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How come there's no option for Americans who don't really give a damn?

Oh, and I suppose calling American football "REAL" football when it actually stole the name from the original sport isn't ignorant on the thread poster's part? I think it goes both ways on that one.

*sigh* :mad:

For what must be the fiftieth time, REAL football IS "American" football. We don't give a damn where the name comes from. I call it football, so to me, it is football. If you want to bitch about something covered again and again, I must tell you...READ THE DAMN THREAD BEFORE POSTING YOUR BULLSHIT.

This thread was started as a counter thread to a soccer one (weeks ago), which had a lot of typical (american)football bashing in it. I put your soccer/rugby options in the poll so you could vote in the poll and leave, but fully 50% of the people in here insist on posting "but our game is better" spam. So for the last time, this is a football thread. What I call football. Not soccer. Or rugby. Or whatever the hell Australian-rules football is. (I thought it was rugby but am aparently wrong) So either talk about football, or get the FUCK out.

-snipped the asinine piglet talk-

OOC: Oh, but apparently you can't read either, since I never actually bashed American football. I just said you stole the name. That's it, that's all. I thank you for putting words in my mouth. :)

Why do you even need to start a counter-Eurofootball thread? Are you that desperate?

Aparently you know how to flamebait well. First you call/imply that I am ignorant, when I am trying to be emphatic:

Oh, and I suppose calling American football "REAL" football when it actually stole the name from the original sport isn't ignorant on the thread poster's part?

Then you say I can't read, when I was refering to not just you, but the numerous rugby posts above as well:

OOC: Oh, but apparently you can't read either, since I never actually bashed American football.

And finally, you call/imply that I am desperate, when I was being POLITE and starting my own thread, rather than acting like a 12 year old and screwing with someone else's:
Why do you even need to start a counter thread? Are you that desperate?

So :upyours:


Since you are attempting (and unfortunately succeeding) in pissing me off.

I put your soccer/rugby options in the poll
Umm. No you didn't. Your poll was stupid.
I'm from New Zealand and like rugby.. Which option should I choose?

American Football rules and so do the Oakland Raiders (in my mind at least).

I prefer Blernsball.

I prefer Blernsball.
That is more in the lines of baseball however.

That is more in the lines of baseball however.

Or is it...

B-b-but thats what my sources told me!
*Looks around*
Hunkers in a little ball murmuring "Cant trust anyone accept Neo-K"

Umm. No you didn't. Your poll was stupid.
I'm from New Zealand and like rugby.. Which option should I choose?

Your nation falls under the Australian Circle of Influence. Vote or don't, but get used to it.

-snippage-

Oh, come on - you should know what I meant. You appear desperate to prove that your sport is "better" when nobody was really stating that American football was any less of a sport than football. If they were, perhaps you should have just ignored them and carried on your merry way. Wouldn't that have been better?

I do realise you're very short tempered, though. And your arguments aren't exactly prime cut, cos I can't hear you over your own "emphatic" textscreaming. Since you told me I couldn't read and, then, got mad when I told you you missed what I said. And if you meant it generally, why didn't you clarify?

For what must be the fiftieth time, REAL football IS "American" football. We don't give a damn where the name comes from. I call it football, so to me, it is football.

^^ Your comment there is the reason people are mad at you. They care, obviously. Don't disrespect them for it.

B-b-but thats what my sources told me!
*Looks around*
Hunkers in a little ball murmuring "Cant trust anyone accept Neo-K"
Remember Neo-K knows all. Even your mother.

Well then (takes out hw assignment he hasnt looked at for the past few hours) *ahem*
If you were analyzing DNA prepared from Bob and Mary's white blood cells, why couldnt you simply look at the stained gel pattern and skip the hybridization step?

Huh Huh?

Well then (takes out hw assignment he hasnt looked at for the past few hours) *ahem*
If you were analyzing DNA prepared from Bob and Mary's white blood cells, why couldnt you simply look at the stained gel pattern and skip the hybridization step?

Huh Huh?

No. Bacause Neo-K says so.

If my asian friend doesnt give me the answers soon, I will seriously put that.

Remember Neo-K knows all. Even your mother.

That is so wrong.

If my asian friend doesnt give me the answers soon, I will seriously put that.

You had better scan that if you really do.

Ok my asian friend has abondoned me time to put
"No, because Neo-K syas so" on all the answers I didnt get!
I would scan it but I dont have a photobucket account or anything of that sort.

Your nation falls under the Australian Circle of Influence. Vote or don't, but get used to it.
Get used to the fact people are stupid? K. Thanks for that.

Ok my asian friend has abondoned me time to put
"No, because Neo-K syas so" on all the answers I didnt get!
I would scan it but I dont have a photobucket account or anything of that sort.

Imageshack (http://www.imageshack.us) should suit you.

Here it is-written in pen (if you can read it!)
Last 3 questions
http://img31.imageshack.us/my.php?image=neok2yf.jpg

score!

I probably can use that as an answer to all the questions I wont know on the quiz coming up:D

I probably can use that as an answer to all the questions I wont know on the quiz coming up:D

You do that. I wonder how your teacher will react?

She is fully aware of the fact I dont care about her class. I have given quite interesting respones to questions in that class before on tests. I should really drop the honors, that way I can sleep in it just like any other class.

She is fully aware of the fact I dont care about her class. I have given quite interesting respones to questions in that class before on tests. I should really drop the honors, that way I can sleep in it just like any other class.

What are these "responses"?

Once I wrote :
You said we couldnt copy from our neighbor, and since my neighbor understands this and I dont, instead of copying his answer and risking a 0, just grade this response the same as you graded his. Saves me the time of copying, and you the time of wondering if it is copied.

That was for a short answer response. I have MANY others as well but instead I will go to bed anc cathd my 6 precious hours of sleep. I have hw to do on the bus in the morning.

Once I wrote :
You said we couldnt copy from our neighbor, and since my neighbor understands this and I dont, instead of copying his answer and risking a 0, just grade this response the same as you graded his. Saves me the time of copying, and you the time of wondering if it is copied.

That was for a short answer response. I have MANY others as well but instead I will go to bed anc cathd my 6 precious hours of sleep. I have hw to do on the bus in the morning.

O_o.

Sweet Dreams, Patrick.

Once I wrote :
You said we couldnt copy from our neighbor, and since my neighbor understands this and I dont, instead of copying his answer and risking a 0, just grade this response the same as you graded his. Saves me the time of copying, and you the time of wondering if it is copied.

That was for a short answer response. I have MANY others as well but instead I will go to bed anc cathd my 6 precious hours of sleep. I have hw to do on the bus in the morning.

Once for an essay on the development of religion and science through the renaissance I drew a picture of Galileo giving the Pope a wedgie.

On AIM, TSI was talking about how he fitted in a reference to Russel Crowe in an exam essay about Hobbes.

I had a chance to look at it. Very clever.

RRRRR!!!!!

Why only East Coast teams to choose from? Gimmie a break! :rolleyes:

That said, GO NINERS! :p Been a fan for a long time, through thick and thin. A lot of teams can say they've fallen on hard times, but SF man, they fell HARD!

Also gotta jump on the Seahawk bandwagon simply because some jerk columist in D.C. said Seattle was a failure of a football team. Mm-hm, yeah.

Peace!

sorry, but you've lost me

pick up games?:rolleyes:

as for the hurry-up, only on Madden, and on that you can call either the last play you did, or about 3 other ones, eg, just more pre-set plays.


More than a NFL pass play?


That depends, there is a system called the pod system in rugby, in which you plan multiple phases ahead, not necessarily in what you do, but the team is divided into units and each unit knows where it has to do. The team I play for used to try it, but it's so difficult to do even though it's often effective and it's also a bit stifling creatively, but it runs over multiple stages.

An example would be

from a scrum, 12 takes crash ball, 13 and 7 ruck over fast (13, 7, and 12 are pod 1)

and the SH spins it wide the same way again to the 10, meanwhile 6,8 and 5 (pod 2) have looped round and the fly-half can choose between using them on crash ball, or using the full back and the winger.

A tackle goes in and pod 2 wipes out, 9 then spins it back across the field, through 10, 4 (basically there as a back up option to secure ball if something goes wrong in the middle,)( 9, and 10, are pod 3)

through pod 1 who've since resumed positions in the middle of the field, and finally pod 4 (the front row) who from the original scrum headed to the right side of the field and them and the winger more or less always end up with an overlap for the winger to score.

At least 3-4 phases of play.

When it works it's devastating, but there's a lot of room for error, and we've since given up on it, since it doesn't really play to our strengths (well, another style plays to them better).
I'm aware of the pod system, however we found that it was far to easly countered and lost a lot of turnover-a team would put 3 or 4 forwards and a couple of backs in and outmucle the 'pod'.

A pickup game is where you pick up the ball and just play in the park or somewhere.

A pickup game is where you pick up the ball and just play in the park or somewhere.
Which is quite hard to do with rugby or American football, I'd imagine. I think you'd need at least 4 players on each side-more.

Not at all, for a team game you need as little as two players per side. If you only have two people, you can play a simple kick return game.

Not at all, for a team game you need as little as two players per side. If you only have two people, you can play a simple kick return game.
You can do that with reugby, just pass it about, a few grubbers, high kicks, punts and so on. But it is a bit boaring. A you can't play a roper game can you? Once you both get tackled your knackered.

and for all you non-americans, futbol/soccer SUCKS! I don't know why you like the sport at all. It is ten times more boring than baseball or golf. However, both those sports have a lot of fans, so I can understand you supporting the talent level of players or their stamina or whatever, but why do you have riots where people are trampled at games? Do they give out free coke at games or something?

Watch the FA cup, then you will see the best soccer has to offer. Soccer is so much better than that crappy NFL or what ever its called.

Theres more skill involved than chucking a ball. Ive watched both sports for a while and i find soccer to be better.

You can do that with reugby, just pass it about, a few grubbers, high kicks, punts and so on. But it is a bit boaring. A you can't play a roper game can you? Once you both get tackled your knackered.

It's football, so long as you have two players to a team it can be great fun. As for getting tired, I've played non-stop for an entire afternoon and both teams got to a really high score just playing two-point touchdowns.

americans are always saying about the football riots as if it happens every match. the last proper football riot was years ago, and cmpared to the amount of matches we have it equals out to around 1 riot to every 5000 odd matches. also isnt it obvious which sport is better? one point is that practically the entire world play football/ soccer. we have a massive world cup which even america takes part in. if we had an american football world cup only you and australia would take part, and even there version is different to yours. anyway, look on the poll, which seems to be most popular to you? ;)

*cough* As of this moment, American Football is beating out soccer 107-67.

americans are always saying about the football riots as if it happens every match. the last proper football riot was years ago, and cmpared to the amount of matches we have it equals out to around 1 riot to every 5000 odd matches. also isnt it obvious which sport is better? one point is that practically the entire world play football/ soccer. we have a massive world cup which even america takes part in. if we had an american football world cup only you and australia would take part, and even there version is different to yours. anyway, look on the poll, which seems to be most popular to you? ;)

I'm not positive but I think you're an ethnocentric fuktard and I say this because it's probably the only thing you'll pay attention to.

ad hominem ftw!

Strange that a nation which prides itself on it virile masculinity should have to wear 100lb of armour to play rugby.

*cough* As of this moment, American Football is beating out soccer 107-67.

ok, so i cant do maths? im only 13.Anyway the rest of the arguments convincing ennit?

Tell you what, let's arrange a meet and I'll show you how much it hurts to be run over by a 200+ pound person. No? Shut up, then.

ok, so i cant do maths? im only 13.Anyway the rest of the arguments convincing ennit?

Err, no. You obviously don't realize how widespread American-style football is, especially at the college level, or you wouldn't have opened your mouth. Bet you didn't know Great Britain had its own semi-pro football league, did you?

Err, no. You obviously don't realize how widespread American-style football is, especially at the college level, or you wouldn't have opened your mouth. Bet you didn't know Great Britain had its own semi-pro football league, did you?

er yeah, because thats such a popular league in britain lol

anyway what about the world cup?

er yeah, because thats such a popular league in britain lol

anyway what about the world cup?

I'm with you mate, although, as a Man United fan, I have to say two words;

Djemba Djemba

:D :D :D :D

er yeah, because thats such a popular league in britain lol

anyway what about the world cup?

It's the fact that it exists. There's also the fact that the NFL is expected to expand to Mexico City, Tokyo, Shanghai, and London by 2015. Canada would be in the picture were it not for its own CFL.

It's the fact that it exists. There's also the fact that the NFL is expected to expand to Mexico City, Tokyo, Shanghai, and London by 2015. Canada would be in the picture were it not for its own CFL.

Where would it be held in London; Ashburton Grove, Stamford Bridge, White Hart Lane, Upton Park, I sincerely doubt it. Clapham common, in all likelihood more appropriate.

I love all philadelphia sports teams no matter how much they disappoint me, except for the eagles, but I still watch their games hoping they might actually do something with themselves someday.

It's kinda sad.

Where would it be held in London; Ashburton Grove, Stamford Bridge, White Hart Lane, Upton Park, I sincerely doubt it. Clapham common, in all likelihood more appropriate.

Actually, they're talking about a new 80,000 seat stadium in the center of London.

Actually, they're talking about a new 80,000 seat stadium in the center of London.

Try filling that consumate waste of space.:)

I love all philadelphia sports teams no matter how much they disappoint me, except for the eagles, but I still watch their games hoping they might actually do something with themselves someday.

It's kinda sad.

You must be happy with the Flyers at least.

SEATTLE SEAHAWKS, baby!

I know they'll likely disappoint me (a fan since Jim Zorn, Jack Patera, Kenny Easley, Jacob Green, Jeff Bryant, Joe Nash and Sherman Smith), but I am a Seattle sports fan -- disappointment is my birthright. I'm enjoying the ride as far as it goes.

You must be happy with the Flyers at least.


Definitely. But it's never the regualr season i worry about. it's the philly playoff history. It was a glorious past until the '93 world series then it was like a curse that philly teams must choke in the playoffs.

Try filling that consumate waste of space.:)

The center of London or the stadium? If it's the latter, it'd be quite easy, actually. Small NFL stadiums are generally in the 50,000 seats range and you can get pretty damn high for some of the bigger stadiums. Britain is smaller than some US states, if there are 80,000 football fans in Britain then they'll come to every home game. Especially if they're good after a few seasons. Don't tell me people in GB wouldn't watch the Super Bowl if their country's only NFL team was represented there.

I AM NOT AN AUSTRALIAN AND I LIKE RUGBY!http://70.85.81.229/3630/189/emo/blat.gif

Newcastle United
Wellington Lions
Toss up between indianapolis Dallas and Miam for favourite Pass/ad/Run/ad/ad/ad/Pass/ad/ad/Kickball.

The center of London or the stadium? If it's the latter, it'd be quite easy, actually. Small NFL stadiums are generally in the 50,000 seats range and you can get pretty damn high for some of the bigger stadiums. Britain is smaller than some US states, if there are 80,000 football fans in Britain then they'll come to every home game. Especially if they're good after a few seasons. Don't tell me people in GB wouldn't watch the Super Bowl if their country's only NFL team was represented there.

No, do try to understand that frankly, the nation does not care. I asure you that the only sports team who would regularly fill an 80,000 seater stadium would, and in 2009, will, be Manchester United Football Club. In comparison to 90 minutes of football at Ashburton Grove, no London sports fans who happen to be entirely objective will attend.

Definitely. But it's never the regualr season i worry about. it's the philly playoff history. It was a glorious past until the '93 world series then it was like a curse that philly teams must choke in the playoffs.

Well, I'm usually angry as hell at the Flyers for bumping off my Leafs. But this year, I think it may come down to your boys and the Sens...in which case you have every Leaf fan in your corner.

No, do try to understand that frankly, the nation does not care. I asure you that the only sports team who would regularly fill an 80,000 seater stadium would, and in 2009, will, be Manchester United Football Club. In comparison to 90 minutes of football at Ashburton Grove, no London sports fans who happen to be entirely objective will attend.

Keep believing that. You underestimate the power of the NFL marketing division.

Keep believing that. You underestimate the power of the NFL marketing division.

You underestimate the loyalty instilled by nigh on 150 years of football, the general intellect of the British public, and the cynicism and nationalism of the tabloid papers, notably the Sun, who will oppose any NFL insertion fully.

..in which case you have every Leaf fan in your corner.

that may be a first. :D

that may be a first. :D

Trust me. Our loyalty lies directly opposite of that which we hate most. I'm probably going to have a bad weekend with the Leafs playing the Sens twice in a row.

No, do try to understand that frankly, the nation does not care. I asure you that the only sports team who would regularly fill an 80,000 seater stadium would, and in 2009, will, be Manchester United Football Club. In comparison to 90 minutes of football at Ashburton Grove, no London sports fans who happen to be entirely objective will attend.
Nah, Barcelona do it for a start, I don't know if Real Madrid fill it every game, but I know Barce average 80,000 plus.


The center of London or the stadium? If it's the latter, it'd be quite easy, actually. Small NFL stadiums are generally in the 50,000 seats range and you can get pretty damn high for some of the bigger stadiums. Britain is smaller than some US states, if there are 80,000 football fans in Britain then they'll come to every home game. Especially if they're good after a few seasons. Don't tell me people in GB wouldn't watch the Super Bowl if their country's only NFL team was represented there.
Opens the question as to which thing it'd be in, plus the travel problems. And there's generally so much sports stuff going on in London, I don't think 80,000 fans would travel to anything like every game, especially since the only way they'd be any good would be to play a team of imported Americans, making it harder for home fans to relate to the players.

It may be widespread in the US, but it's disadvantage starts in the name ("American Football" sad perhaps but true) and continues through it's relative similarity to rugby, and the old prejudices and theories about it. Soccer is invading the US via the expanding hispanic population, and I expect to see America converted before America converts the world (don't think either will actually happen).

The main thing I see really going for it is money from advertising because of the much higher rate of breaks in it, and I think that'd be a sad way for a sport to spread, because of channels with adverts liking the money it gives them.

You underestimate the loyalty instilled by nigh on 150 years of football, the general intellect of the British public, and the cynicism and nationalism of the tabloid papers, notably the Sun, who will oppose any NFL insertion fully.

You must be joking?! You think the opposition of a tabloid is going to matter to an organization that sees tens of billions of dollars worth of revenue ever year? Especially when they have already secured the City of London's support for the project? They'd laugh!

Nah, Barcelona do it for a start, I don't know if Real Madrid fill it every game, but I know Barce average 80,000 plus.

I was referring to the English leagues alone. Further to Barca and Madrid, Valencia regularly have gates of 80,000, and the San Siro averages above that too.

Opens the question as to which thing it'd be in, plus the travel problems. And there's generally so much sports stuff going on in London, I don't think 80,000 fans would travel to anything like every game, especially since the only way they'd be any good would be to play a team of imported Americans, making it harder for home fans to relate to the players.

It may be widespread in the US, but it's disadvantage starts in the name ("American Football" sad perhaps but true) and continues through it's relative similarity to rugby, and the old prejudices and theories about it. Soccer is invading the US via the expanding hispanic population, and I expect to see America converted before America converts the world (don't think either will actually happen).

The main thing I see really going for it is money from advertising because of the much higher rate of breaks in it, and I think that'd be a sad way for a sport to spread, because of channels with adverts liking the money it gives them.

Finacially, I daresay it would accrue considerable support, however I simply fail to see a fan base for it utilise, since no Rugby fan would countenance attending, nor any football fan, unless a reasonably eminent star migrated to the sport, notably Heskey or Wilknson.

You must be joking?! You think the opposition of a tabloid is going to matter to an organization that sees tens of billions of dollars worth of revenue ever year? Especially when they have already secured the City of London's support for the project? They'd laugh!

In comparison to the NFL, one must despairingly confess that they would fail however they are more influential amongst what little fan base any NFL side would procure than Americanised advertising. The archaic, and entirely justified prejuduces as to American Football being merely an alternate form of Rugby have been re-inforced by virtue of current isolationsit sentiment, and the potential migration of Wilkinson to NFL.

Actually, the last game played in London ('86) had 80,000+ fans attend the game at Wembly. It's expect that next year another regular season game will again be played at Wembly, this time with the stadium filled to capacity. Sky News is already jockying for broadcast rights and the mayor of London travelled to New York personally to pitch the city for the 2006-2007 international regular season game, which has made it the leading contender.

Further, I know the guy who owns Man U also owns the Tampa Bay Bucaneers and the New England Patriots owner is currently scouting out venues in Liverpool. Keep in mind that every NFL owner is a billionaire in their own right and a lot of them have hard connections to GB's financial centers. They know how your business community works and how to sell the game. It doesn't hurt that a lot of influential people and companies (especially Sky and Wembly) are manuevering hard to get a piece of the pie. Wembly especially would no doubt love a Super Bowl in London because American football fans are just as diehard as any soccer fan and they will pay the big bucks to see a game anywhere. The sponsorship deals with American corporations are worth billions of dollars alone.

Btw, the commercials here in America are to support the cable companies, not the teams. The teams only get a small portion, really a pitance compared to their other sources of revenue.

Actually, the last game played in London ('86) had 80,000+ fans attend the game at Wembly. It's expect that next year another regular season game will again be played at Wembly, this time with the stadium filled to capacity. Sky News is already jockying for broadcast rights and the mayor of London travelled to New York personally to pitch the city for the 2006-2007 international regular season game, which has made it the leading contender.

Further, I know the guy who owns Man U also owns the Tampa Bay Bucaneers and the New England Patriots owner is currently scouting out venues in Liverpool. Keep in mind that every NFL owner is a billionaire in their own right and a lot of them have hard connections to GB's financial centers. They know how your business community works and how to sell the game. It doesn't hurt that a lot of influential people and companies (especially Sky and Wembly) are manuevering hard to get a piece of the pie. Wembly especially would no doubt love a Super Bowl in London because American football fans are just as diehard as any soccer fan and they will pay the big bucks to see a game anywhere. The sponsorship deals with American corporations are worth billions of dollars alone.

Btw, the commercials here in America are to support the cable companies, not the teams. The teams only get a small portion, really a pitance compared to their other sources of revenue.

Finacially, I have already confessed no doubt it would be a success, however, I enquire once more, where on earth do you propose to find 80,000 sufficiently enamoured Britains to expend such money when Rugby, a damn sight more exciting, is cheaper, and more quintissentially British.

Furthermore, do not raise the issue of Malcolm "Fucking Club Ruiner" Glazer, he deserves all the abuse he hes recieved, and believe me, ultimately, we the fans of the biggest club in the world, will drive him out, as would Scouse fc. Were Glazer to sell the Buccaneers, and procure for us a consderable sponsorsip deal, all will be hunky dory.

Actually, the last game played in London ('86) had 80,000+ fans attend the game at Wembly. It's expect that next year another regular season game will again be played at Wembly, this time with the stadium filled to capacity. Sky News is already jockying for broadcast rights and the mayor of London travelled to New York personally to pitch the city for the 2006-2007 international regular season game, which has made it the leading contender.
Again, the difference between a one-off game every few years, and a regular fixture list, week in, week out, season in, season, out.


Further, I know the guy who owns Man U also owns the Tampa Bay Bucaneers and the New England Patriots owner is currently scouting out venues in Liverpool. Keep in mind that every NFL owner is a billionaire in their own right and a lot of them have hard connections to GB's financial centers. They know how your business community works and how to sell the game. It doesn't hurt that a lot of influential people and companies (especially Sky and Wembly) are manuevering hard to get a piece of the pie. Wembly especially would no doubt love a Super Bowl in London because American football fans are just as diehard as any soccer fan and they will pay the big bucks to see a game anywhere. The sponsorship deals with American corporations are worth billions of dollars alone.I don't see a Superbowl in London anytime soon, if ever; just too many cities in America, and the insularity of America I think will prevent it. As I said before, the only way I can see American Football taking over is via the money, but look at it the other way.

The current owner of Man Utd, and possible future owners of Liverpool, and other clubs could be American, with a lot of hard connections to US financial centres, and knowing how your business community works and how to sell the game. There's already a professional league there, and the Pats owner owns one of their teams.

It was the stated aim of Glazier (Man Utd and Tampa Bay owner) to make the Man Utd brand even bigger around the world, and particularly in America, and others are trying to follow as fast as possible. Add to that the expanding hispanic population and immigrants from mexico, both of whom have a long history of supporting soccer, and America might find itself a soccer country.


Oh, and to the guy who mentioned the pod system, you have to work it with very fast forwards, you have to be tackled, wipe and get the ball away before they can commit more than the nearest player or two to it. As with most strategies, when done right, they're devastating.

Again, the difference between a one-off game every few years, and a regular fixture list, week in, week out, season in, season, out.

True, however most teams don't play the same place week in and week out. At most teams get regular home games a season and only teams with exceptional records get home team advantage during the playoffs.

I don't see a Superbowl in London anytime soon, if ever; just too many cities in America, and the insularity of America I think will prevent it. As I said before, the only way I can see American Football taking over is via the money, but look at it the other way.

Making generalizations and pandering to narrow prejudices, are we? As a matter of fact, most NFL cities simply don't make good Superbowl venues; London would make an excellent one because like NYC and Miami it has a lot of stuff to do on top of the Superbowl. Half of the NFL is finance, and more often than not the most important part.

The current owner of Man Utd, and possible future owners of Liverpool, and other clubs could be American, with a lot of hard connections to US financial centres, and knowing how your business community works and how to sell the game. There's already a professional league there, and the Pats owner owns one of their teams.

No, I'm talking about the Pats owner starting a NFL team in Liverpool. I'm aware he owns a soccer team in GB, but the NFL is lot different from soccer or rugby, even if the games are cousins. Just ask any sports writer in GB. In fact, here: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,10369-1675338,00.html

It was the stated aim of Glazier (Man Utd and Tampa Bay owner) to make the Man Utd brand even bigger around the world, and particularly in America, and others are trying to follow as fast as possible. Add to that the expanding hispanic population and immigrants from mexico, both of whom have a long history of supporting soccer, and America might find itself a soccer country.

Doubt it, the NFL's just as popular. Every university down there has a college football team on top of the soccer team, and a large portion of revenue from jersey sales and the like for the Oakland Raiders and SF 49ers comes from Mexico.

As for Glazier, that's what every sports team owner in America does. It's how they do business, because the more sales you can get at home and worldwide, especially in a sport with no salary cap, the better off the team is. Most Americans who are even peripherally aware of soccer know about Man U, but nobody sells stuff here. It's part of the reason why soccer is so unpopular.

Finacially, I have already confessed no doubt it would be a success, however, I enquire once more, where on earth do you propose to find 80,000 sufficiently enamoured Britains to expend such money when Rugby, a damn sight more exciting, is cheaper, and more quintissentially British.

NFL demographics teams have already established it. Otherwise they wouldn't be looking seriously at a London team. The NFL is all about the money, if there isn't sufficient interest they either work the area to build it or they just don't pay attention to it.

Furthermore, do not raise the issue of Malcolm "Fucking Club Ruiner" Glazer, he deserves all the abuse he hes recieved, and believe me, ultimately, we the fans of the biggest club in the world, will drive him out, as would Scouse fc. Were Glazer to sell the Buccaneers, and procure for us a consderable sponsorsip deal, all will be hunky dory.

Oh, you poor, poor soul. Your nievette is refreshing, if somewhat provincial. You don't seem to understand, he owns the club and every time you buy a jersey or a ticket, he earns money. He's about as likely to go anywhere as he is to sell the Bucs. And believe me, if he didn't intend to procure for Man U several sponsorship deals in America, he wouldn't have bothered with the team.

NFL demographics teams have already established it. Otherwise they wouldn't be looking seriously at a London team. The NFL is all about the money, if there isn't sufficient interest they either work the area to build it or they just don't pay attention to it.

They underestimate anti-american sentiment, notably in that the general populace percieve the US and Blair as culpable for inciting 7/7.

Oh, you poor, poor soul. Your nievette is refreshing, if somewhat provincial. You don't seem to understand, he owns the club and every time you buy a jersey or a ticket, he earns money. He's about as likely to go anywhere as he is to sell the Bucs. And believe me, if he didn't intend to procure for Man U several sponsorship deals in America, he wouldn't have bothered with the team.

It is not a jersey it is a shirt. Secondly, as with most United fans, I do not attend fixtures, I live near London:p . If Glazer brings the club financial and sporting progression, frankly I don't care, if he abuses us, god help the bloke.

I am English / British and dislike all ball games

I am English/British and hate all ball games

Then...why are you here?

unless you like hockey, which uses a puck. In that case we're cool.

Well just telling you 'end of'

Washington Redskins

They underestimate anti-american sentiment, notably in that the general populace percieve the US and Blair as culpable for inciting 7/7.

Look, you obviously don't understand how demographics are gathered. A walks around a city and randomly selects somebody to ask them some questions. The first question is invariably going to be, "Are you interested in the NFL?" The second question is going to be, "If an NFL team was established in [enter city here], would you watch or attend the games?" There might be more questions to be asked, but those first two are going to be the key. Obviously there's enough interest in GB in the NFL for the NFL to seriously consider bids.

All that other peripheral, political, BS you keep spouting has nothing to do with it. At least, to any NFL fan it certainly wouldn't. But, you're not an NFL fan, so you don't count.

It is not a jersey it is a shirt. Secondly, as with most United fans, I do not attend fixtures, I live near London:p . If Glazer brings the club financial and sporting progression, frankly I don't care, if he abuses us, god help the bloke.

In American English it's a jersey. When I played soccer, it was a jersey. If they ever sell NFL jerseys in your neck of the woods, feel free to call them shirts.

As for Glazer, even if he does, what are you going to do? Even if a bunch of people peel off to form their own club, it won't have the money, attendance, or players to compete on the same level as Man U or Liverpool.

I've always wondered how the jets fans are doing right now, after their season and herm edwards leaving, and the current issue of injury prone chad pennington.

In American English it's a jersey. When I played soccer, it was a jersey. If they ever sell NFL jerseys in your neck of the woods, feel free to call them shirts.

As for Glazer, even if he does, what are you going to do? Even if a bunch of people peel off to form their own club, it won't have the money, attendance, or players to compete on the same level as Man U or Liverpool.

Yet. United evoke great emotion for all fans, they are considerably more than a normal club, Munich, Best Cantona and 1999 saw to that, and I assure that any United offshoot will be playing league football with alacrity. US fans simply cannot comprehend the emotion and loyalty football evokes for fans, it is a faith, a religion, not something one attends bi-weekly to "support the team".

Yet. United evoke great emotion for all fans, they are considerably more than a normal club, Munich, Best Cantona and 1999 saw to that, and I assure that any United offshoot will be playing league football with alacrity. US fans simply cannot comprehend the emotion and loyalty football evokes for fans, it is a faith, a religion, not something one attends bi-weekly to "support the team".

You've never been to a Packers game.

You've never been to a Packers game.

Ever been to "el classico" in Spain? Milan vs. Internazionale in the San Siro? Seville vs. Betis? Man United vs. Liverpool? Roma vs. Lazio? Matches such as those incite an atmosphere, hostility and emotion I can assure you, mores o than any American football game.

The Kansas city Cheifs

The Edmonton Eskimos

One won this year, the other, sadly did not

I also like rugby. Do people play rugby in the US

I think the pittsburg steelers are universally appealing because of the attitude they have brought to the field the whole bill cohwer era

I also like rugby. Do people play rugby in the US



Rugby isn't a professional sport here that I know of, but it is played.



Also I found this....



Add Pro Bowlers Donovan McNabb and Jeremiah Trotter to a growing list of people who have received handicapped parking complaints written by local Philadelphia disabled advocates Maryann Cottrell and Richard Holland, according to the GLOUCESTER COUNTY TIMES.

Cottrell, who has a 20-year-old daughter who suffers from autism, signed complaints against vehicles registered to the Philadelphia Eagles stars on the evening of Nov. 28 at the Landmark Americana Tap and Grille on the corner of Route 322 and Main Street.

Derek Boyko, a spokesman for the Eagles, said that though McNabb's vehicle was there, the Eagles quarterback was not in Glassboro the evening the complaint was signed. That day, McNabb had surgery in Philadelphia for a sports hernia, an injury that ended his season in early November, Boyko said.

Boyko was unable to confirm several reports that both vehicles were parked by valets, but he said that providing parking was part of Trotter's contract with the Landmark for a weekly live sports talk show he hosted at the local hotspot on Sports Talk 610 WIP during the regular season.

"Nobody is saying our players can park wherever they want," Boyko said

Interesting article: http://observer.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4247215-103977,00.html

Yet. United evoke great emotion for all fans, they are considerably more than a normal club, Munich, Best Cantona and 1999 saw to that, and I assure that any United offshoot will be playing league football with alacrity. US fans simply cannot comprehend the emotion and loyalty football evokes for fans, it is a faith, a religion, not something one attends bi-weekly to "support the team".

You didn't read that guide I posted from the Times, did you? Entire states hate each other because of football. Fans of other AFC West teams don't sit in the Oakland Raiders' side unless they have a death wish.

Then again, the NFL's never had a riot that I know of, so perhaps you're right.

Go Pies! (http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au)

...... and I thought you were cool :rolleyes:

I am a Brit and i like Rugby because football is shit, most boring game ever invented on this planet...if you go to a stadium it gets slightly better but thats only cause you can hurl abuse at people!

Rugby all the way, and Aussies, we are the world champions! so there :D Won't be for long tho with Englands current performances, so we have to be proud while we can be!!

Just a joke aussies, i am sure your rugby team can bounce back from that defeat at some point!

Graham Harvey

Hey, Australian Rules is cool. That whole bouncing on the shoes things is hard.

You didn't read that guide I posted from the Times, did you? Entire states hate each other because of football. Fans of other AFC West teams don't sit in the Oakland Raiders' side unless they have a death wish.

Then again, the NFL's never had a riot that I know of, so perhaps you're right.

Yeah, the Roman derby is a nasty one, on average 3 fatalities per match, and thousnads of pounds worth of damage to the stadium.:p

Yeah, the Roman derby is a nasty one, on average 3 fatalities per match, and thousnads of pounds worth of damage to the stadium.:p

We need to get a bunch of rich Games Workshop fans to start a real Blood Bowl league.

We need to get a bunch of rich Games Workshop fans to start a real Blood Bowl league.

ewww, just envisage the Bo smell and acne....:p

Would be fun though.

I also like rugby. Do people play rugby in the US
They sure do. I saw them at the Sevens tournament down here in Wellington last year. Not too bad, but not very good. Pretty average.
Also their proper (15's) team isn't that good.

Yeah, rugby's becoming a high school sport. Just wait, the US is going to own the 2012 Olympics rugby event.

Making generalizations and pandering to narrow prejudices, are we? As a matter of fact, most NFL cities simply don't make good Superbowl venues; London would make an excellent one because like NYC and Miami it has a lot of stuff to do on top of the Superbowl. Half of the NFL is finance, and more often than not the most important part.
No, I just think that the people who make the decisions often have vested loyalties and there'd be too much opposition, same reason Japan didn't get the Rugby World Cup hosting, the "Big 8" Rugby countries aren't willing to let an outsider have it.



No, I'm talking about the Pats owner starting a NFL team in Liverpool. I'm aware he owns a soccer team in GB, but the NFL is lot different from soccer or rugby, even if the games are cousins. Just ask any sports writer in GB. In fact, here: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,10369-1675338,00.html
Hmm, I know that the owner made enquiries about investing in Liverpool fc (soccer club) but nothing about an NFL team.




As for Glazier, that's what every sports team owner in America does. It's how they do business, because the more sales you can get at home and worldwide, especially in a sport with no salary cap, the better off the team is. Most Americans who are even peripherally aware of soccer know about Man U, but nobody sells stuff here. It's part of the reason why soccer is so unpopular.
But I tihnk people will sell stuff, I was just pointing out that the stuff you mentioned could go both ways.


You didn't read that guide I posted from the Times, did you? Entire states hate each other because of football. Fans of other AFC West teams don't sit in the Oakland Raiders' side unless they have a death wish.

Then again, the NFL's never had a riot that I know of, so perhaps you're right.
Sorry. but in rivalry terms I think that the NFL's off the pace, if only because it isn't International, so I don't think you have the same history behind the countries.

Pakistan vs India or England vs Australia in cricket
England vs Wales (or Ireland and Scotland) in rugby
England vs France (notice a pattern) in football
Northern Ireland vs EIRE

The political history between the countries (which for example between the English and Wales/Scotland/Ireland goes back 800 years plus) and also the longevity of the matches, the first England vs Australia cricket match was over a hundred years ago (possibly nearer 200). Plus with the nationalistic pride, I'd say you get more passion and atmosphere as well.

Yeah, rugby's becoming a high school sport. Just wait, the US is going to own the 2012 Olympics rugby event.
Rugby isn't an olympic sport?

Rugby isn't an olympic sport?
They're thinking about making 7's an Olympic event I think

No, I just think that the people who make the decisions often have vested loyalties and there'd be too much opposition, same reason Japan didn't get the Rugby World Cup hosting, the "Big 8" Rugby countries aren't willing to let an outsider have it.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the US isn't like that. We don't give a damn about what country hosts what event, just so long as it makes money and everybody who watches or participates has a good time. To us sports is more about the people than the countries of origin.

But I tihnk people will sell stuff, I was just pointing out that the stuff you mentioned could go both ways.

Believe it or not, soccer stuff from across the pond does sell. The English national team jerseys are especially popular among those who spend money on soccer paraphenalia.

Sorry. but in rivalry terms I think that the NFL's off the pace, if only because it isn't International, so I don't think you have the same history behind the countries.

Pakistan vs India or England vs Australia in cricket
England vs Wales (or Ireland and Scotland) in rugby
England vs France (notice a pattern) in football
Northern Ireland vs EIRE

Do keep in mind that the US has entire states with greater size and population than most of the countries just listed. As it is, like I said above, the US only takes a nationalistic view of its sports when the Olympics come around.

The political history between the countries (which for example between the English and Wales/Scotland/Ireland goes back 800 years plus) and also the longevity of the matches, the first England vs Australia cricket match was over a hundred years ago (possibly nearer 200). Plus with the nationalistic pride, I'd say you get more passion and atmosphere as well.

Oh yes, the brawls, mobbings, and all that other crap is so something to be proud of. Never mind the all-out riots that happen every other year or so. All fueled by nationalistic BS baggage that you can't let go after a century or two.

The sooner y'all learn that sports and politics don't mix, the safer the sports fans are going to be. It's part of the reason soccer isn't very popular over here, Americans want none of it. The fact that all that crap is attributed to soccer, rightly or wrongly, is also the reason that rugby is likely to overtake soccer in sports popularity here. That, and it's closer to what most of us consider the national pastime.

I like the Raiders and the 49ers, but I don't really care about pro football very much.

I prefer college football. My favorite teams are Cal (the bears), UC Davies (the aggies) UCLA (the bruins), Oregon (the ducks), Washington (the Huskies) and Texas A&M (the aggies) and Nevada (the wolfpack).

Actually, they're talking about a new 80,000 seat stadium in the center of London.

Are you sure your not thinking about the Olympic Stadium in Londons east end?

That wont be ready til 2012 at the lastest.

Or Wemberly, which is for Football (the real one).

No, there are two distinct plans. The most like is that any London NFL team will simply use Wembly, but that might cause conflicting schedules for any Monday or Sunday games. The other plan is to build a dedicated NFL stadium; no conflicting schedules, but definately more expensive.

Wembley will be a 90,000 seat stadium in Wembley, opening in April i think?! I can't remember if it is this year of next, i have a feeling it is this year cause i read somewhere that Bon Jovi will be the first person to play at the new wembley in 2006! I am soooo getting tickets, probs already sold out tho!

1. Show us a website proving your claim

2. Where will the money come from

3. Where will it be built

4. Can you prove that people will go to the game?

Last time i checked, America isnt the most popular country here at the moment, and i doubt it will be for some time.

1. Don't remember where I read it, so I can't very well do that.
2. What part of "NFL owners are multi-billionaires" don't you understand? Plus, I don't doubt that London would underwrite some of the costs, most NFL cities do.
3. If it's built at all, most likely London. However, I've read that the Patriots owner is looking at Liverpool.
4. There are NFL fans in the UK, so I would assume so. Whether this is true will be proven or disproven by the '06 Wembly game.
5. Get the political BS out of your head, London doesn't care and neither does the NFL. Money talks, everything else walks.

What ever the case, American Football is unlikely to succed in the UK, football has a hold on the country and has done for the past 150 years.

I have watched the super bowl and find it boring, too much standing around, not enough action.

Whereas Football, is constant, the ball is moving most of the game, it only stops moving when there are injuries.

1. Don't remember where I read it, so I can't very well do that.
2. What part of "NFL owners are multi-billionaires" don't you understand? Plus, I don't doubt that London would underwrite some of the costs, most NFL cities do.
3. If it's built at all, most likely London. However, I've read that the Patriots owner is looking at Liverpool.
4. There are NFL fans in the UK, so I would assume so. Whether this is true will be proven or disproven by the '06 Wembly game.
5. Get the political BS out of your head, London doesn't care and neither does the NFL. Money talks, everything else walks.
1) or you amde it up, it'd be quiotwe easy to google it and find a artical on it.
2) With red Ken in charge, i don't think so. Public opperition would be massive.
3) Londons packed out with sdports teams, You've got all the Football (West Ham, Chelski, Tottenham, Arsnal...) then the rugby, (London Irish, Wasps, Quins) and the ciricket (Lords, the Oval.) I don't think a new sport would be taken to easly.

And do you have any idea how much scosers love there football? They are some of the most passionate fans on the planet, no other sport can seriously survive up there.

4)There are fans out here, Martain Johnson for one. But most british hate the sport, sky show quite a bit of American football and NO ONE watches it. A lot of people detest American football because A) it's American.
B) They think it's rugby for puffs.
C) There football fans.

5) if you think that then you don't know much about Britian. Over here people don't care about money. indeed people hate clubs because they have money (Cheski.)

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the US isn't like that. We don't give a damn about what country hosts what event, just so long as it makes money and everybody who watches or participates has a good time. To us sports is more about the people than the countries of origin.

Who decides where it goes? If the same amount of money was to be made in London as in an American city, would they want to send it to London. And wouldn't they almost always make more money from it being in the US. Among other things the time difference, less money likely to be made if it's played at what would be in America a mid-afternoon time as opposed to a evening time. And won't more money almost always be made if it's in a US city, due to the much larger popularity ther.



Do keep in mind that the US has entire states with greater size and population than most of the countries just listed. As it is, like I said above, the US only takes a nationalistic view of its sports when the Olympics come around.

Size isn't everything, and I'd contend there's more passion in playing for your country then your region, and more rivalry when it's between two countries who've centuries of history (or even very bitter recent history eg India vs Pakistan) and in some cases over a century of sporting rivalry, then between states whose main reason for rivalry is the teams themselves.


Oh yes, the brawls, mobbings, and all that other crap is so something to be proud of. Never mind the all-out riots that happen every other year or so. All fueled by nationalistic BS baggage that you can't let go after a century or two.
You're living in the past if you think that all that stuff still happens more than very occasionally


The sooner y'all learn that sports and politics don't mix, the safer the sports fans are going to be. It's part of the reason soccer isn't very popular over here, Americans want none of it. The fact that all that crap is attributed to soccer, rightly or wrongly, is also the reason that rugby is likely to overtake soccer in sports popularity here. That, and it's closer to what most of us consider the national pastime.
The politics can cause bigger rivalries without the riots, eg in Rugby. And riots have more or less been stamped out in the major soccer playing nations.

And I really don't think that London would underwrite any costs for an NFL stadium. They're still building Wembley, and have the 2012 Olympics to concentrate on, both of which are more important to Britain than an NFL stadium. They're already spending too much money on those two projects for them to underwrite what would be a minority sports stadium.

As on the riots thing, are you egtting confused with the 80's, there hasn't been a riot over ehre for years.

Notre Dame.

Who decides where it goes? If the same amount of money was to be made in London as in an American city, would they want to send it to London. And wouldn't they almost always make more money from it being in the US. Among other things the time difference, less money likely to be made if it's played at what would be in America a mid-afternoon time as opposed to a evening time. And won't more money almost always be made if it's in a US city, due to the much larger popularity ther.

The NFL does. As for the rest, I won't get into the intricacies, except to say, not necessarily.

Size isn't everything, and I'd contend there's more passion in playing for your country then your region, and more rivalry when it's between two countries who've centuries of history (or even very bitter recent history eg India vs Pakistan) and in some cases over a century of sporting rivalry, then between states whose main reason for rivalry is the teams themselves.

There's no difference between Texas in the US and Wales in the UK. If anything, US states are actually somewhat freer in their dealings. And if you don't think there's significant hostility between some states, you don't know your US history very well.

You're living in the past if you think that all that stuff still happens more than very occasionally

You mean in GB? You can't claim soccer as the international sport and then disown what happens outside of your own country. Americans hear about soccer riots all the time in South America or Africa.

The politics can cause bigger rivalries without the riots, eg in Rugby. And riots have more or less been stamped out in the major soccer playing nations.

Soccer is soccer. If there's a soccer-related riot or mobbing, then all of soccer gets a black eye.

And I really don't think that London would underwrite any costs for an NFL stadium. They're still building Wembley, and have the 2012 Olympics to concentrate on, both of which are more important to Britain than an NFL stadium. They're already spending too much money on those two projects for them to underwrite what would be a minority sports stadium.

Maybe, maybe not. If that's the case, it's a major point in favor of Wembly hosting NFL events and any eventual team.

soccer pwns you.

soccer pwns you.
No, soccer does not pwn me.

Maybe, maybe not. If that's the case, it's a major point in favor of Wembly hosting NFL events and any eventual team.
Again I doubt Wembly would host it, ro Twickers for that matter. Wembly is The Football Ground-designed for the Football, and Twickers is designed for Rugby. In the smae wa lords is designed for cricket.

There's no difference between Texas in the US and Wales in the UK. If anything, US states are actually somewhat freer in their dealings. And if you don't think there's significant hostility between some states, you don't know your US history very well.

I like the hostility inside a state better. Watching Texas and Texas A&M go at it is somehow SO much better with there being a rivalry.

I'm sure I wrote this before, stupid forums (or my memory, equally likely :( )
The NFL does. As for the rest, I won't get into the intricacies, except to say, not necessarily.



There's no difference between Texas in the US and Wales in the UK. If anything, US states are actually somewhat freer in their dealings. And if you don't think there's significant hostility between some states, you don't know your US history very well.
I'm not saying there isn't, I'm just saying that there's more between the countries. And also in the case of Wales and England (and Scotland/Ireland-England too) the hostility goes back 800 years plus, and the teams have been playing each other for over a century, I don't think states can compete with either the history there, or the more recent but very large hostilities eg between Pakistan and India.



You mean in GB? You can't claim soccer as the international sport and then disown what happens outside of your own country. Americans hear about soccer riots all the time in South America or Africa.

I mean on any sort of scale like they used to. I'm somewhat sceptical about soccer riots "all the time" since I follow soccer and I don't hear about them that often (and I'd imagine that the riots are the only thing about soccer the American Media reports).

And I'd say it's often more because of the countries it takes place in and the pre-existing turmoil between them that was the cause more than soccer.



Maybe, maybe not. If that's the case, it's a major point in favor of Wembly hosting NFL events and any eventual team.
I very much doubt Wembley will ever host an NFL team, one-off events perhaps, but never a team. Wembley as a national stadium is practically sacred to soccer fans and teams, it's the Jerusalem/Mecca(sp?)/etc of British soccer, and for it to become the home of an American Football team would cause outcry.

I'm sure I wrote this before, stupid forums (or my memory, equally likely :( )

I'm not saying there isn't, I'm just saying that there's more between the countries. And also in the case of Wales and England (and Scotland/Ireland-England too) the hostility goes back 800 years plus, and the teams have been playing each other for over a century, I don't think states can compete with either the history there, or the more recent but very large hostilities eg between Pakistan and India.


Correct, just go on message boards to see the hostility between countrys-even teams. \For insatnce during last years forest-Dirby Darby (the Biran Clough Direby) One Forest fan brought 30,000 inflatable sex sheep to therow at Dirbey fans. The only match I've ever been beaten at is the Forest Direby game. it's always sold out and is incredably intense.


I mean on any sort of scale like they used to. I'm somewhat sceptical about soccer riots "all the time" since I follow soccer and I don't hear about them that often (and I'd imagine that the riots are the only thing about soccer the American Media reports).

And I'd say it's often more because of the countries it takes place in and the pre-existing turmoil between them that was the cause more than soccer.

You don't get anything in any coutnrys like you sued too, policing is so much better, in the old Zulus matchs people got killed.


I very much doubt Wembley will ever host an NFL team, one-off events perhaps, but never a team. Wembley as a national stadium is practically sacred to soccer fans and teams, it's the Jerusalem/Mecca(sp?)/etc of British soccer, and for it to become the home of an American Football team would cause outcry.
My point, theres no way Wembley, or Twickers or Lords could be used. Fans just wouldn't allow it. Existing football stadiums would be difficult as well due to a virity of reasons.

And for all you non-americans, futbol/soccer SUCKS! I don't know why you like the sport at all. It is ten times more boring than baseball or golf. However, both those sports have a lot of fans, so I can understand you supporting the talent level of players or their stamina or whatever, but why do you have riots where people are trampled at games? Do they give out free coke at games or something?.

I would ask you to either prove your point or retract your arguement. You cannot prove something to be more or less interesting. More to the point, Football is far more free flowing than American football. You dont stop every 30 seconds and re arrange the teams.

There's no difference between Texas in the US and Wales in the UK. If anything, US states are actually somewhat freer in their dealings. And if you don't think there's significant hostility between some states, you don't know your US history very well.

How long has Texas existed as a political entity? And how long has Wales. I think you get the point.


You mean in GB? You can't claim soccer as the international sport and then disown what happens outside of your own country. Americans hear about soccer riots all the time in South America or Africa.

Sources. Also I sincerely doubt that football is the major cause of those things. There's far more deep routed politics going on there


Soccer is soccer. If there's a soccer-related riot or mobbing, then all of soccer gets a black eye.

So tar all of a sport with the same brush. Very enlightened.

How long has Texas existed as a political entity? And how long has Wales. I think you get the point.

About 200 years and 3000 years I balive!