NationStates Jolt Archive


I Am a Walking Contradiction

Ashkenazi Jewry
21-12-2005, 00:18
I am Jewish, yet I am a Republican, yet I am a moderate Republican.

What the hell.

Being Jewish and a little bit to the right is bad enough, but what do you do when you're too far right for the Democrats, but too far left for the Republicans?

And don't say "become a Libertarian" or "follow Arlen Specter's lead." I don't feel like throwing my vote away, and I don't want to be one of the biggest assholes on Capitol Hill.

Ok. I like Specter's politics, but that's about it. Once I met him and shook his hand. I said, "Senator Specter, it's an honor to meet you." His reponse: "Yes, yes!" as if he were saying "Why son, if I met myself I too would be honored."

Anyway. Yeah. I'm not a crazy right-wing extremist Jerry Falwell-esque Republican, but merely a soft, moderate, John McCain-like conservative who only strays a little bit over the centrist line.

I'm not sure what the point of this thread is, but I just felt like saying this.
The Chocolate Goddess
21-12-2005, 00:20
Hey... I was accused of that today! Coincidence?!!
Drunk commies deleted
21-12-2005, 00:20
Yeah, well my economic ideas are alot more left than the Democrats, and my foreign policy ideas are more neocon than the Republicans. I'm just screwed.
Bolol
21-12-2005, 00:21
Relax. We don't have enough moderates in the world nowadays, we need as many as we can get.
Ashkenazi Jewry
21-12-2005, 00:22
Yeah, well my economic ideas are alot more left than the Democrats, and my foreign policy ideas are more neocon than the Republicans. I'm just screwed.

That would make you authoritarian.

As for me, I'm a fiscal conservative and a social moderate.
Myrmidonisia
21-12-2005, 00:26
I am Jewish, yet I am a Republican, yet I am a moderate Republican.

What the hell.

Being Jewish and a little bit to the right is bad enough, but what do you do when you're too far right for the Democrats, but too far left for the Republicans?

And don't say "become a Libertarian" or "follow Arlen Specter's lead." I don't feel like throwing my vote away, and I don't want to be one of the biggest assholes on Capitol Hill.

Ok. I like Specter's politics, but that's about it. Once I met him and shook his hand. I said, "Senator Specter, it's an honor to meet you." His reponse: "Yes, yes!" as if he were saying "Why son, if I met myself I too would be honored."

Anyway. Yeah. I'm not a crazy right-wing extremist Jerry Falwell-esque Republican, but merely a soft, moderate, John McCain-like conservative who only strays a little bit over the centrist line.

I'm not sure what the point of this thread is, but I just felt like saying this.
Sounds like you need to move to Connecticut and try to persuade Joe Lieberman to join the GOP.
Drunk commies deleted
21-12-2005, 00:27
That would make you authoritarian.

As for me, I'm a fiscal conservative and a social moderate.
Do many authoritarians believe in legalizing, regulating, and taxing drugs? How about allowing gay marriage and equal rights for all? I didn't think authoritarians would allow that crap.
Pergamor
21-12-2005, 00:28
Being Jewish and a little bit to the right is bad enough, but what do you do when you're too far right for the Democrats, but too far left for the Republicans?
Ah, the joys of the two-party system... But what's being Jewish have to do with it?
Ashkenazi Jewry
21-12-2005, 00:29
Do many authoritarians believe in legalizing, regulating, and taxing drugs? How about allowing gay marriage and equal rights for all? I didn't think authoritarians would allow that crap.

Authoritarians are basicaly extreme leftists when it comes to the economy and right-wing nutjobs when it comes to personal freedoms.

That was only my guess based on the very vague description with which you assigned yourself.
Ashkenazi Jewry
21-12-2005, 00:30
Ah, the joys of the two-party system... But what's being Jewish have to do with it?

Jews are overwhelmingly liberal.
Ashkenazi Jewry
21-12-2005, 00:31
Sounds like you need to move to Connecticut and try to persuade Joe Lieberman to join the GOP.

Liberman COULD have gone either way, but he decided that it was easier to be a centrist Democrat than a moderate Republican.

(PS, sorry for the triple postage.)
Czardas
21-12-2005, 00:51
Ah, the wonderful world of stereotypes.
Pergamor
21-12-2005, 00:58
Jews are overwhelmingly liberal.
With regard to Czardas' post, I'm hoping your vote isn't determined by peer pressure? ;)
Sheni
21-12-2005, 01:46
Actually, most Jews I know are Republicans. It's not that extremely to the right, but it is there. Probably because the right supports Israel. (or at least, more then liberals do) Don't get me wrong on this, I'm a democrat too, although a moderate-leaning democrat.
New Genoa
21-12-2005, 02:08
If you don't want to become libertarian, you could always join the Republican Liberty Caucus!;)
The Magyar Peoples
21-12-2005, 02:09
I am a walking goldleaf parsnip.
Soheran
21-12-2005, 02:14
Actually, most Jews I know are Republicans. It's not that extremely to the right, but it is there. Probably because the right supports Israel. (or at least, more then liberals do) Don't get me wrong on this, I'm a democrat too, although a moderate-leaning democrat.

The statistics indicate that a large majority of Jews prefer the Democrats to the Republicans.

Recently the neoconservatives have made intense efforts to convert the pro-Likud crowd to their banner (though the Democrats tend to back Israeli policy just as strongly), and an element of that may have been present in 2004, when the Jewish vote for Bush was considerably higher than 2000.
Breitenburg
21-12-2005, 02:20
Walking Contradiction...that's a Green Day song! Nothing wrong with being a little diffrent though.
Ashkenazi Jewry
21-12-2005, 22:12
The statistics indicate that a large majority of Jews prefer the Democrats to the Republicans.

Recently the neoconservatives have made intense efforts to convert the pro-Likud crowd to their banner (though the Democrats tend to back Israeli policy just as strongly), and an element of that may have been present in 2004, when the Jewish vote for Bush was considerably higher than 2000.

The far left detests Israel, while the far right embraces the Jewish state (not that I'm a fan of the far right).
Eruantalon
21-12-2005, 22:24
Authoritarians are basicaly extreme leftists when it comes to the economy and right-wing nutjobs when it comes to personal freedoms.

That was only my guess based on the very vague description with which you assigned yourself.
My political views align pretty closely with those of Drunk Commies. I personally am sick and tired of how so many young "leftists" have abandoned ideas like gender equality and human rights in favour of cultural relativism and faint-hearts.
Soheran
21-12-2005, 22:24
The far left detests Israel, while the far right embraces the Jewish state (not that I'm a fan of the far right).

As a member of the "far left," I think you are misreading the situation slightly.

Firstly, the radical left is by no means united, it is easily among the most sectarian political areas on the spectrum. There are Marxists (typically Trotskyists) in organizations with Old Left roots who support the Iraq War and the Israeli Occupation. Some people of this sort, after moving somewhat to the right, are currently in the Department of Defense (Paul Wolfowitz etc.).

Secondly, the really extreme leftists would regard the position of "detesting" or "supporting" Israel to be an irrelevancy, as nationalist conflicts are seen as distractions from the real conflict, the class struggle. They are adamant about the rights and welfare of the Israeli working class, currently being abused and exploited, and while they might not care much for the Israeli government, and certainly not for its policy in the Occupied Territories, they strongly "support Israel" in the most meaningful sense - support for the welfare of its people.

There is a very great deal of distaste for the Israeli treatment of the Palestinian people on the Left in general, there is no serious doubt as to that. Without an effective explanation of what is meant by "Israel," I do not know if the fierce opposition to this policy amounts to "detesting Israel" or not.
Eruantalon
21-12-2005, 22:27
The far left detests Israel, while the far right embraces the Jewish state (not that I'm a fan of the far right).
I thought the far right hated Israel because Jews live there. The far left hates Israel because well... Jews defend their ability to live there. Actually not a lot of difference is it?