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What is your opinion of Hitler? Was he a good leader with twisted morals, was he a horrible leader with horrible ideas? What is your opinion?

A mixture of both in my opinion. He had both merits and demerits. I would love to argue this, but I don't think I am going to be on much longer today.

He was a terrible military strategist, a very intelligent economist, a wise domestic leader with awful, twisted ideals, and charismatic as all hell.

I heard he was a vegetarian. Now taking into account the fact that he slaughtered millions of Jews, gypsies, and homosexuals, started a world war, and sided with anti-semitic islamofascists you see why I don't trust vegetarians.

Hitler was a megolomaniac, with a dark and twisted mind. He had one great asset - he was an incredible public speaker, with the ability to use words to get a number of good people to follow him down a dark path.
He was certainly no military genius - Barbarossa alone shows that! He used the simmering hatred from the humilliating treaty of Versaille, and the general thoughts that the army was never defeated, that the politicians surrenderd, as the fighting never reached Germany.
Hitler was an incredibly evil man, and he plunged the world into madness.

He was better of a leader than Josef Stalin.

Hmm. Well, Hitler did recognize a real problem, but it wasn't exclusive to the races he was exterminating. The problem exists in every race, even the so called "aryan race." Exterminating anyone for it is both hypocritical, and overreacting.

He could have been a great dictator, had he not satisfied his own insanity.


Oh and...
(You knew this was coming)

LEAD TENOR STORMTROOPER:
And now it's...
Springtime for Hitler and Germany
Deutschland is happy and gay!
We're marching to a faster pace
Look out, here comes the master race!
Springtime for Hitler and Germany
Rhineland's a fine land once more!
Springtime for Hitler and Germany
Watch out, Europe
We're going on tour!
Springtime for Hitler and Germany...

How can you say he was a horrible strategists? He basically invented blitzkrieg, which the U.S. still is king of using today.

I heard he was a vegetarian. Now taking into account the fact that he slaughtered millions of Jews, gypsies, and homosexuals, started a world war, and sided with anti-semitic islamofascists you see why I don't trust vegetarians.

Heresay isn't solid evidence. I hate vegetarianism too, but you can't say "I heard Hitler may have been a vegetarian therefore all vegetarians are bad."

How can you say he was a horrible strategists? He basically invented blitzkrieg, which the U.S. still is king of using today.

He allowed himself to be surrounded by two world super powers (the
Soviet Union and the United States). A real military strategist wouldn't have attacked Russia until everyone else was secure.

Heresay isn't solid evidence. I hate vegetarianism too, but you can't say "I heard Hitler may have been a vegetarian therefore all vegetarians are bad."
Sure I can.

How can you say he was a horrible strategists? He basically invented blitzkrieg, which the U.S. still is king of using today.
Yep. The blitzkrieg was extremely successful, but for the first part of the war.

How can you say he was a horrible strategists? He basically invented blitzkrieg, which the U.S. still is king of using today.
Hitler had as much grasp of the German Army as George Bush has of the US Army. None. He had experts work out how to achieve the desired effects.

How can you say he was a horrible strategists? He basically invented blitzkrieg, which the U.S. still is king of using today.
He didn't leave the war to his generals, and you know how that story ended.

I've heard historians describe Hitler as a gifted amateur strategist when he wasn't basing his decisions on his insane prejudices. Similarly, an orator of note and, apparently, a very clever politician.

Utter fuckwit, insane, and an insult to humanity are other, equally accurate descriptions, I think :)

Yep. The blitzkrieg was extremely successful, but for the first part of the war.

Hitler got stupid when he thought he could fight Russia and the U.S. And yes he was a much better leader than Stalin, though Stalin was smart in selling food for money to industrialize.

Hitler, was as mad as a snake but good at shouting at people. HE was however lazy and most of his economic and military achievments are down to other people e.g. Schacht, Rommel...

He allowed himself to be surrounded by two world super powers (the
Soviet Union and the United States). A real military strategist wouldn't have attacked Russia until everyone else was secure.
Three superpowers. Britain was still very powerful back then.

He allowed himself to be surrounded by two world super powers (the
Soviet Union and the United States). A real military strategist wouldn't have attacked Russia until everyone else was secure.
I think there was a reason to attack Russia.
One: Because of the British Air Forces, Britain was impossible to invade.
Two: I think it was because of the resources.
Three: Russia was pretty weak in their economy and military.

Elgesh']I've heard historians describe Hitler as a gifted amateur strategist when he wasn't basing his decisions on his insane prejudices. Similarly, an orator of note and, apparently, a very clever politician.

Actually, he based his strategies on internal feelings and emotions.

Hitler was a racist who liked the ideals of the Nazi party. He was a great economist(spelling?) and somewhat of a decent military strategist, except for his mistake in not taking Britain and attacking Russia. He basically had a few mental issues, but other than that, he brought his nation out of the depression but led them into the most destructive war the planet had ever seen.

Heresay isn't solid evidence. I hate vegetarianism too, but you can't say "I heard Hitler may have been a vegetarian therefore all vegetarians are bad."



He allowed himself to be surrounded by two world super powers (the
Soviet Union and the United States). A real military strategist wouldn't have attacked Russia until everyone else was secure.

Your statement is incorrect. At the time of world war two the United States was not a world super power, it was instead the war and the destabilisation of the colonial powers that brought the state into its own.

The break down of controlled world trade and the U.S policy of isolationism both allowed the United States to rise in power after world war two.

As for the Soviet Union, that was not a world power, not until at least 1946, and even then with over twenty million dead it was still hard pressed to have its weight felt around the globe.

The error Hitler made was not defeating the United Kingdom from the off, if he had invaded Britain the United States would never have been able to establish a land base in Europe and therefore invade Germany directly.

Russia would have then had all of the Germanys attention and would have most assuredly lost.

At the time of World War Two in 1939, the British Empire and the French Republic were the only real super powers, all be it declining ones.

Actually, he based his strategies on internal feelings and emotions.

In my opinion if most of your ideals and are from your emotions you will fail.

He was better of a leader than Josef Stalin.

How come?

I think there was a reason to attack Russia.
One: Because of the British Air Forces, Britain was impossible to invade.
Two: I think it was because of the resources.
Three: Russia was pretty weak in their economy and military.

He hated the slavs.
He was still engrossed in creating his Grosser Deutsche Reiche
...He got bored of Stalin selling him iron and other raw materials to fund a war which he would bring to them.

Don't get the whole maniac insanity part though, I wouldnt call him insane essentially. He had very far out ideas and a warped mind, not entirly his own fault. The only difference was he got himself into a position to carry out his ideas. Therein lies the misjudgement.
I have such "evil" ideas, if you like, from time to time, and im also spend time thinknig deeply about such things as this which fascinate me. Hell in ways I can relate to what he was thinknig or doing.
Only difference is, I have the humanity and judgement to not actually try to carry ideas out.

p.s. dont bother flaming with "k, so what your saying is you regularly think of exterminating jews"...

Your statement is incorrect. At the time of world war two the United States was not a world super power, it was instead the war and the destabilisation of the colonial powers that brought the state into its own.

The break down of controlled world trade and the U.S policy of isolationism both allowed the United States to rise in power after world war two.

As for the Soviet Union, that was not a world power, not until at least 1946, and even then with over twenty million dead it was still hard pressed to have its weight felt around the globe.

The error Hitler made was not defeating the United Kingdom from the off, if he had invaded Britain the United States would never have been able to establish a land base in Europe and therefore invade Germany directly.

Russia would have then had all of the Germanys attention and would have most assuredly lost.

At the time of World War Two in 1939, the British Empire and the French Republic were the only real super powers, all be it declining ones.
All very correct. He should have either made Britain an ally or taken it by force, although that would be no mean feat in itself. France fell quite fast due to economic paralysis.

He hated the slavs.
He was still engrossed in creating his Grosser Deutsche Reiche
...He got bored of Stalin selling him iron and other raw materials to fund a war which he would bring to them.

Don't get the whole maniac insanity part though, I wouldnt call him insane essentially. He had very far out ideas and a warped mind, not entirly his own fault. The only difference was he got himself into a position to carry out his ideas. Therein lies the misjudgement.
I have such "evil" ideas, if you like, from time to time, and im also spend time thinknig deeply about such things as this which fascinate me. Hell in ways I can relate to what he was thinknig or doing.
Only difference is, I have the humanity and judgement to not actually try to carry ideas out.

p.s. dont bother flaming with "k, so what your saying is you regularly think of exterminating jews"...
Same here, I allow my mind the power to travel free. Acting out on thoughts and merely experimenting with them are two distinct things, and I do not believe in limiting one's mind if they restrict their thought processes to the mental arena.

Your statement is incorrect. At the time of world war two the United States was not a world super power, it was instead the war and the destabilisation of the colonial powers that brought the state into its own.

The break down of controlled world trade and the U.S policy of isolationism both allowed the United States to rise in power after world war two.

As for the Soviet Union, that was not a world power, not until at least 1946, and even then with over twenty million dead it was still hard pressed to have its weight felt around the globe.

The error Hitler made was not defeating the United Kingdom from the off, if he had invaded Britain the United States would never have been able to establish a land base in Europe and therefore invade Germany directly.

Russia would have then had all of the Germanys attention and would have most assuredly lost.

At the time of World War Two in 1939, the British Empire and the French Republic were the only real super powers, all be it declining ones.

I disagree with you. I think that Hitler's biggest mistake was invading Russia. Superpower or not, the war front was not somewhere you would want to fight. I have a theory, if you want to take over the world, make the superpowers fight each other. That means sticking the U.S. against Russia.

If Hitler had have attacked the Middle East instead of Russia in 1941 the war would have been quite different. He would not need to worry about oil supplies, could threaten British India and have a pinser movement on Russia going through the Caucaus(spelt right?) and taking a large part of Russia's oil supply. This would have affected the war very differently. If Hitler had have beat Russia he could have then finished off Britain and then helped the Japanese in the Pacific. After this the USA would be isolated and on its own. It would have come to its knees economically as it is not self sufficient in natural resources.

_-_-_-Your statement is incorrect. At the time of world war two the United States was not a world super power, it was instead the war and the destabilisation of the colonial powers that brought the state into its own. _-_-_-
At the time of World War Two in 1939, the British Empire and the French Republic were the only real super powers, all be it declining ones.

No. USA and Soviet Union were both already much stronger than France and UK. Usa had been since the WW1, after which its economics and industrial capacity had been overwhelming compared to the old European powers. Soviet Union and Germany were both rising stars, and these three, USA, SU and Third Reich were easily the strongest nations in 1939.

The thing is, USA didn't have that power presented in form of a massive military untill Pearl Harbour, and Soviet Union was also just getting ready. Germany had its power presented in Wehrmach and Luftwaffe, which gave it the advantage. When US Army and Red Army started to be in same scale with the nations behind them, Germany was doomed.

If Hitler had have attacked the Middle East instead of Russia in 1941 the war would have been quite different. He would not need to worry about oil supplies, could threaten British India and have a pinser movement on Russia going through the Caucaus(spelt right?) and taking a large part of Russia's oil supply. This would have affected the war very differently. If Hitler had have beat Russia he could have then finished off Britain and then helped the Japanese in the Pacific. After this the USA would be isolated and on its own. It would have come to its knees economically as it is not self sufficient in natural resources.
Interesting perspective. When Italy invaded Abyssinia the League of Nations did very little to punish it, so had Hitler targetted the Middle East, he may have yielded similar success and suffered no punishment. The Allies were isolated and self-interested in the time, still recovering from the Great War. The USA would fall rather quickly against a combined Japanese/ German force.

No. USA and Soviet Union were both already much stronger than France and UK. Usa had been since the WW1, after which its economics and industrial capacity had been overwhelming compared to the old European powers. Soviet Union and Germany were both rising stars, and these three, USA, SU and Third Reich were easily the strongest nations in 1939.

The thing is, USA didn't have that power presented in form of a massive military untill Pearl Harbour, and Soviet Union was also just getting ready. Germany had its power presented in Wehrmach and Luftwaffe, which gave it the advantage. When US Army and Red Army started to be in same scale with the nations behind them, Germany was doomed.
Britain still had both the economic and military might to crush Germany, should she have decided to invade British soil. Britain was anything but weak at this stage. It was not its former self, but it was nothing less of a power.

If Hitler had have attacked the Middle East instead of Russia in 1941 the war would have been quite different. He would not need to worry about oil supplies, could threaten British India and have a pinser movement on Russia going through the Caucaus(spelt right?) and taking a large part of Russia's oil supply. This would have affected the war very differently. If Hitler had have beat Russia he could have then finished off Britain and then helped the Japanese in the Pacific. After this the USA would be isolated and on its own. It would have come to its knees economically as it is not self sufficient in natural resources.

Interesting theory.

Elgesh']I've heard historians describe Hitler as a gifted amateur strategist when he wasn't basing his decisions on his insane prejudices. Similarly, an orator of note and, apparently, a very clever politician.

Utter fuckwit, insane, and an insult to humanity are other, equally accurate descriptions, I think :)


what he said+a very evil man to boot+plus so doped out of his gourd(luckily)he ignored his generals and got a well deserved bullet in the head.:mp5:

I disagree with you. I think that Hitler's biggest mistake was invading Russia. Superpower or not, the war front was not somewhere you would want to fight. I have a theory, if you want to take over the world, make the superpowers fight each other. That means sticking the U.S. against Russia.

I would say Hitler's greatest mistake was taking Chamberlain and the British-Polish agression pact as folly, and not believing they would act out heir threats, just like most of the late 1930's. Hitlers original plan was to go to war in 1941, and by then the allies may not have been able to withstand his sheer military power. However, the allies in turn would have grown, and it could be argued that Germany were closer to the military status they wished, in 1939, than Britain was.
Indeed, I believe Britain's greatest mistake was the appeasement of the remilitarization of the Rhineland, 1935. All other appeasement after this can be justified in some light, yet if Chamberlain had put his foot down at the Rhineland, Hitler would have ran with his tail between his legs, and the story of the 1930's would have been very different. In fact, the German troops remilitarizing the Rhineland had orders to flee if opposed.

Britain still had both the economic and military might to crush Germany, should she have decided to invade British soil. Britain was anything but weak at this stage. It was not its former self, but it was nothing less of a power.

You're not talking about the same world that I am... Military might to crush something? When the battle of Britain took place, they had - what? Around 300,000 underequipped (many didn't even have a rifle) professionals and the famous territorial army that would have not been worth much more than the police.
The stupidity of Luftwaffe's "Let's waste everything"-tactics and RN's overwhelming numbers compared to Kriegsmarine (although even this could have been overcome had the Italians and Vichy navy joined it) were the factors that held Wehrmacht back, but it was certainly not because UK's national power, by which I mean it's industrial and economical power.

You're not talking about the same world that I am... Military might to crush something? When the battle of Britain took place, they had - what? Around 300,000 underequipped (many didn't even have a rifle) professionals and the famous territorial army that would have not been worth much more than the police.
The stupidity of Luftwaffe's "Let's waste everything"-tactics and RN's overwhelming numbers compared to Kriegsmarine (although even this could have been overcome had the Italians and Vichy navy joined it) were the factors that held Wehrmacht back, but it was certainly not because UK's national power, by which I mean it's industrial and economical power.
According to economic data of the time Britain was no worse off than Germany. They were evenly matched in terms of industrial and economic power.

I heard he was a vegetarian. Now taking into account the fact that he slaughtered millions of Jews, gypsies, and homosexuals, started a world war, and sided with anti-semitic islamofascists you see why I don't trust vegetarians.
Hey, I heard that Stalin was a meat eater.
Now, taking into account he slaughtered millions of Jews, innocent civilians, including peasants, sided with anti-semitic Russians (despite being Georgian), and created one of the most barbarous systems of work-camps ever, you see why I don't trust meat eaters. :rolleyes:

In my opinion if most of your ideals and are from your emotions you will fail.
You're right. This happened, I think, before the Battle of Stalingrad.

I think if the war had started in 1938 instead of 1939 the war would have turned out very differently. At the time the German Army was still not fully mechanized (it still relied on horses for many things). At this stage a war between France, UK, Poland and Czechslovakia against Germany probably would have resulted in the defeat of Germany. Even though Chamberlin thought he needed more time if he had have gone to war then it would have been a lot more balanced. This alternative Woirld War probably would have been shorter and cost far less lives than the real one.

I think if the war hgad started in 1928 instead of 1938 the war would have turned out very differently. At the time the German Army was still not fully mechanized (it still relied on horses for many things). At this stage a war between France, UK, Poland and Czechslovakia against Germany probably would have resulted in the defeat of Germany. Even though Chamberlin thought he needed more time if he had have gone to war then it would have been a lot more balanced. This alternative Woirld War probably would have been shorter and cost far less lives than the real one.
And also highly unlikely...there was nearly no desire to head into war in 1928 Germany.

No. USA and Soviet Union were both already much stronger than France and UK. Usa had been since the WW1, after which its economics and industrial capacity had been overwhelming compared to the old European powers. Soviet Union and Germany were both rising stars, and these three, USA, SU and Third Reich were easily the strongest nations in 1939.

The thing is, USA didn't have that power presented in form of a massive military untill Pearl Harbour, and Soviet Union was also just getting ready. Germany had its power presented in Wehrmach and Luftwaffe, which gave it the advantage. When US Army and Red Army started to be in same scale with the nations behind them, Germany was doomed.
USA and Germany were certainly powers...whether the Soviet Union can be put on the same level is unlikely. Their strength was in their manpower, which the leadership misused terribly. With Russia's resources, the USSR should have been far more powerful than it was - perhaps even more so than America. As it was, it was perhaps on a level between Britain and the US.

sorry typo. Meant war started in 1938 instead of 1939. Not 1928

How come?
Hmm, let's see. Stalin was a paranoid bastard and had even memebers of his family killed. He killed more than 40,000,000 of his own people, wich was more than how many Russians were killed in WW2. The collectivization was a terrible idea. And, um, that's all I remember.

sorry typo. Meant war started in 1938 instead of 1939. Not 1928
France had been pushing for an earlier reaction to Germany's actions, but there was indifference on part of the other Allies. Many in Britain actually sympathised with the Nazi cause.

Hmm, let's see. Stalin was a paranoid bastard and had even memebers of his family killed. He killed more than 40,000,000 of his own people, wich was more than how many Russians were killed in WW2. The collectivization was a terrible idea. And, um, that's all I remember.
He treated people as resources rather than humans. "One death is a tragedy, One million deaths is a statistic." Around 13 million Russians were killed in the war with Germany I believe. 40 000 000 would indeed be the total death toll of Soviets under Stalin's rule.

No. USA and Soviet Union were both already much stronger than France and UK. Usa had been since the WW1, after which its economics and industrial capacity had been overwhelming compared to the old European powers. Soviet Union and Germany were both rising stars, and these three, USA, SU and Third Reich were easily the strongest nations in 1939.

The thing is, USA didn't have that power presented in form of a massive military untill Pearl Harbour, and Soviet Union was also just getting ready. Germany had its power presented in Wehrmach and Luftwaffe, which gave it the advantage. When US Army and Red Army started to be in same scale with the nations behind them, Germany was doomed.

So the USA wasn’t in the grip of mind numbing depression?

Of course not, BAH utter rubbish.

At the time of World War Two, the United Kingdoms navy was far more numerous and had equal if not more land forces, now this was a time when she was Reducing her military and naval output….. Now the main fact we need to look at is that The British Empire controlled one quarter of the Earths land surface and was still the worlds greatest super power.

Why?

Because the British Empire still controlled most of the planets resources and oil, not to mention the Suez canal which was the lifeline to many European powers, including that of Germany.

The United States Navy and Air Force at the start of World War Two was ill trained, ill equipped, and had next to no battlefield experience.

The British Empire however had continuous battlefield training in rebellious colonies.

Now, the United Kingdom was continually under German bombing was still able to match production rates of the third Reich.

It’s rather simple, The United Kingdom was stronger than the USA in 1939. Economically and Militarily.

The United States was only able to grow its army, navy and air force during world war two due to BRITISH payments for warships and other resources. Effectively, the entire British treasury was transferred to the USA, which then initiated American growth.

Indeed, this is what Britain was like back then. A veritable superpower.

I disagree with you. I think that Hitler's biggest mistake was invading Russia. Superpower or not, the war front was not somewhere you would want to fight. I have a theory, if you want to take over the world, make the superpowers fight each other. That means sticking the U.S. against Russia.

I also saw the Sum of all Fears :P

I heard he was a vegetarian. Now taking into account the fact that he slaughtered millions of Jews, gypsies, and homosexuals, started a world war, and sided with anti-semitic islamofascists you see why I don't trust vegetarians.

Why not ? If one believes animals to be innocent but consider Jews, gypsies and homosexuals to be evil this position is quite logical and even noble. Destroy evil, protect the innocent.
Of course, Hitlers actual arguments for calling these humans evil were.. how shall I put it using polite euphemism... "a bit shakey".

All very correct. He should have either made Britain an ally or taken it by force, although that would be no mean feat in itself. France fell quite fast due to economic paralysis.

France fell fast because they didn't have any idea how the military tech worked. Ever hear of the Maginoet(sp, I think there is a silent t, anyway) Line?

And he tried to make a truce/peace with Britain. He lost one of his better lieutenants trying to do so as he got arrested when he got off the plane.

France fell fast because they didn't have any idea how the military tech worked. Ever hear of the Maginoet(sp, I think there is a silent t, anyway) Line?

And he tried to make a truce/peace with Britain. He lost one of his better lieutenants trying to do so as he got arrested when he got off the plane.
I know. With the King apparently.

The United States was only able to grow its army, navy and air force during world war two due to BRITISH payments for warships and other resources. Effectively, the entire British treasury was transferred to the USA, which then initiated American growth.
Have you even heard of the Marshall Plan? 1943 - America loans Britain a shitload (not sure of the exact figure) of cash, because otherwise, Britain wouldn't have been able to do the following:
a) pay soldier's wages
b) afford rations for soldiers
c) afford maintenance for planes, ships, tanks, etc.
d) afford munitions
e) build anything.

Hey, I heard that Stalin was a meat eater.
Now, taking into account he slaughtered millions of Jews, innocent civilians, including peasants, sided with anti-semitic Russians (despite being Georgian), and created one of the most barbarous systems of work-camps ever, you see why I don't trust meat eaters. :rolleyes:
Stalin gets a pass because of his cool moustache and haircut.

Stalin gets a pass because of his cool moustache and haircut.
Hitler's owned Stalin's! :p

All very correct. He should have either made Britain an ally or taken it by force, although that would be no mean feat in itself. France fell quite fast due to economic paralysis.
He tried to ally with Britain, and he believed he had a high likelihood of success considering the number of fascist sympathisers in Britain. He had no plans for invading Britain when Britain declared war in September '39, and as such, had to come up with them quickly at the start of the war. Considering he wasn't the best military strategist, it's hardly surprising he didn't manage it.
Also, France didn't just fall because of economic weakness. The Maginot Line was spectacularly inefficient, as the French didn't take into account that the Germans could just go round it and attack from behind. That, and that the 'blitzkrieg' was one of the most efficient forms of land warfare ever devised. Britain would have fallen if we had been subject to blitkrieg, but fortunately, as we're not attached to continental Europe, we weren't.

Hitler's owned Stalin's! :p
Hitler looked like half a fag. Stalin was a manly man.

Hitler's owned Stalin's! :p
Stalin pwnz Hitler, because of the pipe!

He tried to ally with Britain, and he believed he had a high likelihood of success considering the number of fascist sympathisers in Britain. He had no plans for invading Britain when Britain declared war in September '39, and as such, had to come up with them quickly at the start of the war. Considering he wasn't the best military strategist, it's hardly surprising he didn't manage it.
Also, France didn't just fall because of economic weakness. The Maginot Line was spectacularly inefficient, as the French didn't take into account that the Germans could just go round it and attack from behind. That, and that the 'blitzkrieg' was one of the most efficient forms of land warfare ever devised. Britain would have fallen if we had been subject to blitkrieg, but fortunately, as we're not attached to continental Europe, we weren't.
De Gaulle actually opposed French tactics due to their inefficiency.

Had Hitler been luckier in his dealings with Britain he may have made a devastatingly powerful ally.

Hitler looked like half a fag. Stalin was a manly man.
He was a midget :p

Stalin pwnz Hitler, because of the pipe!
Omg he was a hobbit :eek:

How can you say he was a horrible strategists? He basically invented blitzkrieg, which the U.S. still is king of using today.
The blitzkrieg was invented by Du Gaulle and effectively used against his own nation by the German generals.

The blitzkrieg was invented by Du Gaulle and effectively used against his own nation by the German generals.
Talk about tragic irony :p

He was a midget :p
Hitler was a failed artist. Stalin was a failed priest.
Hitler was Austrian. Stalin was Georgian.
Hitler killed c.8 million. Stalin killed anywhere between 30 million and 60 million.
Hitler's record in World Wars was played 1, lost 1. Stalin's was played 1, won 1.
I'm siding with Stalin on this one...(says the NSer known as I V Stalin...)

Hitler was a failed artist. Stalin was a failed priest.
Hitler was Austrian. Stalin was Georgian.
Hitler killed c.8 million. Stalin killed anywhere between 30 million and 60 million.
Hitler's record in World Wars was played 1, lost 1. Stalin's was played 1, won 1.
I'm siding with Stalin on this one...(says the NSer known as I V Stalin...)
How many of those killed by Stalin were his own men (and women)? :rolleyes: He definitely wins the award for the greatest bastard in history. Are you counting in all the Allied soldiers Hitler killed by the way?

His only error was hating the Slavic populations. Had his war on the Ostfront been a war of true liberation against bolshevism and not of Slavic extremination he would have recieved the full support of the Slavic populations(in form of voluntary armies,materials,resources,winter equipment,loyalty to the German armed forces etc) Hitler would have won and Europe could have become a unified super power instead of a greatly divided continent which has lost its former power to the likes of America and soon China.

Hitler was a megolomaniac, with a dark and twisted mind. He had one great asset - he was an incredible public speaker, with the ability to use words to get a number of good people to follow him down a dark path.
He was certainly no military genius - Barbarossa alone shows that! He used the simmering hatred from the humilliating treaty of Versaille, and the general thoughts that the army was never defeated, that the politicians surrenderd, as the fighting never reached Germany.
Hitler was an incredibly evil man, and he plunged the world into madness.
I am surprised to hear anyone say he was an incredible public speaker, because on film he always appears so utterly ludicrous - voice, gestures, words and everything. My dad once looked him in the eye and said he had a very hypnotic stare. So maybe he hypnotized the entire nation. I agree with your final sentence totally.

He allowed himself to be surrounded by two world super powers (the
Soviet Union and the United States). A real military strategist wouldn't have attacked Russia until everyone else was secure.


He attacked when the time was right. Had he waited a year or more, the Soviets would have modernized their army and rid it of the commissar system that was such a handicap to it.

What he should have done was fit the Me-109 fighters with external fuel tanks so that they'd have the range to escort bombers to Britain. Then the Battle of Britain could have been a German victory, and Operation Sea Lion could take place. The other problem with the Battle of Britain was that the Germans did not continue to target the RAF's airfields. This allowed them to rebuild their air force.

The North Africa campaign was a waste of resources. Germany ended up losing 250,000 men in the African theatre for no tangible gain. Those troops could have stopped the Americans at Normandy or made a difference in Russia.

The German navy, U-Boats, and Lufwaffe didn't cooperate in taking out British merchant shipping. Had they done so, the British would probably have been starved, though not necessarily into submission.

Leningrad should have been assaulted at the height of the siege when it was emaciated and weak. Its fall would have been a major blow to Soviet morale. Stalingrad was a crucial mistake, and any sensible commander would have withdrawn. Instead, Hitler wasted half a million men that could have kept the front up. The Battle of Kursk should have been run similarly to the Fourth Battle of Kharkov.

The attack was too late in the year. It should have come during late spring or early summer. Because of the high predictions of Hitler to Barbarossa's early success, too little attention was paid to supply lines. A critical mistake for any army.

The biggest problem with Hitler's strategy was his reluctance to retreat at all, which resulted in German armies being encircled and suffering ridiculous casualties (like at Stalingrad and Tunisia). He also did not trust such brilliant commanders as Rommel, Rundstedt, Manstein, and Kesselring.

The United States was only able to grow its army, navy and air force during world war two due to BRITISH payments for warships and other resources. Effectively, the entire British treasury was transferred to the USA, which then initiated American growth.
The British were not in all that great of an economic position. Along with the rest of Europe. The US ended up giving to Europe $11 billion, which would know translate to close to $100 billion. Marshall Plan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan) Britain got more than any other country in that plan, over $3 billion.

How many of those killed by Stalin were his own men (and women)? :rolleyes: He definitely wins the award for the greatest bastard in history. Are you counting in all the Allied soldiers Hitler killed by the way?
I was actually talking all people in German- (for Hitler) or Soviet- (for Stalin) occupied territory, excluding those who died in combat. Not sure what the German figure would be including comabt, but for Stalin it would be around 50-80 million (that's in the entire time he was in power, 1929-1953).

Here is some more about American support of Britain and other Allied Countries.
On 11th March 1941, Congress passed the Lend-Lease Act. The legislation gave President Franklin D. Roosevelt the powers to sell, transfer, exchange, lend equipment to any country to help it defend itself against the Axis powers.

A sum of $50 billion was appropriated by Congress for Lend-Lease. The money went to 38 different countries with Britain receiving over $31 billion. Over the next few years the British government repaid $650 million of this sum.
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWlendlease.htm

"Hitler had the right idea, he was just an under-achiever! Kill them all, Adolph, all of them! Jew, Mexican, American, white, kill them all!!!!" - Bill Hicks

I heard that he only had one ball.

I heard that he only had one ball.
Sings (to the 'Bridge on the River Kwai' march...you know it!):
Hitler, has only got one ball,
The other, is in the Albert Hall.
His mother, the dirty bugger,
Cut it off when he was small.

If World War Two had been an online Real time Strategy game, the chat room traffic would have gone something like this.

*Hitler[AoE] has joined the game.*
*Eisenhower has joined the game.*
*paTTon has joined the game.*
*Churchill has joined the game.*
*benny-tow has joined the game.*
*T0J0 has joined the game.*
*Roosevelt has joined the game.*
*Stalin has joined the game.*
*deGaulle has joined the game.*
Roosevelt: hey sup
T0J0: y0
Stalin: hi
Churchill: hi
Hitler[AoE]: cool, i start with panzer tanks!
paTTon: lol more like panzy tanks
T0JO: lol
Roosevelt: o this fockin sucks i got a depression!
benny-tow: haha america sux
Stalin: hey hitler you dont fight me i dont fight u, cool?
Hitler[AoE]; sure whatever
Stalin: cool
deGaulle: **** Hitler rushed some1 help
Hitler[AoE]: lol byebye frenchy
Roosevelt: i dont got **** to help, sry
Churchill: wtf the luftwaffle is attacking me
Roosevelt: get antiair guns
Churchill: i cant afford them
benny-tow: u n00bs know what team talk is?
paTTon: stfu
Roosevelt: o yah hit the navajo button guys
deGaulle: eisenhower ur worthless come help me quick
Eisenhower: i cant do **** til rosevelt gives me an army
paTTon: yah hurry the fock up
Churchill: d00d im gettin pounded
deGaulle: this is fockin weak u guys suck
*deGaulle has left the game.*
Roosevelt: im gonna attack the axis k?
benny-tow: with what? ur wheelchair?
benny-tow: lol did u mess up ur legs AND ur head?
Hitler[AoE]: ROFLMAO
T0J0: lol o no america im comin 4 u
Roosevelt: wtf! thats bullsh1t u fags im gunna kick ur asses
T0JO: not without ur harbors u wont! lol
Roosevelt: u little biotch ill get u
Hitler[AoE]: wtf
Hitler[AoE]: america hax, u had depression and now u got a huge fockin army
Hitler[AoE]: thats bullsh1t u hacker
Churchill: lol no more france for u hitler
Hitler[AoE]: tojo help me!
T0J0: wtf u want me to do, im on the other side of the world retard
Hitler[AoE]: fine ill clear you a path
Stalin: WTF u arsshoel! WE HAD A FoCKIN TRUCE
Hitler[AoE]: i changed my mind lol
benny-tow: haha
benny-tow: hey ur losing ur guys in africa im gonna need help in italy soon
sum1
T0J0: o **** i cant help u i got my hands full
Hitler[AoE]: im 2 busy 2 help
Roosevelt: yah thats right ***** im comin for ya
Stalin: church help me
Churchill: like u helped me before? sure ill just sit here
Stalin: dont be an arss
Churchill: dont be a commie. oops too late
Eisenhower: LOL
benny-tow: hahahh oh sh1t help
Hitler: o man ur focked
paTTon: oh what now biotch
Roosevelt: whos the cripple now lol
*benny-tow has been eliminated.*
benny-tow: lame
Roosevelt: gj patton
paTTon: thnx
Hitler[AoE]: WTF eisenhower hax hes killing all my sh1t
Hitler[AoE]: quit u hacker so u dont ruin my record
Eisenhower: Nuts!
benny~tow: wtf that mean?
Eisenhower: meant to say nutsack lol finger slipped
paTTon: coming to get u hitler u paper hanging hun cocksocker
Stalin: rofl
T0J0: HAHAHHAA
Hitler[AoE]: u guys are fockin gay
Hitler[AoE]: ur never getting in my city
*Hitler[AoE] has been eliminated.*
benny~tow: OMG u noob you killed yourself
Eisenhower: ROFLOLOLOL
Stalin: OMG LMAO!
Hitler[AoE]: WTF i didnt click there omg this game blows
*Hitler[AoE] has left the game*
paTTon: hahahhah
T0J0: WTF my teammates are n00bs
benny~tow: shut up noob
Roosevelt: haha wut a moron
paTTon: wtf am i gunna do now?
Eisenhower: yah me too
T0J0: why dont u attack me o thats right u dont got no ships lololol
Eisenhower: fock u
paTTon: lemme go thru ur base commie
Stalin: go to hell lol
paTTon: fock this sh1t im goin afk
Eisenhower: yah this is gay
*Roosevelt has left the game.*
Hitler[AoE]: wtf?
Eisenhower: sh1t now we need some1 to join
*tru_m4n has joined the game.*
tru_m4n: hi all
T0J0: hey
Stalin: sup
Churchill: hi
tru_m4n: OMG OMG OMG i got all his stuff!
tru_m4n: NUKES! HOLY **** I GOT NUKES
Stalin: d00d gimmie some plz
tru_m4n: no way i only got like a couple
Stalin: omg dont be gay gimmie nuculer secrets
T0J0: wtf is nukes?
T0J0: holy ****holy****hoyl****!
*T0J0 has been eliminated.*
*The Allied team has won the game!*
Eisenhower: awesome!
Churchill: gg noobs no re
T0J0: thats bull**** u fockin suck
*T0J0 has left the game.*
*Eisenhower has left the game.*
Stalin: next game im not going to be on ur team, u guys didnt help me for
****
Churchill: wutever, we didnt need ur help neway dumbarss
tru_m4n: l8r all
benny~tow: bye
Churchill: l8r

Stalin: fock u all
tru_m4n: shut up commie lol
*tru_m4n has left the game.*
benny~tow: lololol u commie
Churchill: ROFL
Churchill: bye commie
*Churchill has left the game.*
*benny~tow has left the game.*
Stalin: i hate u all fags
*Stalin has left the game.*
paTTon: lol no1 is left
paTTon: weeeee i got a jeep
*paTTon has been eliminated.*
paTTon: o sh1t!
*paTTon has left the game.*

-snip-
Been posted too many times to be funny anymore.

Sings (to the 'Bridge on the River Kwai' march...you know it!):
Hitler, has only got one ball,
The other, is in the Albert Hall.
His mother, the dirty bugger,
Cut it off when he was small.

I learned a different version.

Hitler, has only got one ball
The other, is in the Albert hall
Himmler's, got something simlar
And Goebbels, got no balls, at all.

This one phrase sums up Hitler.

"He was insane!"

That is ALL you need to know.

This one phrase sums up Hitler.

"He was insane!"

That is ALL you need to know.

With one ball.

I wonder, if he'd kept both balls, would he have been more normal ?

I learned a different version.

Hitler, has only got one ball
The other, is in the Albert hall
Himmler's, got something simlar
And Goebbels, got no balls, at all.
Ive heard that one too.


Hitler was on the Drugs that is why he was so erratic.

Ive heard that one too.


Hitler was on the Drugs that is why he was so erratic.
So was the reverend Jim Jones. Too bad Hitler wasn't into Kool Aid.*


*The People's Temple actually didn't use Kool Aid. That's a popular misconception. They used a generic brand called Fla-Vor-Aid. Grape flavor to be precise.

With one ball.

I wonder, if he'd kept both balls, would he have been more normal ?
I think he was insane because he found out his real surname was 'Schicklgruber'. Imagine if he'd gone to war with that name...no one would take him seriously.
In the Houses of Parliament:
'Herr Schicklgruber has invaded Poland. We'd better do something about it.'
*rest of Parliament is rolling around on the floor in laughter*
'Schicklgruber!' :p

Ah, he's an evil man, but he's got a funny surname, so we can take the piss!

Sings (to the 'Bridge on the River Kwai' march...you know it!):

Colonel Bogey

This one phrase sums up Hitler.

"He was insane!"

That is ALL you need to know.


quite sad really that such a man insane as you said it, understood democracy, its weaknesses and the people as a mass better than any other human being ever. there isnt a single politician alive that doesnt use an idea of A.H's