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You know that thing you do when you do things that other people see you doing and then they do those things, or respond by doing things that stop you from doing that thing, and then you do something else to stop them from stopping you, and then things get done but not necessarily the things you started doing?

....

Yours truly,
self-control

I wonder if I can keep this thread near the top of the list even if nobody else joins in....

shouldn't be all that hard, I suppose. AHA!
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You know that thing you do when you do things that other people see you doing and then they do those things, or respond by doing things that stop you from doing that thing, and then you do something else to stop them from stopping you, and then things get done but not necessarily the things you started doing?

....

Yours truly,
self-control
That's human interaction. What position du jour are you adopting now?

That definately does change the system somewhat, and require that multiple people join a thread. Good thinking. Now you can't just have a billion posts happen to one mindless spam thread.

Ingenious idea, actually. Incidentally it's not to protect the forum from spammers as much as to protect the servers from flooding.

Elgesh']That's human interaction. What position du jour are you adopting now?

Are you defining propaganda as "human interaction" ?

I Will Help You Keep This Meaningless Thread Near The Top Of The List, My Friend!

everybody say WOOT WOOT

The threead could be highly philosophical and deeply moving, if there's any of those types around. Otherwise it can also just be prolific. Doesn't matter either way because it's nothing but propaganda.

Personal Definition of Propoganda:
anything used to try to sway ideas/opinions from one to another.

(Yes that even includes using Facts.)

I suppose that applies to ALL forum threads, not just this one.

I'll Give You A WOOT WOOT!

Personal Definition of Propoganda:
anything used to try to sway ideas/opinions from one to another.

(Yes that even includes using Facts.)

Does it have to be swaying opinion? Can't it just modify behavior and leave opinions intact?

IMO, propoganda would be anything designed to cause people to adopt a particular point of view based on an emotional appeal rather than a logical appeal. The more logic is ignored and dismissed, the more propoganda-like it becomes.

Does it have to be swaying opinion? Can't it just modify behavior and leave opinions intact?
it could.
but again, this is only my personal definition.
so Persuade me. :D

Edit: Everything is propaganda. What the individual needs to do is look at the issues, from all sides. that's the best way to make an informed dicision... in my opinion anyway.

Propaganda is the use of misleading information to change one's opinion.

The best I could define it as is dishonest and unethical methods of psychological manipulation.

In the broadest sense, propaganda is anything that is said or done to sway the opinion of a person or persons. This means just about anything that you say can be considered propaganda.
In the traditional meaning, it is information given out by a government or political organization to sway the opinion of the populace to follow it's wants or needs.
WOOT!!!! WOOOT!!!!

You're saying that Socratic dialogue is, at it's functional base, the defining formulaic difference between propaganda and some other mystical form of communication, right? Hmm... is there any information that isn't propaganda in your personal definition?

Ok, how's this for defining propoganda: it's sharing a piece of cake with someone by telling them you are going to be fair, cutting off a sliver, hiding the rest of the cake, handing them the sliver of cake and expecting them to be grateful for it.

IMO, propoganda would be anything designed to cause people to adopt a particular point of view based on an emotional appeal rather than a logical appeal. The more logic is ignored and dismissed, the more propoganda-like it becomes.

Actually you seem to be referring to an ad populum logical fallacy there. It probably wouldn't need its own term if it had the same meaning, don't you think?

Propaganda is <u>writing</u> issued by the state or other political organisations that aims to persuade the reader to a particular political persuasion.

Propaganda is written. Agitation is spoken.

Propaganda: Appealing to sentiment rather than reason.

Propaganda is <u>writing</u> issued by the state or other political organisations that aims to persuade the reader to a particular political persuasion.

Propaganda is written. Agitation is spoken.

The 95B (ninety-five-bravo) MOS (military occupational specialty) for the U.S.Army (United States Army, as commissioned under the Uniform Code of Military Justice ratified in 1775 by the first congressional session under the Declaration of Independance, which wasn't ratified until 1776) defines propaganda as:

"Leaflets, pamphlets, broadcasts, and posts produced for the intent of swaying the public opinion in a strategically favorable way within the host nation."

Now... all speculation aside, why do I even know that?

Yours truly,
self-control

in case my clarifying rhetoric seemed too convoluted, I said that the Constitution of the United States is... just military propaganda.

Yours truly,
self-control

Propaganda is written.
Not necessarily, by the strictest definition of writing. Think about all of the posters the US used during WWII -- mostly (sometimes totally) pictures, but definitely propaganda.

Personally, I think propaganda is attempting to sway someone's opinion to your side by using emotional appeals (often patriotism), and usually either "stretching the truth" or utilizing random statistics to make things seem more important.
Oh-- WOOT WOOT! :D

On the other hand, dictionary.com defines propaganda as:
1. The systematic propagation of a doctrine or cause or of information reflecting the views and interests of those advocating such a doctrine or cause.
2. Material disseminated by the advocates or opponents of a doctrine or cause: wartime propaganda.
3. Propaganda Roman Catholic Church. A division of the Roman Curia that has authority in the matter of preaching the gospel, of establishing the Church in non-Christian countries, and of administering Church missions in territories where there is no properly organized hierarchy.

I didn't know the last one, and I was raised Catholic (no longer!) Frightening, no?
So apparently it doesn't have to be an emotional appeal. Hmm. Interesting.

I'm stunned that no one has said it by now:

http://www.foxnews.com/

:p

"People have to talk about something just to keep their voice boxes in working order so they'll have good voice boxes in case there's ever anything really meaningful to say."
Kurt Vonnegut

in case my clarifying rhetoric seemed too convoluted, I said that the Constitution of the United States is... just military propaganda.

Yours truly,
self-control
^ Good example of propaganda!

^ Good example of propaganda!

This from someone who lives a few blocks down the street from (URL deleted)
the porn industry.

This from someone who lives a few blocks down the street from (URL deleted)
the porn industry.
Pasco County has a porn industry? That would be awesome, if it were true.
Even if it were, wtf does that mean?