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Well, the time has arrived for another pointless speech by Bush. Not only was something promised and not explained but. . .
1) This couldn't wait for the State of the Union? I mean really, must you remind us of such things? Do you think those who care don't read the news?

2)THE BASTARD INTERRUPTED FAMILY GUY! :mad: :headbang: :mad:

What You Missed in President Bush's Address to the Nation ...

If you watched the Bears-Falcons game last night on ESPN, you probably don't even know that President Bush addressed the nation on all the broadcast networks. So here's a brief synopsis of what you missed.

First, the President said that while he is aware his ESPN.com SportsNation approval rating has been plummeting in recent months, he does not concern himself with poll numbers.

Second, even though his fantasy football team, Dubya Trouble, is down more than 20 points in its playoff game this week and has only Ravens kicker Matt Stover left to play tonight, he will not admit defeat, nor will he cut and run. He said there is too much at stake. (Namely, the $500 that goes to the winner of the league he's in with all of his cabinet members called 43's Posse.)

And lastly, while the president didn't say this specifically, it was implied because his speech aired at 9 p.m. on the East Coast -- he is under the misconception that his various musings on world affairs are more important than "Family Guy" airing at its scheduled time.

Maaaan!!! Peter Griffin should have delivered the post-speech commentary. That'd be awesome!

Despite what FOX thinks, there is nothing more important than airing Family Guy at its scheduled time.

THE BASTARD INTERRUPTED FAMILY GUY! :mad: :headbang: :mad:


seriously. that pissed me off too. did anyone notice how much bush looks like a chimp???

YEAH another anti Bush/america/europe/christian/fill in something controversial thread we are really original guys! lets change some peoples minds with our opinions! ****BIIIIIIG YAWWWWN*****

yeah for sheep yeah!

Yeah- If he doesnt give a speech,hes bad, if he gives one hes bad.
I dont care.

seriously. that pissed me off too. did anyone notice how much bush looks like a chimp???

Stop insulting Chimps!

The President looks like a monkey! giggle giggle giggle. :rolleyes:




Go do your homework, children.

seriously i just cant even look at bush and consider him a leader without laughing. america is the most powerful nation in the world and we got magilla gorilla as president.

Another "I will put food on your family"-style speech... Bush has just as much IQ as a monkey fart :mad:
I'm sure even the Family Guy would've been able to do a much better speech.

seriously i just cant even look at bush and consider him a leader without laughing. america is the most powerful nation in the world and we got magilla gorilla as president.


actuly gorillas have hair on most there bodie like most mammles if you look at bush his arms neck and legs have little hair therefor not a gorilla GOD PEOPLE GET A BOOK! try reading it to..... any one who cant tell the differance between a chimp/gorilla and homosapian really has problems.

now marmasets those are hard to tell apart or was i thinking lemmor

The President looks like a monkey! giggle giggle giggle. :rolleyes:




Go do your homework, children.

they cant-they are busy text messaging their friends details from last night's "Family Guy" to prove they stayed up past their bed time.

I think this is the cross section of people polled for the President's approval ratings.

actuly gorillas have hair on most there bodie like most mammles if you look at bush his arms neck and legs have little hair therefor not a gorilla GOD PEOPLE GET A BOOK! try reading it to..... any one who cant tell the differance between a chimp/gorilla and homosapian really has problems.

now marmasets those are hard to tell apart or was i thinking lemmor


i'll get the book. you get the spellcheck.

i'll get the book. you get the spellcheck.


actuly English is my third spoken langege behind German and french so when you can learn more than one spoken tong than you can correct me. man you are very ignorant to think that every one hear speaks fluent english.

they cant-they are busy text messaging their friends details from last night's "Family Guy" to prove they stayed up past their bed time.

I think this is the cross section of people polled for the President's approval ratings.
Good possibility!

Meh ... I watched it ...

I heard a lot of the standard faire and the Charlie Brown adult "wah wah wah" voice, but one bit disturbed me a little. He mentioned something about our men and women fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan .... AND Southeast Asia and "other parts of the world".

Did we deploy some troops without anyone noticing? It got me thinking about how funny it would be if we'd been at war with Syria for the last 6 months and nobody noticed because everyone was too worried about the War on Christmas and Family Guy.

I can just see Bush ... "Oh, by the way folks, we pwned Syria."

seriously. that pissed me off too. did anyone notice how much bush looks like a chimp???
Just take a look at the pic here. In absolutely all cases, the guy on the right looks a lot smarter than the blithering idiot on the left! :D

(click thumbnail for big pic)
http://img436.imageshack.us/img436/1108/georgebushchimpanzee5hx.th.jpg (http://img436.imageshack.us/my.php?image=georgebushchimpanzee5hx.jpg)

they cant-they are busy text messaging their friends details from last night's "Family Guy" to prove they stayed up past their bed time.

I think this is the cross section of people polled for the President's approval ratings.

While I will admit that some of the Bush bashing has gone to the juvinile, for you to imply that all those opposed to Bush's move to a totalitarian government fall into that category is ludicrous. I was in the Army for four years, and most of my friends are in military intelligence. Not a single one of them approves of this mad grab for power. You all accuse the Bush bashers of being sheep, and a great many of them are, but I have yet to see a well reasoned argument defending his policies. It's funny how many people are buying the line that Iraq was even remotely involved in the 9-11 attacks. They were orchestrated by Bin Laden, who according to Bush is "no longer a priority" and most of the terrorists were Saudis. Syria and Saudi Arabia, among other countries give more money annually to terrorists than Iraq could ever afford, and IRAQ is the country we go after to fight terrorists? How dumb do you have to be to buy into that? That was all about settling a vendetta. There is a reason that Bush's father didn't go into Iraq during Desert Storm when we had a REAL coalition, and we're seeing it right now. War on Terror my ass. Congratulations America, you're well on your way to becoming a police state.

He mentioned something about our men and women fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan .... AND Southeast Asia and "other parts of the world".
Here (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/deploy.htm) are pretty recent deployment numbers.
But they arent completely correct, i just read up on Germany and it didnt mention the 2200+ soldiers we have there.

It would be funny and bordering on cute to watch the CONservatives froth about how much they like bush with no supporting reasons if the votes were counted properly on 2000. Now, though, it's scary. I find it difficult to understand how this "president" can garner support from people claiming to be the "common man", and "independant minded". The guy made people sign LOYALTY OATHS in order to to get into rallies and speeches for fuck sake! How is that supportable?

This is a honest querry. What do you (and by you I mean anyone who's making flippant remarks about how "uncool" liberals are) see as being good about this buttfucking of america we have going on right now?

Here (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/deploy.htm) are pretty recent deployment numbers.
But they arent completely correct, i just read up on Germany and it didnt mention the 2200+ soldiers we have there.

Yeah ... but are we *fighting* in Germany? The Germans must not be very happy about that.

Dear Santa,

All I want for Christmas is the Resignation of Bubba Dubya... The poor incompetent soul needs help that I am sure some sanitarium would happily provide. It is not his fault that he acts the Buffoon; He seems to really believe his delusions. Don Quixote is not to blame; we are for allowing this clown to continually send our Honorable men and women into harms way. Retire the Tyrant! (and his Vice-Chump too).

(Just my opinion) ;p

Love Conquers Fear

Mikeswill

What ever happened to the middle views?
I don't like the guy, but I'm not going to put down petty insults on him, or those who like him.

Facts; he screwed up the economy, led us into a war I don't think is right, and is seriously messing with the World Order.

In my opinion, those are reasons for me not to like him.

I'm not going to put down those who agree, I just want some reasonable answer to why someone would like him.

SO please, give me a reason, such as "I like what he did with the economy."

Give me a list of 3 good things he has done, thats all I want.

What ever happened to the middle views?
I don't like the guy, but I'm not going to put down petty insults on him, or those who like him.

Facts; he screwed up the economy, led us into a war I don't think is right, and is seriously messing with the World Order.

In my opinion, those are reasons for me not to like him.

I'm not going to put down those who agree, I just want some reasonable answer to why someone would like him.

SO please, give me a reason, such as "I like what he did with the economy."

Give me a list of 3 good things he has done, thats all I want.

"I like what he did with the economy."

"I like what he's doing in Iraq"

"I like what he's doing with free trade"

"I like the fact he's spent more money on poverty than any other President in history"

Hows that for starters?


Bt the way, just how has he screwed up the economy?

"I like what he did with the economy."

"I like what he's doing in Iraq"

"I like what he's doing with free trade"

"I like the fact he's spent more money on poverty than any other President in history"

Hows that for starters?

Alright, thats good.

Now, I can't argue with what he's done in Iraq, because thats more of a personal belief. But as for the economy, I completely feel that Bush has trashed it. With the prices of Gas so high, the unemployment rate elevated (though decreasing), I'm not sure I can agree that Bush has done anything good with the economy.

Could you explain what you like about Bush's economic policy?

I'll agree that he may have spent a good deal on poverty. However, the poverty rates with him in office are increasing. This may just be that Clinton's welfare plans (or lackthereof) are finally coming into place, and not working. However, it doesn't make Bush look good. Also, lower paying jobs are more common now, with many people (particularly my age,) having to go through extensive schooling just to land an average job.

As for free trade, I have yet to see any of these tarrifs go into place or be enforced.

http://www.issues2000.org/Celeb/George_W__Bush_Free_Trade.htm In fact, he repealed his steel tariff, and has not done anything to help the agricultural or manufacturing business in this nation. Although that is basically the opposite of what you've said, its vitally important for our economy. Who cares if things are less expensive, if no one has a job to buy anything?



And as to your edit on how he screwed up the economy, as I said, Gas prices, his ignorance of cheaper alternative fuel sources and the unemployment rate.

And as to your edit on how he screwed up the economy, as I said, Gas prices, his ignorance of cheaper alternative fuel sources and the unemployment rate.

The unemployment rate is 5%. That's lower than it was from 1974-2004, with the only exception being the years 1998-2000, and we all know what caused that...the bubble.

Gas prices aren't Bush's fault. Clinton made no significant effort whatsoever to expand our energy infrastructure in either petroleum or alternative. The only reason prices were cheap in the 1990's was because so much demand was destroyed by the collapse of the USSR and the Asian crisis.

http://www.issues2000.org/Celeb/Geor...Free_Trade.htm In fact, he repealed his steel tariff, and has not done anything to help the agricultural or manufacturing business in this nation. Although that is basically the opposite of what you've said, its vitally important for our economy. Who cares if things are less expensive, if no one has a job to buy anything?

Blatant innacuracy. Only 5% of the entire American workforce is even employed in manufacturing, so there is almost no effect on the labor market if service-sector growth is strong. And, salaried jobs pay better and are more productive.

If things are less expensive, companies and consumers can buy more. Buying more increases demand which increases employment. Free trade's productivity boosts and reigning in of inflation lead to stronger growth, more income, and higher living standards. Stronger worldwide growth also reduces the severity of recessions and increases employment through foreign investment.

If things are less expensive, companies and consumers can buy more. Buying more increases demand which increases employment. Free trade's productivity boosts and reigning in of inflation lead to stronger growth, more income, and higher living standards. Stronger worldwide growth also reduces the severity of recessions and increases employment through foreign investment.

My point is that with free trade, things are less expensive because they're being made elsewhere.

That in turn means that less jobs in general are available. Less manufacturing= less jobs to regulate manufacturing, etc. etc.
It cuts out a huge part of our economy that was formerly related to manufacturing, though considered white collar.

My point is that with free trade, things are less expensive because they're being made elsewhere.

That's the backbone of competition and by extension the entire economy. If you can produce the same product for less money and then sell it for a lower price, you will gain market share and make more money.

Even though it's cheaper doesn't mean there's any exploitation occuring; labor costs are cheaper in India or China, but at the same time less money can go a lot further than it can in the US.

That in turn means that less jobs in general are available. Less manufacturing= less jobs to regulate manufacturing, etc. etc.
It cuts out a huge part of our economy that was formerly related to manufacturing, though considered white collar.

No, it doesn't. Our economy hasn't been manufacturing centered since the 1950's, so that is no longer true.

Free trade increases flow of goods and services, which increases employment in the sectors that regulate and invest in that flow. Financial services, information technology, telecommunications, trade and transportation, business services, engineering, and dozens of other high-paying, high education sectors thrive on the strong growth in international trade fostered be liberalization.

YEAH another anti Bush/america/europe/christian/fill in something controversial thread we are really original guys! lets change some peoples minds with our opinions! ****BIIIIIIG YAWWWWN*****

yeah for sheep yeah!


How about you, I dunno, submit something else yourself then? You know, something fresh and original. Oh, you'd rather sit at home in your footie pajamas and criticize. I see. Well, carry on.

Free trade increases flow of goods and services, which increases employment in the sectors that regulate and invest in that flow. Financial services, information technology, telecommunications, trade and transportation, business services, engineering, and dozens of other high-paying, high education sectors thrive on the strong growth in international trade fostered be liberalization.

IT is not a safe haven anymore. As high speed global networking picks up, you no longer have to have technical talent around. You can have sys admins in cheaper countries doing the job.

R&D is setting up offshore.

Education is pretty crappy right now. The EE's we get applying for jobs in this company(a degree in EE is all you need) are woefully illequiped to do the job. We have to import people or set up offshore.

When China gets ramped up, the US is going to take it hard.....

That's the backbone of competition and by extension the entire economy. If you can produce the same product for less money and then sell it for a lower price, you will gain market share and make more money.

Even though it's cheaper doesn't mean there's any exploitation occuring; labor costs are cheaper in India or China, but at the same time less money can go a lot further than it can in the US.



No, it doesn't. Our economy hasn't been manufacturing centered since the 1950's, so that is no longer true.

Free trade increases flow of goods and services, which increases employment in the sectors that regulate and invest in that flow. Financial services, information technology, telecommunications, trade and transportation, business services, engineering, and dozens of other high-paying, high education sectors thrive on the strong growth in international trade fostered be liberalization.

Yes, but our government is in part here to regulate that sort of competition.
And I don't feel they're doing a good job of it...

And while labor is cheaper overseas, and less money can do more there, there is still the problem of money here. Because theres less money being made here (because of our jobs leaving overseas), theres less money here. Sure, it opens up a few jobs in the areas you mentioned, but they are nowhere near as numerous as manufacturing jobs once were, and far more difficult to find.

I have to disagree about the manufacturing comment. Although it may have begun to decline in the 1950's, I don't think our economy hasn't been centered around manufacturing for that long. Many of the older buildings in my towns; former mills etc. Just closed down ten or fifteen years ago; thats when the problem really began.



When China gets ramped up, the US is going to take it hard.....

I agree, and I don't particularly want to be here when it does.

Even though it seems like I'm part of a minority in saying this, I'll do it because I am republican and I have the balls to. Nothing pisses me off more than to see a bunch of people cower from voicing their opinion just because they are outnumbered. Anywho, I want to give George props for finally giving an unscripted and emotionally driven speech.
Yes he is a bad speech giver and I believe you are all right in that. So tell me though, how many of you guys are president and how many of you guys could get up in front of the nation and not piss your pants in nervousness. Not trying to step on any toes here, but lets give props to the man who did make it to office when the rest of us didn't. He did make it to presidency, which is something 99.6% of all americans, every four years, will never do.
One more thing,
Based on statistics, most of you never went out and voted...so maybe most of you should stop your bitching. lastly, we must remember that George was voted into presidency by us, the citizens. If you don't see it that way and you think he stole the popular vote and only won because of the college electoral vote, then consider this. He won that because we elected the officials who elected him into presidency on our behalf. We are responsible in either situation.

Even though it seems like I'm part of a minority in saying this, I'll do it because I am republican and I have the balls to. Nothing pisses me off more than to see a bunch of people cower from voicing their opinion just because they are outnumbered. Anywho, I want to give George props for finally giving an unscripted and emotionally driven speech.
Yes he is a bad speech giver and I believe you are all right in that. So tell me though, how many of you guys are president and how many of you guys could get up in front of the nation and not piss your pants in nervousness. Not trying to step on any toes here, but lets give props to the man who did make it to office when the rest of us didn't. He did make it to presidency, which is something 99.6% of all americans, every four years, will never do.
One more thing,
Based on statistics, most of you never went out and voted...so maybe most of you should stop your bitching. lastly, we must remember that George was voted into presidency by us, the citizens. If you don't see it that way and you think he stole the popular vote and only won because of the college electoral vote, then consider this. He won that because we elected the officials who elected him into presidency on our behalf. We are responsible in either situation.

I would have pal, except I'm not old enough. Believe me, from the time I'm 18 until I die, I will vote.

And your comment was exactly how I mentioned most "Conservative," comments are; stereotypical with nothing to back them up. Give me your reasons and then I'll be willing to debate it with you.

And I hold absolutely nothing against Bush for his inability to give speeches. Although its funny, pathetic at times, I realize how hard that can be. So I hold nothing against him for that...its all his political views that I feel are wacked. Look earlier in the forum to read about that.

Here (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/deploy.htm) are pretty recent deployment numbers.
But they arent completely correct, i just read up on Germany and it didnt mention the 2200+ soldiers we have there.
Huh? Your source seems to not be very reliable indeed.
Just look at the top where it states that there are more than 70,000+ soldiers stationed in Germany for NATO or whatever reasons (unless those guys moved to Iraq).
And Germany doesn't only have 600+ soldiers abroad, it's more than tenfold that number, including Afghanistan (ISAF), Operation Enduring Freedom (Naval operations off East African Coast), EUFOR (Balcans), KFOR (Kosovo), and others under UN mandate.

And indeed, they shouldn't have cancelled Family Guy for Soldier Boy...

Yeah ... but are we *fighting* in Germany? The Germans must not be very happy about that.
Something that could have been brought to my attention a little earlier!!!
Now, where's my Panzer?

So tell me though, how many of you guys are president and how many of you guys could get up in front of the nation and not piss your pants in nervousness.

I have been the President of a non-Profit with 300 employees, does that count?

As to giving a speech? I would have no problems. I used to give talks to a couple hundred people all the time. Staring at a camera would not phase me.

I guess its easier if you are those that like to hear your voice all the time. :p


Not trying to step on any toes here, but lets give props to the man who did make it to office when the rest of us didn't. He did make it to presidency, which is something 99.6% of all americans, every four years, will never do.

Sorry that silver spooned ass deserves nothing. Having daddy gave him the boost that we could never have. The fact his family is old politics helped as well.

Don't compare him with the chances of the average american.


One more thing,
Based on statistics, most of you never went out and voted...so maybe most of you should stop your bitching.

Actually I vote every election so I have the right to bitch all that I want.


lastly, we must remember that George was voted into presidency by us, the citizens. If you don't see it that way and you think he stole the popular vote and only won because of the college electoral vote, then consider this. He won that because we elected the officials who elected him into presidency on our behalf. We are responsible in either situation.

He wasn't voted in by me. I didn't vote for him. Don't blame me for what he does.

Just take a look at the pic here. In absolutely all cases, the guy on the right looks a lot smarter than the blithering idiot on the left! :D

(click thumbnail for big pic)
http://img436.imageshack.us/img436/1108/georgebushchimpanzee5hx.th.jpg (http://img436.imageshack.us/my.php?image=georgebushchimpanzee5hx.jpg)


such a great picture now my desktop background :D thanks


btw now they're talkin about people wanting to put bush on trial for the whol "spying" thing. all I have to say is: he may be president, but he does not have absolute power. to not go through the courts to do this is illegal. And in a world of scandals Dubya should really be watching his ass.

IT is not a safe haven anymore. As high speed global networking picks up, you no longer have to have technical talent around. You can have sys admins in cheaper countries doing the job.
R&D is setting up offshore.

It's not a safe haven by any stretch, but the worst is probably over simply because the return on investment of outsourcing is narrowing rapidly. What will likely happen will be the decline of US-offshoring and a rise in native Indian talent rather than a mass migration of our jobs to India.

Education is pretty crappy right now. The EE's we get applying for jobs in this company(a degree in EE is all you need) are woefully illequiped to do the job. We have to import people or set up offshore.

That's one of the problems facing the US; thankfully, however, Silicon Valley has done an increasingly better job of pressuring Congress to pass initiatives in math, science and engineering along with improving the R&D tax cut. If we refocus our efforts nationwide like we did in the 1960's, it will pay off big time.

I think the worst is over, but there's still going to be rough patches at least until the next big technology comes along...whenever it does. The aftermath of the bubble is just so damaging that I think psychological recovery will take a longer time than the technological or economic.

When China gets ramped up, the US is going to take it hard.....

We might, depending on how whether we work with China in loosening its markets and currency and normalize trade relations. To a large degree China has had some unfair manipulation of its currency that has bloated our trade deficit and artificially deflated labor costs. If we gradually remove that, it may become far more beneficial for both nations.

Yes, but our government is in part here to regulate that sort of competition. And I don't feel they're doing a good job of it...

No, they really aren't. Although we've made progress in free trade, many countries like India and China still distort the manufactuing market with currency manipulation and protectionism, which place us at a disadvantage regardless of merit. Free trade has to be free for its benefits to work, but unfortunately our government caves in to political influence rather than actually liberalize multilaterally.

And while labor is cheaper overseas, and less money can do more there, there is still the problem of money here. Because theres less money being made here (because of our jobs leaving overseas), theres less money here. Sure, it opens up a few jobs in the areas you mentioned, but they are nowhere near as numerous as manufacturing jobs once were, and far more difficult to find.

They're more difficult to find because a lot of people in manufacturing don't have the qualifications for them. These areas have seen explosive growth in the past decade, but people are shut out of them because they don't have the opportunity in the first place. They're plentiful if you've got the skills, but one of the areas in which our government has failed is in providing retraining for displaced or laid-off workers. As a result, a lot of communities that could do well were ruined by plant closures simply because there was nothing for the workers after they lost their jobs.

I have to disagree about the manufacturing comment. Although it may have begun to decline in the 1950's, I don't think our economy hasn't been centered around manufacturing for that long. Many of the older buildings in my towns; former mills etc. Just closed down ten or fifteen years ago; thats when the problem really began.

That's why retraining is necessary; the overall economy isn't hurt, but many small towns are ruined because they don't have an alternative. There are jobs, but the people who need them in these places can't get them because they either can't afford or can't get the training or degree necessary to reestablish themselves and their communities. Our government has failed entirely in that regard.

While I will admit that some of the Bush bashing has gone to the juvinile, for you to imply that all those opposed to Bush's move to a totalitarian government fall into that category is ludicrous. I was in the Army for four years, and most of my friends are in military intelligence. Not a single one of them approves of this mad grab for power. You all accuse the Bush bashers of being sheep, and a great many of them are, but I have yet to see a well reasoned argument defending his policies. It's funny how many people are buying the line that Iraq was even remotely involved in the 9-11 attacks. They were orchestrated by Bin Laden, who according to Bush is "no longer a priority" and most of the terrorists were Saudis. Syria and Saudi Arabia, among other countries give more money annually to terrorists than Iraq could ever afford, and IRAQ is the country we go after to fight terrorists? How dumb do you have to be to buy into that? That was all about settling a vendetta. There is a reason that Bush's father didn't go into Iraq during Desert Storm when we had a REAL coalition, and we're seeing it right now. War on Terror my ass. Congratulations America, you're well on your way to becoming a police state.

Justification for deposing Saddam: Saddam was an evil dictator who had thousands of Iraqis killed or tortured.

Justification for the Patriot Act: national security

Justification for the NSA listening in on phone calls of supposed terrorists: national security (we can far better enjoy the bill of rights if we're alive... besides, I highly doubt the NSA is listening in on my phone calls to my mom or to your phone calls to your Uncle Bill. hehe)

Justification for Afghanistan: Terrorist ties, the Taliban

Justification for the War on Terror (overall): Terrorists threaten our lives and our way of life


How many more 9/11s would we have suffered without the Patriot Act? How many terrorist plots have been snuffed out because of the heightened security of the past few years? Terrorists won't stop hating us if we just leave them alone.

Congratulations America, you're well on your way to becoming a police state.

truer words have never been spoken.

Justification That I'm a moron- My previous post.


There you have it folks.

There you have it folks.
I'm 'on your side,' so to speak, but that was lame.

Even though it seems like I'm part of a minority in saying this, I'll do it because I am republican and I have the balls to. Nothing pisses me off more than to see a bunch of people cower from voicing their opinion just because they are outnumbered. Anywho, I want to give George props for finally giving an unscripted and emotionally driven speech.
Wait, seriously-you think that was off the cuff?
Yes he is a bad speech giver and I believe you are all right in that. So tell me though, how many of you guys are president and how many of you guys could get up in front of the nation and not piss your pants in nervousness. Not trying to step on any toes here, but lets give props to the man who did make it to office when the rest of us didn't. He did make it to presidency, which is something 99.6% of all americans, every four years, will never do.
No, this is not a defence. The bulk of the job of the presidency is to communicate. It is his job and if he is not good at it he should be critisized. "You couldn't do it" is not a defense. 40 some odd presidents before him could.
One more thing,
Based on statistics, most of you never went out and voted...so maybe most of you should stop your bitching. lastly, we must remember that George was voted into presidency by us, the citizens. If you don't see it that way and you think he stole the popular vote and only won because of the college electoral vote, then consider this. He won that because we elected the officials who elected him into presidency on our behalf. We are responsible in either situation.
Wrong crowd. Think it through. This is a political discussion board, filled with politically active people. So the sample group is skewed and the people that could vote here are likely to have voted. I don't remember voting as being a requirement of free speech, which is put in place to protect the right to critisize, especially elected officials weither it's through popular vote or electoral college.

OH

did bush have a speech last night? i guess i missed it

hmmm

i wonder if it was on while i was in gamestop buying a few really great video games for christmas or while i was watching the new king kong movie at the theater....

what a shame.

OH

did bush have a speech last night? i guess i missed it

hmmm

i wonder if it was on while i was in gamestop buying a few really great video games for christmas or while i was watching the new king kong movie at the theater....

what a shame.

it's okay you didn't miss much.

Meh ... I watched it ...

I heard a lot of the standard faire and the Charlie Brown adult "wah wah wah" voice, but one bit disturbed me a little. He mentioned something about our men and women fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan .... AND Southeast Asia and "other parts of the world".

Did we deploy some troops without anyone noticing? It got me thinking about how funny it would be if we'd been at war with Syria for the last 6 months and nobody noticed because everyone was too worried about the War on Christmas and Family Guy.

Yea, we have troops in the Phillipines helping to take down the muslim rebels that are there and I'm sure we have special ops going on around the world that we'll never hear about.

I can just see Bush ... "Oh, by the way folks, we pwned Syria."

Yep. Just like he said that the Elections in Iraq were historic. I guess you didn't know Iraq had their elections?

What ever happened to the middle views?
I don't like the guy, but I'm not going to put down petty insults on him, or those who like him.

Big of you

Facts; he screwed up the economy, led us into a war I don't think is right, and is seriously messing with the World Order.

Screwed up the Economy? False. The economy was actually screwed under Bill Clinton. The Corporate Scandles were taking place under his very nose.

And the other two are your opinions and I wn't do anything with them because I do respect other people's opinions when stated politely.

In my opinion, those are reasons for me not to like him.

And I'll respect your opinions.

I'm not going to put down those who agree, I just want some reasonable answer to why someone would like him.

See below

SO please, give me a reason, such as "I like what he did with the economy."

Beefing up the military instead of downgrading it as Clinton did. Actually thinking about National Security. Actually doing something about Terrorism.

Give me a list of 3 good things he has done, thats all I want.

Beefed up the Military
National Security
Fighting Terrorism

Screwed up the Economy? False. The economy was actually screwed under Bill Clinton. The Corporate Scandles were taking place under his very nose.


Ahh the Clinton did it defense.

Where were all the Republicans fighting him over this?


Beefing up the military instead of downgrading it as Clinton did.

Ahh but you left out the fact he digitised it as Thundercloud (or was it bird) once told you.


Actually thinking about National Security.

Too bad those "angry militant librarians"


Actually doing something about Terrorism.


Ok Afghanistan? Sure. Too bad he didn't finish the job.

Iraq? Ok where was the terrorist threat to the US and where were those nukes he told us about?

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Yep. Just like he said that the Elections in Iraq were historic. I guess you didn't know Iraq had their elections?

Sure they were historic in the fact they happened.

However, the lasting effect is in question. They could very well go theocracy in the Iranian style.

I think in the end Iraq will use it's newly found gov't to destroy america...

but not for a while

Screwed up the Economy? False. The economy was actually screwed under Bill Clinton. The Corporate Scandles were taking place under his very nose.


Ugg... WHY ON EARTH DO CONSEVITIVES BLAME CLINTON FOR EVEY THING!?!?!

Clinton messed up the economy up. Clinton let the terrorists in. Clinton caused cancer, Clinton was Hitler & Stalin at the same time!!!
GRAHHHH!!!!!! : headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

Sorry going to a work place full of Clinton haters dose this to you...

One neither president messed up the economy, I hate to break it to you but no president has a magic wand that can fix stock fallings (or raise labor prices in china)
While I think bush's 'less taxes more war' war policy is going to screw us but I'm not going to try and enter a political debate because of that

Clinton was horny get over it. (That’s far from the worst thing he did)

And as a note the same scandals were happening under bushes nose for quite a time before our CEO friends were caught (and last time I checked bush didn't have anything to do with them being caught).

P.S. I’m not trying to offend any one here just venting, I really don't care what you think I'm just sick and tiered of people blaming one person (yes that includes bush) for all the worlds problems
An I choose that comment because apparently today was blame Clinton for everything day at my work.
so if I offended you Corneliu(or any who hates bill Clinton) I'm sorry but he is not evil incarnate

I'm sorry but he is not evil incarnate


That's true! That title belongs to Barney! Purple bastard!

Everytime a conservative blames Clinton, an angel gets its wings.

Everytime a conservative blames Clinton, an angel gets its wings.

Jesus Christ there must be a lot of angles up there! :D

Justification for deposing Saddam: Saddam was an evil dictator who had thousands of Iraqis killed or tortured.

Justification for deposing Saddam: "He's going Gas, Germ and Nuke America in 48 hours unless we invade Eye-raq now!!" Then "Eye-raq has WMDs!!" After that was proven to be false, "Saddam was an evil, evil man who was oppressing and torturing his own people!!" Nevermind that until he mistakenly invaded Kuwait under a supposed green light from April Glaspie, he'd been oppresssing and torturing his own people while Uncle Sam gladly looked the other way.

Justification for the Patriot Act: national security

Justification for the PATRIOT Act: "Let's take advantage of the 9-11 tragedy and slip this past everyone. We'll say it's to help fight terrorism but if we can use it to expand government powers and lessen accountability, why not?"

Justification for the NSA listening in on phone calls of supposed terrorists: national security (we can far better enjoy the bill of rights if we're alive... besides, I highly doubt the NSA is listening in on my phone calls to my mom or to your phone calls to your Uncle Bill. hehe)

Justification for the NSA surveillance: "We'll listen to every Ay-rab and Eye-raqi and all them other towelheads and maybe they'll talk about blowing stuff up so we can nail them."

Justification for Afghanistan: Terrorist ties, the Taliban

Justifiation for Afghanistan: Bin Ladin hid in Afghanistan, Mullah Omar ignored the advice of his own council and kept him there. Well deserved. Only problem is that the rebuilding and restructuring of Afghanistan wasn't even a half-ass done before Bush drove off on the Get Saddam bandwagon. Most of Afghanistan outside of Kabul is still Warlord Lands, and the Taliban are making a comeback.

Justification for the War on Terror (overall): Terrorists threaten our lives and our way of life

Justification for the "War on Terror": Since unlike a war against a specific nation, there is no defined end against a concept or noun, wartime powers can be technically maintained indefinitely.

How many more 9/11s would we have suffered without the Patriot Act? How many terrorist plots have been snuffed out because of the heightened security of the past few years? Terrorists won't stop hating us if we just leave them alone.

On the other hand, the ill treatment of Muslims especially because of the PATRIOT Act and similar expansion of government powers only hands the terrorists a coup because it plays into their pitchline that the United States hates Islam. In addition, the occupation of Iraq and the potential threat against Iran fuels the terrorists' recruitment drives, gives them more public sympathy, and also gives them a proving ground where they can perfect tactics that will be used against American soil eventually.

The only reason the United States hasn't suffered another 9-11 is because Bin Ladin doesn't need to strike there again for now. The real opportunities are practically everywhere else in the world as proven by the bombings in Bali, Madrid, London and God knows wherever next.

"I like what he did with the economy."

You like big government spending, bureaucracy, tax cuts for the top one percent, corporate socialism ("corporate welfare"), and increasing the national deficit? You EVEN like how our tax dollars are spent on thriving corporations like Westinghouse electric company (to name one [look it up])?

"I like what he's doing in Iraq"

What is 'He' doing in Iraq?

"I like what he's doing with free trade"

What is 'He' doing with 'free trade'?

"I like the fact he's spent more money on poverty than any other President in history"

Where on Earth did you get that idea?