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http://news.yahoo.com/s/po/20051202/co_po/southafricahighcourtoksgaymarriage

I find this to be both sad and ironic. (while this is an old news piece I only came across it a few hours ago, talk about being out of the loop I know).

And I say, Good for them.

Sweet Buddha, how did this happen? :eek: > :confused: > :(

America, 2005: rising to the occasion, and meeting the needs of 1805.

*edit: 1605. Do I hear 1305? 1305? 1605 Going once, twice...

While this may be one "progressive step" I hardly find South Africa's ridiculously high crime and unemployment to be particularly great.

America, 2005: rising to the occasion, and meeting the needs of 1805.Oh man.. If I had room in my sig, that would go in it.

And here I am, coming into a thread, expecting the statement to be backed up with actual facts.

While this may be one "progressive step" I hardly find South Africa's ridiculously high crime and unemployment to be particularly great.Ehm.. While America surely is doing a lot better, I'm not sure I'd be actually hilighting US crime rates as something positive.

It's kind of like claiming America is more democratic than Iran..

America is still better :rolleyes:

Pugna']America is still better :rolleyes:
No-one is "better" at anything.

C'mon, now - you heard the man, it's still is better.

'Cause they use copper tubing.

While this may be one "progressive step" I hardly find South Africa's ridiculously high crime and unemployment to be particularly great.

Amen.

Gay rights are not the end all and be all on what is expected of a modern democracy with values pertaining to rule of law and avoidance of the tyranny of majority.

While the US is a dreadfully homophobic society, less progressive than South Africa on numerous other points they are not. Let's not get carried away - the US has a great deal of shame on itself for its record in this, but South Africa has much shame in others. Weigh those things in before you proclaim either to more or less anything.

Sweet Buddha, how did this happen? :eek: > :confused: > :(

How this happened is very simple...

While the rest of the world has embraced progressive agendas America has embraced social conservative agendas that have paralyzed Social/Scientific growth in America, allowing the rest of the world a chance to surpase America.

That is what happened.

Ehm.. While America surely is doing a lot better, I'm not sure I'd be actually hilighting US crime rates as something positive.

It's kind of like claiming America is more democratic than Iran..

Agreed. But using your logic, calling South Africa more progressive than America just because of one single aspect (while at the same neglecting the egregious economic and overall social standards), is equally a fallacy.

No-one is "better" at anything.

*clearly* untrue. when was the last time South Africa invaded a country on the other side of the globe? Oh thats right.,NEVER. Why? Because the US is better at projecting military power globally.

Because the US is better at projecting military power globally.
What's "better" about that? Your statement makes a number of assumptions.

Agreed. But using your logic, calling South Africa more progressive than America just because of one single aspect (while at the same neglecting the egregious economic and overall social standards), is equally a fallacy.No argument there :)

However, when comparing specific aspects of various societies, the word is perfectlu usefull & accurate. Overall though, I wouldn't label SA as more progressive than the US.

How this happened is very simple...

While the rest of the world has embraced progressive agendas America has embraced social conservative agendas that have paralyzed Social/Scientific growth in America, allowing the rest of the world a chance to surpase America.

That is what happened.

It's okay, really. We're being left behind down here too!

Overall though, I wouldn't label SA as more progressive than the US.

I'm glad. That was my only point. :)

While the rest of the world has embraced progressive agendas America has embraced social conservative agendas that have paralyzed Social/Scientific growth in America, allowing the rest of the world a chance to surpase America.

Ha!

While this may be one "progressive step" I hardly find South Africa's ridiculously high crime and unemployment to be particularly great.

Your right. The only nation on Earth I have been to and felt more in danger than in combat. S Africa I love the beauty but it is politically and socially a sketchy place.

America, 2005: rising to the occasion, and meeting the needs of 1805.

*edit: 1605. Do I hear 1305? 1305? 1605 Going once, twice...

Oh yes of course from a citizen whose nation probably won't exist in the long term. Splitting at the seams due to political correctness.