazis or neocons, you can refrain from using terms like "communist" on people who are slightly left of centre, okay?

1) Dont you dare call me a ****. It is a highly sexist term and I take offence at you using it.

2) If you had bothered to look down another 2 lines you would notice that I am a communist ( I even said "ANOTHER trot" in my post- gives you a hint, dont it?)

3) The people I mention are reformists. I like to joke and tell them they are liberals.

Dont post anything of that stupidity again, please?
Cahnt
26-12-2005, 21:53
1) Dont you dare call me a ****. It is a highly sexist term and I take offence at you using it.
Shave befoire opening your mouth again.

2) If you had bothered to look down another 2 lines you would notice that I am a communist ( I even said "ANOTHER trot" in my post- gives you a hint, dont it?)
In which case, you're fawning on the sort of poster who thinks that the US media is run by Marxists because they don't have Ann Coulter reading the evening news by posting this sort of shit, and don't deserve to be treated with even a semblance of politesse.

3) The people I mention are reformists. I like to joke and tell them they are liberals.

Dont post anything of that stupidity again, please?
Refrain from indulging this sort of horseshit as if it's a joke rather than an insult in furture and maybe I'll think about it. In the meantime, I feel I've showed admirable restraint.
Maineiacs
26-12-2005, 22:05
Gee, no one named me? I'm not a communist, but I get accused of it often enough. Yet no one named me. I think I'm hurt.:(
The Soviet Americas
26-12-2005, 22:06
Add two more guys to the "douchebag asshattery" list.

Chill out.
Cahnt
26-12-2005, 22:11
Add two more guys to the "douchebag asshattery" list.

Chill out.
No. Fuck off and die.
If calling somebody a **** for accepting the fact that some of the right here think it's good conduct to call anybody who leans even slightly more to the left than chimp boy a communist is considered bad character, then I'm happy to be considered an asshat by fuckwits like yourself.
The Soviet Americas
26-12-2005, 22:13
No. Fuck off and die.
If calling somebody a **** for accepting the fact that some of the right here think it's good conduct to call anybody who leans even slightly more to the left than chimp boy a communist is considered bad character, then I'm happy to be considered an asshat by fuckwits like yourself.
And people wonder why the left is so splintered.

Enjoy the report.

PS: Before you go off ranting that the right is oppressing you, take heart that I am a leftist too. You don't get anywhere going berserk and using the "F" word; you're just as bad as sods like Ann Coulter in doing so.
Cahnt
26-12-2005, 22:20
And people wonder why the left is so splintered.

Enjoy the report.

PS: Before you go off ranting that the right is oppressing you, take heart that I am a leftist too. You don't get anywhere going berserk and using the "F" word; you're just as bad as sods like Ann Coulter in doing so.
Bully for you.
I don't give enough of a toss about what idiots say on the internet to feel I'm being oppressed, but I am more than a tad fed up of listening to twats (and apparently using such terms to describe people who've earned them is bad character) dismissing anyone who is even a hairsbreadth more leftwing than they are as commies.
Fuck that, fuck you and fuck off. I've had it with being expected to accomodate this shit with good humour.
The Soviet Americas
26-12-2005, 22:20
Bully for you.
I don't give enough of a toss about what idiots say on the internet to feel I'm being oppressed, but I am more than a tad fed up of listening to twats (and apparently using such terms to describe people who've earned them is bad character) dismissing anyone who is even a hairsbreadth more leftwing than they are as commies.
Fuck that, fuck you and fuck off. I've had it with being expected to accomodate this shit with good humour.
Please, do cry more, noob.
Cahnt
26-12-2005, 22:22
Please, do cry more, noob.
Shut up, cockbreath.
Refused Party Program
26-12-2005, 22:30
3) The people I mention are reformists. I like to joke and tell them they are liberals.

???

I eat reformists for breakfast. Ironically I've always thought of you as a reformist. :D
Neo Kervoskia
26-12-2005, 22:57
My favourite NS general left-liberals (sorry "communists" as you like to call yourselves :D) would be, in no particular order

Pure Metal
Neo K's former self
Refused Party Program
Kanabia
Potaria
Ariddia
Dobbsworld (another trot, yay!)

and I cant think of anymore.
I feel so honored. You're on my list. We should discuss this one day, perhaps IM or some other worker-friendly communication service.


Also, please everyone, calm down. There's no excuse for having sand in your vagina.
Cahnt
26-12-2005, 23:56
Also, please everyone, calm down. There's no excuse for having sand in your vagina.
Still can't rustle up a mod, then?
Free Soviets
27-12-2005, 00:25
Ah, I forgot Conceptualists/Anarchic Conceptions, AnarchyeL and Neo-Anarchists. There's probably others too that are less prolific.

bwo...
DHomme
27-12-2005, 01:15
???

I eat reformists for breakfast. Ironically I've always thought of you as a reformist. :D
I should have put with a couple of exceptions.

Me? Reformist?

*stares confusedly into the distance*
Free Soviets
27-12-2005, 01:30
I eat reformists for breakfast.

someone obviously isn't concerned about maintaining their girlish figure
Rhursbourg
27-12-2005, 01:31
Walter Henry 'Wolfie' Smith?

POWER TO THE PEOPLE
Kanabia
27-12-2005, 05:49
Huh? I didn't follow that argument. Anyone mind explaining it to me?


3) The people I mention are reformists. I like to joke and tell them they are liberals.

No i'm not ;)

bwo...

Ah, of course. *slaps head* :)
Free Soviets
27-12-2005, 06:29
Ah, of course. *slaps head* :)

it's ok, even bright lights are bound to ocassionally be missed in the dazzling glare of the ns anarchos.


i find that it saves time to just say that the smartest, funniest, and prettiest people on general are all anarchos, and leave out the minor details like remembering all their names.
Kanabia
27-12-2005, 06:32
it's ok, even bright lights are bound to ocassionally be missed in the dazzling glare of the ns anarchos.


i find that it saves time to just say that the smartest, funniest, and prettiest people on general are all anarchos, and leave out the minor details like remembering all their names.

Hahahahaha :D
Dobbsworld
27-12-2005, 06:38
My favourite NS general left-liberals (sorry "communists" as you like to call yourselves ) would be, in no particular order

Pure Metal
Neo K's former self
Refused Party Program
Kanabia
Potaria
Ariddia
Dobbsworld (another trot, yay!)

and I cant think of anymore.
Holy Means of Production, Comrade Batman! Sumbuddy actually included my name on a frickin' list - yow bowsers that's a rare thing, I sorta half-expect to be on people's shitlists, but... hey.

*sniffs*

That's very beautiful of you. Thag you very buch.
Soheran
27-12-2005, 06:43
Me? Reformist?

One does note the bolded, capitalized slogan in your signature.

Perhaps the "r" was overlooked and you were taken for a Bernsteinian.

I actually am a reformist, for those currently kicking open unlocked doors; feel free to insult, deride, etc. as you see fit.
Kanabia
27-12-2005, 06:51
Holy Means of Production, Comrade Batman! Sumbuddy actually included my name on a frickin' list - yow bowsers that's a rare thing, I sorta half-expect to be on people's shitlists, but... hey.

*sniffs*

That's very beautiful of you. Thag you very buch.

I had no idea you were a communist. You would have made my list on the virtue of being a Butthole Surfers fan :p
Dobbsworld
27-12-2005, 06:58
I had no idea you were a communist. You would have made my list on the virtue of being a Butthole Surfers fan :p
*Jingle Of A Dog's Collar was starting up when I read this*
Kanabia
27-12-2005, 07:00
*Jingle Of A Dog's Collar was starting up when I read this*

"What do they know about love, my friend?"

:)
Shazbotdom
27-12-2005, 07:40
Still can't rustle up a mod, then?


Well. All i can say is that i see a lot of Flaming and Flame-Baiting from your end. I don't think that it is called for and i saw nothing from the person you are flaming to warrant your actions. I'm still supprised that a MOD hasn't made an enterance yet...
Refused Party Program
27-12-2005, 16:09
someone obviously isn't concerned about maintaining their girlish figure

Please, reformists are full of empty carbohydrates. A diet of reform had made me bulimic and frigid.
Free Soviets
27-12-2005, 17:02
Please, reformists are full of empty carbohydrates. A diet of reform had made me bulimic and frigid.

you'd be much better off switching over to the low reformist, high rich people diet. you have to eat far fewer of them to feel full, and you can lose lots of extra weight at the same time.
Refused Party Program
27-12-2005, 17:05
you'd be much better off switching over to the low reformist, high rich people diet. you have to eat far fewer of them to feel full, and you can lose lots of extra weight at the same time.

I'm allergic to self esteem.
Free Soviets
27-12-2005, 17:06
I'm allergic to self esteem.

well, you could always try the paris hilton diet.
Refused Party Program
27-12-2005, 17:07
well, you could always try the paris hilton diet.

Hey, even I have standards, girlfriend.
Jello Biafra
27-12-2005, 22:44
In no particular order:

Kanabia
Pure Metal
Glitziness
Ariddia
New Burmesia
Preebles
Dobbsworld

Top anarchists:

Potaria
Free Soviets
Refused Party Program
AnarchyEl
Letila
Dischordiac (R.I.P.)

There are others i'd mention, but i'm not sure if they really regard themselves as communist despite having apparently similar beliefs in many ways. (Jello Biafra, Keruvalia for example)I would probably call myself an anarchist or an anarcho-communist rather than a communist, but that's only because communist to many people implies authoritarianism. But I wouldn't mind being called a communist, either.
Kanabia
28-12-2005, 10:17
I would probably call myself an anarchist or an anarcho-communist rather than a communist, but that's only because communist to many people implies authoritarianism. But I wouldn't mind being called a communist, either.

Aye, likewise. :)
Keruvalia
29-12-2005, 05:37
There are others i'd mention, but i'm not sure if they really regard themselves as communist despite having apparently similar beliefs in many ways. (Jello Biafra, Keruvalia for example)

Oh ... I am most assuredly Communist. Loudly and proudly.
Ekland
29-12-2005, 05:52
Not on NS but... this nymphomaniac chick I knew (Biblically) back in college, a communist yes but forgivable. :fluffle:
The Chinese Republics
29-12-2005, 06:58
Oh ... I am most assuredly Communist. Loudly and proudly.Waving this flag for Keruvalia :D

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a9/Flag_of_the_Soviet_Union.svg/600px-Flag_of_the_Soviet_Union.svg.png
Keruvalia
29-12-2005, 07:01
Waving this flag for Keruvalia :D

<snipped flag>

Hooray!

But be careful ... some around here see that symbol as worse than the swastika.

<.<
>.>

*runs*
The Chinese Republics
29-12-2005, 07:12
Hooray!

But be careful ... some around here see that symbol as worse than the swastika.

<.<
>.>

*runs*Don't forget the flag!!! :D

*runs anyway*
Amecian
29-12-2005, 07:23
Hooray!

But be careful ... some around here see that symbol as worse than the swastika.

<.<
>.>

*runs*

Really?

* Grabs flag and starts slowly-waving *
Kanabia
29-12-2005, 07:25
Waving this flag for Keruvalia :D

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/90/Blkred_flag.png/200px-Blkred_flag.png

:p
Shinano
29-12-2005, 08:50
Not worse then the swastika, but close ;)

Both are great banners to government oppression.
Vladimir Illich
30-12-2005, 01:57
Man, I get no recognition.

And communism is a form of anarchism (not the other way around).

I'm a Trot too!
Jello Biafra
30-12-2005, 02:10
Man, I get no recognition.

And communism is a form of anarchism (not the other way around).

I'm a Trot too!That's because we've never heard of you, not that we don't think you're worthy of recognition.
Vladimir Illich
30-12-2005, 02:16
That's because we've never heard of you, not that we don't think you're worthy of recognition.

:) I already have a warm fuzzy feeling in my belly.