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He's certainly on a roll, now that finger pointing and harsh language has been determined to be torturous. I mean, whats not to like about McCain?

Bush, the greatest leader of our time, will sure be a tough act to follow, and I think McCain is the only man on the planet who can continue leading our country in the same positive direction we have all come to enjoy these last 5 yrs.

I knew I loved McCain the minute he did us a favor and got rid of all that free speech that the founders left us with. I don't know how we survived as a nation for the 225 years before Campaign Finance Reform became law. People don't need to say bad things about the incumbents. After all, they are just trying to keep their jobs.

I'm all for McCain - I think he'll be the Republican Bill Clinton of the modern age. The guys got charisma, he's got heart, and he's got popularity. Plus I think he knows what issues need to be addressed as a moderate and which ones need to be addressed as a conservative. My only worries is that the Bush Presidency didn't ruin the party's name too much - there are great Republicans out there (even Bush isn't that bad <the economy is growing> except he doesn't know how to deal with out-of-the-norm situations) but the polarization in the people isn't going to help a bid for McCain any.

Besides, I think that given the choice between McCain and an unnamed Democrat, people would go for McCain.

You're joking about Bush being the greatest leader of our time, right? You can't be serious.

How about a choice between McCain and Clinton? That's the most likely match, right now.

Is there a shred of difference between them? Besides the evil factor, I mean. Hillary wins that contest, hands down.

You're joking about Bush being the greatest leader of our time, right? You can't be serious.
*chuckles at the confusion*

He's a committed free trader and is fiscally conservative, so I'd vote for him in '08 if he ran against Hillary. But if Warner were to run against him, it would be a much tougher decision.

He's a committed free trader and is fiscally conservative, so I'd vote for him in '08 if he ran against Hillary. But if Warner were to run against him, it would be a much tougher decision.
Another election decided by who is the least incompetent and least disgusting. What a lovely campaign we will have to look forward to.

Another election decided by who is the least incompetent and least disgusting. What a lovely campaign we will have to look forward to.

These days, I usually try to choose the one that will do the least damage rather than the most competent, since none of them are. We're in another era of Gilded Age politics (and we know how competent the politicians of that timeperiod were).

Bush, the greatest leader of our time, will sure be a tough act to follow, and I think McCain is the only man on the planet who can continue leading our country in the same positive direction we have all come to enjoy these last 5 yrs.
Well, if that is the case I will have to make an excuse not to vote for McCain. All we need is another douche in the White House running his own agenda and not giving a fuck about the American people.

I would vote for McCain no matter what party he got the nom for. Though, the Reps will not touch him because he has had the intelligence to go against the bullshit Bush has been spewing out. Also, Bush tried to make McCain look like a Manchurian Canidate in 2000, so that could be a factor.

Still, I would vote for him and Bush must fall.

Because it is pretty much desided that Clinton will get the dems nomination. I would vote for any republican up for office because how much I dispise the Clintons. But if McCain ran I don't think he could win. The only possibility for the republicans to win is if Condi ran and I don't think she is going to. But yes I would vote for McCain without a doubt.

Because it is pretty much desided that Clinton will get the dems nomination. I would vote for any republican up for office because how much I dispise the Clintons. But if McCain ran I don't think he could win. The only possibility for the republicans to win is if Condi ran and I don't think she is going to. But yes I would vote for McCain without a doubt.

It's been pretty much decided by Republicans that Hillary will get the Democratic nomination. Fortunately, though, it's Democrats who actually get to decide this, and they aren't nearly as enthusiastic about her chances.

:rolleyes:

You looking for a serious discussion, Myrmidonisia?

Well, even if you aren't, here goes.

I'd have voted for McCain given the chance in 2000. Even though I liked Gore, I'd have voted for McCain, because he had me convinced with the "straight talk express" and all the rest of it, even though his policies are more conservative than I'm comfortable with generally speaking. He wasn't a knee-jerk reactionary Republican, didn't take his cues from Limbaugh and Falwell.

But something changed in him after his early successes, especially after what happened to him in South Carolina that year. I think he tasted success and liked it, and ever since then, he's been angling for one more shot at the Presidency, and so he's been willing to do whatever's necessary to get that shot--kissing up to Dobson and Falwell, working hard for the re-election of the man who ran that despicable campaign against him in 2000, and generally playing knee-jerk ractionary politics while coasting on a rep as a moderate that he probably deserved at one time.

So no McCain for me, thanks just the same.

Americans elected two chicken hawk draftdodgers in a row. I doubt they will vote a soldier into office.

He's certainly on a roll, now that finger pointing and harsh language has been determined to be torturous. I mean, whats not to like about McCain?

Bush, the greatest leader of our time, will sure be a tough act to follow, and I think McCain is the only man on the planet who can continue leading our country in the same positive direction we have all come to enjoy these last 5 yrs.

I knew I loved McCain the minute he did us a favor and got rid of all that free speech that the founders left us with. I don't know how we survived as a nation for the 225 years before Campaign Finance Reform became law. People don't need to say bad things about the incumbents. After all, they are just trying to keep their jobs.
I've got to disagree with your opinion of Bush, but McCain is a good man. He seems to be one of the very few honest politicians out there. It's a shame some pro-Bush smear campaigners sabotaged the primary elections in 2000 by spreading rumors that McCain's adopted Bangladeshi daughter was actually the product of marital infidelity with a black prostitute.

It's been pretty much decided by Republicans that Hillary will get the Democratic nomination. Fortunately, though, it's Democrats who actually get to decide this, and they aren't nearly as enthusiastic about her chances.

:rolleyes:

Sorry if I offended you. I don't see why you would have been but I was basing it on I have asked democrat organization at my college and they say most of them are going to vote for Hilliary. So at least in with georgia democrats she has a huge lead over anyone else in the party. That is all i was basing it on.

"What About McCain in '08?"

I can live with that. Far better McCain than Hillary! [ shudders ]

You looking for a serious discussion, Myrmidonisia?

It didn't start that way. I'm just frustrated with the 'conservative' positions on liberty. McCain is happy to legislate away our rights in plain view and Bush is holding to his position that we should dispense with some civil rights, here and there, to fight terrorists. What bothers me about McCain is that he might actually win the Republican nomination.

I'm hoping Russ Feingold will run for señor presidente (;) ). Mccain is a good guy but I disagree with him on a lot of things seeing as he is often conservative. I WOULD NOT vote for Hillary Clinton, she is a bitch, and even if she is a fellow liberal, I would rather vote for a republican than see her in office.

Reasoning: One example of why I despise her is the fact that she wants to censor videogames!

He's certainly on a roll, now that finger pointing and harsh language has been determined to be torturous. I mean, whats not to like about McCain?

Bush, the greatest leader of our time, will sure be a tough act to follow, and I think McCain is the only man on the planet who can continue leading our country in the same positive direction we have all come to enjoy these last 5 yrs.

I knew I loved McCain the minute he did us a favor and got rid of all that free speech that the founders left us with. I don't know how we survived as a nation for the 225 years before Campaign Finance Reform became law. People don't need to say bad things about the incumbents. After all, they are just trying to keep their jobs.

You confuse me. You call Bush the greatest leader of our time, and in the same breath tout John McCain. McCain will surely get the votes of RINOS like you (Republicans in Name Only) who are moderate on every issue and just love to "play it safe" down the middle. McCain won't make it past the primary, mark my words. There are way too many conservative Republicans left to take him down...because we don't trust him one bit.

You confuse me. You call Bush the greatest leader of our time, and in the same breath tout John McCain. McCain will surely get the votes of RINOS like you (Republicans in Name Only) who are moderate on every issue and just love to "play it safe" down the middle. McCain won't make it past the primary, mark my words. There are way too many conservative Republicans left to take him down...because we don't trust him one bit.
I give up. You couldn't have read the paragraph I wrote about McCain and still say I tout him.

I'm hoping Russ Feingold will run for señor presidente (;) ). Mccain is a good guy but I disagree with him on a lot of things seeing as he is often conservative. I WOULD NOT vote for Hillary Clinton, she is a bitch, and even if she is a fellow liberal, I would rather vote for a republican than see her in office.

Reasoning: One example of why I despise her is the fact that she wants to censor videogames!
Also the bill she sponcered to give Puerto Rico Residents A 50 million dollar tax break. :rolleyes:

Once again, pigs will fly and it will be a frosty day in Hell before I vote Republican. I don't care who's on the ticket.

Once again, pigs will fly and it will be a frosty day in Hell before I vote Republican. I don't care who's on the ticket.

Very intelligent.

Once again, pigs will fly and it will be a frosty day in Hell before I vote Republican. I don't care who's on the ticket.
Anybody who scared the bush people enough that they had to slander his family in order to make sure he didn't win the primaries is OK with me.

Once again, pigs will fly and it will be a frosty day in Hell before I vote Republican. I don't care who's on the ticket.

That's not exactly the best attitude to prevent totalitarianism...I mean, what if the Democrat was a fundamentalist or something?

That's not exactly the best attitude to prevent totalitarianism...I mean, what if the Democrat was a fundamentalist or something?

I didn't say I'd vote Democrat, I simply said I would never vote Republican.

Once again, pigs will fly and it will be a frosty day in Hell before I vote Republican. I don't care who's on the ticket.
We have a breed in Georgia that we call "Yella dog Democrats". They put about as much thought into how they vote. In case someone isn't familiar with the phrase, it means that they would vote for a yellow dog, if it were on the Democratic ticket.

I think that's how Carter was elected.

He's certainly on a roll, now that finger pointing and harsh language has been determined to be torturous. I mean, whats not to like about McCain?

Bush, the greatest leader of our time, will sure be a tough act to follow, and I think McCain is the only man on the planet who can continue leading our country in the same positive direction we have all come to enjoy these last 5 yrs.

I knew I loved McCain the minute he did us a favor and got rid of all that free speech that the founders left us with. I don't know how we survived as a nation for the 225 years before Campaign Finance Reform became law. People don't need to say bad things about the incumbents. After all, they are just trying to keep their jobs.

I would prefer Rudi over McCain. If McCain and Leiberman were the candidates, I might just vote for Joe.

We have a breed in Georgia that we call "Yella dog Democrats". They put about as much thought into how they vote. In case someone isn't familiar with the phrase, it means that they would vote for a yellow dog, if it were on the Democratic ticket.

I think that's how Carter was elected.


See post #27.

I would prefer Rudi over McCain. If McCain and Leiberman were the candidates, I might just vote for Joe.
If we could only get Lieberman to switch parties. He'll never have a chance as a Democrat because he isn't 'Dean' enough.

You're joking about Bush being the greatest leader of our time, right? You can't be serious.

I think history will be a lot kinder to Bush than many people on this forum have been. :eek:

I didn't say I'd vote Democrat, I simply said I would never vote Republican.

Unfortunately, it's always going to be one or the other in the US...

See post #27.
Didn't say you would. Just that you put very little thought into it.

I think history will be a lot kinder to Bush than many people on this forum have been. :eek:

Not while I'm alive it won't.

Didn't say you would. Just that you put very little thought into it.

Actually, I did ... that's why I would never, ever vote Republican ... because I *can* put thought into my vote.

How about a choice between McCain and Clinton? That's the most likely match, right now.

Is there a shred of difference between them? Besides the evil factor, I mean. Hillary wins that contest, hands down.

Polls disagree with you. Either Rudi or McCain can beat Clinton, in fact many people think they are the only ones that can.

Unfortunately, it's always going to be one or the other in the US...

Not necessarily. There's more to voting than just for President.

If we could only get Lieberman to switch parties. He'll never have a chance as a Democrat because he isn't 'Dean' enough.
Here's what you guys don't get about Lieberman's level of dislike among activist democrats--it has very little to do with his voting record. His voting record is actually pretty progressive, except on the Iraq War. What we dislike is the way he goes on Fox News and bashes his own party because he knows that gets him face time. Ben Nelson of Nebraska is way more conservative than Lieberman, but he doesn't act like he's ashamed to be a Democrat. Lieberman does, and he's from a very Democratic state, so he's got no excuse for it.

In a lot of ways, Lieberman and McCain are a lot alike--they get credit for being moderate when they really aren't.

Not necessarily. There's more to voting than just for President.

True, but the president can control the courts, and the courts can do a lot of things that can't be stopped by any other branch.

Once again, pigs will fly and it will be a frosty day in Hell before I vote Republican. I don't care who's on the ticket.

I love "yellow dog democrats." My dad was one.

I think history will be a lot kinder to Bush than many people on this forum have been. :eek:
I tend to agree with that, but he's made a lot of mistakes, so I'm not quite as certain as you are.

Actually, I did ... that's why I would never, ever vote Republican ... because I *can* put thought into my vote.

The Democrats aren't any smarter than the Republicans...they've ruined their fair share of regions as well through their policies.

I love "yellow dog democrats." My dad was one.

Why do you people keep bringing up Democrats? I'm not a Democrat.

Hell ... there's an INDEPENDENT for governor in my sig.

What is it with this forum and reading comprehension?

i'd vote for maccain... sure that mulatto love child thing is disturbing, but at least he has enough shame to claim its some indian kid he adopted.

Unfortunately, it's always going to be one or the other in the US...

No, there are other parties. It's just that third parties never seem to win. Remember George Wallace, Ralph Nader, Ross Perot?

No, there are other parties. It's just that third parties never seem to win. Remember George Wallace, Ralph Nader, Ross Perot?

Exactly what I mean. Our system is pretty much designed not to allow third parties...

No, there are other parties. It's just that third parties never seem to win ...

The Presidency ..... yet.

Plenty of independents and third party have made it into Congress and into local and state legislative bodies.

Actually ... I take that back ... Abraham Lincoln was a third party candidate.

I tend to agree with that, but he's made a lot of mistakes, so I'm not quite as certain as you are.

I don't know of any President that hasn't made mistakes. :D

I love "yellow dog democrats." My dad was one.

but the party of lincoln was some 1864, now all the slave states vote republican and the free states are considering joining canada.

i'd vote for maccain... sure that mulatto love child thing is disturbing, but at least he has enough shame to claim its some indian kid he adopted.

:confused:

Why do you people keep bringing up Democrats? I'm not a Democrat.

Hell ... there's an INDEPENDENT for governor in my sig.

What is it with this forum and reading comprehension?
I don't think there's any problem with our comprehension. You have just decided that any candidate that is Republican is a bad candidate, no matter what.

There's no disgrace in being a political bigot, you know. As long as you hate Republicans.

Plenty of independents and third party have made it into Congress and into local and state legislative bodies..

Congress has two candidates that aren't Republicans or Democrats out of 439.

The situation's much better locally and in states, however, so it might branch out in to the national scene someday. However, there just don't seem to be the divisive issues necessary to create a true third party.

I don't know of any President that hasn't made mistakes. :Dwilliam harrison made relatively few, after the one about not wearing a coat to the inaugural.

I don't think there's any problem with our comprehension. You have just decided that any candidate that is Republican is a bad candidate, no matter what.

There's no disgrace in being a political bigot, you know. As long as you hate Republicans.

It's not political bigotry, it's political intelligence. Republicans are, quite simply, soulless, toughtless and insane.

They've proven that quite nicely over the last 30 years. Deal with it. :p

I don't know of any President that hasn't made mistakes. :D
They ARE human you know ... well, perhaps not James Earl Carter, but there are exceptions to every rule! :D

Congress has two candidates that aren't Republicans or Democrats out of 439.

The situation's much better locally and in states, however, so it might branch out in to the national scene someday. However, there just don't seem to be the divisive issues necessary to create a true third party.
One is a socialist. Are you counting Ron Paul as the other?

:confused:
sorry, mccain's(no A between the Cs) mulatto love child...


surely you've heard about mccain's mixed race illegitimate child... its how bush beat him in the south in 2000

It's not political bigotry, it's political intelligence. Republicans are, quite simply, soulless, toughtless and insane.

Look at Detroit, or Cleveland, or Philadelphia, or New Orleans or many other cities if you want to see the same with Democrats. They ruined those cities through corruption, incompetence, and thoughtlessness. They can be just as bad.

Look at Detroit, or Cleveland, or Philadelphia, or New Orleans or many other cities if you want to see the same with Democrats. They ruined those cities through corruption, incompetence, and thoughtlessness. They can be just as bad.
You just made me think of Trafficant. Now I can't get that lousy toupee out of my mind.

One is a socialist. Are you counting Ron Paul as the other?

Nope, James Jeffords. He's still an independent.

Sorry if I offended you. I don't see why you would have been but I was basing it on I have asked democrat organization at my college and they say most of them are going to vote for Hilliary. So at least in with georgia democrats she has a huge lead over anyone else in the party. That is all i was basing it on.
I wasn't offended. I just find it somewhat silly that so many people are already giving her the nomination. Especially the Republican right; she's their dream candidate because they are sure that they can beat her.

There are a lot of mainstream Democrats who don't want Hillary to be the nominee. We don't even know who all of the Democratic candidates will be, so expecting the entire party to automatically support her isn't realistic. The Democratic primaries will be hotly contested, and I don't expect her to make it through all of them.

Likely candidates other than Hillary at this point include John Edwards and Mark Warner. Other possibilities are Dean, Kucinich, Obama, and Sharpton. But we won't know the full slate for at least another two years.

Look at Detroit, or Cleveland, or Philadelphia, or New Orleans or many other cities if you want to see the same with Democrats. They ruined those cities through corruption, incompetence, and thoughtlessness. They can be just as bad.


I'm not a Democrat. However, given a choice between just the two, the Democrats are far less evil.

One is a socialist. Are you counting Ron Paul as the other?
Bernie Sanders is the one you're thinking about. Jim Jeffords is an Independent also.

but the party of lincoln was some 1864, now all the slave states vote republican and the free states are considering joining canada.

:confused:

He's a committed free trader
That's a no for me, then. "Free trade" isn't free -- the price we pay is our jobs and our self-sufficiency.

McCain is too old, also he is to far to the left to win in any Republican primary.

And for the record " torture" is not making someone stand up for hours, blaring crappy rap music, ect.

disconfort? yes. " torture" NO. getting your head sawed off with a dull knife? the perfured method of the enemies of the west " radical Islam " thats torture.

I dont want terrorist coddled, I dont want them lawyered up either, I want them either getting the crap kicked out of them so they cough up what they know OR locked way with bread, and water, PERIOD.

no TV, no Radio, just sit. and if they so much say Boo at our guards, you take them out back, and you shoot them.


I know that will sound hardcore to some, but there is a war on, you dont F about when at war.


thats my 2 cents on the subject.

I'm all for McCain - I think he'll be the Republican Bill Clinton of the modern age.

McCain is such a Rino (republican in name only) but anyone is better than Hilary. Goddamnit I hate Hilary.

Because it is pretty much desided that Clinton will get the dems nomination.I dont think so.

disconfort? yes. " torture" NO. getting your head sawed off with a dull knife? the perfured method of the enemies of the west " radical Islam " thats torture.


You think radical Islam holds the market on terrorism?

What about the Tamil Tigers? They're a secular, Marxist-Leninist group drawn from Hindu families and happen to be the world's leading practitioners of suicide bombings.

How many people have had their heads sawed off by Islamists? Number please, with source.

Now how many people have had their fingernails pulled out in Iraqi prisons overseen by the US, but with enough distance to maintain plausable deniability?

It's been pretty much decided by Republicans that Hillary will get the Democratic nomination. Fortunately, though, it's Democrats who actually get to decide this, and they aren't nearly as enthusiastic about her chances.

:rolleyes:
EXACTAMENTE

Oh, and guys ... once again ... Hillary will not run in 2008. You can't get the nomination if you don't run for the office.

Denouncing Hillary as President is continued proof of the Republican functional retardation. You can't denounce her for something she doesn't even have to desire to achieve. SHE WILL NOT RUN.

As my U.S. History teacher loves to say,

"Sectional Feeling!"

Is it wrong to think that the hardliners who are dominating political discussion should be locked in a football stadium filled with various weapons caches hidden throughout and with a full video uplink of all the action?

As for McCain, well, he's got some things going for him. Like the fact that he's not Bush, Hillary Clinton, nor even Condaleeza Rice. Or any of those other characters whose names have wide recognition.

And since Colin Powell probably isn't going to run for this next one...

Oh, and guys ... once again ... Hillary will not run in 2008. You can't get the nomination if you don't run for the office.

Denouncing Hillary as President is continued proof of the Republican functional retardation. You can't denounce her for something she doesn't even have to desire to achieve. SHE WILL NOT RUN.
But she is coasting to a re-election victory and she'll have a ton of money left over. She is certainly far enough left, or will be by primary time, to satisfy the primary voters. What's going against her?

Oh, and guys ... once again ... Hillary will not run in 2008. You can't get the nomination if you don't run for the office.

Denouncing Hillary as President is continued proof of the Republican functional retardation. You can't denounce her for something she doesn't even have to desire to achieve. SHE WILL NOT RUN.
Oh, I think she'll run--she'd be a fool not to give it a try to be the first female candidate with a real shot at the nomination. But I don't think she'll win. The more liberal wing of the party looks at her moves toward the center (the flag-burning and video game legislation) and sees her as someone who'll toss them under the bus if she can. They also don't like her Iraq War stance, among other things. The moderates are afraid that she'll be tarred as an uber-liberal by the right-wingers in talk radio and on Fox News, so they'll shy away from her somewhat as well. All she really has is money and name recognition right now, and that will fade as the primaries get closer.

What's going against her?

Mainstream Democrats don't like her, that's what's going against her. She's too conservative. She may as well be Republican.

Don't try to pass off the same person who believes in video game censorship as being "left".

Oh, I think she'll run--she'd be a fool not to give it a try to be the first female candidate with a real shot at the nomination.

Meh .... I have too many bets with too many people and will have too many Republicans to call up and say "HA! TOLD YA SO!"

She won't run. Not in 2008. 2012 or 2016? Maybe.

I still wouldn't vote for her, though. Too conservative.

Americans elected two chicken hawk draftdodgers in a row. I doubt they will vote a soldier into office.


President Bush was in the Texas Air National Guard.

thus could have been sent to vietnam, Mr Clintion , fled the country.


dont make me list all the former generals that the US elected to the office of President. so American have voted " Soldiers: into office.

that is historical fact.


my 2 cents again.

McCain is too old, also he is to far to the left to win in any Republican primary.

And for the record " torture" is not making someone stand up for hours, blaring crappy rap music, ect.

disconfort? yes. " torture" NO. getting your head sawed off with a dull knife? the perfured method of the enemies of the west " radical Islam " thats torture.

I dont want terrorist coddled, I dont want them lawyered up either, I want them either getting the crap kicked out of them so they cough up what they know OR locked way with bread, and water, PERIOD.

no TV, no Radio, just sit. and if they so much say Boo at our guards, you take them out back, and you shoot them.


I know that will sound hardcore to some, but there is a war on, you dont F about when at war.


thats my 2 cents on the subject.

Finnaly someone who gets it. The simple point of the matter is you can and probabely should use phsyical torture, it's just the mental and sexual stuff I don't condone. Long and short of it being, would they extend us the same honorable treatment that we are expected to give them? so far no, their people will stop being beaten when they stop using pathetic cowardly tactics.

Now I don't know who said McCain won't be put in because america likes draft dodgers but they are probabely right. it is a sad day when the country with the most efficient military elects someone who wasn't man enough to take a phsyical.

also in no way do I mean that the u.s. has not elected former army officials in the past yet in these recent years with the best president of late being a former actor well...things don't look good.

Mainstream Democrats don't like her, that's what's going against her. She's too conservative. She may as well be Republican.

Don't try to pass off the same person who believes in video game censorship as being "left".
She will be whatever she needs to be. Just watch what happens. That may be her downfall, but she doesn't seem to have any political philosophy, other than to be elected.

He is a democrat. Liberal at that.

He is a democrat. Liberal at that.

Were you trying to say "Libertarian"?

Were you trying to say "Libertarian"?

If I know what he's thinking of I believe he correctly said Liberal. I don't understand McCain...why not just call yourself a democrat when you agree with a majority of democratic ideals and stances?

If I know what he's thinking of I believe he correctly said Liberal. I don't understand McCain...why not just call yourself a democrat when you agree with a majority of democratic ideals and stances?
Ummm, because he doesn't? :rolleyes:

I don't think there's any problem with our comprehension. You have just decided that any candidate that is Republican is a bad candidate, no matter what.

There's no disgrace in being a political bigot, you know. As long as you hate Republicans.

Keruvalia is a racist. He doesn't believe in the Republican race. He is such a racist; he probably can't even say the word Rep..Rep...Repyou...choke...choke...:D

They ARE human you know ... well, perhaps not James Earl Carter, but there are exceptions to every rule! :D

You are right, Jimmy never made a mistake. Those aircraft flaming in the desert night were not his fault. :(

sorry, mccain's(no A between the Cs) mulatto love child...


surely you've heard about mccain's mixed race illegitimate child... its how bush beat him in the south in 2000

:confused: :confused: You are getting me deeper and deeper into confusion, or is it the dreaded Alzheimer’s? :D No, I have no idea what you are talking about when you mention McCain’s illegitimate mixed race kid.

Finnaly someone who gets it. The simple point of the matter is you can and probabely should use phsyical torture, it's just the mental and sexual stuff I don't condone. Long and short of it being, would they extend us the same honorable treatment that we are expected to give them? so far no, their people will stop being beaten when they stop using pathetic cowardly tactics.
You mean, aside from the fact that it's unreliable information? Torture victims typically say whatever will make their tormentors happy, whether it's true or not.

Plus, y'know, two wrongs don't make a right.

Oh, and guys ... once again ... Hillary will not run in 2008.

Yeah right. And how do you know? Because she says so. Oh, and you, Bill and Hillary would never tell a lie. Right?

...As for McCain, well, he's got some things going for him. Like the fact that he's not Bush, Hillary Clinton, nor even Condaleeza Rice. Or any of those other characters whose names have wide recognition.

And since Colin Powell probably isn't going to run for this next one...

But Rudi might. Don't count him out yet.

I think we will see a split in one of the two partys in 08 its overdue anyhow what needs to happen to get this nation back to its "morals" is to get a minor party in their one that is going to fix the constatution and take out all this bs thats been put in it and annilate the patriot act how many of you know what the patriot act dose????


If no minor party can get in the big race this time thought i will vote for Macain before that witch hillery the united states is not yet ready for a women president.

Mainstream Democrats don't like her, that's what's going against her. She's too conservative. She may as well be Republican....

What one says, and what one does is not always the same. She has never been a conservative Democrat but she has always been a political opportunist.

i'd vote for maccain... sure that mulatto love child thing is disturbing, but at least he has enough shame to claim its some indian kid he adopted.
Yeah, mulattos are disturbing. You don't know whether they have enough of those good black genes to make them decent people or if the white half will just turn them into serial killers.

I think we will see a split in one of the two partys in 08 its overdue anyhow what needs to happen to get this nation back to its "morals" is to get a minor party in their one that is going to fix the constatution and take out all this bs thats been put in it and annilate the patriot act how many of you know what the patriot act dose????


If no minor party can get in the big race this time thought i will vote for Macain before that witch hillery the united states is not yet ready for a women president.


[B] = *sigh*

[u] = What on Earth do you base this on?

I'm not even going to mess with punctuation on this one. :rolleyes:

That's not exactly the best attitude to prevent totalitarianism...I mean, what if the Democrat was a fundamentalist or something?

The fundis moved to the Republicans(the Dixicrats).....

That's a no for me, then. "Free trade" isn't free -- the price we pay is our jobs and our self-sufficiency.

We were never self sufficent; free trade, if truly liberalized, would benefit the US immensely because we have the technology and the educated workforce necessary to keep our edge over anyone else for a long time.

Job losses occur because we can't compete with other countries who are doing the same thing America did to make itself great; they are making products of equal or better quality for less price. It's competition, and if we make ourselves competitive we can thrive. Protectionism nearly destroyed America.

We have a breed in Georgia that we call "Yella dog Democrats". They put about as much thought into how they vote. In case someone isn't familiar with the phrase, it means that they would vote for a yellow dog, if it were on the Democratic ticket.

I think that's how Carter was elected.

And the fact Ford was such a steller President and Candidate had nothing to help with that?

The fundis moved to the Republicans(the Dixicrats).....

There are still a few holdouts in the South, but overall the religious right is a Republican stronghold.

I think history will be a lot kinder to Bush than many people on this forum have been. :eek:

Probably not. What thing has he acomplished? Iraq isn't over. The Taliban are returning in Afghanistan......

And the fact Ford was such a steller President and Candidate had nothing to help with that?
But he did provide material for some darned funny SNL sketches.

Ford lost the election with his pardons.

a political opportunist.

Doesn't that pretty much describe most politicians?

Probably not. What thing has he acomplished? Iraq isn't over. The Taliban are returning in Afghanistan......

But at the same time, Iraq's election was a resounding success; it's going to take more than four years to determine a victory or defeat in these countries.

Why do you people keep bringing up Democrats? I'm not a Democrat.

Hell ... there's an INDEPENDENT for governor in my sig.

What is it with this forum and reading comprehension?

Just because they don't believe what you write doesn't mean they don't understand what you say.

But at the same time, Iraq's election was a resounding success; it's going to take more than four years to determine a victory or defeat in these countries.

That's the point. You can't really say what people are going to say because things aren't over. If Iraq changes to an Iranian style goverment and the Taliban take over Afghanistan, they he will be a foreign affairs flop.

What has he done locally?...

There are still a few holdouts in the South, but overall the religious right is a Republican stronghold.
In usual fashion, I think we'll be seeing that gap patched in the upcoming elections. Whenever you can see an actual difference in the two bullshit parties, the other goes running (and fast) toward center by mimicking the behavior of the other (if it worked, sometimes if it didn't).
I predict we see a lot more God-posturing from the Democrats. The majority of voters will be choosing between the white Christian party, or the other that's slightly more inclusive. What a choice!

That's the point. You can't really say what people are going to say because things aren't over. If Iraq changes to an Iranian style goverment and the Taliban take over Afghanistan, they he will be a foreign affairs flop.

What has he done locally?...

Well, he tried to negotiate trade agreements with South/Central America, which would have been of considerable benefit to our technology industry, and has made progress on the Chinese revaluation of the yuan. He also made the R&D tax cut permanent and more effective, and the tax cuts did help revitalize the economy. Selecting Ben Bernanke as Fed chairman was a good move.

However, he's also done some bad things like run up giant budger deficits and failed to eliminate unfair subsidies in Europe and at home. He also caved in to political pressure with the CNOOC-Unocal deal, and has failed to take a strong move to accelerate nuclear power and alternative energy sources.

What has he done locally?...
The only defense I'll make for GWB in domestic politics is that he is smart enough to realize that tax cuts increase revenue and energize the economy. Unfortunately, he hasn't figured out that trying to outspend Democrats causes deficits.

Keruvalia is a racist. He doesn't believe in the Republican race.

Oh I believe in them, I just believe they're inferior. ;) :p

Yeah right. And how do you know? Because she says so.

Well ... yeah. In order to run for President, you kinda have to announce it.


Oh, and you, Bill and Hillary would never tell a lie. Right?

No more so than anyone else. I probably less than Bill and Hillary, but I'm not a politician or an elected official where the job description includes "Lie. A lot."

Why do you people keep bringing up Democrats? I'm not a Democrat.

You were part of the Texas Democratic Convention. You told me yourself that if Kerry had won Texas in the last election, you would have gone to DC to vote him into office.

It's not political bigotry, it's political intelligence. Republicans are, quite simply, soulless, toughtless and insane.

They've proven that quite nicely over the last 30 years. Deal with it. :p
Not all Republicans are the same. To claim that they are is to make a gross generalisation. Generalisations are never intelligent.

And for the record " torture" is not making someone stand up for hours, blaring crappy rap music, ect.

disconfort? yes. " torture" NO. getting your head sawed off with a dull knife? the perfured method of the enemies of the west " radical Islam " thats torture.

I dont want terrorist coddled, I dont want them lawyered up either, I want them either getting the crap kicked out of them so they cough up what they know OR locked way with bread, and water, PERIOD.

no TV, no Radio, just sit. and if they so much say Boo at our guards, you take them out back, and you shoot them.

I know that will sound hardcore to some, but there is a war on, you dont F about when at war.
I would be more enthusiastic in my agreement if your positions were not so obviously based on testosterone and wanting to feel tough. The problem with "shoot them if they speak" is that you won't get information out of them if they're dead. Another obstacle is that the accused are supposed to have the right to a lawyer in our legal system.

If the H-word ran, McCain would be a great choice. His campaign finance reform bill is misguided, and led to even more mudslingling last election. Yet McCain is the candidate ideaologically closest to me, if not particularly good at pragmatism. He is the ideaological successor to the illustrious Barry Goldwater (whose seat he filled), and is very hawkish. He is also fiscally conservative, something sorely lacking in Washington.
But the dynamics of the race are far too complicated, and McCain may not even run. I'd have to see who else would run. I know I could vote for at least one Democrat with presidential ambitions: Bill Richardson.

You were part of the Texas Democratic Convention. You told me yourself that if Kerry had won Texas in the last election, you would have gone to DC to vote him into office.

Yes ... because I supported Dennis Kucinich, not John Kerry. I was delegate for Kucinich. In 2000, I voted for Nader.

Not all Republicans are the same. To claim that they are is to make a gross generalisation. Generalisations are never intelligent.


Name *one* thing about politics that is intelligent.

I have the right to go to any church in America (Or not to go at all) without fear of being killed I'd call that having been an intelligent decision made by politicians.

But I'ld look for a Condi Rice and Hillary Clinton '08 race for the following reasons:

We will assume that the majority of women in america would vote for a woman candidate, and the fact that the Party of the People (PoP)(Democrats) will probably elect Hillary in their primaries because women outnumber men in the PoP.

The Grand Old Party (GoP)(Republicans) will probably elect Condi in their primaries because women outnumber men in the GoP.(And to beat a woman in American politics for the possibilty of the first woman president you will need a woman. Simply because women outnumber men and women often turn out in greater numbers at elections then men.)


Outcome: Condi Rice becomes the first woman and first black president.

Reasoning: America is voting more conservatively, and Condi Rice will split up the black caucus (estimates by former Bill Clinton Administration Campaign experts say 50% or more, and without the black caucus the democratic ticket has no solid block of vote), and she will also split the female vote in America, as well as gain the Republican votes.

Generalisations are never intelligent.
This made me laugh.

Vetalia: I'm happy someone caught that guy's free trade comment.

Americans elected two chicken hawk draftdodgers in a row. I doubt they will vote a soldier into office.
I'll gladly vote for the Captain. (That is the last rank held by McCain.)

BTW
Everyone should read "Faith of the Fathers" by McCain. It's a great story.

He's certainly on a roll, now that finger pointing and harsh language has been determined to be torturous. I mean, whats not to like about McCain?

Bush, the greatest leader of our time, will sure be a tough act to follow, and I think McCain is the only man on the planet who can continue leading our country in the same positive direction we have all come to enjoy these last 5 yrs.

I knew I loved McCain the minute he did us a favor and got rid of all that free speech that the founders left us with. I don't know how we survived as a nation for the 225 years before Campaign Finance Reform became law. People don't need to say bad things about the incumbents. After all, they are just trying to keep their jobs.
Heh.
Somehow I doubt I'm going to like the next election much. I have a feeling that the Republicans are going to field another "spend more while cutting taxes!" candidate like Bush, and I doubt the Democrats will be able to field anybody good. I mean, seriously, if people are considering Mrs. Clinton an actual viable choice for President, there must be something going wrong with the Dems.
Not that it matters which party the candidate is from, as they're both basically the same thing.

I stick to my Condi & Hillary Race with Condi winning (scroll up)

I have the right to go to any church in America (Or not to go at all) without fear of being killed I'd call that having been an intelligent decision made by politicians.

But I'ld look for a Condi Rice and Hillary Clinton '08 race for the following reasons:

We will assume that the majority of women in america would vote for a woman candidate, and the fact that the Party of the People (PoP)(Democrats) will probably elect Hillary in their primaries because women outnumber men in the PoP.

The Grand Old Party (GoP)(Republicans) will probably elect Condi in their primaries because women outnumber men in the GoP.(And to beat a woman in American politics for the possibilty of the first woman president you will need a woman. Simply because women outnumber men and women often turn out in greater numbers at elections then men.)


Outcome: Condi Rice becomes the first woman and first black president.

Reasoning: America is voting more conservatively, and Condi Rice will split up the black caucus (estimates by former Bill Clinton Administration Campaign experts say 50% or more, and without the black caucus the democratic ticket has no solid block of vote), and she will also split the female vote in America, as well as gain the Republican votes.

That's taking so many generalizations and assumptions that it's going to be hard to name them all. Nevertheless, I'll hit the big ones.

You say Rice v. Clinton in 2008? Fair enough...it's your opinion...but that's really stretching it. Do you honestly think that the majority of Americans are ready for a woman president, let alone have both candidates be women? While I'm not opposed to the idea, history shows that women get things last. That means that we have a better chance of having a black or latino male president than even a white female...and Condi's a black female...which I'm sorry, takes her out of the race at this point in time. Racism sucks, but to deny its existance is naive.

Now, you assume that the majority of women would vote for a woman. I don't. I think that's a very short-sided view of women voters, saying that they will vote on gender, which isn't even an issue, ahead of all the issues at hand. On top of that are the moral issues at stake taking Bill into account, and a lot of women don't like Hilary staying with Bill after he cheated on her. It makes her seem weak.

I think Hilary will run, and I think she'll lose in the primaries. She may be popular in New York, but Democrats as a whole don't like her that much. She lacks any core values at all. She is as much as a flip-flopper as Kerry was, and her current position on video game censorship pisses even me off, a noted conservative. She is alienating her own party for the sake of trying to set up a campaign, and there's no way in hell republicans would vote for her.

The GOP will not nominate Condi Rice, and I'm not even sure that she will run. Even if she does, she cannot win the primaries. There is no way a black woman can get the nomination in the GOP because, in the minds of many people (southerners...) she is already starting two steps behind everyone else. That and she will be associated with the Bush whitehouse, which would be enough to kill Jesus's political career if he was running.

Black people will not vote for Condi in the huge numbers you expect. Black people, in general, don't like Condi. She's a sell-out to them because she's a republican and has embraced the "white world" or whatever. Black people vote democrat because they're 1. generally poor, 2. because democrats favor affirmative action and other reverse-racism measures that help the black community, and 3. because year after year black people are told how all the cards are stacked against them, and year after year the democrats promise to right all the wrongs dealt to the black community.

My outcome? I say whomever the Dems elect will get office, unless they nominate Karl Marx (or Hilary...) , because the Republicans have shot themselves in the foot too many times with Bush to be effective. The only Republican who could win would be a moderate (like McCain...) and only against an extreme liberal or a certain woman who I'm already tired of naming.

That being said, I predict that the 2012 election will be the first real one in a while, where both Republicans and Democrats have equal chances. Both sides are lacking an obvious, strong candidate, and as a result the Democrats will win just because they aren't Bush, as Kerry almost did in 04.

You cannot simply generalize voting habits among women and black people, especially for the reasons in which you did. That's faulty analysis.

:confused: :confused: You are getting me deeper and deeper into confusion, or is it the dreaded Alzheimer’s? :D No, I have no idea what you are talking about when you mention McCain’s illegitimate mixed race kid.
He's talking about the push poll done against McCain in South Carolina in 2000 by associates of the Bush campaign. They called Republican primary voters and asked "if you knew that John McCain had fathered a mixed-race child out of wedlock, would that affect your choice in the upcoming primary?" McCain and his wife adopted a girl from Pakistan or Bangladesh--I forget where--but she has dark skin. She's not illegitimate, but that didn't stop friends of Rove from making the charge in push polls, and when Bush was challenged, he claimed he couldn't stop them from doing it, which was bullshit.

The fact that McCain didn't slug him for it caused me to stop respecting him. The fact that McCain openly campaigned for him both in 2000 and 2004 made me sick. In my mind, you're not an adult if you let that kind of shit pass unchallenged.

I stick to my Condi & Hillary Race with Condi winning (scroll up)

In a Condi vs. Hillary race, Nader finally has a chance.

In a Condi vs. Hillary race, Nader finally has a chance.
Yeah, but so does an ass-monkey like Judge Roy Moore, the real-life Nehemiah Scudder. Or worse, it would be left up to the House of Representatives. Do you really want them choosing the next President?

Yeah, but so does an ass-monkey like Judge Roy Moore, the real-life Nehemiah Scudder. Or worse, it would be left up to the House of Representatives. Do you really want them choosing the next President?

As they currently are, or how they'll after next year? ;)

As they currently are, or how they'll after next year? ;)
Who knows what the House will look like next year, with Diebold counting the votes?

Yeah, but so does an ass-monkey like Judge Roy Moore, the real-life Nehemiah Scudder. Or worse, it would be left up to the House of Representatives. Do you really want them choosing the next President?

I used to think that but some of my redneck relatives refered to him as an ass and a crybaby. As one said "He got caught, he should take his punishement like a man"

If people didn't vote for Pat Robertson or Dang I just forget his name; they won't vote for him.....

I used to think that but some of my redneck relatives refered to him as an ass and a crybaby. As one said "He got caught, he should take his punishement like a man"

If people didn't vote for Pat Robertson or Dang I just forget his name; they won't vote for him.....We'll see--I hear he's running for the Republican nomination for governor in Alabama.

No response to what I said?

McCain may not be that bad. Maybe spending 5 years in a box back in 'Nam gives the guy some insight into evildoers, and that's prolly what we need right now in DC. ;)

Reasoning: America is voting more conservatively, and Condi Rice will split up the black caucus (estimates by former Bill Clinton Administration Campaign experts say 50% or more, and without the black caucus the democratic ticket has no solid block of vote), and she will also split the female vote in America, as well as gain the Republican votes.

The Black caucus wouldn't vote for Condi. They consider any successful, conservative black like Rice, Powell, and Thomas to be Uncle Toms.:(

The Black caucus wouldn't vote for Condi. They consider any successful, conservative black like Rice, Powell, and Thomas to be Uncle Toms.:(
Well, she would certainly do better than most recent republican nominees have done--the question would be whether or not she would do well enough to offset the loss of those voters who would rather die than vote for a black woman and who would either stay home or vote third party.

McCain won't run, he'll be too old.

America will be looking for candidates in their late 40s or 50s.