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Every now and then, I'd hear some Christian fundy who recites a passage from the Old Testament as a reason for him hating gays/blacks/slavery etc. etc. Whatever, However, in the New Testament it says this.

The Greatest Commandment
34Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question:

36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'[b] 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[c] 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

28One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, "Of all the commandments, which is the most important?"

29"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.[e] 30Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.'[f] 31The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[g]There is no commandment greater than these."

32"Well said, teacher," the man replied. "You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him. 33To love him with all your heart, with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices."

34When Jesus saw that he had answered wisely, he said to him, "You are not far from the kingdom of God." And from then on no one dared ask him any more questions.

Jesus basically proclaim that his words, and his actions and views on things is the new law, that we shouldn't follow the laws of the Old Testament anymore. If that is the case then why do some people still follow the law written in the Old Testament?

If that is the case then why do some people still follow the law written in the Old Testament?
Assuming by "people" you mean "Christians". There is the matter of Matthew 5:18:
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.
The Old Testament remains a guide for Christians, though it should never be used to justify any unjust hatred or other sin.

Assuming by "people" you mean "Christians". There is the matter of Matthew 5:18:

The Old Testament remains a guide for Christians, though it should never be used to justify any unjust hatred or other sin.

Hmmm, thanks for clearing that up.

Jesus basically proclaim that his words, and his actions and views on things is the new law, that we shouldn't follow the laws of the Old Testament anymore. If that is the case then why do some people still follow the law written in the Old Testament?

I think Forrest Gump was right about one thing: Life is like a box of chocolates. Not because you never know what you're gonna get, but because people like to pick and choose from the box, and often it's the poor little Turkish Delight that gets left behind - at least in my house. Every so often a rare individual comes along who likes every single chocolate in the box, and won't touch another chocolate brand.

The way I see it, religion is like a box of chocolates. People pick and choose which teachings to follow, which to ignore, and which to label as antiquated or obsolete.

I suppose that would make religion more of a system of ethics and morals than a guided plan to life.

Hmmm, thanks for clearing that up.

Matthew 5:18 is the excuse. It doesn't quite explain away the contradiction with other things Jesus said.

Noteworthy is that almost no, if any, Christians actually follow every law of the OT. They tend to pick and choose.

Matthew 5:18 is the excuse. It doesn't quite explain away the contradiction with other things Jesus said.

Noteworthy is that almost no, if any, Christians actually follow every law of the OT. They tend to pick and choose.

Well Jesus said that the two most important rule is this

28One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, "Of all the commandments, which is the most important?"

29"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.[e] 30Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.'[f] 31The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[g]There is no commandment greater than these."

I tend to hold those two rules above all other rules of the OT.

People of a written faith, will use that faith to further justify thier own hatreds and prejudices.
They will look for a bible passage that MIGHT mean something, and instantly assume "God is on thier side".

Christians, for example will quote Leviticus as the bottom line for judging gays.

However, Leviticus also goes on to explain that if you rape an umarried, but engaged woman, she should be scourged, and not killed.
As where at other times, death is appriopriate for the VICTIM, because she has been "sullied".

Its picking and choosing.

"I like this statement, and not ther other one, so I'll conveiniently ignore the latter."

Every single Christian who argues and condemns homosexuals for thier actions, also forgets "Judge not, lest ye be judged yourself."

So, the next time you say that gays are going to Hell, wait till your daughter gets raped, and scourge the ever-loving piss out of her for it.
Its what God wants after all.

The way I see it, religion is like a box of chocolates. People pick and choose which teachings to follow, which to ignore, and which to label as antiquated or obsolete.

I'm completely with you on that one.

So, the next time you say that gays are going to Hell, wait till your daughter gets raped, and scourge the ever-loving piss out of her for it.
Its what God wants after all.

But was your daughter engaged?

And is it legal to purchase slaves from Tasmania, since I won't understand a word any Kiwi ones say?

But was your daughter engaged?

And is it legal to purchase slaves from Tasmania, since I won't understand a word any Kiwi ones say?


Ahh!

I see you've read Leviticus too!

The problem with a renounced Catholic upbringing is that I know plenty of passages to use as ammunition against bad arguments.

But I still want my slaves, and perhaps a few goats.

And I'm rather worried by the fact that I own no pigeons or turtles.

The problem with a renounced Catholic upbringing is that I know plenty of passages to use as ammunition against bad arguments.


Hmm..Im not seeing any problem.

Heh.

why do "we" follow any religious "laws"? It's just a fairytale made up by a bunch of drunk people a couple thousand years ago.

BS (;)), did you see this thread?

why do "we" follow any religious "laws"? It's just a fairytale made up by a bunch of drunk people a couple thousand years ago.

I'm not so sure Revelations was alcohol. It sounds like pot to me.

Noteworthy is that almost no, if any, Christians actually follow every law of the OT. They tend to pick and choose.

I think that would be impossible, what with the Romans having torn down the big temple.

Matthew 5:18 is the excuse. It doesn't quite explain away the contradiction with other things Jesus said.

Noteworthy is that almost no, if any, Christians actually follow every law of the OT. They tend to pick and choose.


The Old Testament is still valid and useful today and yes most Christians who really want to serve and obey God do follow the Old Testament just as much as the Old Testament. Remember the 10 Commandments are found in the OT. But with that, Judaism is the faith that usually follows the OT more than anyone else cause they don't believe that Jesus Christ was the Messiah. Most Christians do look to the NT for guidance on how to be Christians and follow the teachings of the Messiah Jesus Christ, but that doesn't mean that we should not disregard the OT for guidance or teaching as well.

I think that would be impossible, what with the Romans having torn down the big temple.

:D

The Old Testament is still valid and useful today and yes most Christians who really want to serve and obey God do follow the Old Testament just as much as the Old Testament. Remember the 10 Commandments are found in the OT. But with that, Judaism is the faith that usually follows the OT more than anyone else cause they don't believe that Jesus Christ was the Messiah. Most Christians do look to the NT for guidance on how to be Christians and follow the teachings of the Messiah Jesus Christ, but that doesn't mean that we should not disregard the OT for guidance or teaching as well.

So, do you follow the rules of Leviticus?

So, do you follow the rules of Leviticus?

Nup, they can exempt Leviticus by claiming the 'most' card, and stating that no-one follows Revelations.

More importantly, does anyone want to be my slave?

Jesus basically proclaim that his words, and his actions and views on things is the new law, that we shouldn't follow the laws of the Old Testament anymore. If that is the case then why do some people still follow the law written in the Old Testament?[/QUOTE]


BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE STUPID THATS WHY:sniper:

I'm not so sure Revelations was alcohol. It sounds like pot to me.

Amen. I can see it now, "Hey, man, ya know what'd be cool..." :D

Amen. I can see it now, "Hey, man, ya know what'd be cool..." :D

Heh. Heh, heh.

Heeheeheee!

Because these Laws are Generally Stable and many fundamental laws were created by Hammurabi or something/someone.

Every now and then, I'd hear some Christian fundy who recites a passage <snip>

That's what this thread is all about right? Not morals or laws, but your crusade (take whatever pun you want out of that)/rant against religious people.

A majority of the OT "rules" have solid moral foundation and still apply today. Apart from that, they form the basis for about 4 billion people's moral/legal values (Islam, Judaism and Christianity all take stuff/acknowledge stuff from the OT)

That's what this thread is all about right? Not morals or laws, but your crusade (take whatever pun you want out of that)/rant against religious people.
Uh, I think Stone is one of us religious people.