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Sometime around 2010 to 2020 would be the most likely.

Israel bombs an Iranian power plant like they did to Iraq once. Iran finally has a reason to declare war and does. Syria backs them up and then the US jumps in to protect Israel. China declares war on the US as it has wanted to for a few years. Russia also backs up Iran. North Korea sees the US is distracted and invades South Korea to reunite. Somewhere in this Britain would support the US. And Pakistan might support Israel.

I can't fit France, Germany, the EU, or any other Middle East nations(although some would probably support Iran).

Israel, US, Britain, South Korea (Pakistan)
vs.
Iran, Syria, China, Russia, and North Korea

Does anyone think this could happen if Israel did that. It is sort of like WW1 in the beginning:
Israel-Serbia
Iran-Austria-Hungary
Syria/China-Germany
US-Russia

This not an RPG, but I will go make one in II.

China doesn't necessarily want to go to war with the US, though. They've had a fair few excuses to do so before now.

This reminds me of that snl parody "the proposterous situation room". Honestly, the likelihood that ALL those things would happen as a result is, well, next to none.
My bad, that was the HYPOTHETICAL situation room, by Jon Stewart, not SNL.

Why would China want to wage war on us? We're outsourcing EVERYTHING their way, it would only hurt them...

It could happen. It probably won't, but if Israel did do that would it not follow almost exactly?

Shhhhhhhh! Or you'll give the Bush-man ideas :p ;)

Sometime around 2010 to 2020 would be the most likely.

Israel bombs an Iranian power plant like they did to Iraq once. Iran finally has a reason to declare war and does. Syria backs them up and then the US jumps in to protect Israel. China declares war on the US as it has wanted to for a few years. Russia also backs up Iran. North Korea sees the US is distracted and invades South Korea to reunite. Somewhere in this Britain would support the US. And Pakistan might support Israel.

Severe flaws in the scenario. China won't attack US unless it involves a military action in the Chinese sphere of influence. Russia will settle for its pound of flesh. They can care less about Iranians for the right price.

Pakistan won't be supporting Israel. This is the most absurd piece. Pakistani pilots flew against Israelis for Jordan during one of the Arab-Israeli wars. Pakistan maintains a force (dunno size) to protect the royal family. Pakistani nukes were funded by KSA.

If you really want a good scenario, start with this.

Nukes go off in Israel, US and India. Al-Qaeda and all and sundry claim credit. Ahmedinejad, Kim Jong, Chavez chime in. Al-Jazeera broadcasts a video where Osama promises to detonate more. Radiation signature lead to Pakistan which in turn leads to the original source China.

The Iraqi President is assassinated and sunnis up the ante. Iran steps in with their militias and Kurds declare Kurdistan with regions including Kurdish regions of Turkey, Iran and Iraq.

With New Delhi taking a hit, India prepares to invade Pakistan and Musharraf threatens nukes. China has a treaty with Pakistan that obligates them to protect Pakistan's territorial integrity and sovereignity, so India expects China to step in.

To counter this India asks Dalai Lama to declare a free Tibet and asks for the support of US to liberate Tibet and ally with a sister democracy India against the dictatorships of Pakistan and China.

I think this would be a good scenario..what do y'all think?

It won't happen, neither China nor Russia would support Iran, espescially not against America. Additionally america will probably attack Iran before Israel has a chance.

China and Russia have ties with Iran and if China had the chance to get the US, it would. Pakistan and Israel are allies I think. They are helping each other now and Osama inc is pissed of at Musharraf. Aryavartha, yours seems less possible: nukes going off like that?

Pakistan and Israel are allies I think.

You think wrong.

One Musharraf does not make the Pakistani army and even Pakistani army does not make Pakistan.

You guys fall so easily for what is projected. Pakistan is one of the most virulently anti-jew place you can think of (although they have never had a direct exposure to jews and can claim to be victims to jew conspiracy).

I have cited many datapoints which you have completely ignored. I repeat again, Pakistan had a military force in KSA to protect the royalty. They even saw action during the shia revolt at Mecca. Pakistani nuke program was funded by KSA. Pakistani pilots flew against Israeli AF.

The current overtures are aimed at the Jewish lobby in the US rather than the Jews of Israel itself.


They are helping each other now and Osama inc is pissed of at Musharraf.

Is that why Musharraf, with his half a million man army was able to catch Osama in about 4 years...oh wait...

Aryavartha, yours seems less possible: nukes going off like that?

Well, planes flew into buildings like that.....

Well, planes flew into buildings like that.....
Still, you're not giving all these infringements on Civil Liberties much credit...;)

... Ahmedinejad, Kim Jong, Chavez chime in..

Ah, come on! He's not that bad!

How about a realistic idea?

201X, where X≥5.

Unusually large North Indian cyclone strikes Far West India. Cut off from the rest of India by rising flood waters residents are forced to move into Pakistan. I don't have to tell you that some native Muslims are not very happy about the idea of a bunch of raged Hindus coming in, and they especially aren't happy that the government is extending the olive branch. Mind you the government has become rather weak following the succession of Pervez Musharraf who had to steop down due to medical reasons about a decade before. His advisors have been engaged in political gridlock since then; the public is not very sure if the President has any power at all. It is to the point where each province is practically its own country.

During the same time, Chief Minister elections in the Sindh provence, where most of the Indian refugees are, are dominated by an anti-Indian politician angered by the Indo-philic actions of the government. Elected by a landslide he begins vying for military power. Because Sindh is the most economically powerful provence he being influencing the other provences' Chief Ministers along with military bases. In a swift coup they take Islamabad and state the leader into power. His first plan of action is turning the Indian tent-camps into killing fields. Indian forces are immediatly outraged and begin a full-frontal assault on the Sindh provence to rescue their countrymen.

China sees this as a great opportunity to get rid of their economic and political rival India whom they have been at odds with since the late 90's. China begins the greatest airial assualt since the Battle of Britian. Hour after hour planes come over the Himilayas flooding the north of India with destruction. This destracts the Indians so the Pakistani and Chinese forces can move land forces in through Kashmir in India's North-West.

The EU outraged by the genocide of Hindus declares war against the Pakistanis and Chinese. The EU has a hidden reason for coming into this war however. The EU's weak economy has been made increasingly weaker by Chinese imports.

America stands at a crossroads. To declare war against the Chinese would be economic suicide America's economy would collapse without the support of Chinese goods which make up a sizeable portion of the country's imports, and the EU stands to severly hamper this relationship. But to go against the EU and in turn go against the old allies Britian, Poland, and Italy would be very bad seeing as opposed to the previous World Wars where the enemy European nations had a buffer this time they could easily begin an assault on America's East Coast. Also, Going against Pakistan would go against everything the two nations have built up since the War on Terror. But siding with them would show that they support genocide. America just decides to sit it out.

South Africa, Nigeria, and various other powerful African nations side with their colonial allies and declare war on the Pakis and the Gooks.

Israel declares war against the Pakistanis but the Syrians, Iranians, and Saudis don't care for this at all. Iraq, Jordan, Turkey, and Egypt who don't side with the Pakistanis and are also heavily influenced by the US and EU go against them.

Russia who is intimidated by the economic strength posed by the EU, but still want to get in on some of the action side with the EU.

I think this is much more logical.

Seems like a better option but as long as they're being overt about it China might as well launch a missile (nuclear in design of course) either that or as India's air force would be tottally outclassed by China's, theymight launch the missile (Again, a nuclear missile), either way, the other wil launcha missile in retaliation and as soon as China launches, America will whether its aimed at us or not (Because we'll believe it is, or be afraid that it might be) other than that its more plausible than China getting involved in an Iranian war with Israel.

Hmmm, how about this one...it's a little more optimistic.

2005-2010.
The world continues much as it has so far.
American troops eventually end the occupation of Iraq, but maintain a sizeable force on their military bases in the country. Insurgents still cause some uncertainty, but the now well equipped and ruthless Iraqi Security Police cracks down on any Islamic movements with great efficiency.
In Central Asia, much goes on as it has before. Some old dictatorships are overthrown and replaced by new ones, which all try and get support from the various powers.
India and Pakistan finally sign a peace and friendship treaty, and work towards an independent Kashmir, which is to be included in a new South-Asian free trade zone.
The Republicans continue to dominate US-Politics, with Hillary Clinton the last democrat to get even close to Jeb Bush’s numbers. Social Security and Retirement funds are privatised and monopoly laws are softened. The US Economy thrives on this, while the poor become poorer and public schooling becomes a nightmare. All in all, things are looking good though.
China continues to modernise, spending hundreds of billions on improved infrastructure and improving local industries. US trade officials still demand the Yuan to be freely floated, but cheap Chinese Labour is too important as that anyone could force China to do so. Relations with Taiwan remain largely as they are now.
In Europe, the fall-out of the failed constitution of 2005 continues to weaken all efforts to coordinate policies. Britain states repeatedly that it sees the EU as an FTA without any political function and resists any movement into that direction. The Russian government and EU-Leaders though declare a closer friendship treaty that is to open the way for an alliance of interests in later times.
The UN is reformed, with Germany, Brazil and Japan receiving permanent seats without veto-power. An African representative is planned but never introduced. Global Warming is still an unimportant issue, while crops in the third world and in Australia suffer from droughts and tropical storms claim hundreds of lives.
Islamic Terrorist Groups, such as Al Qaeda slowly fade away, as Osama Bin Laden suffers a stroke and dies, never to have been found or arrested. Ayman Al-Zawahiri vows to continue the struggle, but as the times change, new recruits become scarce and the war on terror becomes a thing of the past.

2010-2020.
A new war in the Balkans stretches NATO to its limits, as the US-Government refuses to get involved. Popular opinion is against helping the Europeans, and NATO is quietly disbanded. EU Peacekeeping forces are greatly stretched, but manage to keep control in key areas, as diplomats begin negotiations. In the end, the EU is successful, as the Balkans become peaceful members of the EU and continue their rivalries diplomatically.
In the early 2010’s a shock goes through the world economy, as a popular movement inspired by Islamic clerics as well as Western democratic activism launches a revolution in Saudi Arabia. Thousands die as armed forces and demonstrators clash all over the country. US-officials are unsure how to react, as this is a popular, largely democratic movement against an autocratic regime. American popular opinion is also against any involvement in the issue. When the Saudi royal family is overthrown and killed however, the result is a massive break-in of stock prices all over the world. Hardest hit is the US, as trillions in Saudi-Investment suddenly disappear or are claimed by others and oil prices hit $100 per barrel.
In Iraq, a revolt of Sunni Muslims leads to civil war, splitting Iraq into three parts: Kurdistan, the Arabic Republic of Iraq and the South-East, which is eventually annexed by Iran.
In Europe the economies crumble as well, as Central Asian and Russian suppliers find themselves unable to fulfil oil demands. The Alliance between the EU and Russia is never realised, as all countries are once again drawn into a great depression.
China is very badly hit as well. As foreign demand diminishes and resources become harder to procure, China finally decides to float the Yuan and reform its banking system. The result is a collapse similar to those in the US and the EU, leaving the government on the ropes. For a time it looks like civil war could break out, but compassionate pleas from many sides bring the masses back from the brink, and the communist party is disbanded. Two new forces take its place, one Maoist party and a new direction, forming a curious mix of Chinese nationalism, Confucianism and Capitalism. This new party wins the general election and rules the nation for the years to come.
Israel suffers greatly under the sudden stop of US-aid and the spiralling world economy, leaving the Prime Minister with no choice but to downsize the armed forces and push for an immediate settlement with the Palestinians. A Palestinian state is created in the following year.
In the US the economic collapse has catastrophic consequences. As tax revenue crumbles, the Government cuts its spending as demand for its bonds is near nil, and no more funds are available. The space program is discontinued, as is much military research and an overhaul of national education systems. Furthermore, the democrats have now faded almost out of the picture, with the filibuster gone and public opinion firmly directed against weak-minded liberals. Strong nationalism leads to aggressive tariffs and quotas being introduced against foreign companies, who are often blamed for the economic collapse.

2020-2030.
The World is gradually recovering from the collapse. Oil continues to become scarce, and global warming has now made farming unviable in much of Australia, Southern Africa and so on, but the priorities of the world are on other things.
In the US, Fox Media has offered to buy the struggling CNN, the last news corporation other than Fox. When the US Government isn’t forthcoming with a decision, Fox sues at the Supreme Court, which eventually rules in favour of Fox. Civil Rights Groups are outraged, many Republicans hail the decision as a landmark, and most Americans couldn’t care less, as they haven’t been watching much news anyways.
The EU is making headway politically after the UK had declared itself no longer a full member during the depression. A new constitution is introduced, abandoning most national governmental departments and parliaments and replacing them with European ones. At CERN French scientists develop the technology for the peaceful use of nuclear fusion. The EU quickly realises the possibilities and begins to construct fusion plants and exports energy.
India and Pakistan are also recovering and increase their influence over formerly American-controlled central Asian nations in an attempt to secure more oil reserves.
Russia has become more centralistic during the depression, but is mainly directing its interest at Central Asia as well.
The UN, which had faded almost out of existence during the depression is reconstructed, abandoning the security council and giving every country votes based on population and other factors.
In China, the new government completes its reforms and reconstruction efforts successfully, and is in a strong position. The second largest country on Earth, it presides over the strongest economy and a powerful, reformed and modernised military.
In Taiwan, a referendum is held on whether the island should join the new mainland, which is successful. Talks begin immediately, as Chinese police forces are invited on the island and hailed as friends. In America, this new development is very concerning. Fearing Chinese expansion and losing its presence in Asia, the US is determined not to let the two nations unite. When diplomatic pressure is ignored by the Chinese, US warships begin to move. North of Taiwan, there is first contact as a Chinese drone is shot down. When US Special Forces are found on Taiwan, the unified Chinese governments react with anger. A deadline is set for the US to leave the area. When American officials refuse, a massive upset hits the world. A taskforce carrier group of the US Navy was attacked by a swarm of Cruise Missiles, and a nuclear carrier was hit so badly that it sunk the following day. More than 1000 US Crewmembers die.
The following days are spent with waiting for imminent nuclear apocalypse, as the US Military asks the president for the right to hit back with all might. Only the combined pressure of the entire world, and a threat by all other nuclear powers to side with whoever is being shot at first convinces the US President to be the better man and back off. From this day on, the US Hegemony over the planet is over.

2030-2040.
In combined elections the people of Pakistan and India unite their nations once more to form the new largest economy on earth. Proclaiming that they are not interested in military power, they stay neutral.
The EU is finally declared one single state, ending 2000 years of intra-european rivalry and an FTA is declared with Russia. Furthermore, a new alliance (similar to the old EU) is declared between Europe and the nations of North Africa, Kazakhstan and its neighbours, as well as with Canada and later Mexico. American protests are ignored, as they are based on ideology without facts to support them. Nuclear fusion technology is used wherever a nation was ready to comply with certain criteria. China soon developed its own version but the US refused, slowly developing its own fusion technology based on a different approach.
In America, liberalism and anti-government sentiment has lead to a gradual disappearing of an ordered police force. Local groups and companies are vying for the right to take care of security, often at gun point, leaving behind an anarchy.
FoxNews is no longer showing news from the world outside the US. Immigration was outlawed during the depression, and the import quotas were gradually decreased to reach practically zero in order to protect US Companies.
In the Middle East, stable Islamic democratic states have developed in Egypt, Syria and the Arabian peninsula. Kurdistan is also solidified, as the EU has prevented Turkish intervention. Iraq is going well, while Iran has increasingly become freer and is now usually referred to as Persia, linking it directly with the empires of the past.
In China, the past is now looked upon as the Mao Dynasty, in one direct line from the first emperor. The nation has become the new power in the world, generally keeping out of affairs that don’t affect it directly, but always ready to intervene to protect its interest. The rest of the world becomes slightly sceptical and anti-sinoism becomes increasingly popular in Europe. ;)

2040+
Well, America has become more and more of an outcast internationally, but its tale is not over. Eventually it may recover, rebuilding itself on the platform of the American Dream. It may not be able to do so by itself, but a time comes when they will accept foreign help. Global Warming becomes a scourge, flooding vast pieces of land (the Netherlands, New York, Shanghai) and millions die in annual famines and shortages of drinking water. Eventually the climate will normalise, as fossil fuels are no longer used, but the damage is done. The UN becomes the standard forum for nations to disband old feuds, coordinate policies and rebuild the ravaged ecosphere. China’s time comes and goes, followed by the final unification of interests when the UN becomes the central government body for Homo Sapiens.
Man will eventually look to the stars again and build space ships to found colonies on Mars and beyond…:P

I think it would go more like this....

Norway invades Hawaii; the island of Tofua, in turn attacks Denmark with cavalry; the Germans declare war on Mongolia and the nation of Prussia re-emerges from the shadows; Zoroastrians from Qatar plant sleeper terrorists in Indonesia and Pakistan takes itself out in a terrible nuclear mishap. All Ukranians return to their native planet while the Dali Lama and the Pope challenge each other to a kickboxing match; the Loch Ness monster invades Suriname and the prime minister of Belgium assasinates George Clooney. In the end the Turks dominate the globe. This is pretty much common sense people.

Sometime around 2010 to 2020 would be the most likely.

Israel bombs an Iranian power plant like they did to Iraq once. Iran finally has a reason to declare war and does. Syria backs them up and then the US jumps in to protect Israel. China declares war on the US as it has wanted to for a few years. Russia also backs up Iran. North Korea sees the US is distracted and invades South Korea to reunite. Somewhere in this Britain would support the US. And Pakistan might support Israel.

I can't fit France, Germany, the EU, or any other Middle East nations(although some would probably support Iran).

Israel, US, Britain, South Korea (Pakistan)
vs.
Iran, Syria, China, Russia, and North Korea

Does anyone think this could happen if Israel did that. It is sort of like WW1 in the beginning:
Israel-Serbia
Iran-Austria-Hungary
Syria/China-Germany
US-Russia

This not an RPG, but I will go make one in II.

Its obsurd really..

China wouldn't support Iran and Syria, and surly wouldn't take the same Side as Russia from past history alone. China relies the United States to fuel its economic growth, not just today but for the forseeable future, especially going into the next 4-8 years where their growth will determine weather or not they will be a contendor for the US or just another player in a sea of players.

Russia, well lets face facts, Russia is in no position economically, militarily, or politically in shape atleast today to wage warefare. Its entire economic recovery is built upon its newly found oil industry (who largets consumers are of the first world). Stands to reason with the line up you just gave, your pitting old enemies against one another. For all intense and purposes those political unions are largely dead and entirely new political landscape exists. This is no more previlant then in the reality that China has played such a vital role in negoiations between the US and North Korea over Neculear arms.

A better event for China is, while USA is distracted, invade Taiwan and India.