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The following (http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD105305) are excerpts from a TV discussion with Iranian political analysts Dr. Hasan Hanizadeh(1) and Dr. Ali-Reza Akbari, which aired on Jaam-e Jam 2 TV on December 20, 2005. The discussion began with the subject of the denial of the existence of crematoria at Auschwitz, and went on to explain in detail how Jewish rabbis in Europe used to kill children and take their blood for use during the Passover holiday.

Ali-Reza Akbari: "...Perhaps the reason... In my opinion, the people who say that the phenomenon of burning Jews on German soil during the World War II crisis is similar to a holocaust do so as a result of propaganda and due to psychological reasons. (Translation: anyone who believes in the Holocaust is crazy or brainwashed- W.)

..."In any event, a case of burning people has been registered in history, when many human beings were burned because of their beliefs. The people who were burned then were, in fact, Christians. They were burned by the people who ruled Yemen, who were Jews. This event took place 400 years before the advent of Islam in the Arabian Peninsula. Since then, the burning of human beings has been termed 'holocaust.'" (Now that is the kind of "discovery" that would puzzle both the linguists and the historians... unless they were Iranian, I suppose:rolleyes: )

Host: "Were there six million Jews at all at that time, who could have been annihilated in the crematoria?"

Hasan Hanizadeh: "First of all, this figure is greatly exaggerated. The number of Jews in the world does not exceed 12 million. Only now, 57 years later, has it reached this figure. Clearly, at that time, considering the dispersion of the Jews, there could not have been six million Jews in Europe alone. (Could the number of Jews today be so low because...oh I don't know... because lost of Jews were killed 57 years ago? But hey, this guy is a politican analyst, it's not like logic should be in his job description.)

..."Unfortunately, the West has forgotten two horrendous incidents, carried out by the Jews in 19th-century Europe – in Paris and London, to be precise. In 1883, about 150 French children were murdered in a horrible way in the suburbs of Paris, before the Jewish Passover holiday. Later research showed that the Jews had killed them and taken their blood. This event caused riots in Paris back then, and the French government found itself under pressure.

(I think this attempt to resurrect the Blood Libel kind of speaks for itself- but for the sake of historical and factual accuracy, I've just done an extensive Google search. The only blood libel trial in 1883 that I could find was not in Paris, but in Tiszaeszlár, Hungary, where the local Jews were accused of ritual murder of one 14 year old Christian girl. The accused were unanimously acquitted after the exhumation of the body and the thorough analysis of "witness" testimonies- which triggered riots against both the Jews and the court. In other words, the "analyst"s historical knowledge is even worse than his logic. And to think that these are the people who advice the Iranian government on foreign policy.)

I'll be the first to say:

What do you expect from Iran?

Iran seems to be getting crazier by the day. How long do you think it will be until they get so wacky that even the "Iran has every right to nuclear weapons" people will be forced to change their minds?

I'll be the first to say:

What do you expect from Iran?

I don't know about you, but I've come to expect utter truth, brutal honesty, and self-sacrificing attempts at cleansing the world from Iran.

If that needed sarcasm tags, I'm going to need to commit suicide...

I'll be the first to say:

What do you expect from Iran?
I think we should expect more from a nation that's about to develop nuclear weapons.

Yet another reason not to take someone seriously when they say "America, Britain, France and a bunch of other countries have nukes, why can't Iran have some too?"

Of course people chat this shit in the US every day. Great idea to let them have nukes...

Not that this makes me any keener on expanding the 'nuclear club'.

I'll be the first to say:

What do you expect from Iran?
*claps* That's the begining, middle and end of any debate you could have about this.

What's wrong with eating children's blood? It's quite nutritious and delicious.

Of course people chat this shit in the US every day. Great idea to let them have nukes...

Not that this makes me any keener on expanding the 'nuclear club'.
The idiots in the US who say this crap are mainly living in little cabins out in the woods and mailing out newsletters to other weirdos living in little cabins out in the woods. The people who say this crap in Iran are in the government and mainstream press. See the difference there?

You know, this is the kinda shit that makes me lose faith in humanity.

What's wrong with eating children's blood? It's quite nutritious and delicious.

There is that too. Yummy!

And contrary to popular beliefs, virgins are both less nutritious and less piquant ;)

Of course people chat this shit in the US every day. Great idea to let them have nukes...


Not political analysts on TV.

Not political analysts on TV.

That's true, Pat Robertson isn't a proper political analyst.

It's sensationalist propaganda aimed at a target audience, just like Fox. Only Busheviks would take this BS and interpret it as basic Islamic principle.

Who would expect anything besides anti-sematic crap to come from a guy who made hitler and Stalin look sane? I mean, the US has slowly been getting rid of its nukes. France is helping to build up its asshole stereotype, unless they either lack nukes or have been slowly disarming, like the US and Russia. Isreal has a good excuse to have nukes. That excuse is the hellhole between Afghanistan and Iraq.

It's sensationalist propaganda aimed at a target audience, just like Fox. Only Busheviks would take this BS and interpret it as basic Islamic principle.
It's an indication of the political climate in the country. Fox's popularity shows the swing to the right that the US has taken. Iran's president's comments and these comments on Iranian TV show how far to the insane Iran has swung.

Iran seems to be getting crazier by the day. How long do you think it will be until they get so wacky that even the "Iran has every right to nuclear weapons" people will be forced to change their minds?

Never. Because these are the same people who spent the eighties screaming that the US/UK should unilaterally disarm owing to the extreme danger inherent in a "balance of terror."

Of course, now some nutty country wants nuclear weapons, mutally assured destruction is looked upon with approval.

It's an indication of the political climate in the country. Fox's popularity shows the swing to the right that the US has taken. Iran's president's comments and these comments on Iranian TV show how far to the insane Iran has swung.

You also disingenuously overlook the fact that Iranian TV is state-controlled. Fox is an optional cable channel... even if Bush and Co. would love to make it mandatory viewing in America.

It's sensationalist propaganda aimed at a target audience, just like Fox. Only Busheviks would take this BS and interpret it as basic Islamic principle.

No, the Islamic beliefs of the nutjobs in power over there are exactly like that of the people on that show. It's a mouthpiece for the regime's violent and hateful version of Islam.

Of course people chat this shit in the US every day.
"People"?

These guys are political analyst. The guy ranting about Jews eating the blood of Christian children works for a major newspaper- the Tehran Times. He is an opinion maker, not a random guy off the street. The first guy, Alireza Akbari, is also no small figure, he is mentioned here (http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2003/09/08/2003067000) as a senior member of the Revolutionary Guards whose rank is equal to that of general and who was deputy defense minister until two months ago. That's an equivalent of Colin Powell "chatting this shit".

Iran seems to be getting crazier by the day. How long do you think it will be until they get so wacky that even the "Iran has every right to nuclear weapons" people will be forced to change their minds?

those morons will never be happy till jerusalem is a soldering pit.

Of course people chat this shit in the US every day. Great idea to let them have nukes...

they don't have nukes. those are fringe groups. this is a press release from the government of iran.

It's sensationalist propaganda aimed at a target audience, just like Fox. Only Busheviks would take this BS and interpret it as basic Islamic principle.

though hate is not an islamic practice, it is clearly one of iran. therefore this argument doesn't reallymmake sense.

You also disingenuously overlook the fact that Iranian TV is state-controlled. Fox is an optional cable channel... even if Bush and Co. would love to make it mandatory viewing in America.
Yep. I intentionally didn't mention that Iran has state run TV. It's absolutely not possible that I didn't think about that because I'm used to living in a free country. It was clearly an attempt at deception.

though hate is not an islamic practice, it is clearly one of iran. therefore this argument doesn't reallymmake sense.

Actually it does considering how most American critics of Iran and even some of the people in charge of the nation's defense and security policies have a habit of extrapolating extremist actions and beliefs onto Muslims as a whole. Ask Keruvalia(?) for a first-person testimonial on this sad state of affairs.

Civilized nations sometimes elect insane leaders, it happen before and it will happen again. Funny, this guy (Iranian president) makes Bush look sane, and I'm sure Bush has crazy (dangerous) ideas only he's smart enough not to share it with the world.

Civilized nations sometimes elect insane leaders, it happen before and it will happen again. Funny, this guy (Iranian president) makes Bush look sane, and I'm sure Bush has crazy (dangerous) ideas only he's smart enough not to share it with the world.

If you think the Iranian president is sane compared to Bush, then you don't know the first thing about him. Iran is not a civilized nation when it stones women and homosexuals to death, harasses if not outright murders Jews and Christians, burns books and bans independent thought. Nor is it civilized when it promotes the murder of innocent people and tries to spread a message of hate worldwide.

It's people may be civilized, but the nation is not be any stretch.

If you think the Iranian president is sane compared to Bush, then you don't know the first thing about him. Iran is not a civilized nation when it stones women and homosexuals to death, harasses if not outright murders Jews and Christians, burns books and bans independent thought. Nor is it civilized when it promotes the murder of innocent people and tries to spread a message of hate worldwide.

It's people may be civilized, but the nation is not be any stretch.

Maybe you should read that post again.

What is a nation but the people?

How do you mean civilized?

Maybe you should read that post again.
What is a nation but the people?

Sometimes, the people have no control over what is committed by their leaders. A totalitarian regime can very easily be unreflective of the values and ideals of a people, and that seems to be the situation in Iran.

How do you mean civilized?

Civilized as in respecting human rights, scientific progress, acceptance of other religions by the government, free speech and open elections, etc. The world's modern democracies (North America, Europe, Japan, and similar nations) are civilized, for example.

If that needed sarcasm tags, I'm going to need to commit suicide...

Why? I'd think homicide would be a far more productive response...

those morons will never be happy till jerusalem is a soldering pit.
Yeah! Damn that Dome of the Rock! Who gives a shit about where Mohammed left earth!

Seriously though: I think this regime has probably lost its right to exist.

I respect a country's right to have any leader it wishes, and particularly so if he/she is democratically elected. If Netanyahu was elected in Israel, I would respect that too (regardless of how harmful it may be).

But every leadership has to adhere to some basic rules of how to conduct itself. I realise that these guys are not actually members of the government, but it's been made pretty clear that the government doesn't think any differently. Even for propaganda purposes, some things are just out of line - and IMHO this is.

That does not mean we need to start a war now, considering that it would just bring more suffering than even these words can bring...but it does mean that if there is a chance to put the right sort of pressure on Iran to change its ways, we should do it.

I am very disappointed with this Iranian government.

Why? I'd think homicide would be a far more productive response...
I've always thought the same. Why kill yourself? It's the other bastards who are making your life difficult... kill THEM! :eek:

Much more fun. :D

Iran seems to be getting crazier by the day. How long do you think it will be until they get so wacky that even the "Iran has every right to nuclear weapons" people will be forced to change their minds?

This is nothing new. Amongst certain segments of the greater Middle East, the blood libel - originally of European conception - has long been passed off as "scientific fact."