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I want to ask the womenfolk of NS this question: why wear high heeled shoes? They seem to be rather uncomfortable and are undoubtedly impractical (easily breakable heels). Real-life women tell me that men find them attractive, but I am a man and I don't (I may be in a minority). It is just a western, more moderate version of Chinese foot-binding IMO, and I don't like it.

I want to ask the womenfolk of NS this question: why wear high heeled shoes? They seem to be rather uncomfortable and are undoubtedly impractical (easily breakable heels). Real-life women tell me that men find them attractive, but I am a man and I don't (I may be in a minority). It is just a western, more moderate version of Chinese foot-binding IMO, and I don't like it.
High heels! Mmmmmmm! I wouldn't condem any woman to wearing them very often, but sometimes would be great! They do ... interesting things to the female physiognomy! :D

I want to ask the womenfolk of NS this question: why wear high heeled shoes? They seem to be rather uncomfortable and are undoubtedly impractical (easily breakable heels). Real-life women tell me that men find them attractive, but I am a man and I don't (I may be in a minority). It is just a western, more moderate version of Chinese foot-binding IMO, and I don't like it.

What I find funny are the number who take their high heals off at work and only put them on during the day - then again, there are men who purchase shoes, but can't walk in them because they give them bad backs.

Meh, humans are stupid anyway, its like a female saying, "men think with their dick' then go on about their overies no getting any younger; or a female saying, "why don't women get taken seriously" then head off to get a breast enlargement, makes little sense, oh well.

Tis the heterosexual world that makes less sense, and thank god I'm not part of it.

Makes them look taller? *shrugs*

To be honest, I don't know why women need to wear them. I've heard numerous stories from lady friends that they are hellishly uncomfortable, and...speaking from my own opinion, I don't find them particualrly attractive.

Meh, humans are stupid anyway, its like a female saying, "men think with their dick' then go on about their overies no getting any younger; or a female saying, "why don't women get taken seriously" then head off to get a breast enlargement, makes little sense, oh well.
LOL! All too true. :D

Makes them look taller? *shrugs*
I LIKE "taller!" One VERY exciting young woman I dated a few years back stood 5'10" in her bare feet. She had never even owned a pair of high heels, so I took her out and bought her a pair. Watching her practice walking in them was a "peak experience," but when she stood close to me and could literally look me straight in the eyes ... ! Whew! :D

We were suppose to have gone out dancing that night. Operant word: "Suppose." :D

No chicks have answered yet, all dudes.

I'm with the OP, man-give me a chick in comfortable shoes and a good mood over someone in foot clamps who's blaming me for thier pain. Making a womens ass and legs look 'better' through heels is like putting a bow on a Ferarri...I guess it looks better, but it didn't need it.

Makes them look taller? *shrugs*

yeah, we are pretty short

Haha. I try to avoid them when I can, but they do kind of make you look taller and they're a little slimming that way I guess. But they're so hard to walk on, they're not worth it. I can barely walk in flats. XD

I LIKE "taller!" One VERY exciting young woman I dated a few years back stood 5'10" in her bare feet. She had never even owned a pair of high heels, so I took her out and bought her a pair. Watching her practice walking in them was a "peak experience," but when she stood close to me and could literally look me straight in the eyes ... ! Whew! :D

We were suppose to have gone out dancing that night. Operant word: "Suppose." :D

Hahaha...

I don't really have much of a preference in height. I guess I prefer a little bit shorter than me....i'm about 6'. 5'10" and below is good, as long as they're not extremely short. Any taller is a bit strange, heh, but I could certainly live with it.

i accidently put becasue they're comfortable instead of other. i don't think i like them because men find them attractive. i mean, who finds deformed feet attractive? i guess i do it for the height. they are also good for good posture. i normally wear wedge, because stilletos hurt like hell.

Hahaha...

I don't really have much of a preference in height. I guess I prefer a little bit shorter than me....i'm about 6'. 5'10" and below is good, as long as they're not extremely short. Any taller is a bit strange, heh, but I could certainly live with it.
I don't really know why I love it so much when a woman is as tall or almost as tall as me, but it seems to drive me totally bonkers! Heh!

I'm 6'2", btw. :)

i accidently put becasue they're comfortable instead of other. i don't think i like them because men find them attractive. i mean, who finds deformed feet attractive? i guess i do it for the height. they are also good for good posture.
Ooooooooooo! LOVE dat "posture!" :D

I've only worn high-heels once, and they were a pair of my sister's zip-up boots and they weren't particularly tall and had a very thick heel. I must say the height increase was very nifty, and those boots weren't particularly uncomfortable, though I had a little bit of difficulty walking.

However, I wouldn't be caught dead wearing the more typical high-heeled shoes. I can barely stand to wear flat-bottomed dress shoes, let alone ones that have me wobbling about on a tiny point.

LOL! All too true. :D

Believe me, the list gets worse; dear lord, women who moan that they have a bad back after wearing stiletto's for a whole day, and yet, are stupid enough to have a whole CLOSET full of the damn things!

God, and men who spend HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of dollars modding up their cars - great, spend money on damn thing that will DROP in value, like yeah, thats a smart bloody move, you may as well paint a house even though its going to be torn down in two days!

Women who say, "its men, they have driven me to bulimia/anorexia" when all indicators show than men don't want a swizzle stick for a girl friend, the vast majority want a female with a classic hour glass figure, and the fact that most of these magazines are actually run BY women makes the bitch feast even more humourous to watch unfold in feminist quarters.

Men who watch car programmes, known as 'drifting' seeing cars go around corners in a glofied skid - can anyone else think of a more pointless waste of time on the weekend than watching some idiots go around in a circle, wasting tire rubber whilst trying to pull it off as some sort of 'art form'.

From an anatomical point of view:
They change the way people walk, the shape of the calf, thigh and buttocks, making all looking better toned and slimmer.

Edit:
The Wikipedia reasons:
There are many reasons why women desire to wear heels, including:

* the change in angle of the foot with respect to the lower leg shortens and accentuates the calves
* they make the woman appear taller
* one's legs look longer, and therefore more sensuous
* the change in gait and posture thrusts the buttocks backwards, and causes the hips sway more - both strong sexual signs
* many heels, particularly sandals, make the sole of the foot visible, also a strong sexual sign (see shoe dangling)
* stiletto heels appear to some as a phallic symbol

Other associations are more masochistic:

* high heels can be painful to wear, particularly for long periods
* they shorten the stride of the wearer
* they make the wearer less able to run, and hence more vulnerable
* they can damage the wearer's feet and tendons when worn over long periods (see below)
* progressively higher heels are progressively riskier and more difficult to walk in; tripping is much more likely, and the risk of damaging the wearer's ankles, toes, and feet, both short-term and long-term, is similarly increased.

I've only worn high-heels once, and they were a pair of my sister's zip-up boots and they weren't particularly tall and had a very thick heel. I must say the height increase was very nifty, and those boots weren't particularly uncomfortable, though I had a little bit of difficulty walking.

However, I wouldn't be caught dead wearing the more typical high-heeled shoes. I can barely stand to wear flat-bottomed dress shoes, let alone ones that have me wobbling about on a tiny point.
Mmmmmmmmmmmmm! BOOTS! :D

I love those thigh-high leather boots with the high heels! Whew! OMG! :D

The purpose of high heels is the same as any other make up type product. They highlight and exaggerate the semetry of the female form. In this case, the shape of the calf and to a lesser degree the tone quality of the thigh. A very effective and much misunderstood (by men) tool, that most men would never realize has a profound effect on them.

From an anatomical point of view:
They change the way people walk, the shape of the calf, thigh and buttocks, making all looking better toned and slimmer.

Edit:
The Wikipedia reasons:
There are many reasons why women desire to wear heels, including:

* the change in angle of the foot with respect to the lower leg shortens and accentuates the calves
* they make the woman appear taller
* one's legs look longer, and therefore more sensuous
* the change in gait and posture thrusts the buttocks backwards, and causes the hips sway more - both strong sexual signs
* many heels, particularly sandals, make the sole of the foot visible, also a strong sexual sign (see shoe dangling)

One of the very few times when I actually LIKE the Wikipedia! Yayy!

The purpose of high heels is the same as any other make up type product. They highlight and exaggerate the semetry of the female form. In this case, the shape of the calf and to a lesser degree the tone quality of the thigh. A very effective and much misunderstood (by men) tool, that most men would never realize has a profound effect on them.

Well, its bloody useless on me, but then again, I'm gay, so that explains alot :P

* many heels, particularly sandals, make the sole of the foot visible, also a strong sexual sign (see shoe dangling)

Wait, shoe dangling is a sexual sign? Crap. I need a way back machine...

Well, its bloody useless on me, but then again, I'm gay, so that explains alot :P

Well, no weapon is ever 100% effective, despite what the Dept of Defense and Cosmopolitian magazine tell us. 8)

Well i provided the reasons as i understood them from class... then copied the entire relevent wiki section - i didnt edit it, so it might be, i dont know...

they make you stand in a way that makes you look slightly thinner and they make your legs longer and i'm 5'2" so i need them to be a bit taller

I wear them because I like them, and think they occasionally look cute. I'm picky about any shoe I wear, though. XD

i'm a man, and high heels rock on women. dead sexy.
simple as that :)

they make you stand in a way that makes you look slightly thinner and they make your legs longer and i'm 5'2" so i need them to be a bit taller

Yeah, but at the same time, if you have a body of an oompa-loompa, you just end up looking like an incredibly round body on the end of two stilts, resembling some of a walking lolly pop - something I'd hardly consider 'sexy' or 'turn on'.

God, and men who spend HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of dollars modding up their cars - great, spend money on damn thing that will DROP in value, like yeah, thats a smart bloody move, you may as well paint a house even though its going to be torn down in two days!

Women who say, "its men, they have driven me to bulimia/anorexia" when all indicators show than men don't want a swizzle stick for a girl friend, the vast majority want a female with a classic hour glass figure ....

Men who watch car programmes, known as 'drifting' seeing cars go around corners in a glofied skid - can anyone else think of a more pointless waste of time on the weekend than watching some idiots go around in a circle, wasting tire rubber whilst trying to pull it off as some sort of 'art form'.
Humans have never been noted for rationality when addressing either sex or "penile" issues.

The thing about women not being a "swizzle stick" is so true, at least for me. I want just a bit of comfort when doing the horizontal bop anyway! :D

Although I spent quite a bit of money on my Boss 302 Mustang when I was younger, I have to agree that it's largely a waste of both time and money. And the NASCAR thang has never held much attraction for me. I kinda like Le Mons style racing, where there are actual, you know ... like, curves to go through. :)

they make you stand in a way that makes you look slightly thinner and they make your legs longer and i'm 5'2" so i need them to be a bit taller
[ tries to imagine Tink in high heels and little else ... succeeds! ] :D

i wanna see more men wear high heels:) ;)

Yeah, but at the same time, if you have a body of an oompa-loompa, you just end up looking like an incredibly round body on the end of two stilts, resembling some of a walking lolly pop - something I'd hardly consider 'sexy' or 'turn on'.
are you saying i have the body of an oompa-loompa?

i'm a man, and high heels rock on women. dead sexy.
simple as that :)
Yayyy! PM ... a man after my own heart! :D

i wanna see more men wear high heels:) ;)
then you should come to Blackpool

My understanding is that, among other things, to stand or walk properly in heels requires thrusting the buttocks out as is done in classic primate "presenting" (a sexual solicitation). That's from a university intro to cultural anthro class some 16 years ago, so take with the appropriate grain of salt. However, Armacor and the wikipedia seem to agree with my recollection.

i wanna see more men wear high heels:) ;)
TSK!
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Well, no weapon is ever 100% effective, despite what the Dept of Defense and Cosmopolitian magazine tell us. 8)

Meh, true, but then again, there are alot of things that are apparently meant to be sexy but inreality, are a completely bloody turn off.

Its like seeing some gay guys oggle over a guy with muscles - I don't know what the turn on is, seeing some muscle bound freak who can barely walk in a straight line and their arms perminantly out the side of them like some sort of waddling star fish.

Give me an average sized guy with a nice face over some arnie-wanta-be

then you should come to Blackpool

lot of cross-dressers there? score!:D

It's true that they do make women look better. They make your legs look less fat as when your feet are more pointed your calf muscles show. I guess for some women they make them feel superior, while others do wear them to attract men but they are only a small percentage. For most women they like pretty shoes, it doesn't matter if they're uncomfortable. That said they won't wear the uncomfortable ones all the time, only when they feel up to it. Another big reason is to be taller. Sure if you're 5'10" you don't really need them but if you're only 5 foot, like my sister, you'll feel a need to wear them. This may seem stupid to most men, but then again there are loads of stupid things men do, as previously mentioned. But not all women wear high heels. I for one hate wrecking my feet, but girls like ey aren't very common, maybe they are ionline, but in the real world in general looks go over comfort.

are you saying i have the body of an oompa-loompa?

No, what I'm saying is if you heigh/weight ratio doesn't weight up, and you try to wear heals to elongate your legs, all that will happen is that you'll resemble something of lolly pop rather than someone with sexy long legs.

I LIKE "taller!" One VERY exciting young woman I dated a few years back stood 5'10" in her bare feet. She had never even owned a pair of high heels, so I took her out and bought her a pair. Watching her practice walking in them was a "peak experience," but when she stood close to me and could literally look me straight in the eyes ... ! Whew! :D

We were suppose to have gone out dancing that night. Operant word: "Suppose." :D

I stand at 168 cm (5'6") and have a (bad?) reputation as a "tree climber". A woman who's 5'10" definately gets my sap up. :D :D :D

lot of cross-dressers there? score!:D
yep, there's this great cross-dresser caberet bar called Funny Girls, it's fantastic! I was at the train station yesterday and i saw these 2 men, they must've been about 7ft, they were huuuuuge, one dressed in a leopard-print dress and big fur coat and the other in a sexy mrs Santa outfit, i was like 'it's good to be home'

yep, there's this great cross-dresser caberet bar called Funny Girls, it's fantastic! I was at the train station yesterday and i saw these 2 men, they must've been about 7ft, they were huuuuuge, one dressed in a leopard-print dress and big fur coat and the other in a sexy mrs Santa outfit, i was like 'it's good to be home'

lol
must go there.......;)

lol
must go there.......;)
i'd show you a good time ;)

[ tries to imagine Tink in high heels and little else ... succeeds! ] :D
dirty old man, you ;)
good role-model for me :D

i'd show you a good time ;)

i'm sure you would....:D

Yayyy! PM ... a man after my own heart! :D
oi i'm not wearing no heels for you! :p

I stand at 168 cm (5'6") and have a (bad?) reputation as a "tree climber". A woman who's 5'10" definately gets my sap up. :D :D :D
ROFLMAO! Ditto, and I'm 6'2"! :D

I really wish I could figure out what it is about a woman being able to look me square in the eyes and place one arm on each of my shoulders without having to reach up. That's a definite "show starter" for me! :D

[ tries to imagine Tink in high heels and little else ... succeeds! ] :D
:eek:

It's true that they do make women look better. They make your legs look less fat as when your feet are more pointed your calf muscles show. I guess for some women they make them feel superior, while others do wear them to attract men but they are only a small percentage. For most women they like pretty shoes, it doesn't matter if they're uncomfortable. That said they won't wear the uncomfortable ones all the time, only when they feel up to it. Another big reason is to be taller. Sure if you're 5'10" you don't really need them but if you're only 5 foot, like my sister, you'll feel a need to wear them. This may seem stupid to most men, but then again there are loads of stupid things men do, as previously mentioned. But not all women wear high heels. I for one hate wrecking my feet, but girls like ey aren't very common, maybe they are ionline, but in the real world in general looks go over comfort.

Meh, I guess it depends on how much self esteme the female has; if she constantly has to get approval from people, especially males, then I think they would more than likely want to wear heals.

The females I know, who don't wear heals, don't because they don't see a reason too - they like nice shoes, but as a friend said, "why spend hundreds on shoes that can only be worn with one outfit" and she had a point - and believe me, she didn't need to cheapen herself to level of wearing heals to get attention - believe me, if I weren't gay, I definately would have dated her (and I found out at the end, some people in that year thought we were a couple).

:eek:
[ In best "dirty old man" chuckle ] Heh! Heh! Heh! :D

Ok, here's a woman replying ;)

I went through a great number of changes over that past 2 years (those of you who know me know what I'm talking about) and one of them included my first pair of high heeled shoes.
No stilettoes to begin with (although I have some now), but simple black shoes with a square high heel. When I bought them I just liked the simplistic style, but I soon found that there was much more to it:

They made my feet look good, in a very elegant way.
They made me walk differently, and I like that. I also found that it is good for my back and spine, as I move my spine more when walking.

Downside is that the weight now goes on the balls of my feet rather than the heel, so they tend to hurt when I have to be on my feet for a longer period of time.

Overall, I don't wear them because of men, nor because of women, but because I like wearing them. Period.

It makes Thier legs look thinner. Women are CRAZY about weight.:headbang:

Ok, here's a woman replying ;)

I went through a great number of changes over that past 2 years (those of you who know me know what I'm talking about) and one of them included my first pair of high heeled shoes.
No stilettoes to begin with (although I have some now), but simple black shoes with a square high heel. When I bought them I just liked the simplistic style, but I soon found that there was much more to it:

They made my feet look good, in a very elegant way.
They made me walk differently, and I like that. I also found that it is good for my back and spine, as I move my spine more when walking.

Downside is that the weight now goes on the balls of my feet rather than the heel, so they tend to hurt when I have to be on my feet for a longer period of time.

Overall, I don't wear them because of men, nor because of women, but because I like wearing them. Period.
you should get some Scholl Party Feet, they really help the balls of your feet

It makes Thier legs look thinner. Women are CRAZY about weight.:headbang:

Yeah, but it doesn't work miracles.

My legs look crap, so I wear pants all year around - problem solved.

Looks like I am both diamatrically opposed to Eutrusca on this issue, and in the minority!

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God, and men who spend HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of dollars modding up their cars - great, spend money on damn thing that will DROP in value, like yeah, thats a smart bloody move, you may as well paint a house even though its going to be torn down in two days!
Depending on what you're doing to the car and how you take care of it will effect the resale value. Things like the 'lead sleds', chopped and channeled '49 Mercs and such, go for $50,000 while the stock ones are $8,000. Even a hot rodded Civic is going to go for more than a stock one.

Not to mention that being concerned about the resale value entirely misses the point. It's one of the few purchases you can make that will ever make anything back, and a dip in value is gauranteed. But while you own it you have to spend a great deal of time in it. Why shouldn't we enjoy that? Making them look cool or ride like a torched monkey gives the owner pleasure and sometimes is a release. No more pointless than any other modern distraction.

Women who say, "its men, they have driven me to bulimia/anorexia" when all indicators show than men don't want a swizzle stick for a girl friend, the vast majority want a female with a classic hour glass figure, and the fact that most of these magazines are actually run BY women makes the bitch feast even more humourous to watch unfold in feminist quarters.
To a point, but then look at the history of womens magazines that have tried to buck that trend. Automobile companies won't advertise (this is a little older), cosmetic companies won't advertise if there is an article suggesting that women maybe don't need to make themselves up so much, etc. If I could remember the magazine that rose and fell from this so I could direct people to the story it'd be stronger...ah well...

Men who watch car programmes, known as 'drifting' seeing cars go around corners in a glofied skid - can anyone else think of a more pointless waste of time on the weekend than watching some idiots go around in a circle, wasting tire rubber whilst trying to pull it off as some sort of 'art form'.
It's a matter of control, balancing the car on the edge. You don't have to get it, not everything has to be for everybody. I can't really watch drifting competitions myself, but watching someone balance a car through that is impressive-mostly because I know what it takes to do that. I like it more when it's in a rally because thier doing it because it's the fastest way through the turn. But ah well. I don't understand how people can sit for hours watching people hit thrown balls with a stick, or hitting stationary balls with a stick hoping to get it in a hole 400 yards away, but I do understand that they get something out of it even if I don't see it.

And it's Le Mans. And NASCAR runs on roadcourses twice in its season. Porsche is going to win overall from the LMP lights catagory in Le Mans. Bet on it. (Don't bet on it, that's really just the ramblings of a fan...)

ROFLMAO! Ditto, and I'm 6'2"! :D

I really wish I could figure out what it is about a woman being able to look me square in the eyes and place one arm on each of my shoulders without having to reach up. That's a definite "show starter" for me! :D

A 6'2" "tree climber"? :eek: Surely you jest. At that height it must be hard as hell to find anything significantly taller.

Or maybe you didn't catch that a "tree climber" is someone who likes their partners significantly taller. ;)

Meh, true, but then again, there are alot of things that are apparently meant to be sexy but inreality, are a completely bloody turn off.

Its like seeing some gay guys oggle over a guy with muscles - I don't know what the turn on is, seeing some muscle bound freak who can barely walk in a straight line and their arms perminantly out the side of them like some sort of waddling star fish.

Give me an average sized guy with a nice face over some arnie-wanta-be

Without a doubt there are ornaments designed for this purpose, and do indeed make a person look like a complete idiot. I think though one would find these sorts of things more expressions of uniqueness, that always end in conformity.
When it comes to the human form however, it is all about semetry. It is the lines and curves that have the real attracting potiential in both men and women no matter what their preference. While the muscle bound poser has a more sharply exaggerated semety the average size individual with a nice face has a smoother flowing semetry that most men find attractive in women.
Semetry affects us all, but in different ways. Even a solider finds great beauty in the semetrical path of a tracer round. I find it a facinating subject, I just wish I knew how and why it affects us the way it does.

A 6'2" "tree climber"? :eek: Surely you jest. At that height it must be hard as hell to find anything significantly taller.

Or maybe you didn't catch that a "tree climber" is someone who likes their partners significantly taller. ;)
It is, but even when they come close ( in every sense of the phrase ), it's a massive turn-on for me. :D

I used to wear high heels when I was younger. I still have a pair of black stiletto ankle boots in my closet that I look at occasionally - but I really can't wear them these days.

I know that back when I wore heels it was because whether or not they made me look sexier, they still made me feel sexier. :D

However, these days I stick to flats. Arthritis in your sacro-iliac joint will do that to you... :( Whatever can be said for heels in terms of looks, one thing that is universal is that they are terrible for your lower back and legs. Wearing them for prolonged periods is just asking for trouble.

Looks like I am both diamatrically opposed to Eutrusca on this issue, and in the minority!
I'm with you dude. You can't have those 'still out at 3am watching the ships come in at the bay' kind of evenings with a chick if she's in heels, because her feet start to hurt.

Looks like I am both diamatrically opposed to Eutrusca on this issue, and in the minority!
No biggie. ( shrug ) Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks.

Besides, being "diametrically opposed" to me on at least some subjects places you in good company. :D

I'm with you dude. You can't have those 'still out at 3am watching the ships come in at the bay' kind of evenings with a chick if she's in heels, because her feet start to hurt.
Some of the ladies I've dated take a pair of loafers with them in the car for changing into later in the evening. :)

Without a doubt there are ornaments designed for this purpose, and do indeed make a person look like a complete idiot. I think though one would find these sorts of things more expressions of uniqueness, that always end in conformity.
When it comes to the human form however, it is all about semetry. It is the lines and curves that have the real attracting potiential in both men and women no matter what their preference. While the muscle bound poser has a more sharply exaggerated semety the average size individual with a nice face has a smoother flowing semetry that most men find attractive in women.
Semetry affects us all, but in different ways. Even a solider finds great beauty in the semetrical path of a tracer round. I find it a facinating subject, I just wish I knew how and why it affects us the way it does.

It normally has to do with mate selection based on some primitive association with body shape and fertility, but there is also the features which compliment the individuals body shape etc. You'll find, for example that a feminine male may chose a slightly more tom-boyish female and vice versa.

oi i'm not wearing no heels for you! :p
:eek:

Um ... I don't recall asking you to do that! :p

dirty old man, you ;)
good role-model for me :D
ROFLMAO!! Watch, listen and learn, Grasshopper! :D

Some of the ladies I've dated take a pair of loafers with them in the car for changing into later in the evening. :)
Yeah, but then we're getting into that 'bringing a kit with her' thing. I prefer the 'ready to go' chick, the relaxed ones. Dating preppie chicks was a damn hassle, it's slacker chicks from here on out...

you should get some Scholl Party Feet, they really help the balls of your feet

I have them, they are brilliant. But I don't like wearing them all day...

It is, but even when they come close ( in every sense of the phrase ), it's a massive turn-on for me. :D

I am impressed. If I ever came face to face with a 6'+ east asian woman (ever wonder why I live in Japan? ;)) I might propose on the spot. :p


(BTW, would you mind having a look see at my request for advice thread - I just brought it up top the top a minute ago, and I'd appreciate your commentary.)

I LIKE "taller!" One VERY exciting young woman I dated a few years back stood 5'10" in her bare feet. She had never even owned a pair of high heels, so I took her out and bought her a pair. Watching her practice walking in them was a "peak experience," but when she stood close to me and could literally look me straight in the eyes ... ! Whew! :D

We were suppose to have gone out dancing that night. Operant word: "Suppose." :D
My wife is 5-11 in her bare feet! ;)

Yeah, but then we're getting into that 'bringing a kit with her' thing. I prefer the 'ready to go' chick, the relaxed ones. Dating preppie chicks was a damn hassle, it's slacker chicks from here on out...
"Slacker chicks!" Heh!

Actually, most of the women I have dated over the years can do both. They're basically the laid back, "let's just have fun" types, who can also dress to the nines when the occasion arrises. God, I love flexibility! :D

I am impressed. If I ever came face to face with a 6'+ east asian woman (ever wonder why I live in Japan? ;)) I might propose on the spot. :p


(BTW, would you mind having a look see at my request for advice thread - I just brought it up top the top a minute ago, and I'd appreciate your commentary.)
LOL! ME TOO! Some of the most beautiful women I have ever seen were relatively tall Asian women with boobs. :D

Thanks for the compliment. Will do. :)

My wife is 5-11 in her bare feet! ;)
Wow! Um ... she got any sisters? :D

They're flattering and some outfits need high heels. I wouldn't get any which are seriously uncomfortable or which I can't walk in. That would be pointless. If they do end up being uncomfortable, I don't moan - it's my fault - but generally I don't find them uncomfortable. I don't wear heels that often; takes away the whole "wow factor" which they can have when you get dressed up. Generally I just wear trainers.

I don't wear heels that often; takes away the whole "wow factor" which they can have when you get dressed up.
True, true. I love it when any of my friends, male or female, can adapt to the circumstances and appear appropriate and relaxed in virtually any social situation.

Wow! Um ... she got any sisters? :D
No single ones! lol

Besides, her sister is 5-6. Sorry, I'll keep my eye open for ya though! ;)

My wife is 5-11 in her bare feet! ;)

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Euty, now you know the secret behind why I became such a big fan of Volleyball in Japan. (IIRC at least one of the players on the current national team is around 192cm, or about 6'3". :::keels over in a dead faint. wakes up and starts looking around for climbing apparatus:::)

I don't wear heels that often
darn! :p
will be online later. hope you had fun last night! ...and not in that way you dirty girl, you ;)

darn! :p
will be online later. hope you had fun last night! ...and not in that way you dirty girl, you ;)
But when I do, makes it extra special ;)
okay - just popping out to the post box.... *shifty eyes*...
I wasn't even thinking about that! *cough*... I was all worn out after going to Novatech anyway, hahaha :p
edit: just remembered, going out around 8ish to a party...

No single ones! lol

Besides, her sister is 5-6. Sorry, I'll keep my eye open for ya though! ;)
Damn! Foiled again! Heh!

You do that! There's a great "finder's fee!" :D

http://img47.photobucket.com/albums/v144/ganymede1969/Icons/smilie_drool.gif

Euty, now you know the secret behind why I became such a big fan of Volleyball in Japan. (IIRC at least one of the players on the current national team is around 192cm, or about 6'3". :::keels over in a dead faint. wakes up and starts looking around for climbing apparatus:::)
OMFG!!! [ books flight to see next Japanese women's volleyball tournament! ] :D

I like high heels but I rarely wear them as I am 5'10 and people get freaked out.

why i like to wear high heels:
they aren't comfortable. that's a known fact. but i'm really short (5 and 1'2an inch. ) so people make fun of me a lot. so i wear taller shoes. but the reason is do itis because it's FUN. same with wearing makeup that won't come off, and going on a diet so you can fit into a dress. i hang out with guys a lot and don't spend that much time on my appearance very often, but i like doing it when i have time because there's just something great about looking nice. and damn the consequences!!! i dress up for myself, not someone else. (i don't have a significant other, though) but anyway, yeah. i just do it because it's fun. and yeah, my feet will hurt for a couple days, but i've got so much scar tissue on my feet (from other things) that i don't really care.

the scar tissue is because i walked home 6 miles in flip flops one night down a highway...it was pretty retarded and THAT hurt like hell. i also went runing in thongs while in Tokyo. and i wore zori to a party (that's traditional japanese shoes) and got blsiters from those. it's just fun to do. that's why little girls dress up.

I like high heels but I rarely wear them as I am 5'10 and people get freaked out.
OMG! [ faints! ]

Wear them! Wear them! I PROMISE to never, ever "get freaked out! [ pants ] :D

I'm 5'6, so I wear heels to make me taller. And yes, there is the fun aspect of them complimenting a sexy outfit.. :)

But yes, they are uncomfortable to wear, not just the heels, but the pointy toes can be a bit annoying too.. but I still like to wear them.

Its also about feeling sexy and confidence too.

imo i think they make women look ugly. plus when they step on your foot while wearing them on the dancefloor it really really hurts!

imo i think they make women look ugly. plus when they step on your foot while wearing them on the dancefloor it really really hurts!


This is a first, I've never heard a guy say that about heels...

That said, we women are very aware of the usefulness of heels as a weapon in certain cases..although they are not really fun to run away in.

I remember when I was younger running up and down the stairs with other girlfriends with our high heels. That was fun, believe it or not, although it made our legs hurt alot.

I'm 5'6, so I wear heels to make me taller. And yes, there is the fun aspect of them complimenting a sexy outfit.. :)

But yes, they are uncomfortable to wear, not just the heels, but the pointy toes can be a bit annoying too.. but I still like to wear them.

Its also about feeling sexy and confidence too.
Six-inch stilletos would make you almost as tall as me. Mmmmm! :D

This is a first, I've never heard a guy say that about heels...

That said, we women are very aware of the usefulness of heels as a weapon in certain cases..although they are not really fun to run away in.

I remember when I was younger running up and down the stairs with other girlfriends with our high heels. That was fun, believe it or not, although it made our legs hurt alot.

actually its not a first. the dude who started this thread said the same thing. Although i dont mean to be pedantic. In my experience the kind of women who wear high heels generally tend to wear a lot of make up, listen to pop music etc. Im not attracted to them insofar as I have very little in common with them and dont like that appearance given that its too mainstream and garish. All of this is my opinion and Im in the definate minority so dont get offended.

I'm not offended in the slightest! Everyone has their own tastes and opinions, though I will say that it isn't true that most women who wear heels also put on alot of make-up and listen to pop music.

Some, yes, but I think thats an unfair generalization. I don't need alot of make-up, but I will plead guilty on occasional listening of pop music. :)

ah yes but I did say in my experience, thereby avoiding the fallacy of generalization.

The poll is missing the most prevelant and obvious reason: women like to wear them because they make them look and feel good (maybe not literally with stillettos, but anyway). I wear heels on occasion because they'e pretty, the same reason I wear a skirt, or put my hair up. Its simple really. Also, if you find ones that fit properly, they're not uncomfortable.

This is a first, I've never heard a guy say that about heels...

That said, we women are very aware of the usefulness of heels as a weapon in certain cases..although they are not really fun to run away in.

I remember when I was younger running up and down the stairs with other girlfriends with our high heels. That was fun, believe it or not, although it made our legs hurt alot.

If used properly you shouldn't need to run far. A friend in college used to teach a womens self-defense course. He only taught 2 physical moves, one of which (heel stamp) worked best if wearing stilletos. He had a student who was attacked and very litterally nailed her attacker to the foryer floor - through leather shoes and a good inch or more into the floor - with spike heels.
That's not to say it always works or that it's always the best thing to be done. But it sure as hell helps if you can do it at the right time.

Yes, I know about the heel stamp.. and I could just imagine some of my heels doing exactly that if I used them effectively like that.

I have had more of a tendency to kick someone in the shins...or on several occasions..just a bit higher. :p

My theory: Blowjobs.

High heels are structurally designed to make the wearer more likely to topple forward, thus placing them on their knees. This makes it easier to give blowjobs.

They make me feel pretty, which is a nice break from the norm.

I don't find high heels attractive - I think they're pretty ridiculous myself.

Here's another thought that confuses me about women. Why do so many of them flirt and lead on guys they're not interested in... and then play 'hard to get' when they find a guy they like?!

I don't find high heels attractive - I think they're pretty ridiculous myself.

Here's another thought that confuses me about women. Why do so many of them flirt and lead on guys they're not interested in... and then play 'hard to get' when they find a guy they like?!

Easy!

Because we can!:p

I don't find high heels attractive - I think they're pretty ridiculous myself.

Here's another thought that confuses me about women. Why do so many of them flirt and lead on guys they're not interested in... and then play 'hard to get' when they find a guy they like?!
because messing with men's heads is so much fun

I don't find high heels attractive - I think they're pretty ridiculous myself.

Here's another thought that confuses me about women. Why do so many of them flirt and lead on guys they're not interested in... and then play 'hard to get' when they find a guy they like?!

Because, as others have already stated, they're childish, petty, superficial, obnoxious and vindictive.

Because, as others have already stated, they're childish, petty, superficial, obnoxious and vindictive.


And men aren't? Okay.. yes, women can be much more vindictive and petty, but men can be much more childish and obnoxious.

Because, as others have already stated, they're childish, petty, superficial, obnoxious and vindictive.

That would be a generalisation.

And men aren't? Okay.. yes, women can be much more vindictive and petty, but men can be much more childish and obnoxious.

Well, two women have said so far they like to "mess with men's heads" because:

"because we can"

and

"because it's fun"

I haven't noticed any men in this thread talking about how men like to beat their wives "because we can" or "because it's fun." Because, oh, THAT would be sexist and offensive.

If women are going to generalize themselves as petty and obnoxious, I am going to be daring and agree with them.

Well, two women have said so far they like to "mess with men's heads" because:

"because we can"

and

"because it's fun"

I haven't noticed any men in this thread talking about how men like to beat their wives "because we can" or "because it's fun." Because, oh, THAT would be sexist and offensive.

If women are going to generalize themselves as petty and obnoxious, I am going to be daring and agree with them.


Oh, this is really stupid.. you're going to equate domestic violence with flirting?

Oh please, you have some serious issues if you think the two are the same.

Prince looks good in high heels.

Oh, this is really stupid.. you're going to equate domestic violence with flirting?

Oh please, you have some serious issues if you think the two are the same.

I didn't say they were the same. It was an analogy to show how hypocritical some people are when it comes to being sexist. And "messing with someones head" isn't really flirting, flirting is consentual, being deliberately mislead is just pointless and often destructive in the context of relationships between real people.

I wear high heels, but I refuse to wear stilettos. My feet have slightly falling arches, so wearing a shoe that has an inch or so difference between the ball and the heel of the foot is much more comfortable than wearing a completely flat shoe. I have orthopedic inserts for shoes like sneakers and such, but often the shoes they go into aren't exactly nice for going out anywhere like to a party or some such.

Wearing a stiletto heel is asking to fall sideways and break a bone in your leg, or your hip, IMO. Especially since the pointy-toed-ness of most stiletto heeled shoes isn't exactly stabilizing horizontally.

Also, aside from the anatomical advantages of high heels (Subtly altering the shape of the calves and thighs, making you walk more sensually), flat shoes don't come in many styles that look nice with, say, short skirts. Flat shoes are often very plain, undecorated, and high heels come in all colours, styles, etc, with plenty of different types of decoration, although you don't need much heel for it to look nice, and the less of a heel on your shoe, the less hell you'll go through.

And women tease/lead men on to reaffirm that, "Oh, I'm female, I'm a sexual being, I have the ability not only to reproduce, but to find someone biologically attractive to reproduce with, even if right now actual reproduction isn't what I'm after." It may not be conscious, but I believe that's why we do it. It's all part of the instinctual psychology we have that makes us look for the best mate we can find, which goes all the way back to our days as very early human beings.

I didn't say they were the same. It was an analogy to show how hypocritical some people are when it comes to being sexist. And "messing with someones head" isn't really flirting, flirting is consentual, being deliberately mislead is just pointless and often destructive in the context of relationships between real people.

But you implied they were the same...

And it is hypocritical of you to condemn us for flirting with guys (because we can) when men do exactly the same thing in a different way, by cat-calling, or puffing out their chests.

So please, spare me your 'victimhood' complex.

But you implied they were the same...

And it is hypocritical of you to condemn us for flirting with guys (because we can) when men do exactly the same thing in a different way, by cat-calling, or puffing out their chests.

So please, spare me your 'victimhood' complex.
Well, I don't think it's exactly the same thing with men. Men don't purposely lead a woman into a bedroom, when the woman is hornier than a bull in rut, and then say "Oh, I don't feel like having sex with you today, bye!" (Not that I support Santa Barbara's stand, just pointing out that it's not quite the same.)

I wear high heels, but I refuse to wear stilettos. My feet have slightly falling arches, so wearing a shoe that has an inch or so difference between the ball and the heel of the foot is much more comfortable than wearing a completely flat shoe. I have orthopedic inserts for shoes like sneakers and such, but often the shoes they go into aren't exactly nice for going out anywhere like to a party or some such.

Wearing a stiletto heel is asking to fall sideways and break a bone in your leg, or your hip, IMO. Especially since the pointy-toed-ness of most stiletto heeled shoes isn't exactly stabilizing horizontally.

Also, aside from the anatomical advantages of high heels (Subtly altering the shape of the calves and thighs, making you walk more sensually), flat shoes don't come in many styles that look nice with, say, short skirts. Flat shoes are often very plain, undecorated, and high heels come in all colours, styles, etc, with plenty of different types of decoration, although you don't need much heel for it to look nice, and the less of a heel on your shoe, the less hell you'll go through.

And women tease/lead men on to reaffirm that, "Oh, I'm female, I'm a sexual being, I have the ability not only to reproduce, but to find someone biologically attractive to reproduce with, even if right now actual reproduction isn't what I'm after." It may not be conscious, but I believe that's why we do it. It's all part of the instinctual psychology we have that makes us look for the best mate we can find, which goes all the way back to our days as very early human beings.

Agreed. And maybe santa barbara will accept this as a better reason to why we do it, then again, maybe not.

And agreed about the different types of heels too. I happen to have a collection ranging from stiletto boots in different heights (from knee down to ankles), as well as several different colored pumps, and strappy heels, to sandals.I guess I'm just a sucker for buying shoes and matching them with different outfits.

But you implied they were the same...

Yes, they are both obnoxious and offensive.


And it is hypocritical of you to condemn us for flirting with guys (because we can) when men do exactly the same thing in a different way, by cat-calling, or puffing out their chests.

For flirting with guys? No. For:

flirt and lead on guys they're not interested in... and then play 'hard to get' when they find a guy they like?!

And it would be hypocritical if I condoned cat-calling or puffing out their chests (!). I never did that either.


So please, spare me your 'victimhood' complex.

Ignore me if you want to be 'spared.'

And women tease/lead men on to reaffirm that, "Oh, I'm female, I'm a sexual being, I have the ability not only to reproduce, but to find someone biologically attractive to reproduce with, even if right now actual reproduction isn't what I'm after."

So being deliberately deceptive and manipulative for shits and giggles is some kind of noble affirmation of woman's rights? Bullshit.

I'm glad most real women I know don't think like that.

So being deliberately deceptive and manipulative for shits and giggles is some kind of noble affirmation of woman's rights? Bullshit.

I'm glad most real women I know don't think like that.
No, it's not "some kind of noble affirmation", it's an instinctive behaviour. Women are pressed, biologically, to find the best mate they can attract. While consciously, it seems like we're just doing it for "shits and giggles", it is a behaviour that evolution has instilled in us. I DID say that it's unconscious, did I not? "It may not be conscious, but..."

Yes, they are both obnoxious and offensive.

One is quite a bit more offensive than the other, dear.



For flirting with guys? No. For:



And it would be hypocritical if I condoned cat-calling or puffing out their chests (!). I never did that either.

But guys do it, don't they? Are you saying you've never, ever, ever done that in your entire life? You've never ever tried to impress a woman?



Ignore me if you want to be 'spared.'

I'm getting very close to that point.



So being deliberately deceptive and manipulative for shits and giggles is some kind of noble affirmation of woman's rights? Bullshit.

I'm glad most real women I know don't think like that.

Unfortunately for you, most women do think like that in various stages in our lives.. usually when we're younger, but a number of us tend to do it when we're older too.

No, it's not "some kind of noble affirmation", it's an instinctive behaviour. Women are pressed, biologically, to find the best mate they can attract. While consciously, it seems like we're just doing it for "shits and giggles", it is a behaviour that evolution has instilled in us. I DID say that it's unconscious, did I not? "It may not be conscious, but..."

It's very conscious: "because it's fun" "because we can." That is the definition of shits and giggles right there. And if it were some inborn instinct to lead-on men you have no intention of sleeping with, just what evolutionary advantage does that confer?

I may as well excuse domestic violence on the masculine biological imperative to dominate and subdue his mates. I don't buy either excuse, because humans are thinking beings that have the capacity to not act like unthinking automatons. I don't believe "boys will be boys" and I don't believe women have no choice but to deceive and manipulate.

It's very conscious: "because it's fun" "because we can." That is the definition of shits and giggles right there. And if it were some inborn instinct to lead-on men you have no intention of sleeping with, just what evolutionary advantage does that confer?

I may as well excuse domestic violence on the masculine biological imperative to dominate and subdue his mates. I don't buy either excuse, because humans are thinking beings that have the capacity to not act like unthinking automatons. I don't believe "boys will be boys" and I don't believe women have no choice but to deceive and manipulate.
The "shits and giggles" part is what is felt consciously when we do it. The fact is that the actual behaviour is triggered by the biological need. But then, you seem to completely ignore the parts that make sense, don't you?

One is quite a bit more offensive than the other, dear.


Big deal. Thats so you could understand that one is even offensive, otherwise you just go "Tee-hee! its cute and funny!"


But guys do it, don't they? Are you saying you've never, ever, ever done that in your entire life? You've never ever tried to impress a woman?

What does impressing a woman have to do with anything? I do impress women, thank you very much; and I don't do that by pretending to be interested in one when I'm not. I know women who've been hurt by that kind of behavior.

"Guys do it" is not an excuse as two wrongs don't make a right. Take responsibility instead of just pointing fingers for justification.


Unfortunately for you, most women do think like that in various stages in our lives.. usually when we're younger, but a number of us tend to do it when we're older too.

Yes, it's unfortunate. And it's unfortunate that divorce happens at 50% of all marriages or more... that domestic violence happens... that date rape is on the rise... that media promotes the de-humanification of sexual partners in order to sell more fucking CDs.

Unfortunately, reality doesn't mean it's justified.

And as I said I'm glad I know women who ARENT snotty little girls. ;)

The "shits and giggles" part is what is felt consciously when we do it. The fact is that the actual behaviour is triggered by the biological need. But then, you seem to completely ignore the parts that make sense, don't you?

Yeah OK, and I guess a man beating the shit out of his wife is triggered by biological need. Yay! No one has a brain, no one has free will, everyone just does things because of biological need! :rolleyes:

I ignore the parts that don't make sense.

Yeah OK, and I guess a man beating the shit out of his wife is triggered by biological need. Yay! No one has a brain, no one has free will, everyone just does things because of biological need! :rolleyes:

I ignore the parts that don't make sense.
Men beating their wives is not based in "having to subdue their mates". It's a completely unrelated subject. Women teasing men is based in the biological need to reproduce. Men beating their wives is not based in anything related to reproduction, and therefore is not even remotely relevant to the topic of the thread. Please stop bringing in non-sequiturs in attempts to discredit others. It just makes yourself look worse And try to stick to the topic.

Of course I'm not surprised someone like you would find it offensive. Different people find different things offensive, and you have to get used to that in life.

Ever consider that maybe when a guy tries to impress us we might find that offensive? Of course not.. but its just a given when it comes to human nature.

And I think that is what we have been trying to point out, of course you've totally let that go over your head.

You're still trying to compare domestic violence with flirting, and the two just don't compare in any way.

I doubt any of the guys I've teased have lifelong scars from it.

I adore high heels/stilettos and would wear them everyday if I could, haha.

5 Reasons I adore heels:

1. More comfortable then tennis shoes (as a ballet dancer I have a high arch, thus heels > tennis shoes)
2. They're way cute!
3. I'm not very tall....heels > tennis shoes
4. They make almost any outfit sexier :)
5. You can make them match almost anything! (They come in so many colours :) )

Men beating their wives is not based in "having to subdue their mates". It's a completely unrelated subject. Women teasing men is based in the biological need to reproduce.

HOW.

This isn't, for the millionth time already, just about "women teasing men." Please read the original quote so I don't have to repeat myself.


Men beating their wives is not based in anything related to reproduction,

I'm not so sure of that. Since you know, it takes place with their wives, much more than some random people on the street. Generally, wives and husbands relations have SOMETHING to do with reproduction.

Doesn't mean there's a biological imperative for it though.

And try to stick to the topic.

I was, like two others, just answering a fellow poster's question. If you want to stick to the topic, quit arguing with me about that digression!

I doubt any of the guys I've teased have lifelong scars from it.

I doubt it too. But it's irrelevant.

HOW.

This isn't, for the millionth time already, just about "women teasing men." Please read the original quote so I don't have to repeat myself.

I'm not so sure of that. Since you know, it takes place with their wives, much more than some random people on the street. Generally, wives and husbands relations have SOMETHING to do with reproduction.

Doesn't mean there's a biological imperative for it though.

I was, like two others, just answering a fellow poster's question. If you want to stick to the topic, quit arguing with me about that digression!

How? I've already explained how. Try reading over my posts again. And what is it about if not teasing men? You started this entire little discussion with your statement that women tease men and lead them on because they're immature and such. When did the topic of discussion change?

As for the wife-beating, just because it happens to the women they mate with doesn't mean it's related to getting reproduction done. Men don't beat their wives to attract mates. They beat their wives for any number of poor reasons, but not to get the best mate possible.

How? I've already explained how.

No, you haven't. You've just asserted that it had something to do with getting the best mate possible. You in no way described how that particular behavioral set does that. You just said it was part of "instinctual psychology" and that it was "saying" "Oh, I'm female, I'm a sexual being, I have the ability not only to reproduce, but to find someone biologically attractive to reproduce with, even if right now actual reproduction isn't what I'm after."

That doesn't explain a damn thing. Most males of any species don't need to be deceived in order to determine if a female is a female and a sexual being.



And what is it about if not teasing men?

It is about:

flirt and lead on guys they're not interested in... and then play 'hard to get' when they find a guy they like?

You said earlier that it was about finding someone "biologically attractive." So tell me how flirting with someone you DON'T find attractive (i.e, interested in) makes that statement? It doesn't.

And we haven't even addressed the dishonest practice of playing hard to get.


As for the wife-beating, just because it happens to the women they mate with doesn't mean it's related to getting reproduction done.

Yeah, and I don't think leading random men on just for fun is related to getting reproduction done either, how about that.


And as for getting back on topic, I can't believe no one's commented on my blowjob theory! Who invented, produced, marketed and incouraged the social use of, high heels? It was almost certainly corporations and businesses run by males. Hence my theory actually makes a kind of sense.

Though it doesn't really address why women CONTINUE to wear high heels. Still, the origin of the high heel itself is important to address.

4. They make almost any outfit sexier :)
amen! :fluffle:

I hate heels. I avoid wearing them at every opportunity, until I'm on holidays and have to go to a wedding or party or something and my mum makes me. :p Even then I try to wear boots.
So impractical and purposeless.

I hate heels. I avoid wearing them at every opportunity, until I'm on holidays and have to go to a wedding or party or something and my mum makes me. :p Even then I try to wear boots.
So impractical and purposeless.
but they look gooooooooooood! http://www.ironmaiden.org/images/smilies/drool.gif

but they look gooooooooooood! http://www.ironmaiden.org/images/smilies/drool.gif
Eh, I don't need to impress people anyway. :p

I hate heels. I avoid wearing them at every opportunity, until I'm on holidays and have to go to a wedding or party or something and my mum makes me. :p Even then I try to wear boots.
So impractical and purposeless.

Boots do rule! Then again I tend to wear boots with a heel..

Boots do rule! Then again I tend to wear boots with a heel..
I don't mind boots with a little heel, I have some killer black ones. :D
I'm tall, so I just look weird with really high heels anyway.

Eh, I don't need to impress people anyway. :p
i'll bet ;)


speaking of boots, the worst type of boot (for women to wear, as far as i'm concerned) are these sort of thing:
http://z.about.com/d/shoes/1/0/-/3/081005_slouch_boots.jpg

sooo unattractive... but they seem to be in fashion at the moment/for the last couple of years... why god why!? :headbang: :mad:

i'll bet ;)


speaking of boots, the worst type of boot (for women to wear, as far as i'm concerned) are these sort of thing:
http://z.about.com/d/shoes/1/0/-/3/081005_slouch_boots.jpg

sooo unattractive... but they seem to be in fashion at the moment/for the last couple of years... why god why!? :headbang: :mad:
haven't got a clue, anyway I prefer these

http://www.vogelpoel-krommenie.nl/kleding/schoeisel/kisten.jpg

:p :p

I'm with you dude. You can't have those 'still out at 3am watching the ships come in at the bay' kind of evenings with a chick if she's in heels, because her feet start to hurt.
That's what I'm talking about! Heels aren't worth it! They really do not matter at all.

Some of the ladies I've dated take a pair of loafers with them in the car for changing into later in the evening.
Not everyone has a car.

I'm 5'6, so I wear heels to make me taller. And yes, there is the fun aspect of them complimenting a sexy outfit.. :)

But yes, they are uncomfortable to wear, not just the heels, but the pointy toes can be a bit annoying too.. but I still like to wear them.

Its also about feeling sexy and confidence too.
Don't you see that your argument is based upon circular logic?

Like most women you're working on an already given assumption that high heels are sexy, which is not necessarily true. You feel sexy in them because the industry has subtly told you to feel that way.

i'll bet ;)


speaking of boots, the worst type of boot (for women to wear, as far as i'm concerned) are these sort of thing:
http://z.about.com/d/shoes/1/0/-/3/081005_slouch_boots.jpg

sooo unattractive... but they seem to be in fashion at the moment/for the last couple of years... why god why!? :headbang: :mad:
Thankfully I'm oblivious to fashion. Hence I have 1 pair of cherry Doc Martens, 1 pair of burgundy knee high Italian boots (I got them at half price... they were the last pair!) and one pair of knee high black heels- they're cheapo ones but hey, nobody can tell.

And PM, the problem is that I tend to pick up attached people, straight women or angsty 19yr old boys. I also tended to pick people up *before* my relationship became semi-open.

haven't got a clue, anyway I prefer these

http://www.vogelpoel-krommenie.nl/kleding/schoeisel/kisten.jpg

:p :p

I love these...

http://i21.ebayimg.com/02/i/05/be/a0/68_1.JPG

That said, we women are very aware of the usefulness of heels as a weapon in certain cases..although they are not really fun to run away in.
That's not a sound argument. Running away would be a lot better because in most cases a male assailant would quickly recover from a kick, and then catch you because you can't run fast in heels.

I'm not offended in the slightest! Everyone has their own tastes and opinions, though I will say that it isn't true that most women who wear heels also put on alot of make-up and listen to pop music.

The point he was making is that in his experience wearing high heels is indicative of surrendering to mainstream culture, whereas he prefers women who think for themselves. And I agree completely.

The poll is missing the most prevelant and obvious reason: women like to wear them because they make them look and feel good (maybe not literally with stillettos, but anyway). I wear heels on occasion because they'e pretty, the same reason I wear a skirt, or put my hair up. Its simple really. Also, if you find ones that fit properly, they're not uncomfortable.
The poll is not missing that option. It's just worded differently. If this is your view, then vote Men find them attractive. Because at root that is the reason behind the "desire to look good" that most people, especially women feel.

I also think that in almost all cases, hair looks better down than up. Go with the gravity flow! Though I know that my tastes are not mainstream enough, damn I must be turning into a hippy.

Six-inch stilletos would make you almost as tall as me. Mmmmm! :D
Wow, really? I tolerate difference of taste, but shoes that would twist a lady's feet into such a posture make me shudder! Not hot in my book!

I don't find high heels attractive - I think they're pretty ridiculous myself.
I'm with ya there!

Here's another thought that confuses me about women. Why do so many of them flirt and lead on guys they're not interested in... and then play 'hard to get' when they find a guy they like?!
Because it's fun. And let's face it, men do it to women as well. I know I do it sometimes, though I know I probably shouldn't...

Well, I don't think it's exactly the same thing with men. Men don't purposely lead a woman into a bedroom, when the woman is hornier than a bull in rut, and then say "Oh, I don't feel like having sex with you today, bye!"
Few women take it that far. Think about it. If I were a woman I would never do that just in case the particular man involved didn't feel like taking no for an answer.

And we haven't even addressed the dishonest practice of playing hard to get.
Come on, men do this as well. Playing "hard to get" makes one more attractive to your love interest. Basic psychology my friend. I mean are you there for a woman you like at every moment when you are capable?

I hate heels. I avoid wearing them at every opportunity, until I'm on holidays and have to go to a wedding or party or something and my mum makes me. :p Even then I try to wear boots.
So impractical and purposeless.
but they look gooooooooooood! http://www.ironmaiden.org/images/smilies/drool.gif
Eh, I don't need to impress people anyway. :p
Now here's a real woman making sense! Be proud!

speaking of boots, the worst type of boot (for women to wear, as far as i'm concerned) are these sort of thing:
http://z.about.com/d/shoes/1/0/-/3/081005_slouch_boots.jpg

sooo unattractive... but they seem to be in fashion at the moment/for the last couple of years... why god why!?
Looks like I'm opposed to you on this one. I'm not much of a boot fan at all, but that kind are much better than nasty ol' shiny boots with heels, IMO.

I love these...

http://i21.ebayimg.com/02/i/05/be/a0/68_1.JPG
Nasty!

One of the disadvantages of high heels mentioned in the wikipedia article is that it makes it difficult to run, making women vulnerable. That vulnerability could be part of their attractiveness. Combine that with clothing that will fall off if a woman moves the wrong way and you have a combination that guys will be absolutely facinated by.

I love these...

http://i21.ebayimg.com/02/i/05/be/a0/68_1.JPG
Mmmmmmmm! [ drools ] :D

One of the disadvantages of high heels mentioned in the wikipedia article is that it makes it difficult to run, making women vulnerable. That vulnerability could be part of their attractiveness. Combine that with clothing that will fall off if a woman moves the wrong way and you have a combination that guys will be absolutely facinated by.
Hmm, I didn't think that rape fantasies were that common.

I doubt any of the guys I've teased have lifelong scars from it.
I don't know if scared would be right, but fuckin' irratated might be. Some dudes dig it, but some dudes dig some crazy shit.

Look, any chick that has complained about a dude not being able to 'read the signs' needs to turn to the chicks that like teasing dudes, because dammit-they're the ones who made the dudes gunshy. It's just too much damn effort to figure out when you're fuckin' around or not.

Ah man, and flirting to get shit, man that just demeans us both.

I'm not going as fas as SB with his faulty comparison. But it does speak to how much you think of the person you're doing it to, and that's insulting.

Do what ya like, just don't get huffy when dudes don't buy into it. (I'm not saying you do, just a general note. For all I know you only do it when you know that the dude is cool with it and knows the score. I don't know you from Eve, who knows how you operate.)

EDIT: Rereading that, I come off as pretty bitter. I should point out that I spend a disproportionate amount of time around actresses. I don't walk around with a chip on my shoulder about women. Not that I could convince anyone of that after that little rant...

Woman here, my answer was other...I only wear heels occasionally...to make me taller, sometimes, (I'm only 4ft 10) otherwise, only short comfy heels to dress up and make me feel sexier.

Makes them look taller? *shrugs*
Close: makes their legs look longer, in fact.

The poll is not missing that option. It's just worded differently. If this is your view, then vote Men find them attractive. Because at root that is the reason behind the "desire to look good" that most people, especially women feel.

I also think that in almost all cases, hair looks better down than up. Go with the gravity flow! Though I know that my tastes are not mainstream enough, damn I must be turning into a hippy.No-o. Theere is a difference. And if that is your complaint, then I have no idea why you've fixated on high heels. Youy're basically saying that anything you do to look good is for the specific benefit of people you're attacted to, and that's a much larger claim. If you would be happy wearing sweats and a mangy old t-shirts every day of your life, everywhere (school, church, party, black-tie reception, football game) then ok, you're safe from hypocricy. If not, well, it rings false to say that we shouldn't look good, because we constatantly go about without the slightest intention of landing dates (at least I do). I think there are many reasons one would want to look nice, if it's only to go to a book club which consists solely of women (given that one isn't a lesbian).

Hmm, I didn't think that rape fantasies were that common.
That's what makes fantasies fantasies: the disinclination to act on them. Living out a fantasy is usually disappointing.

Well, two women have said so far they like to "mess with men's heads" because:

"because we can"

and

"because it's fun"

I haven't noticed any men in this thread talking about how men like to beat their wives "because we can" or "because it's fun." Because, oh, THAT would be sexist and offensive.

If women are going to generalize themselves as petty and obnoxious, I am going to be daring and agree with them.
Wow. Two whole women.

I'm female and I find "messing with heads for fun" just as ridiculous. I also find it to be a trait in men as well as women. I don't see why that means I can be told I'm "childish, petty, superficial, obnoxious and vindictive" just because I happen to be the same gender as the people most commonly like that.

because messing with men's heads is so much fun
i would like to point out now that i was in fact joking when i said this, i meant to put a rolleyes smiley after it

I love these...

http://i21.ebayimg.com/02/i/05/be/a0/68_1.JPG

Ah, as they used to say, FM boots - Fuck Me Boots :)

High heels can look good, but I think I'm in the market for a girl who's more casual most of the time. I feel sneakers > heels, just as I feel boxers/panties > thongs.

No-o. Theere is a difference. And if that is your complaint, then I have no idea why you've fixated on high heels. Youy're basically saying that anything you do to look good is for the specific benefit of people you're attacted to, and that's a much larger claim. If you would be happy wearing sweats and a mangy old t-shirts every day of your life, everywhere (school, church, party, black-tie reception, football game) then ok, you're safe from hypocricy.
Hypocrisy? You're assuming that wanting to attract people is a bad thing, which it is not.

i would like to point out now that i was in fact joking when i said this, i meant to put a rolleyes smiley after it
You can't dig up, girl!

Ah, as they used to say, FM boots - Fuck Me Boots :)
Also know locally as Whoreboots.

Come on, men do this as well. Playing "hard to get" makes one more attractive to your love interest. Basic psychology my friend. I mean are you there for a woman you like at every moment when you are capable?

Men play hard to get? Lady, we need a good talk.

If a guy is not responding to your flirts, its because he hasn't noticed those flirtatious advances - guys don't play hard to get, they're like a little boy when they get attention; so any attention you give them will either have a like wise response or simply not noticed by the individual.

As for shoes I wear; this is an example below:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v420/kaiwai/IM000279.jpg

Hypocrisy? You're assuming that wanting to attract people is a bad thing, which it is not.

Nothing wrong with attracting people, its when people wear those sorts of outfits then bitch and whine because they're getting attention from guys.

Girls, the bullshit excuse of 'because I feel comfortable with my body' doesn't wash with me - you wear a revealing dress because you want attention, and like I said, nothing wrong with that, just don't get moody if you get it.

If I went off to a gay night club with a pair of bum hugging pants and a tight top, it blanty tells all those within a 50 metre radius to check out my body, and make advances if you're interested - if I don't want that sort of attention, easy, I wear something that is a little less likely to show off my body - in my case, a pair of loose pants with a shirt such as this one:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v420/kaiwai/IM000301.jpg

(mind the hair/face, bad day in regards to everything :p )

Hypocrisy? You're assuming that wanting to attract people is a bad thing, which it is not.No, I'm just saying I look good a whole lot more often that i have anyone I'm bothered about attracting kicking about.

Men play hard to get? Lady, we need a good talk.

If a guy is not responding to your flirts, its because he hasn't noticed those flirtatious advances - guys don't play hard to get, they're like a little boy when they get attention; so any attention you give them will either have a like wise response or simply not noticed by the individual.
I am a man. A straight-as-an-arrow man. I do not 'dig' being called "Lady".

Nothing wrong with attracting people, its when people wear those sorts of outfits then bitch and whine because they're getting attention from guys.

Girls, the bullshit excuse of 'because I feel comfortable with my body' doesn't wash with me - you wear a revealing dress because you want attention, and like I said, nothing wrong with that, just don't get moody if you get it.

I agree. Patriarchy, as the poster Bottle has often noted, has created a culture which tells girls to be ashamed of their sexuality. Which I disagree with.

Looks like I'm opposed to you on this one. I'm not much of a boot fan at all, but that kind are much better than nasty ol' shiny boots with heels, IMO.
nevar!!11!
they're just awful. horrible... i mean if its a matter of comfort, comfortable trainers or whatever look a million times better than shitty, flat "boots" with flappy bits that don't even fit the leg properly... evil boots! :mad:

Close: makes their legs look longer, in fact.
^ what really matters :fluffle:
that plus yummy shapeness...
amy, i just missed you on msn! i saw you sign out as i turned on this computer! nooooo :(

If I wear them at all, it's when I dress up to go out somewhere nice or if I have to in a work environment. Face it, sneakers don't look right with skirts. Aside from how they seem to accentuate the curves of a leg, they can assist with the optical illusion of being taller which, in my case, is a good thing. I have never met a comfortable high heel.

Face it, sneakers don't look right with skirts.

I beg to differ! HAWT.

I beg to differ! HAWT.

Really? I've never seen it that way. I guess it might depend on the sneakers.

Well in my case I only wear high heals if they're the only things that look good with what I'm wearing.

Because, as others have already stated, they're childish, petty, superficial, obnoxious and vindictive.

In other words, human.

I am a man. A straight-as-an-arrow man. I do not 'dig' being called "Lady".


I agree. Patriarchy, as the poster Bottle has often noted, has created a culture which tells girls to be ashamed of their sexuality. Which I disagree with.

True, maybe I'm Mr PC, but what I see out there, people females whine about 'lack of opportunties' are females looking for excuses as to why they're not successful.

For example, there was a female who became the first female apprenticeship of this company - knowing this guy, I had a talk, and he said to me, had a female come in 10 years ago wanting to do an apprenticeship, he would have been more than happy to give her one!

So what we see out there isn't necessarily the result of the mythical 'patriarchical society' but females choosing to limit their career opportunities based on what their pairs think.

In regards to the sexuality issue, thats more a biproduct of religion and this myth that somehow, females have no sexuality, they hate sex and merely are here to bear children for Mr Alpha Male - and if, shock horror, a female dares says that she enjoys having sex, she is then labelled a 'slut' and 'slapper' by chauvinistic males who lay claim that men should be able to 'sow their wild oats' but expect their future wife to be a virgin on the wedding night!

High heels are just plain ugly, and they look very uncomfortable to walk in, so I really can't fathom why women do that to themselves!? :rolleyes:

I don't wear high heels much, and I never wear pointy ones. My two pairs I do have (one boots, one shoes) I wear because they're comfortable and kinda fun. Why're they fun? Well, I don't think really it gets me attention, but it makes me feel sexier and more feminine. To me, it's really all about if I like them or not.

I don't wear suggestive dresses or clothes though, because that's not about me being comfortable with my body... that's all about other people being comfortable with my body too. And I don't want other people being comfortable with my body. It's MY body, not theirs.

My wife exclusively wears them in bed. Serious.

I am a Male and like Polls.

They are alright(Not so enthusiastic here) but why wear them and the complain about your feet being in so much pain?

please stop retarding your Ankles.

I never wear them. I don't care whether men like them or whether other women like them or whatever - I wear what I like. And I don't like high heels, because I find them tremendously uncomfortable.

I am male, and like Harlesburg, I like polls.

I do not like the way very tall high heels look on women. My ladyfriend's high heel's look ok, but they're just under an inch. High heels taller than that are a big turn off for me.

However, I plan on getting her some combat boots soon, because I think combat boots make women look incredibly sexy.

Women also learn not to complain to me about how their feet hurt after wearing high heels. Why? Because I'm extremely unsympathetic when they do. As in "Well then don't wear those stupid shoes, moron." I can be an asshole like that sometimes. ;)

Anyway, that's my take on it.

Why're they fun? Well, I don't think really it gets me attention, but it makes me feel sexier and more feminine. To me, it's really all about if I like them or not.
Why do they feel sexier and more feminine? Are the feet you have already too masculine? How does bending them unnaturally (and in the case of pointy shoes, crushing them) make them more feminine?

Why do they feel sexier and more feminine? Are the feet you have already too masculine? How does bending them unnaturally (and in the case of pointy shoes, crushing them) make them more feminine?
it's the way they make you stand

I voted other, because I don't wear them for any other reason than to feel good about myself and my appearance. I think they look good on me, and to be really honest, I couldn't give two shits what anyone else thought. I love how glamorous my heels always make me feel. I love how they look. I love how my legs look in them. I always immediately walk taller, and prouder in my heels because I feel good. I feel glamorous and pretty, and feminine and beautiful.

And yes, before anyone points it out, I know its because I'm a victim of a patriarchal society whose men are sooooooooooooo sadistic that they want to see women in pain and subject them to this practice akin to the torture of footbinding./sarcasm.

Oh and I don't complain in them because I actually find them quite comfortable, and if they do become painful, its my own damn fault for wanting to wear them...why ruin everyone's night by whinging?