NationStates Jolt Archive


Minorities....

Cabra West
19-12-2005, 20:41
All right, which minority groups do you belong to? I know everybody belongs to at least one!

Me, I'm left-handed, and I know what discrimiation is whenever I use a can opener, a pair of scissors or a mouse.
I also belong to the minority of people holding a library card after their twenties and still taking out books on a regular basis. But that just earns me some disbelieving stares and paronising comments like "I've got enough money to BUY my books" now and then. Being a leftie is worse...
Carops
19-12-2005, 20:45
Well I'm a Roman Catholic, I'm a Centrist (you just try to find lots of us!!) and Im an audiovisual learner, which is apparently a minority to...
Jurgencube
19-12-2005, 20:45
I know your pain I'm a lefftie as well. My teacher thought I was a brat in primary school because I couldn't use scissors at all. Funnily enough I'm actually right handed for my mouse.
Cabra West
19-12-2005, 20:47
I know your pain I'm a lefftie as well. My teacher thought I was a brat in primary school because I couldn't use scissors at all. Funnily enough I'm actually right handed for my mouse.

I swapped the buttons on mine... drives everybody else up the wall :D
Didn't you just hate it as a kid when they made you write with pen and you just ended up smearing everything you wrote halfway across the paper because the ink didn't dry fast enough?
Carops
19-12-2005, 20:49
I know your pain I'm a lefftie as well. My teacher thought I was a brat in primary school because I couldn't use scissors at all. Funnily enough I'm actually right handed for my mouse.

Well in that case, you're just being awkward :p
Hoos Bandoland
19-12-2005, 20:50
I know your pain I'm a lefftie as well. My teacher thought I was a brat in primary school because I couldn't use scissors at all. Funnily enough I'm actually right handed for my mouse.

I'm a White, Anglo-Saxon, Christian male. Unlike most minorities, our numbers are shrinking, not growing.
Evil little girls
19-12-2005, 20:52
I'm an anarchist, now THAT is a minority group.
Also I'm becoming part-time squatter:p
Jurgencube
19-12-2005, 20:52
I swapped the buttons on mine... drives everybody else up the wall :D
Didn't you just hate it as a kid when they made you write with pen and you just ended up smearing everything you wrote halfway across the paper because the ink didn't dry fast enough?

(In england we have joined up desks) and I always got sent to the far left, because when I sat next to a rightie we'd always bump elbows :mad:
Cabra West
19-12-2005, 20:52
I'm a White, Anglo-Saxon, Christian male. Unlike most minorities, our numbers are shrinking, not growing.

Never knew there was a shortage of males on the planet?
AM Radio
19-12-2005, 20:53
I am ambadextrous (SPL?). The funny thing is when I was a child in school when they were teaching us how to write, you know doing the same letter over and over again, well from left to right I did it with my right hand then on the next line went right to left with my left hand. My teacher got mad and made me choose one hand and stick with it. I use me right hand for writing mainly because of spiral notebooks.
Hoos Bandoland
19-12-2005, 20:55
Never knew there was a shortage of males on the planet?

It's those who are a combination of the four that are in short supply. ;)
Carops
19-12-2005, 20:55
Never knew there was a shortage of males on the planet?

Haven't you heard? We're surplus to requirements.
The Sutured Psyche
19-12-2005, 20:58
Thelemite
Libertarian
Disabled
College Educated
Rape survivor
Gun Owner
Long haired male (you'd be surpised just how much influence that still has on reactions)


I think thats about it.
Qwystyria
19-12-2005, 20:59
I'm a stay-at-home mommy. Not only a minority, but one people frequently look down on. Just because I want to raise my own children instead of working to earn money so someone else can do it for me doesn't mean I'm wasting my education.

I've only had sex with one person, and am married to him. That's definitely a minority these days.
Melkor Unchained
19-12-2005, 20:59
Never knew there was a shortage of males on the planet?
There aren't really, but statisitcally there always have been slightly more women in most populations; our infant mortality rate is slightly higher [and always has been].

Frankly, the only real minority [that I care about] that I belong to is the minority possessed only by myself--I couldn't care less about my skin color or the cultural habits of my ancestors.
Friendly Pandas
19-12-2005, 21:02
im a canoist its a minority sport

otherwise im part of the irish majority white,right handed and roman catholic
Legless Pirates
19-12-2005, 21:04
Dutch roman-catholic :eek:

And obviously: Legless Pirates
Unabashed Greed
19-12-2005, 21:07
I'm a White, Anglo-Saxon, Christian male. Unlike most minorities, our numbers are shrinking, not growing.


I knew this one would pop up on the first page. And, all I have to say to that is "good riddance"!
Friendly Pandas
19-12-2005, 21:10
yes goodridence opresive bas*terds:upyours:
Kiwi-kiwi
19-12-2005, 21:10
Nonsexual.
I can actually stick out my tongue and touch my nose (as in with my tongue).
Evil little girls
19-12-2005, 21:13
Libertarian


Do they still exist? wow some of us still want to return to the 19th century
Sinuhue
19-12-2005, 21:13
Hmmm. What is a minority where I live may not be elsewhere, so these are all things that make me a minority where I live.

I'm a First Nations woman. I'm not married to my spouse. My 'husband' is not white. I speak more than two languages. I have a University degree. I am an atheist. I am politically active. I have traveled to more than 10 countries. I can play many instruments. I am in an open, non-monogamous relationship.
Eyster
19-12-2005, 21:21
Lefty here, mate.
Otares
19-12-2005, 21:23
Acadian and boy are we dieing out fast.

It is actually a shame. My ancestors refused to give up their land or their culture in the expulsion and lived in the woods. I actually may have native blood due to interbreeding. So they lost their land and kept their identity.

When the Acadians reentered British society, which later became Canadian society we slowly lost the language and culture.

I am the first generation of Arseneaults who cannot speak French. (And no I am not totally defeatist, I plan on picking the language up. I am in looking around for some tutors, I just want to learn Acadian French and not Quebec, Parisian, or France French.)

Past that white, middle class, and male. So I might lose the language and culture of my blood but I will be provided with all the opportunity in the world to be on the top of the cycle next time it comes around.
Cabra West
19-12-2005, 21:28
Ok, let's see... what othe minorities do I belong to? So far, I only attracted lefties, but I want to hear the really interesting bits, too ;)

I'm clearly overweight, but don't really intend to loose a lot of weight anytime soon.

I prefer tea to coffee... in fact, I hate coffee.

I'm not particularly fond of small children.
Sinuhue
19-12-2005, 21:32
I am the first generation of Arseneaults who cannot speak English. (And no I am not totally defeatist, I plan on picking the language up. I am in looking around for some tutors, I just want to learn Acadian French and not Quebec, Parisian, or France French.)

You mean French, yes?
Keruvalia
19-12-2005, 21:33
All right, which minority groups do you belong to?

I'm a free thinking rugged individualist. If that ain't minority, I don't know what is.

I suppose you want something more ethnic/genetic, though, so ok.

I'm a Southern White Male (you'd be surprised at how many assumptions just flew into the minds of many people).

I'm culturally/by blood a Jew (yes, as a matter of fact, I do drink the blood of Christian babies and I do control your personal checking account).

I'm 1/4th Caddo (I stay drunk 18 hours a day on government welfare and wear feathers in my hair and go "woo-woo-woo" while dancing around a fire to a 5/4 beat)

I am 1/4th Cajun (no, wait ... actually everyone loves Cajuns ... never mind).

I'm religiously Muslim (yes, of course I'll blow you up because some foreign Mufti says you're evil and I force my wife into a burkha. If you see me praying, call a cop).

I have long hair (insert your own prejudice here, though this is becoming more and more acceptable).

I'm a regular poster on NS General (oh the humanity).

I'm a leftist liberal (no, you're right, I cannot think and I only hate Bush because someone did a pictorial of various facial expressions compared with a monkey and I am a soldier in the War on Christmas).

I am a Man (I have lewd thoughts about 9 year old girls and will cheat on my wife at every opportunity).

I am religious (I believe that my Magical Sky Elf has damned you to some for of eternal flames and whippings because you don't follow my way).

Should I go on?

Everyone has felt the sting of some form of prejudice. Some more than others, for whatever reason. Ignorance and bigotry run amuck and not even I am above it sometimes. May as well just enjoy it.
Otares
19-12-2005, 21:35
You mean French, yes?
Ah yes thank you. Luckily someone with a bit of awareness caught my typo, fixed now. Hopefully not too much confusion has been caused.
Evenrue
19-12-2005, 21:42
Never knew there was a shortage of males on the planet?
White christian ones at that... I thought we were infested with them...
Qwystyria
19-12-2005, 21:43
Ok, let's see... what othe minorities do I belong to? So far, I only attracted lefties, but I want to hear the really interesting bits, too ;)

I'm clearly overweight, but don't really intend to loose a lot of weight anytime soon.

I prefer tea to coffee... in fact, I hate coffee.

I'm not particularly fond of small children.

Yes, I also hate coffee - but very much enjoy tea.

And while I have a very wonderful small child, I'm not a big fan of any small children except her. I do much better after they're old enough to communicate and challenge intellectually instead of by screaming. I'd rather deal with explaining why they can't get their belly button peirced than convince them not to have cheerios in the bath any day. I know small children are cute and all, but they're boring. (Except mine. She's wonderful.)

And at least for this country, I'm unusual merely because I am not overweight OR underweight, and have never been on a diet, and do not plan to ever go on one.

I also attend church weekly, and I'm not catholic.
Kiwi-kiwi
19-12-2005, 21:45
I'm not particularly fond of small children.

Oh right, I'm also childfree.
SoWiBi
19-12-2005, 21:46
NS is having minority day today, eh?

anyhow, let's see what i can dig up:

- non-practicing leftie

-non-practicing jew (by blood, mind you)

-practicing lesbian

- disabled

- supposed to be especially gifted (as in, IQ-wise. no other talents, really)

- elbow-lick-enabled (hah!)

-dreadhead (well all the guys got to mention their hair so i wanna show off too)
- hate cofee, coffeine doesn't agree with me

- is 5 years over legla drinking age, has not touched a drop of alcohol yet and intends for it to stay that way

-vegetarian

hmpf. might think of more if you guys keep inspiring me :)
[and then i'll just add them here.]
Evil little girls
19-12-2005, 21:49
NS is having minority day today, eh?

anyhow, let's see what i can dig up:

- non-practicing leftie

-non-practicing jew (by blood, mind you)

- disabled

- supposed to be especially gifted

- elbow-lick-enabled (hah!)

-dreadhead (well all the guys got to mention their hair so i wanna show off too)

hmpf. might think of more if you guys keep inspiring me :)

If you mention your hair than so can I:D
Mohawk wearing, leather clad, chain carrying punk
Kiwi-kiwi
19-12-2005, 21:50
- elbow-lick-enabled (hah!)


That's even more impressive then tongue-to-nose touching! :eek:
Magnificent Germania
19-12-2005, 21:51
I knew this one would pop up on the first page. And, all I have to say to that is "good riddance"!

Well fuck you to.
It will hard in the future not having any one to blame for in your constants failures.

White christian ones at that... I thought we were infested with them...

White birtrates are dropping around the world.

Never knew there was a shortage of males on the planet?

You can read right?
Evenrue
19-12-2005, 21:52
Hate coffee, don't drink caffeine, a girl who LOVES anime, hmm... there's probably more but School is about to let out and it's the last day WOO!!!
Kiwi-kiwi
19-12-2005, 21:55
Hate coffee, don't drink caffeine, a girl who LOVES anime, hmm... there's probably more but School is about to let out and it's the last day WOO!!!

That's a minority?
SoWiBi
19-12-2005, 21:56
Hate coffee, don't drink caffeine, a girl who LOVES anime, hmm... there's probably more but School is about to let out and it's the last day WOO!!!

as i said, keep them inspirations coming..:)
Kiwi-kiwi
19-12-2005, 22:01
as i said, keep them inspirations coming..:)

- hate cofee, coffeine doesn't agree with me

- is 5 years over legla drinking age, has not touched a drop of alcohol yet and intends for it to stay that way

Same for both, only I'm a few months under the drinking age and caffeine generally doesn't bother me, beyond the fact that it seems to wire me up easier than other people (though only sometimes).
Unabashed Greed
19-12-2005, 22:05
Well fuck you to.
It will hard in the future not having any one to blame for in your constants failures.

Awww, don't cwy, I'm a successful person, so you have nothing to worry about ;)

I'll just have one less thing to complain about when the world is a slightly more tolerant place after you're all gone :D

I know what's comeing in the wake of me mentioning the word "tolerant". But, lay it on me anyway, if you must. I'm cool like that :cool:
Texoma Land
19-12-2005, 22:07
Gay, disabled (spinal cord injury), athiest, vegetarian, libertarian socilaist.
Frangland
19-12-2005, 22:08
There aren't really, but statisitcally there always have been slightly more women in most populations; our infant mortality rate is slightly higher [and always has been].

Frankly, the only real minority [that I care about] that I belong to is the minority possessed only by myself--I couldn't care less about my skin color or the cultural habits of my ancestors.

there are an equal number of men (or slightly more men than women) until you get to the elderly demographic, where females dominate.
Lienor
19-12-2005, 22:09
Lefty.
Midget. Well, not technically, but I'm under five foot.
Gay.
Indian heritage.
Communist.
Glasses.
Like the French.
Exceptionally high IQ.
Don't like football.
Neo Kervoskia
19-12-2005, 22:13
This is going to be a trip....

I'm offwhite. (Korean-American)
Atheist
Rational Traditionalist
Asexual
Germaphobe
Glasses (My vision is 20/400)
Abortionist
Cabra West
19-12-2005, 22:14
This is going to be a trip....

I'm offwhite. (Korean-American)
Atheist
Rational Traditionalist
Asexual
Germaphobe
Glasses (My vision is 20/400)
Abortionist

What's a Germaphobe?
Unabashed Greed
19-12-2005, 22:18
What's a Germaphobe?

Being irrationally, and constantly afraid of getting infected by anything.

NK, having said that, do you use public toilets when in desperate need (like after a 5 course indian meal served in a public park or something like that)?

I'm not being insulting, just wondering, I have a friend with the worst case of OCD I've ever seen, and he can't use any bathroom but his own because he has a special rug that the has to do four turns on before he can sit down.
Neo Kervoskia
19-12-2005, 22:19
What's a Germaphobe?
Well, think OCD. I'll give you some examples.

I always carry a bottle of hand sanitizer

I soak my coins in alcohol until I need to use them

I rarely use public restrooms and if I do I NEVER touch the doorknob with my bare hands, I use a paper towel.

I don't like to shake hands unless I must. Nor do I like swimming pools.

And various other things, but somehow I manage to control many of them.
Kiwi-kiwi
19-12-2005, 22:22
Abortionist

Are you an actual abortionist? As in the job? Do jobs count as minorities...? Hmm...
The Tribes Of Longton
19-12-2005, 22:22
Well I'm Cack Handed, Lancastrian and in first Year Biochemistry at Manchester Uni. That's three minorities right there :p .

Also, I didn't start really shaving (2/3 times a week by my defn.) until about 6 months ago. V. embarrassing.
Frangland
19-12-2005, 22:23
What's a Germaphobe?

...someone who's afraid of Germany.
Neo Kervoskia
19-12-2005, 22:23
Are you an actual abortionist? As in the job? Do jobs count as minorities...? Hmm...
Only on Tuesdays.
Syawla
19-12-2005, 22:25
All right, which minority groups do you belong to? I know everybody belongs to at least one!

Me, I'm left-handed, and I know what discrimiation is whenever I use a can opener, a pair of scissors or a mouse.
I also belong to the minority of people holding a library card after their twenties and still taking out books on a regular basis. But that just earns me some disbelieving stares and paronising comments like "I've got enough money to BUY my books" now and then. Being a leftie is worse...

I am a genius.
Eichen
19-12-2005, 22:31
Asexual
Although not totally inappropriate (I know what you mean), I'd avoid that term.
Taken in its most literal meaning, it implies that you were born without reproductive organs. Celbate, or just not interested in sex sounds better.
Just my .02.
Neo Kervoskia
19-12-2005, 22:34
Although not totally inappropriate (I know what you mean), I'd avoid that term.
Taken in its most literal meaning, it implies that you were born without reproductive organs. Celbate, or just not interested in sex sounds better.
Just my .02.
True.
Preebs
19-12-2005, 22:54
Being South African Born and of Indian descent I'm a minority in that sense no matter where I go. I'm also an anarcho-communist and, rather obviously following from that, a feminist.
Melkor Unchained
20-12-2005, 00:34
there are an equal number of men (or slightly more men than women) until you get to the elderly demographic, where females dominate.
Wrong. (http://www.eoc.org.hk/me/research/census/) Statistically speaking, the gap is getting smaller [3.5 reads "Male mortality rate has generally been higher than female mortality rate at each age group, but the gender gap has also narrowed over times. However, men's mortality rate is still significantly higher than those of women among older age groups"], but only as a function of our total population growth.

Now granted, like with any other survey this is just a random sample of the population and it's trends might not necessarily reflect those of the human race as a whole, but nearly all census data that I've ever seen has suggested a slightly stronger presence of females in most samples.
N Y C
20-12-2005, 00:43
Jewish
New Yorker
Arabic Student
and...I always feel like a braggart telling people this...:(
I got 730 English, 1260 combined on my SAT before (well, sadly, technically ON my 13th birthday)


...That's it I suppose...
The Capitalist Vikings
20-12-2005, 00:55
Well my minority status comes from the fact that I am a Catholic Libertarian :eek:

We are a rare breed indeed...
Smunkeeville
20-12-2005, 01:31
I'm a stay-at-home mommy. Not only a minority, but one people frequently look down on. Just because I want to raise my own children instead of working to earn money so someone else can do it for me doesn't mean I'm wasting my education.
I am also a stay at home mom. I am a woman (although I hear we are the majority now) I don't think I really belong to a minority group, unless you count me in relation to my neighborhood where we are the minority because we are white.

I've only had sex with one person, and am married to him. That's definitely a minority these days.
Yeah. I remember when I had to go get a copy of my daughter's ss card to enroll her in preK, they wanted documentation besides her birth certificate.

I said "what type of documentation the kid is 3?"

They wanted
a baptism certificate
divorce papers mentioning her
custody agreement papers
dhs papers mentioning her
a separation agreement mentioning her
visitation papers
a police report
or
paternity papers mentioning her

I got so mad, that I threw a Smunkee fit

"you mean that because I got married, had sex with my husband, had a child, and stayed married and don't recieve government assistance, that I can't get a copy of her ss card to enroll her in school?!"

"do you have a baptism record?"
"no, we are baptists"
"then she should be baptised right?"
"not until she understands what it means"
"oh, then........uh.........I don't know how to get a copy"
"what about a tax return?"
"she files a tax return?"
"no, she is on ours, because we claim her as a dependent"
"oh, yeah, I suppose."

between that, and people asking me "do the girls have the same father?" and "are you still married?"

that people who get married and have kids with each other and stay married are the minority, it's really sad.
Equus
20-12-2005, 01:50
I am also a stay at home mom. I am a woman (although I hear we are the majority now) I don't think I really belong to a minority group, unless you count me in relation to my neighborhood where we are the minority because we are white.


Yeah. I remember when I had to go get a copy of my daughter's ss card to enroll her in preK, they wanted documentation besides her birth certificate.

I said "what type of documentation the kid is 3?"

They wanted
a baptism certificate
divorce papers mentioning her
custody agreement papers
dhs papers mentioning her
a separation agreement mentioning her
visitation papers
a police report
or
paternity papers mentioning her

I got so mad, that I threw a Smunkee fit

"you mean that because I got married, had sex with my husband, had a child, and stayed married and don't recieve government assistance, that I can't get a copy of her ss card to enroll her in school?!"

"do you have a baptism record?"
"no, we are baptists"
"then she should be baptised right?"
"not until she understands what it means"
"oh, then........uh.........I don't know how to get a copy"
"what about a tax return?"
"she files a tax return?"
"no, she is on ours, because we claim her as a dependent"
"oh, yeah, I suppose."

between that, and people asking me "do the girls have the same father?" and "are you still married?"

that people who get married and have kids with each other and stay married are the minority, it's really sad.
Wow that's crazy. I mean, my family expects it when people ask if all us siblings have the same parents, because, after all, there are eleven of us with a huge age range. But otherwise.... o_0
Equus
20-12-2005, 01:52
Oh and I guess that's pretty much the only thing that makes me a minority. I have a huge number of brothers and sisters.

I don't believe that being a childless woman living in 'sin' qualifies as a minority anymore. Whoo!
Zexaland
20-12-2005, 01:52
Is atheist a minority? If so, yeah, I am a minority, in a way.
Halisnovski
20-12-2005, 01:55
If you're not an Hispanic like me (Cuban) you won't understand these:

I have long hair (not Fabio hair)

I'm white tanned (like Goth white)

I'm not that ignorant (The Florida Education System sucks)

Also, 16 and never had a girlfriend! Don't pity me!
Eruantalon
20-12-2005, 01:59
Minority me:

Guy with long hair
Art student
Dislikes high heels on women
Tolkien fan who has actually read the Silmarillion

Never knew there was a shortage of males on the planet?
We are, according to Bottle (whose information I trust), only 49% of humans.

Frankly, the only real minority [that I care about] that I belong to is the minority possessed only by myself--I couldn't care less about my skin color or the cultural habits of my ancestors.
Oh man, you don't actually take that "the individual is the smallest minority on the planet" line seriously do you?

I knew this one would pop up on the first page. And, all I have to say to that is "good riddance"!
Yeah! 800 years of oppression is all I have to say!

I'm a First Nations woman. I'm not married to my spouse. My 'husband' is not white.
Whoah holy shit. All this time I thought you were married. What is your legal relationship with your husband?
Halisnovski
20-12-2005, 02:01
Oh man, you don't actually take that "the individual is the smallest minority on the planet" line seriously do you?

That's a shockingly true fact down here... blah, dang you Hotlanta and your Crunk >_<
Eruantalon
20-12-2005, 02:20
I'm a free thinking rugged individualist. If that ain't minority, I don't know what is.

I suppose you want something more ethnic/genetic, though, so ok.

I'm a Southern White Male (you'd be surprised at how many assumptions just flew into the minds of many people).

I'm culturally/by blood a Jew (yes, as a matter of fact, I do drink the blood of Christian babies and I do control your personal checking account).

I'm 1/4th Caddo (I stay drunk 18 hours a day on government welfare and wear feathers in my hair and go "woo-woo-woo" while dancing around a fire to a 5/4 beat)

I am 1/4th Cajun (no, wait ... actually everyone loves Cajuns ... never mind).

I'm religiously Muslim (yes, of course I'll blow you up because some foreign Mufti says you're evil and I force my wife into a burkha. If you see me praying, call a cop).

I have long hair (insert your own prejudice here, though this is becoming more and more acceptable).

I'm a regular poster on NS General (oh the humanity).

I'm a leftist liberal (no, you're right, I cannot think and I only hate Bush because someone did a pictorial of various facial expressions compared with a monkey and I am a soldier in the War on Christmas).

I am a Man (I have lewd thoughts about 9 year old girls and will cheat on my wife at every opportunity).

I am religious (I believe that my Magical Sky Elf has damned you to some for of eternal flames and whippings because you don't follow my way).

Should I go on?

Everyone has felt the sting of some form of prejudice. Some more than others, for whatever reason. Ignorance and bigotry run amuck and not even I am above it sometimes. May as well just enjoy it.
Keruvalia, you win the thread!

I am also a stay at home mom. I am a woman (although I hear we are the majority now) I don't think I really belong to a minority group, unless you count me in relation to my neighborhood where we are the minority because we are white.
I respect stay-at-home mothers. It's much better than working just to pay some childminder.
Homovox
20-12-2005, 02:22
Bisexual
Genderqueer
Libertarian Socialist
Subgenius
Noise Musician
Neo Kervoskia
20-12-2005, 02:28
Bisexual
Genderqueer
Libertarian Socialist
Subgenius
Noise Musician
Sounds like the average Generalite.
Nadkor
20-12-2005, 02:40
Transgendered, which I'm guessing is a minority in most places.
Ogalalla
20-12-2005, 02:49
This is going to be a trip....

I'm offwhite. (Korean-American)
Athiest
Rational Traditionalist
Asexual
Germaphobe
Glasses (My vision is 20/400)
Abortionist
Aren't those like the same thing?
The Tribes Of Longton
20-12-2005, 02:54
Aren't those like the same thing?
*punch*

Well, that's that dealt with...
Saint Jade
20-12-2005, 03:03
Well I'm a dart player. We are a rare breed indeed. Well, us serious ones anyway.

And a 22 year old female virgin. Thats a minority anywhere nowadays.

The things that make me a minority where I live (and don't jump on my case, I don't actually think we have a single cultural majority in my little neck of the woods).

I am white from German descent. (I'm not Anglo-Saxon, but is there a word that can be used like Anglo-Saxon?)

I do not have a child.

I am a university graduate of a double degree.

My parents are married - to each other. (but they weren't married when they had me - that would have to be a minority anywhere right?).

I don't receive government assistance of any kind, nor have I ever (If you don't live in Australia, this may sound worse than it is - just about everyone gets some kind of payment from the government, even if it is once a year.).

I went through high school and uni without getting a part-time job.

And this is a rarity in Australia - I am a female who drinks Bundaberg Rum (I never fail to get strange, strange looks from bartenders and whoever is around the bar when I order this. I usually get asked if it is for my boyfriend.)
Melkor Unchained
20-12-2005, 03:04
Oh man, you don't actually take that "the individual is the smallest minority on the planet" line seriously do you?
Quite frankly, I'm surprised you'd even ask. You must not have signatures enabled or something :eek:

The term "minority (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=minority)," while generally referring to groups, is also perfectly apt term for use when describing a member of said group--an individual reference. The terms fit clearly and there aren't any significant logical or semantic challenges to the suggestion, so yes I do take it fairly seriously.

Honestly now, we've had our run-ins before. Asking me a question like that only strengthens my suspicion that you've not processed a word I've ever written.
Strasse II
20-12-2005, 03:04
It's those who are a combination of the four that are in short supply. ;)

The White population in general is decreasing. Every other race has a family consisting of an average of 3-4 children, while White people have 0-2. Ultimately we are sort of aborting ourselves to death and no one is willing to do anything about it.

In short globally speaking all Whites are a minority. And so I am member of a dying breed....
Saint Jade
20-12-2005, 03:09
I forgot one - I have a slight disability - a Minor Cerebral Dysfunction (as well as a couple of other problems as a result). Its similar to a Learning Disability (I guess it is one...). Thats definitely a minority. If anyone has questions, I'll be happy to answer them...
Keynesites
20-12-2005, 03:37
Young, gay, atheist, pro-feminist, pro-Zionist, anti-Islam (not just the "extremism" but the whole thing), a Northerner, an Englishman with very little common sense and who thinks France is cool and that Paris is a better city than London, I don't find gay jokes or fart jokes funny, I hate Little Britain, I believe in centralised education policies from the national government as opposed to local authority or "parent power", I am a genuine sympathiser of Peter Tatchell, Chris Hitchens (apart from on the war), Arthur Scargill and Vito Russo and a hater of Plato, Edmund Burke, Winston Churchill, John F. Kennedy, Pope John Paul II and Mother Theresa.

I also think that
- We could have had far worse Prime Ministers than Tony Blair (though I still hate him)
- what the general public wants doesn't always amount to what it needs or what it deserves (this is taking into account racial segregation which was abolished against the wishes of the general consensus and the amount of dictators that were put on their pedestal by what was thought to be democracy in action)
- That some forms of censorship are acceptable and that absolute freedom of speech on a legal platform is a pointless and fundamentally unjust ideal. I don't assume that the government is the only institution with the power to censor.
- The death penalty is wrong but some people still deserve to die.
- The BBC is just as homophobic and anti-secularist as the Daily Mail.
- Richard Littlejohn, George Galloway and Iqbal Sacranie should be thrown in jail.
- People who oppose gay marriage are on a level with racists
- Gay politics is getting too pro-capitalist and mediocre and that a rebirth of the more radical approach of organzations such as that of the Gay Liberation Front and ACT-UP is essential, albeit with their ideas revised to make them relevant to contemporary society (no Queer Theory nonsense)
- Shock, horror, the European Union has its good and bad aspects and isn't a big monster run by nasty despots that threatens the very fabric of humanity nor is it an absolutely effective safeguard for human rights or the way forward for making Europe the new ruler of the world.

All of these individually pretty much put me in a minority.
M3rcenaries
20-12-2005, 03:39
Caucasions are a "minority" in Texas, so....
Steel Butterfly
20-12-2005, 03:39
I was a stereotype-breaker in highschool, being both a football star, in choir, the male lead in the musical, in AP classes, and still rather "popular" or whatnot.

Find a bunch of people like that, eh?
The Tribes Of Longton
20-12-2005, 03:46
Young, gay, atheist and a Northerner (in England that is).
Well, three out of four in common anyway...
Yingzhou
20-12-2005, 03:54
and...I always feel like a braggart telling people this...:(
I got 730 English, 1260 combined on my SAT before (well, sadly, technically ON my 13th birthday)

Speaking frankly, I wouldn't consider that all too spectacular.
N Y C
20-12-2005, 04:18
Speaking frankly, I wouldn't consider that all too spectacular.
For a 12-13 year-old? 730 is pretty good, I think. /tryingnottobrag
N Y C
20-12-2005, 04:22
The White population in general is decreasing. Every other race has a family consisting of an average of 3-4 children, while White people have 0-2. Ultimately we are sort of aborting ourselves to death and no one is willing to do anything about it.

In short globally speaking all Whites are a minority. And so I am member of a dying breed....
Yo no hablo whitesupremist. Races are a social construct anyway and, combined with the fact there is no set group of races, racial pride is rediculous.

In the immortal words of my, and every other lil' jew's idol, The Hebrew Hammer
Shabbat Shalom Mother****;)
Melkor Unchained
20-12-2005, 04:32
Speaking frankly, I wouldn't consider that all too spectacular.
Uhh.... 800 is perfect, cheif. 700 is about 95th percentile. I scored a little bit lower [690] on my verbal, but it's still a damn good score; to be honest I haven't the foggiest notion as to which questions I got wrong. The overall score by most academic standards isn't spectacular as a result of the correspondingly low math score, but I would guess being 13, N Y C hadn't covered some of the mathematical portions of the test.

Heh, looks like NYC is [or at least was] the same as me: great with words and bad with numbers. I got a 510 on my math section, which is abysmally low.
Anybodybutbushia
20-12-2005, 04:46
I am the palest half Brazillian ever
Texoma Land
20-12-2005, 05:00
Transgendered, which I'm guessing is a minority in most places.

Male to female or female to male?

One of my oldest friends is female to male. He hasn't had the surgery yet, so still has most of his female bits (though he did loose his breasts to breast cancer, he saw it as sort of a mixed blessing). But even so, he and his wife got married here in the US many years ago, back before they asked what sex either spouse was on the licence. They've since closed that loophole. But as far as most officals are concerned, they are legally married. :D
Kryozerkia
20-12-2005, 05:13
Let's see...

I'm certainly a minority!

At school - I'm a computer studies student. My program is male dominated and as you can guess, I'm a female. We're a rarity there.

I'm part of the crowd that didn't lose their virgnity early, and have only slept with 1 person, and that person I've been dating for over 2 years and we plan to get married.
N Y C
20-12-2005, 05:19
-snip-
Thank you for that elegant response. That score is almost a year old, and I don't have to retake it soon, but I definitely want to improve for when it *counts*...
SHAENDRA
20-12-2005, 05:42
left handed
redheaded
i liked liver as a kid
i read the dictionary every day , i just like words
I only drink icewine and corona beer
i believe the universe is infinite
I have seen a demon
I believe california will fall victim to the largest earthquake in north american history in the next 20 years
I have considered suicide, ''not lately though''.
i don't wish death on murderers,rapists, and the such, just that they suffer until they die
i almost drowned
i believe that victims of crimes should be able to seek retribution
Skaladora
20-12-2005, 05:50
Personally, I'm the local gay boy. Y'know, the hopeless one who can't seem to find a boyfriend.

I'm also a French Canadian, which is a minority everywhere in North America except Quebec.

I'm a little bit of a geek, too. I love roleplaying games and such.

Can't really think of any relevant minorities I may be part of.

Edit: Forgot to add that I've always liked broccoli.
Cabra West
20-12-2005, 08:21
Are people who attempted sucide and survived a minortiy?
The Similized world
20-12-2005, 08:36
Are people who attempted sucide and survived a minortiy?Nah. I don't think the successes counts here. We's amongst the livin' an' all.
Avarhierrim
20-12-2005, 08:54
Pagan
Genius
Corona Luminai
20-12-2005, 09:29
I'm a minority in a lot of ways. I'm a minority within a minority. I'm black, which is definitely a minority since the black population is like only 12% or something in the US. I'm also Asian, and the Asian population is like 5%, or maybe less.

Further than that, I'm tri-racial, or multiracial-- not something you usually see everyday.

I'm also left-handed, and I don't write sloppily. People always think left-handers write badly, but I guess I'm one of the few who don't.

I'm a devout atheist (as contradictory as that sounds), although I also have some Buddhist and Taoist beliefs.

I also use British spelling, and I don't know any other Americans around here who don't use American spelling. (For example, for the American word "encyclopedia," I would spell it "encyclopaedia.")

Another way I differ greatly from most people (and thus am a minority) is that I actually like snakes. I like reptiles like snakes, lizards, tortoises, and turtles. Snakes may look threatening, but if people should learn to leave them alone so that snakes won't feel like they need to harm anyone who bothers them. I was kind of indifferent about snakes at first, but when I started volunteering at a reptile museum, I began to look at snakes not as a physical representation of evi, but instead as cool animals that are just trying to survive.

So basically I'm a minority because I'm an ophidiophile (snake lover), I'm left-handed, I'm a British spelling-using American, an atheist, and I'm mixed three different ways (Chinese, white, black).
Harlesburg
20-12-2005, 09:59
I swapped the buttons on mine... drives everybody else up the wall :D
Didn't you just hate it as a kid when they made you write with pen and you just ended up smearing everything you wrote halfway across the paper because the ink didn't dry fast enough?
Left handed!
I use Scissors with me right
Mouse with my right(though i can use my left it is just on theright hand side of the keyboard and i am too lazy to move things.....

I hate righting on lined refil or a book and always the first 2 inches of paper comes out like crap because my palm would bump the fold or binding.....
The Similized world
20-12-2005, 10:08
Left handed!
I use Scissors with me right
Mouse with my right(though i can use my left it is just on theright hand side of the keyboard and i am too lazy to move things.....

I hate righting on lined refil or a book and always the first 2 inches of paper comes out like crap because my palm would bump the fold or binding.....Lefthand Scandinavia (http://www.lefthand.dk/) is a great shop for lefthanded. The site is also in English & delivers in the UK within a week.
Pergamor
20-12-2005, 10:24
- Colour-blind (so people have genuinely asked me "so how do you know what to do at traffic lights?").
- The seventh child in my paternal line to share his first name with his father (what on Earth they came up with that for I'm still guessing, at least I don't intend to continue this madness.)
- Dutch, and still getting blamed by my fellow citizens for being too left and liberal. And I don't smoke pot.
- Ah, here's a nice one Socialist but not egalitarian.
- Not a Tolkien fan, still having finished the Silmarillion. (Eat that. ;) )
- I still think George Orwell and Aldous Huxley beat any contemporary novelist. Who?

Races are a social construct anyway and, combined with the fact there is no set group of races, racial pride is rediculous.
I think I dislike white supremacists as much as you do, and I agree that racial pride is covered-up racism, but races are a social construct? Then what do we have all these nice pretty colours for? :)
Cabra West
20-12-2005, 10:29
I think I dislike white supremacists as much as you do, and I agree that racial pride is covered-up racism, but races are a social construct? Then what do we have all these nice pretty colours for? :)

Protection from UV-radiation.
Harlesburg
20-12-2005, 10:31
Lefthand Scandinavia (http://www.lefthand.dk/) is a great shop for lefthanded. The site is also in English & delivers in the UK within a week.
Sorry i should have said i hated writing on lined refil.
1)I don't have to anymore
2)Spelling mistake.:p
Thanks for the offer but i don't live in Britain.
Though Christmas presents......
The Similized world
20-12-2005, 10:36
Sorry i should have said i hated writing on lined refil.
1)I don't have to anymore
2)Spelling mistake.:p
Thanks for the offer but i don't live in Britain.
Though Christmas presents......
Heh, sorry. Should've checked your location. Dunno if they'll ship shit waaaay down there, but I suppose you can ask. Their customer support is both quick, helpful & surprisingly good at english.

And hey, if nothing else, it's a great place for inspiration :)
Pergamor
20-12-2005, 10:44
Protection from UV-radiation.
My point exactly. That's hardly a social construct is it? ;)
Harlesburg
20-12-2005, 10:46
Heh, sorry. Should've checked your location. Dunno if they'll ship shit waaaay down there, but I suppose you can ask. Their customer support is both quick, helpful & surprisingly good at english.

And hey, if nothing else, it's a great place for inspiration :)
Back in my College/Highschool days we(Me and my split personalities/Friends...) used to go to On-line shops and ask them how much it would cost to ship things down here.

One time we were inquiring about K-9 Body Armour.:p
York Island
20-12-2005, 11:58
Get ready.

I'm gay, African American, handicapped, and homeschooled. :eek:
Cabra West
20-12-2005, 12:29
My point exactly. That's hardly a social construct is it? ;)

No, it's a genetic trait that differs in each single human being. Regarding that as a race is a very social thing indeed.
Pergamor
20-12-2005, 13:09
No, it's a genetic trait that differs in each single human being. Regarding that as a race is a very social thing indeed.
I'm beginning to think you're trying to accuse me of bigotry here. :) I'm unconditionally against racism of any kind, and I'm not just using that to ward off accusations of racism. Yes, "race" is a collection of genetic traits which probably evolved as a protection against UV radiation and other external factors. But it does not differ in each single human being; some properties (e.g. skin colour) are shared by groups of individuals and are passed on from one generation to another even if the biological need for them is no longer there. There must be significant coherence in these traits across individuals for them to be called "racial". However PC you may think it is, it makes no sense to deny the existence of observable racial traits in human beings. It's inexcusable to use these facts in a racist manner, against individuals or groups of individuals (even majorities), yes: but that is the social thing you're talking about.

To put it another way, if we deny the existence of race as an objective property of human beings, how could we say there is such a despicable thing as racism?
Cabra West
20-12-2005, 13:28
I'm beginning to think you're trying to accuse me of bigotry here. :) I'm unconditionally against racism of any kind, and I'm not just using that to ward off accusations of racism. Yes, "race" is a collection of genetic traits which probably evolved as a protection against UV radiation and other external factors. But it does not differ in each single human being; some properties (e.g. skin colour) are shared by groups of individuals and are passed on from one generation to another even if the biological need for them is no longer there. There must be significant coherence in these traits across individuals for them to be called "racial". However PC you may think it is, it makes no sense to deny the existence of observable racial traits in human beings. It's inexcusable to use these facts in a racist manner, against individuals or groups of individuals (even majorities), yes: but that is the social thing you're talking about.

To put it another way, if we deny the existence of race as an objective property of human beings, how could we say there is such a despicable thing as racism?

I would use the word "ethnic group" or "ethnic heritage" to describe people belonging to one of these "racial" groups. Why? Because even though the "race" may be black, Africans and Australians don't belong to a common background, not even close. So it makes no sense whatsoever to group them according to their phaenotype if you want to be able to make any assumption about them apart from skin colour.

I don't understand the necessity of nations, either, but I can't deny that there's nationalism on this planet....
Eruantalon
20-12-2005, 13:31
Aren't those like the same thing?
What, you think that all atheists are qualified to perform abortions?

Quite frankly, I'm surprised you'd even ask. You must not have signatures enabled or something.
No, I don't.

The term "minority (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=minority)," while generally referring to groups, is also perfectly apt term for use when describing a member of said group--an individual reference. The terms fit clearly and there aren't any significant logical or semantic challenges to the suggestion, so yes I do take it fairly seriously.
I don't accept that. Nobody says "I am a minority". They say "I am a member of [insert minority group]." Of what minority group is the generic individual human?

Honestly now, we've had our run-ins before. Asking me a question like that only strengthens my suspicion that you've not processed a word I've ever written.
Typical Melkor arrogance! I understand your ideology pretty well. Despite being "individualist" you are an "orthodox objectivist", which pretty much means that you don't think for yourself, rather taking all your ideas from Ayn Rand.

Are people who attempted sucide and survived a minortiy?
Why not say "failed to commit suicide" or "attempted suicide unsuccessfully"? "Survived" sort of implies that you went through something beyond your control.
Liskeinland
20-12-2005, 13:37
I'm part of England's largest ethnic minority. :) I think I dislike white supremacists as much as you do, and I agree that racial pride is covered-up racism, but races are a social construct? Then what do we have all these nice pretty colours for? Exactly. For example, white people have many pretty hair colours, like red. :) Wouldn't it be boring if we were all the same?
Callisdrun
20-12-2005, 13:38
I have long hair, and I'm a guy.

I'm very religious but I'm not a Christian, Muslim or Jew. I'm a Unitarian Universalist.

I hate the way high heels look on women.
Magnificent Germania
20-12-2005, 13:49
I am a white male, who is straight. And I am a conservative nationalist.

Being a white male I am part of a global minority, and not being a liberal or socialist I am part of a small minority on this page.
Pergamor
20-12-2005, 13:53
I would use the word "ethnic group" or "ethnic heritage" to describe people belonging to one of these "racial" groups. Why? Because even though the "race" may be black, Africans and Australians don't belong to a common background, not even close. So it makes no sense whatsoever to group them according to their phaenotype if you want to be able to make any assumption about them apart from skin colour.
You're telling me "black" is an undisputed name to identify an ethnic group in English-speaking countries? :o Let's hope not.

An example opposed to yours: though the "race" names may be different, Europeans, Asians, and Native Americans share racial properties because their ancestors migrated from Africa in a later period than the ancestors of indigenous Australians (if at all it's true that Australians originated from Africa). So even if you consider "race" to be a valid property of the human species, you can't call Africans and Australians "the black race", and get away with it. I think you're taking a racist racial term here and use it to support your point. In that case, of course race is a social term, and I disapprove of it as much as you do.
Eruantalon
20-12-2005, 14:11
I hate the way high heels look on women.
Careful now or we won't be a minorioty any more!
N Y C
20-12-2005, 14:13
I am a white male, who is straight. And I am a conservative nationalist.

Being a white male I am part of a global minority, and not being a liberal or socialist I am part of a small minority on this page.
Actually, there are many capitalists here too. They're not usually as noticable, but they're there.
N Y C
20-12-2005, 14:25
About the race thing: I believe in a medical context, ethnicity plays a part. Not race, mind you. For instance, the racial idea of "Black" constitutes many different ethnicities from African-American to the forest pygmies of the Congo who might have different predespositions to certain ailments. Again, this is for medicine. As I said before, race is a SOCIAL CONSTRUCT, and it is idiotic to be proud of it. I'm proud of being an American, Jew, New Yorker, student, member of the human race and so on, but I have no reason to be proud of being "white".

Also, I must remind everyone of what I always do in discussions like this: There is actually often more genetic differentiation between two members of a so-called races than between any two members of different races.



That's because most human variation falls within, not between populations. About 85% of all genetic variation can, on average, be found within any local population, be they Swedes, Kikuyu, or Hmong. About 94% can be found within any continental population, consistent with what the Rosenberg Science study found. In fact, there are no characteristics, no traits, not even one gene that turns up in all members of one so-called race yet is absent from others. Taken from here. (http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:ONXrYR0y33sJ:www.newsreel.org/guides/race/whatdiff.htm++genetic+differentiation+between+two+members+of+a+so-called+races+than+between+racism&hl=en)
Pergamor
20-12-2005, 14:45
the racial idea of "Black" (...) but I have no reason to be proud of being "white".
Again, I'm surprised how easily races are identified by colours here. You're saying 'black' and 'white' are actually generally accepted terms to identify races? If so, I'm afraid that's a linguistic property of English. I'm starting to see why debate about it is so hideously precarious in the US... Now I'm of Jewish descent as you are, but you wouldn't consider that an ethnic property which is partly racial?
Cabra West
20-12-2005, 14:50
You're telling me "black" is an undisputed name to identify an ethnic group in English-speaking countries? :o Let's hope not.

An example opposed to yours: though the "race" names may be different, Europeans, Asians, and Native Americans share racial properties because their ancestors migrated from Africa in a later period than the ancestors of indigenous Australians (if at all it's true that Australians originated from Africa). So even if you consider "race" to be a valid property of the human species, you can't call Africans and Australians "the black race", and get away with it. I think you're taking a racist racial term here and use it to support your point. In that case, of course race is a social term, and I disapprove of it as much as you do.


Well, I'm a native German speaker, and in that language, you don't ever refer to humans in "races", that word is more or less reserved for different breeds of pets and animals.
So I find it kind of hard to use the same term in regards to humans. The only context I can understand it in is racial race.
Miss Holy See
20-12-2005, 15:12
Let's go...

I'm Discordian.

I'm a Communist.

I'm a girl. Yes, we are minority here.

I happen to have heterochromia iridium (this is, I have two different colors in one eye -- half blue and half hazel). Looks good. :cool:

People say I'm a goth.

I don't own a tv-set, 'cause I don't like watching tv.

I'm a space mutant, but don't tell anybody. :p
(ok, the last one is... hmm... arguable)
N Y C
20-12-2005, 15:21
Again, I'm surprised how easily races are identified by colours here. You're saying 'black' and 'white' are actually generally accepted terms to identify races? If so, I'm afraid that's a linguistic property of English. I'm starting to see why debate about it is so hideously precarious in the US... Now I'm of Jewish descent as you are, but you wouldn't consider that an ethnic property which is partly racial? As I said, I don't believe in races. Are those generally accepted terms. I can't say, but basically yes. I don't see how it ties in to "the debate". I believe I belong to an ethnic group, yes, but I have never felt that the fact I'm caucasian (which is also acceptable) plays a role in my identity. My Jewish heritage does, along with many other things, but race simply doesn't matter to me.

Interestingly, studies have shown we're all a little bit racist;) . People take longer to associate positive words with "black" than with "white". On a concious level, I pride myself on not giving a flying damn about someone's skin color, so take that white supremists!:)
Pergamor
20-12-2005, 15:23
Well, I'm a native German speaker, and in that language, you don't ever refer to humans in "races", that word is more or less reserved for different breeds of pets and animals.
So I find it kind of hard to use the same term in regards to humans. The only context I can understand it in is racial race.
Sorry for assuming you were Irish (I was fooled by your location). I'm a native speaker of Dutch (and only that), so we're linguistic neighbours. I can see your point, but maybe I consider the term "race" not necessarily racist. I don't mean to have offended anyone and hope I haven't but the term seems to be less of a taboo here. Anyhow, the terms "black" and "white" are considered quite offensive in our language, and one can count on being called racist for using them. Racists however often revert to shady interpretations of words like "ethnicity" and "culture" to get away with what they want to express.
The Similized world
20-12-2005, 15:23
I'm an Oi! Punker.

I'm in a relationship (on here, that's got to mean I'm part of a minority).

I'm an active Anti-Fascist.

I don't own a TV.

I'm not a tolerant person & I'm proud of it.

I'm of purer aryan descent than any bonehead I've ever heard of.

I love a good scrap.

I'm certain I can drink at least 90% of the NSers under the table.

And still get it up.
Melkor Unchained
20-12-2005, 20:36
I don't accept that. Nobody says "I am a minority". They say "I am a member of [insert minority group]." Of what minority group is the generic individual human?
Look at the responses in this thread; go on, take a minute to read some of them.

Done? Good.

You see what each and every poster is doing? They're offering up small samples of information about themselves in order to distinguish their individual from the larger mass of humanity. Many are mentioning very minute, almost inconsequential details, but they're important to them because it seperates them from the masses. "Generic individuals" do not exist, because the very definition of being an individual is one of being unique among the masses--whether that's through being colorblind, left-handed, gay, or not liking high heels on women. The spcific combination of minorities they invoke is meant to paint a picture--a picture of individuality. Few, if any other people on the planet share the poster's specific configurations of likes, dislikes, and physical habits and/or characteristics.

Every post here is a testament to the accuracy of my statements. Burying your head in the sand while whistling "Imagine" isn't going to change that from being the case. Feel free to not accept it all you want; it makes little difference to me [or the facts].

Typical Melkor arrogance! I understand your ideology pretty well. Despite being "individualist" you are an "orthodox objectivist", which pretty much means that you don't think for yourself, rather taking all your ideas from Ayn Rand.
Nice dig, and hey! It almost worked. Come back when you've got a real argument against Objectivism. The fact that I'm honest enough with myself to admit that I agree more or less with the whole of the philosophy is not a sufficient endictment of the philosophy itself, it merely means I ascribe to it and am not shy about saying so.

Also, a number of Rand's ideas occured to me at an early age [didn't you try this on me in another tread?]. The first such incident occured when I was seven years old reading Dinotopia, where an inscription on a wall somewhere contained the edict "Others first, Self last." My mind instantly conjured this image of an enormous watering hole with a large line of pseudosentient dinosaurs lined up in front of it. Each dinosaur, adhering to the edict, moved aside when his turn came and retreated to the rear of the line. Eventually, they all died of dehydration.

Great philosophers do not tell you how to think, they tell you what you already know. In the course of my experiences with Rand, she has changed my opinions on nothing.
Otares
21-12-2005, 00:21
Guys you can have this debate about race if you want but I think you are looking at it from two slightly different perspectives. Race as it relates to biology and race as it relates to society are two different arguments.

As for whether or not there is any scientific basis to refer to race, or more accurately ethnicity, greater minds than we are trying. With the new data coming in from the human genome project the cutting edge of science has taken up this debate again. See for yourself.

http://web.mit.edu/racescience/in_media/race_disease_nyt_july2002.htm
M3rcenaries
21-12-2005, 00:30
I was a stereotype-breaker in highschool, being both a football star, in choir, the male lead in the musical, in AP classes, and still rather "popular" or whatnot.

Find a bunch of people like that, eh?
Found a match for all but AP classes... the full back of my football team is in choir, drama , and is popular.
Argesia
21-12-2005, 00:40
I'm illiterate.
Pergamor
21-12-2005, 00:46
Guys you can have this debate about race if you want but I think you are looking at it from two slightly different perspectives.
I'm pretty sure we are, thank you for pointing that out.
Race as it relates to biology and race as it relates to society are two different arguments.
Exactly, so why was every single remark I posted here systematically made into a political or social statement even if I explicitly said it was not? I don't intend to be cannon fodder for badly targeted political correctness. Don't believe in race? Then don't believe in racism. Make the world a happy place.

Edit: that flame of course wasn't directed at you, Otares.
Otares
21-12-2005, 01:07
*shrugs*

Congratulations you have come under fire due to the unintended consequences of your actions. Quaint metaphors like “The road to hell is paved with good intentions.” can now be tossed into your face.

To be a bit kinder you are talking about a virtual construct. You perceive your subject as independent of other variables. To you the question and answer are both intrinsic to the subject. To your opponents it is a complex subject that affects many other aspects of life. Ceding you a point here would have far reaching ramifications and could possibly be seen as supporting something else entirely unintended. I am generalizing greatly here and could only speak definitively after you’ve both been psychoanalyzed but it would seem as if, my god, you are two different types of people.

If this argument is to be a productive one its scope needs to be defined, as it is simply drawing any and all ammunition right now. Think of it like you would high school physics. When you are calculating these little experiments real world variables are left in the mist. Things like the temperature of the air, wind speed, etc. When you arrive at your calculated answer you are technically correct. You would be hard pressed to reproduce it in an experiment in the back field though. There is a difference between the principle of the matter and the reality of it. Are you speaking practically or ‘truthfully’.

After scope the two of you need to decide why you are arguing. Is it to convince the other of your position, or is it to explore new ideas. If it is to convince the other I’d suggest you be careful of your tones, the other may not want to be convinced. This may seem trite but believe me willful blindness makes an interesting opponent. I will speak no further on this.

If you are looking to explore the thought more fully ask for explanations of points that confuse you. Lobbing the entirety of your arguments back and forth takes much effort and completes little. Come to the middle a bit, compare notes, and work through it until you have found why your perceptions are different. See if there are commanalities to your held opinions and explore those until divergence is reached. At that point explore the divergence and try to figure out why it has happened. Perhaps there is a variable you have not considered, or that they merely stress certain factors as more important than others.

To be honest whether or not race is a social concept or a biological one does not interest me that much. I just though I could offer up a bit of dove meat and olive branch ash to see if I might stop this before the thread was wholly hijacked, though you are not the only guilty parties so please do not think that I am saying so. As a last aside I realize that you alone should not be expected to take to heart the above. Contemplation, especially that which is offered above, is good for all people.
Pergamor
21-12-2005, 01:25
Methodology, yay. :D

You perceive your subject as independent of other variables.
Having never been able to know some of my ancestors due to the terrible effectiveness of nazi death camps, I'd say, hardly. I fully realise it's a precarious subject.

To be honest whether or not race is a social concept or a biological one does not interest me that much.
Actually, I think it's both, and I usually share your disinterest. Up to the point that I got told that race is not something you talk about, or something you're not even supposed to believe in. All I was saying is that it's there. It's fact. We're not going to get rid of racism by not acknowledging race.
New Genoa
21-12-2005, 02:25
If someone else said this already, I'll kill them. The minority I belong to is...

the individual.

w00t
Otares
21-12-2005, 03:44
Having never been able to know some of my ancestors due to the terrible effectiveness of nazi death camps, I'd say, hardly. I fully realise it's a precarious subject.


Well picture me grabbing hold of my collar and gulping. I don’t recant; I will however pull the white liberal guilt thing and try to be incredibly bumbling, apologetic, and politically correct.

For the purposes of this thread though you seemed to be able to debate it as a virtual construct, i.e. devoid of real world context. Please don’t misinterpret this as me poo-pooing your style, I use a similar one. In fact in this particular circumstance I would tend to side with your perception, though I would have to go through my aforementioned methodology and workout the details. The manner in which you, and I would have too in your situation, have approached this is in a dispassionate disembodied rational manner. I actually find conversations with people like you, who are invariably like me, very fruitful because while they mean very little to people who think differently they definitely give me a sort of intellectual gratification and ‘mental workout’.

As an aside if you were looking to ‘win’ your argument in a very provincial manner simply ask this series of questions:

As the human genome suffers random mutations over the course of generations would it not be safe to say that this random mutation accounts for a vast majority of the genetic difference in a human being and this is accounts for your argument about the genetic diversity between individuals in our supposed ‘race’? Is not this random mutation passed on to future generations, if it is not selected against? Were a specified group of people, related by geography and their isolation from new genetic material, to begin to exhibit these random mutations at a predictable level would they not no longer be random by definition? And while the vast majority of their genetic code would indeed still posses the diversity of which you spoke would they not have in common a pattern of genetics with an easily identifiable, by the standards of genetics, pattern? Would not this pattern within our specified group merit classification? Is then perhaps your repulsion to the classification of people via race based more on other factors as apposed to the scientific manner in which we now seek to use it?

That said what do I know, I have already the basis of an opinion forming and my have already cemented my bias.
The Xenion Empire
21-12-2005, 03:47
I can smell dead people:p
Enticement
21-12-2005, 04:20
white irish-buddhist
who can't drink beer or tea
living in texas
M3rcenaries
21-12-2005, 04:27
I'm an anarchist, now THAT is a minority group.
Also I'm becoming part-time squatter:p
Anarchism is a minority group becuase most people have come to their sense and realized it wouldnt work out.
Khodros
21-12-2005, 04:44
No, it's a genetic trait that differs in each single human being. Regarding that as a race is a very social thing indeed.

Apparently it's not even that, just a single base-pair mutation. One stupid misplaced guanine in the whole damn human genome and we get today's woes.
Nadkor
21-12-2005, 04:50
Male to female or female to male?

One of my oldest friends is female to male. He hasn't had the surgery yet, so still has most of his female bits (though he did loose his breasts to breast cancer, he saw it as sort of a mixed blessing). But even so, he and his wife got married here in the US many years ago, back before they asked what sex either spouse was on the licence. They've since closed that loophole. But as far as most officals are concerned, they are legally married. :D
Male to female.


Although, despite every fibre of my being yearning to, I haven't done anything about it, except for 'come out' to a few close friends, because I can't afford to be cut off from my parents...:(