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After watching America descend into madness during the last five years of Bush's presidency and the unprecedented powers that Bush has acquired for the Presidency of America I just have to ask.

Is George Bush in an active conspiracy to overthrow our democratic system and install himself as King?

Notice how angry he was at the revelation that he has been SPYING on Americans since 9/11 in a blatant abuse of power.

Notice how when each excuse to invade Iraq is debunked (They Had WMD!, Saddam had connections to 9/11, etc.) Bush spin doctors just invent another and rave and rant and foam at the mouth about it until a new one is needed.

Notice how few interviews and press conferences in which the Almighty Leader is QUESTIONED by reporters without being given a list of the questions that will be asked beforehand.

Notice how Orwellian Bush's laws and bills have become, "Clear Skies Initiate" that doesn't clear up anything, "The Patriot Act" that is the most UNpatriotic thing I have ever seen. Slavery is NOT Freedom, and Bush is becoming a psychotic despot.

DOWN WITH THE DESPOT!
IMPEACH HIS A$$!

Who wouldn't want to be a despot?

After watching America descend into madness during the last five years of Bush's presidency and the unprecedented powers that Bush has acquired for the Presidency of America I just have to ask.

Is George Bush in an active conspiracy to overthrow our democratic system and install himself as King?

Notice how angry he was at the revelation that he has been SPYING on Americans since 9/11 in a blatant abuse of power.

Notice how when each excuse to invade Iraq is debunked (They Had WMD!, Saddam had connections to 9/11, etc.) Bush spin doctors just invent another and rave and rant and foam at the mouth about it until a new one is needed.

Notice how few interviews and press conferences in which the Almighty Leader is QUESTIONED by reporters without being given a list of the questions that will be asked beforehand.

Notice how Orwellian Bush's laws and bills have become, "Clear Skies Initiate" that doesn't clear up anything, "The Patriot Act" that is the most UNpatriotic thing I have ever seen. Slavery is NOT Freedom, and Bush is becoming a psychotic despot.

DOWN WITH THE DESPOT!
IMPEACH HIS A$$!


Yeah, FDR never did anything of the sort. :rolleyes:

Are you for real?

This is exactly why I believe in Anarcho-syndicalism.

I've said this before...

We had a revolution to get away from the last George that thought he was appointed by god...

This is exactly why I believe in Anarcho-syndicalism.

and that is why I don't believe in democracy :p

Bush? No. He's too stupid. Keep an eye on Cheney though...

Yeah, FDR never did anything of the sort. :rolleyes:

Are you for real?

Ahhh another FDR hater. Unless you are Roach. Ok I will bite. Let's hear it.

No, he's far from it, because the media actually questions him and investigates him. Back in the 1960's, under the Democrats and in the 1950's under the Republicans media and government went hand in hand so all of those unpleasant things the CIA and military were doing went unheard of because the government more or less controlled the media. Things were a lot less free in that regard than they are now under Bush.

Ahhh another FDR hater. Unless you are Roach. Ok I will bite. Let's hear it.

You do remember that FDR put American citizens in "relocation" camps, right? Since when did Bush place thousands of US Muslims in camps?

King? No too obvious. People would never accept it if he took the title.

Ahhh another FDR hater. Unless you are Roach. Ok I will bite. Let's hear it.

FDR created the internment camps through an executive order, which means he didn't need Congressional approval. He also tried to pack the Supreme Court to force through the New Deal legislation.

That doesn't mean I hate FDR, but he did do things more authoritarian than Bush.

This is exactly why I believe in Anarcho-syndicalism.

Anarcho-syndicalism is the death of progress in the name of the common man.

The common man isn't worth killing progress for.

American politics are not now, nor have they ever been as free as people claim. The US government has never been kosher in the way people dream they are. Power is distributed almost randomly to people who may or may not be absolute idiots, or alter things to simply increase their own power.

Go figure.

You do remember that FDR put American citizens in "relocation" camps, right? Since when did Bush place thousands of US Muslims in camps?

Have you heard of a place called Guatanamo Bay?

The problem with impeaching him is that I don't think we have enough grounds to. Stupidity and spying are not enough to fire someone. I agree that we do need a change of presidents, but who is a good replacement? John Kerry? Al Gore?

The Patriot Act bites the big one and should die a terrible death at the end of this month. It is such a serious broach of our rights that even if it's not being abused now, it's setting what I like to call a precedent.

But again, we don't have much grounds for impeachment. I am getting pretty tired with his crap though.

You do remember that FDR put American citizens in "relocation" camps, right? Since when did Bush place thousands of US Muslims in camps?

Yes. The Shrub couldn't because people would not go for a round up of such scale just because of what happened to the Japanese. The evil PC attitutudes get in the way.

Yet Shrub has a policy to move people around Europe for "interegation" purposes.

Did FDR ever say Geneva has no play in his time?

How much torture did FDR's people employ?

King? No too obvious. People would never accept it if he took the title.

he wouldn't be King he would be Emperor

the empire of America will exploit lesser nations citizens such as Mexico where millions of people will be forced to work as slaves eventually the American empire will spread across the globe under the guise of freedom its neighbour Canada will do the same only to a lesser extent mainly focusing on Quebec....wait a minuet!

the empire of America will exploit lesser nations citizens such as Mexico where millions of people will be forced to work as slaves eventually the American empire will spread across the globe under the guise of freedom its neighbour Canada will do the same only to a lesser extent mainly focusing on Quebec....wait a minuet!

As it should be. Time to just say "hell with it" and go on a good old-fashioned conquering spree.

"The Republic will be reorganized in to the first American Empire..."

Have you heard of a place called Guatanamo Bay?



Yeah. The vast majority of the detainees there are not US Citizens. Nice try though.

The American empire, Canada and a few others will fight a war with a small nation looking for power in Korea a non-moving line will be made that will not be broken because of inferior tactics used by the leaders

FDR created the internment camps through an executive order, which means he didn't need Congressional approval. He also tried to pack the Supreme Court to force through the New Deal legislation.

That doesn't mean I hate FDR, but he did do things more authoritarian than Bush.

Well you are comparing a man who has had time to have his orders and actions investigated and reviewed.

The Shrub is rather secretive as everything seems to involve national security. For example, have the PDBs been released to back his claims about 9/11?

Ahh stack the court? It's funny how that term comes up when people don't like something. Hmmmm isn't the shrub trying to "stack the court" as we speak? ;)


New Deal is what it was and it served it's purpose. Talk to people that lived during it's time.

It's funny the descriptions people use. I always like how the politicians say "tossing money" at education and the "allocate funds" to the military.

he wouldn't be King he would be Emperor

the empire of America will exploit lesser nations citizens such as Mexico where millions of people will be forced to work as slaves eventually the American empire will spread across the globe under the guise of freedom its neighbour Canada will do the same only to a lesser extent mainly focusing on Quebec....wait a minuet!

Ahh Sarcasm! :D Yes I did turn the dial on today. ;)

Yeah. The vast majority of the detainees there are not US Citizens. Nice try though.

Ahh and Gitmo was used for what? Doding US laws?

Hmmmm the shrub is looking more and more like FDR isn't he?

For Christ's sake, calm down. If anything, the fact that USA PATRIOT just got shot down in the Senate proves that we are starting to correct the mistakes we made...now for all that pesky deficit spending.

Yes. The Shrub couldn't because people would not go for a round up of such scale just because of what happened to the Japanese. The evil PC attitutudes get in the way.

Yet Shrub has a policy to move people around Europe for "interegation" purposes.

Did FDR ever say Geneva has no play in his time?

How much torture did FDR's people employ?

How much spying did FDR let Hoovers' FBI commit?

Ahh and Gitmo was used for what? Doding US laws?

Hmmmm the shrub is looking more and more like FDR isn't he?

Are you for real?

How much spying did FDR let Hoovers' FBI commit?

Declared War allows for such abuses now doesn't it?

Hmmm how much did Ike allow?

Hmmm how many Presidents after FDR allowed him to do that?

Hey didn't the "evil biased liberal" news have an article or two about the shrub having the FBI doing "investigations" on people and organizations in this country?

Well you are comparing a man who has had time to have his orders and actions investigated and reviewed. The Shrub is rather secretive as everything seems to involve national security. For example, have the PDBs been released to back his claims about 9/11?

I don't know if they have been. Bush's actions are going to be investigated, so I would imagine he's going to get the same review as FDR did at some point in time.

Ahh stack the court? It's funny how that term comes up when people don't like something. Hmmmm isn't the shrub trying to "stack the court" as we speak? ;)

At least Bush hasn't tried to actually increase the size of the court to fill with cronies, er, appointees...yet.


New Deal is what it was and it served it's purpose. Talk to people that lived during it's time.

It's funny the descriptions people use. I always like how the politicians say "tossing money" at education and the "allocate funds" to the military.

The New Deal didn't really help the economy until after the Depression ended. What FDR did was build up the infrastructure and improve our transportation network, which undoubtedly played a part in the economic boom of the 1950's. I'd say that FDR's program was one of the most useful when it came to full-scale modernization of the US infrastructure, rivaled by pretty much nothing else except the interstate highway program under Eisenhower. That's why the economy took off after the war, even though there were so many problems caused by the demobilization of the armed forces.

Eisenhower sold the interstate highway program as a defensive network, so I guess his program had its funds "allocated" while FDR "tossed money at the problem".;)

His policy was, in retrospect, a forward looking program that mitigated the worst effects of the Depression but was really going to have its major effects after it ended.

No, he's far from it, because the media actually questions him and investigates him. Back in the 1960's, under the Democrats and in the 1950's under the Republicans media and government went hand in hand so all of those unpleasant things the CIA and military were doing went unheard of because the government more or less controlled the media. Things were a lot less free in that regard than they are now under Bush.
It is funny that everyone seems to have conveniently forgotten how the anti-Vietnam war activists were spied upon by the government. Mostly by the Democratic government of LBJ, right you guys?

Are you for real?

Are you for real?

Are you for real?
Am I for real? :)

Oh boy another Anti Bush or anti American or anti christian or anti Europe thread....

real original guys........


Besides America will never be an empire or a kingdom... what you guys dont understand is that GW is not in charge... The borg queen is. We have been asimilated as will you.. Lower your shields and prepare to be boarded resistance is futile.... Oh my but i have said to much.... LONG LIVE THE COLLECTIVE!!!

It is funny that everyone seems to have conveniently forgotten how the anti-Vietnam war activists were spied upon by the government. Mostly by the Democratic government of LBJ, right you guys?

Nixon did his share too I belive.

Nixon did his share too I belive.
Damn those Republicrats! Has anybody noticed that a Libertarian administration has *never* resorted to these tactics? :p
Obviously, because we've never been voted into power! Other than Ron Paul of course

It is funny that everyone seems to have conveniently forgotten how the anti-Vietnam war activists were spied upon by the government. Mostly by the Democratic government of LBJ, right you guys?


Correctamundo!! 3pts from the corner, count it.

Are you for real?


Yes.

BTW I just love your ham, are you from Boars Head?

Nixon did his share too I belive.
Of course he did. That's where this whole domestic spying thing really broke into the open. My only point is that Bush isn't the first and certainly won't be the last President to abuse civil liberties. We aren't going to be able to prevent it, because it depends on the character of the man we elect. Nixon spied on his 'enemies', Bush spies on 'our' enemies. All we can do is cry BS when we see it.

""King" George Bush Jr.?"

You're seriously in need of a headspace and timing check. As well ask if Lincoln was trying to set himself up as "King." After all, he arrogated far, far more powers during his term of office than Bush has even imagined claming.

Get real.

""King" George Bush Jr.?"

You're seriously in need of a headspace and timing check. As well ask if Lincoln was trying to set himself up as "King." After all, he arrogated far, far more powers during his term of office than Bush has even imagined claming.

Get real.
Never saw that phrase before. Is that the way you say 'get a grip on reality' in infantry-speak? I guess I've talked about getting my gyros caged before.

Never saw that phrase before. Is that the way you say 'get a grip on reality' in infantry-speak? I guess I've talked about getting my gyros caged before.
Mmm, gyros...probably not the type you're talking about tho :D

""King" George Bush Jr.?"

You're seriously in need of a headspace and timing check. As well ask if Lincoln was trying to set himself up as "King." After all, he arrogated far, far more powers during his term of office than Bush has even imagined claming.

Get real.

Jesus, Lincoln took away habeas corpus and arrested the Maryland gov't to keep it in the Union. He also restricted the press and conscripted troops. At least he reinstated everything like FDR.
George Washington set the best precedent. And Andrew Jackson.

""King" George Bush Jr.?"

You're seriously in need of a headspace and timing check. As well ask if Lincoln was trying to set himself up as "King." After all, he arrogated far, far more powers during his term of office than Bush has even imagined claming.

Get real.

That is true but he did it in an emergency that threatened to destroy the entire U.S. Our current president says he's doing it to protect us, but it doesn't seem that way from how I look at it. Plus, Lincoln gave us back our rights after we won. At the current time, we are in a never ending war and although things may calm down, the next president, or even Mr. Bush may not ever give us back the rights that were taken away from us with the coming of the Patriot Act.

Also, people criticized old Abe back when he was president too, until he suspended that right too of course. It just seems right now that our current president is giving himself way too much power, which is true, and seems to be ready to make that lunge towards no democracy, in which case of course, we can revolt against him.

Never saw that phrase before. Is that the way you say 'get a grip on reality' in infantry-speak?
Heh! It's from the requirement to have certain weapons, such as the .50 cal machinegun, checked periodically to insure the timing of the chambering of rounds is correct, and to insure that there is necessary space between the reciever group and the firing mechanism to cause the round to actually fire. Failure to do this properly may result in either a misfire or jam ... or worse!

Having a misfire or jam can ruin your entire day, just as having a brain-fart can ruin a perfectly good mind. :D

Meh ... I was anti-Bush when being anti-Bush wasn't cool.

Nice to see more and more people catching up with me.

Meh ... I was anti-Bush when being anti-Bush wasn't cool.

Nice to see more and more people catching up with me.

I've been anti-Bush since the 2000 "elections" in which Bush was appointed to the presidency by the Supreme Court.

I've been anti-Bush since the 2000 "elections" in which Bush was appointed to the presidency by the Supreme Court.

I've been anti-Bush since his gubernatorial victory over Anne Richards. :p

I've been anti-Bush since the 2000 "elections" in which Bush was appointed to the presidency by the Supreme Court.

I've been anti-Democrat since LBJ and anti-Republican since 1976.

I've been anti-Bush since the 2000 "elections" in which Bush was appointed to the presidency by the Supreme Court.

Bush won no matter what. Multiple newspapers and universities conducted recounts and found he won regardless of the recount. Gore wasn't exactly honest either; he only wanted recounts in the counties he could win, effectively hand-picking which votes were valid to be recounted and which wern't.

Bush won no matter what. Multiple newspapers and universities conducted recounts and found he won regardless of the recount. Gore wasn't exactly honest either; he only wanted recounts in the counties he could win, effectively hand-picking which votes were valid to be recounted and which wern't.

I think I'm going to agree with Pumba on this one and say, "You gotta put your past in your behind."

I've been anti-Democrat since LBJ and anti-Republican since 1976.
I've been anti-Republicrat since fall 2004 - a little later than you, but granted I'm a teen.

Meh ... I was anti-Bush when being anti-Bush wasn't cool.

Nice to see more and more people catching up with me.
If people keep moving against him, very soon I think I shall become a (probably the last one left) pro-Bush N4Z1. I enjoy an argument best when my side is completely indefensible.

So you people finally realized the New World order conspiracy. Took you long enough.

I've been anti-Republicrat since fall 2004 - a little later than you, but granted I'm a teen.

As if you know anything anyway. ;)

Meh ... I was anti-Bush when being anti-Bush wasn't cool.

Nice to see more and more people catching up with me.
Some of us are able to oppose certain policies and actions without condemning the person. Some of us can even support other policies and actions by that same person. I know that requires critical thought that's beyond the ability of liberals.

Some of us are able to oppose certain policies and actions without condemning the person. Some of us can even support other policies and actions by that same person. I know that requires critical thought that's beyond the ability of liberals.

Conservatives capable of critical thinking... HA!

You've followed "The Leader" in perfect lockstep for FOUR AND A HALF YEARS WITHOUT QUESTION!!! At least until Harriet Myers wanted to be a Supreme Court Justice...

Conservatives capable of critical thinking... HA!

You've followed "The Leader" in perfect lockstep for FOUR AND A HALF YEARS WITHOUT QUESTION!!! At least until Harriet Myers wanted to be a Supreme Court Justice...


actuly conservatives are not always republicans.... Though im sure that is way over your head.. And dont talk about lockstep followers... the democrats are just as bad.... I would give it all if only people would wake up and realize that both parties are flawed... but that is a little bit above the average mans thoughts.. to bad enlightenment is not really a bad thing.

After watching America descend into madness during the last five years of Bush's presidency and the unprecedented powers that Bush has acquired for the Presidency of America I just have to ask.
Firstly, I rather doubt that Bush is doing anything that hasn't been done before. Things like this happen.
Secondly, Why are you placing the blame on Bush? He doesn't have all the power, you know. Our Congress votes on these things too. And you can't even lay the blame on the Republicans alone either, as some Democrats in Congress seemed just as ready to support the PATRIOT Act and such.
And lastly, what's all this about "madness"? My life really hasn't changed a great deal yet, and it appears that the US isn't being run all too differently. Dissidents aren't being rounded up and shot or anything.

I think you're overreacting a bit.

EDIT:
Not to say that I haven't overreacted a bit elsewhere on this forum.
*coughs and furtively hides a certain post*

Conservatives capable of critical thinking... HA!

You've followed "The Leader" in perfect lockstep for FOUR AND A HALF YEARS WITHOUT QUESTION!!! At least until Harriet Myers wanted to be a Supreme Court Justice...
And my point is made.

Anti-GOP as long as I can remember...
Okay, it isn't like the Democrats are always that much better, but given the choice between bad.. and much, much worse..

I hate arrogant people in power, and that is what Bush is. He can never do any wrong, and his "you're with us or against us" is a total turn off.

Firstly, I rather doubt that Bush is doing anything that hasn't been done before. Things like this happen.
Secondly, Why are you placing the blame on Bush? He doesn't have all the power, you know. Our Congress votes on these things too. And you can't even lay the blame on the Republicans alone either, as some Democrats in Congress seemed just as ready to support the PATRIOT Act and such.
And lastly, what's all this about "madness"? My life really hasn't changed a great deal yet, and it appears that the US isn't being run all too differently. Dissidents aren't being rounded up and shot or anything.

I think you're overreacting a bit.


I think my madness is how stupid (yes i said it) stupid people have become over everything... and the madness of thinking these threads will make a differance.. I am happy to know that at least you understand a presidant does not hold real power.... and to tell you the truth my life has not really changed a bit ether :) *decends back into madness*

As if you know anything anyway. ;)
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Firstly, I rather doubt that Bush is doing anything that hasn't been done before. Things like this happen.
Secondly, Why are you placing the blame on Bush? He doesn't have all the power, you know. Our Congress votes on these things too. And you can't even lay the blame on the Republicans alone either, as some Democrats in Congress seemed just as ready to support the PATRIOT Act and such.
And lastly, what's all this about "madness"? My life really hasn't changed a great deal yet, and it appears that the US isn't being run all too differently. Dissidents aren't being rounded up and shot or anything.

I think you're overreacting a bit.

EDIT:
Not to say that I haven't overreacted a bit elsewhere on this forum.
*coughs and furtively hides a certain post*

Congress votes on these things too? Well, if as was stated in the beginning of this thread it was an excecutive order no, they don't. Of course, I don't know that for sure.

After watching America descend into madness during the last five years of Bush's presidency and the unprecedented powers that Bush has acquired for the Presidency of America I just have to ask.

Actually the Patriot Act is not being renewed, so that statement is false.

Is George Bush in an active conspiracy to overthrow our democratic system and install himself as King?

How old are you?

Notice how angry he was at the revelation that he has been SPYING on Americans since 9/11 in a blatant abuse of power.

That's because the media deliberately let this information leak and damage national security.

Notice how when each excuse to invade Iraq is debunked (They Had WMD!, Saddam had connections to 9/11, etc.) Bush spin doctors just invent another and rave and rant and foam at the mouth about it until a new one is needed.

O RLY?

Notice how few interviews and press conferences in which the Almighty Leader is QUESTIONED by reporters without being given a list of the questions that will be asked beforehand.

:O ZOMG he is bad at public speeches!!!!!111 zomg COMMUNIST NAzi Fascist Jew Commander Dicatatorship Corruption@@@@@@@$##@!!!!!!!!

Notice how Orwellian Bush's laws and bills have become, "Clear Skies Initiate" that doesn't clear up anything, "The Patriot Act" that is the most UNpatriotic thing I have ever seen. Slavery is NOT Freedom, and Bush is becoming a psychotic despot.

The Patriot Act as said earlier is not being renewed. Plus those laws were approved by Congress, so you have to blame them as well.

DOWN WITH THE DESPOT!
IMPEACH HIS A$$!

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Congress votes on these things too? Well, if as was stated in the beginning of this thread it was an excecutive order no, they don't. Of course, I don't know that for sure.
Congress can vote to overturn an executive order. But the President can veto that vote. The courts have overturned exactly two executive orders. So the impact of the other branches is minimal.

Perhaps if we started calling them decrees, they might get some more unfavorable attention. As Clintonian, Paul Begala said once, "Stroke of the pen, law of the land, pretty cool". Maybe too cool.

Some of us are able to oppose certain policies and actions without condemning the person. Some of us can even support other policies and actions by that same person. I know that requires critical thought that's beyond the ability of liberals.

I've met the man. I don't like him, much less his policies. He's an arrogant, self-centered, soulless prick. As someone who has met him, and spoken with him, I am entitled to my impression of him.

I know that requires more "grey area" reasoning ability beyond critical thought, which is beyond the ability of conservatives.

Actually the Patriot Act is not being renewed, so that statement is false.

Something to thank God for. If there is a God. And if Bush isn't struck by lightning, you're thanking the wrong one.


That's because the media deliberately let this information leak and damage national security.

Damaging? To national security? How? Perhaps it may have endangered the state, but I don't see how it's endangered me or any of my fellow non-state-employed citizens. Or even most of them.

O RLY?

Really. You have been paying attention haven't you?

:O ZOMG he is bad at public speeches!!!!!111 zomg COMMUNIST NAzi Fascist Jew Commander Dicatatorship Corruption@@@@@@@$##@!!!!!!!!

I'm going to just ignore that, since nothing intelligent can be made of it, for good or ill.

The Patriot Act as said earlier is not being renewed. Plus those laws were approved by Congress, so you have to blame them as well.

Indeed. You'd think that most of the Democrats would realize that they're being idiots by screaming about a war that their Congressional representative voted for. And then they gave them their seats in Congress back when re-election time came.

However, it is Fearless Leader that is trying to sell them, even though Americans are against it and Congress finally comes to its senses and goes against it.

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Yes.(?)