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Women in combat. You GO, girl! [ MAJOR high fives ]

Eutrusca
21-12-2005, 15:08
COMMENTARY: I fervently believe that any woman who has the physical and mental capability to be in combat and who desires to be, should be allowed to do so. Man, I wouldn't wanna run into some of these warrior women in a dark alley! Heh!


Female soldiers relishing action
in combat operations south of Baghdad (http://www.military.com/earlybrief/0,,,00.html)


By Anita Powell, Stars and Stripes
Mideast edition, Wednesday, December 21, 2005

FORWARD OPERATING BASE STRIKER, Iraq — They’re not your average infantrymen.

To begin with, they’re not men.

But the women soldiers of Company F, 526th Brigade Support Battalion work shoulder-to-shoulder with their male counterparts, conducting regular raids and operations in the grisly, insurgent-heavy area south of Baghdad.

Since arriving in Iraq in October, the women, whose battalion is part of the 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 101st Airborne Division of Fort Campbell, Ky., have begun accompanying infantry soldiers on raids and missions. The intent, said company commander Capt. Alexander Garcia, is so women soldiers can perform searches on women at the scene.

But, he said, the women have seen a little more action than they bargained for — a point he mentions with pride.

“They’re doing very good,” he said. “One is being put in for a [Combat Action Badge]. She has seen more action than a male.”

Company 1st Sgt. Jimmy Dennis says the decision to send women soldiers into combat — a fairly new, and historically controversial, idea — has been embraced by women in the unit.

“Our females are one of the first ones to go in side by side with combat soldiers,” he said. “We have yet to have a female say ‘I don’t want to go. …’ This is my first unit with females. I think they’ve done an outstanding job. They’re pulling their own weight. I have them arguing about who’s going to go next.”

The Pentagon dismisses the notion that such missions contradict its stated policy of not having women in combat roles.

“All of Iraq is dangerous. But women soldiers are not utilized as front-line troops, particularly for offensive actions. We can tell the difference between sending combat troops into close combat (women soldiers did not lead assaults into Fallujah) and having troops encounter a combat situation during routine operations,” Army spokeswoman Lt. Col. Pamela L. Hart wrote in an e-mail response to questions.

“We have a lot of females who are really hard-core,” Dennis said with a smile.

Two such soldiers, Pfc. Phillisha Darby, 24, and Pfc. De’Cassalyn Sanford, 26, say they have relished their experiences.

“I think every female [ soldier ] should get that experience,” said Darby, a former professional heavyweight boxer from South Philadelphia. “I think everybody should get a chance to get that experience.”

During her mission, she said, “They treated me like one of the guys. The first sergeant out there knew me, so he knew I could hold my own, that I was a pretty tough female.”

Both soldiers have been nominated for the Combat Action Badge, given to those who personally engage with or are engaged by the enemy during a combat operation.

“It’s not like I went out there and did anything special,” said Sanford, a native of Houston’s Fifth Ward.

Sanford said that she did find, however, that her skills came in handy on the battlefield.

“The male [soldier] who was out there helping me interview [a detained woman] wasn’t catching as many things as I was,” she said. “I guess that’s women’s instinct or something.”

The two have also had precious insight into a well-hidden corner of Iraqi society: the inner lives of its women.

“One lady said she wanted a divorce because her husband beat her,” Sanford said. “She had to marry this guy. But she was hiding this man. Eventually she said, ‘I hope you catch him and kill him.’”

Both said that their presence was initially jarring — both to Iraqis and to their fellow Americans.

“The [Iraqi] men were afraid of me,” Darby said. “The people in the village wouldn’t even look at me. They weren’t used to a woman having so much power.”

As for the women, “When I came into the room, they looked at me like I was going to get them,” she said. “I had to take off my Kevlar, let them touch my hair.”

Sanford, between fits of laughter, relayed her accidental run-in with a soldier having a private moment during a mission.

“I saw a guy out there [urinating] in the bushes, and I said, ‘Don’t forget to flush.’ And he said, ‘What the —?’ I guess he wasn’t expecting to see me out there.”

In the future, she said, she hopes her presence on the front lines will be better received.

“I am infantry,” she said. “If you were to question us females in Foxtrot Company, nine out of 10 of us would say we’re an infantry company.”
Droskianishk
21-12-2005, 15:25
Its not that women don't have the capacity or the ability, I don't think thats been the rational argument that was ever made. The major argument is that in some foreign nations (mostly muslim nations), if women were captured they would be raped and tortured far more then men, and men can't control their sexual urges and may get distracted.
Eutrusca
21-12-2005, 15:27
Its not that women don't have the capacity or the ability, I don't think thats been the rational argument that was ever made. The major argument is that in some foreign nations (mostly muslim nations), if women were captured they would be raped and tortured far more then men, and men can't control their sexual urges and may get distracted.
Apparently, these women cope with that. And what's to prevent a male soldier from being raped as well?

The fact that some men can't seem to control themselves is no reason to prohibit women from serving, IMHO. That's like saying that women shouldn't wear what they want to wear if it arouses men. Specious.
Droskianishk
21-12-2005, 15:32
Well the fact that in those same foreign countries that would rape women (again for the most part muslim) homosexuality is a crime punishable by death, and for a woman to rape a man in those countries would be unthinkable for them to allow.

Your argument about men needing more self control is good except for the fact that men make up a larger portion (and probably always will) of the frontline fighting force then women, so sacrifice the few so that you'll still have the majority in good fighting fit (Mentally) condition.
Dessimation
21-12-2005, 15:37
Looks, its not women in combat that is the problem. It is the men that will be there also that will create the problem.
Heavenly Sex
21-12-2005, 15:38
That's certainly a good progress! Women should be treated no different than men.
I wouldn't have thought they'd allow stuff like this.
Auranai
21-12-2005, 15:40
I am a female USAF veteran. There are some pressing arguments for same-sex combat units, and there simply aren't enough women who volunteer for such roles to create all-female combat units. That said, we can't very well go sashaying through Iraq advocating democracy with one hand, and oppress half of our own population with the other. Any woman who wishes to perform that duty, and can meet all the requirements, should be permitted to do so as long as there is a position available for her.
Amtray
21-12-2005, 15:47
Women in combat are very effective.Witness the 'Black Widdows' in Chechnya, female bombers from Palastine, the French resistance during WW2, women of the Viet Cong.
Eutrusca
21-12-2005, 15:49
I am a female USAF veteran. There are some pressing arguments for same-sex combat units, and there simply aren't enough women who volunteer for such roles to create all-female combat units. That said, we can't very well go sashaying through Iraq advocating democracy with one hand, and oppress half of our own population with the other. Any woman who wishes to perform that duty, and can meet all the requirements, should be permitted to do so as long as there is a position available for her.
Well said! :)

Thank you for your service, my sister! :fluffle:
Eutrusca
21-12-2005, 15:49
Women in combat are very effective.Witness the 'Black Widdows' in Chechnya, female bombers from Palastine, the French resistance during WW2, women of the Viet Cong.
Not to mention the Israelis!
Evil marshmellows
21-12-2005, 15:51
Women can fight......! No matter what we have a part in our country ,too.
Amtray
21-12-2005, 15:51
Not to mention the Israelis!
Very ture.Extremly good.Know a few who served their time with the IDF and I sure as hell wouldn't mess with them.
Evil marshmellows
21-12-2005, 15:55
What bugs me is that guys treat us like we cant fight. Not always but alot.:(
Cute little girls
21-12-2005, 16:00
I think women shouldn't be allowed in the military






and neither should men

EDIT: however, they can join resistance groups, that would be okay
Auranai
21-12-2005, 16:00
What bugs me is that guys treat us like we cant fight. Not always but alot.:(

LOL! Ask any married guy whether women can fight! :D

I wouldn't want to be a Taleban fighter facing an infantrywoman with PMS.

:mp5:
Eutrusca
21-12-2005, 16:01
What bugs me is that guys treat us like we cant fight. Not always but alot.:(
I'm sincerely sorry about that. On behalf of my entire sex, I apologize. :(

When I was on Okinawa, training to go to Vietnam as a counterinsurgency team commander, I was taking Aikido lessons. One lil gal, about 1/2 my size, was my opponent in four matches, two of which I lost. Man, talk about fast! Whew! :D
Eutrusca
21-12-2005, 16:03
I think women shouldn't be allowed in the military

and neither should men

EDIT: however, they can join resistance groups, that would be okay
Unfortunately, we don't live in that sort of world. There are people out there who will happily make you real dead. Until such time as the hearts of men are reformed, the military will have a steady job.
Eutrusca
21-12-2005, 16:05
LOL! Ask any married guy whether women can fight! :D

I wouldn't want to be a Taleban fighter facing an infantrywoman with PMS.
LOL! Hells no! Me either! OMG! :D
Eutrusca
21-12-2005, 16:06
God, I love warrior women! Most of them are really good in bed too! :D
Cute little girls
21-12-2005, 16:06
Unfortunately, we don't live in that sort of world. There are people out there who will happily make you real dead. Until such time as the hearts of men are reformed, the military will have a steady job.

:(
Eutrusca
21-12-2005, 16:11
:(
Work on it. I would love nothing more than to see my former job become obsolete. :fluffle:
Evil marshmellows
21-12-2005, 16:15
LOL! Ask any married guy whether women can fight! :D

I wouldn't want to be a Taleban fighter facing an infantrywoman with PMS.

:mp5:
Yeah i know.........
Evil marshmellows
21-12-2005, 16:21
I'm sincerely sorry about that. On behalf of my entire sex, I apologize. :(

When I was on Okinawa, training to go to Vietnam as a counterinsurgency team commander, I was taking Aikido lessons. One lil gal, about 1/2 my size, was my opponent in four matches, two of which I lost. Man, talk about fast! Whew! :D

You cant say sorry for all the men can you
Eutrusca
21-12-2005, 16:22
You cant say sorry for all the men can you
Uh ... I thought I just did! :confused:

Now, whether or not I can do so and make it stick is another thing entirely. :)
Evil marshmellows
21-12-2005, 16:25
Uh ... I thought I just did! :confused:

Now, whether or not I can do so and make it stick is another thing entirely. :)
Thats true thats very true
Eutrusca
21-12-2005, 16:35
Thats true thats very true
Glad you approve. [ looks relieved ] :D
Thane of greenville
21-12-2005, 16:45
I think to have a really good military women should be included, being foils for eachother. Sometimes testorsterone can get in the way of clear thinking.

joining the navy..
Qwystyria
21-12-2005, 16:57
I was in an invitation-only very competitive karate tournament the year I was 16. My division was the advanced 16-17 year old division. There was a limit of 16 people per division, since we were in a major sports stadium and had limited time, and famous people judging and things. I was the only girl, and one of only two red belts among 14 other male black belts, most of whom had several degrees. I figured I had no chance... except that I really WANTED to win. I ended up with 4th place, in a close match for third. I left the ring rapidly afterwards due to the discontent mutterings about how it wasn't fair that a lower-ranked girl had placed and they hadn't. Well, if they wanted to place, they should've won their matches. That simple.

Just like that, women can be in the military. They're better at it than some men are. Not all men like it, because of the way society teaches them women should be inferior... maybe not as inferior as in, say, Iraq, but inferior nonetheless. What they'd better do is learn to deal with it, and fast. Some women are better suited to the military than most men. They should do it. They DO do it, and more power to them! I'm proud to be represented by them.
Syniks
21-12-2005, 17:21
Go Vasquez! Go Vasquez! :D


http://www.yankeepotroast.org/images/vasquezaliens.jpg :fluffle:
Eutrusca
21-12-2005, 17:41
I think to have a really good military women should be included, being foils for eachother. Sometimes testorsterone can get in the way of clear thinking.

joining the navy..
Kewl! [ cheers wildly ] :)
Eutrusca
21-12-2005, 17:42
I was in an invitation-only very competitive karate tournament the year I was 16. My division was the advanced 16-17 year old division. There was a limit of 16 people per division, since we were in a major sports stadium and had limited time, and famous people judging and things. I was the only girl, and one of only two red belts among 14 other male black belts, most of whom had several degrees. I figured I had no chance... except that I really WANTED to win. I ended up with 4th place, in a close match for third. I left the ring rapidly afterwards due to the discontent mutterings about how it wasn't fair that a lower-ranked girl had placed and they hadn't. Well, if they wanted to place, they should've won their matches. That simple.

Just like that, women can be in the military. They're better at it than some men are. Not all men like it, because of the way society teaches them women should be inferior... maybe not as inferior as in, say, Iraq, but inferior nonetheless. What they'd better do is learn to deal with it, and fast. Some women are better suited to the military than most men. They should do it. They DO do it, and more power to them! I'm proud to be represented by them.
[ mega-high-fives! ] YOU I like! :D
Eutrusca
21-12-2005, 17:43
Go Vasquez! Go Vasquez! :D

http://www.yankeepotroast.org/images/vasquezaliens.jpg :fluffle:
HELLS yeah! That lil lady kicked MAJOR ass! :D
Vessaly
21-12-2005, 18:09
Women in a combat force is fine, but the underlying reasons for restricting womens role in combat through history has been primarily because of the following.

In a given population/culture/society/tribe, the death of one woman has a far greater impact than the death of several men on the population. It takes all sorts of women to make a stable population, but not very many men by comparison.

Men are usually physically stronger, more aggressive, and more willing to fight especially as the attacker/aggressor. Wars usually aren't started without an aggressor of somesort, and women usually aren't the ones to make that first step.

Early civilizations and tribes were often at war, so a mans strength and agression was valued, and women were viewed as weak by comparision. Plus, they needed to tend the home and raise the children, because most men didn't participate very much in family life this way.

I'm not really trying to prove a point with this post, but imagine if half the soldiers who fought and died in Vietnam were women. Over 58,000 U.S. troops were classified as KIA or MIA. I suspect death of that many women would have caused a noticeable change poplulation growth rates during and after the Vietnam War. Just a bit of food for though, women in the military is great, but all things should be taken in moderation.
Fenland Friends
21-12-2005, 18:16
HELLS yeah! That lil lady kicked MAJOR ass! :D

No she didn't-she got slapped all over the pace by a female alien...hmmm....
Hoos Bandoland
21-12-2005, 18:24
Any woman who wants to take my place in combat is more than welcome to do so. :)