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Now, I've been thinking (yeah, new thing, I thought I might as well give it a test run - see how it goes), anyway, here are a list of *really* stupid questions I have come accross, please add to them or comment :)

1) "How do you know that you're gay if you've never had sex with a <male/female>?" - I don't know about you, but does a straight guy simply go out one night and think, "Gee, I wonder what its like to get fucked up the ass - oh, I'll ring up Bruce the hair dresser to see what its like!" - yeah, likes that gonna happen <rolls eyes>

2) In reply to an IT blog I did on MacOS X 10.4 - "Oh, easy for you to say, you're in Europe" - so when has New Zealand been part of Europe?

3) I was watching "who wants to be a millionaire" - the easiest question came up, "which country is between Germany and Russia" - and you wouldn't believe it, the person got it wrong, I guess he wasn't paying much attention in history classes!

4) "Gay marriage will destroy traditional marriage as we know it!" to which I reply, "how" - I've yet to get a reponse to that, not one person can actually nail down how two guys getting 'shacked up' is going to detrimentally affect theirs or someone elses marriage.

5) I was down the road and I couldn't quite work out this; petrol is $1.35 per litre down here in Christchurch, and yet, you would think, with all the belly aching, complaining and whining about the cost of petrol, there would be a concerted effort to cut down on car usage to reduce the cost of running a car - nope, same, infact INCREASED number of people on the road.

Couple that with a 5% carbon tax, because aunty Helen, like many other politicians that through some miracle, that petrol going up 8cents is going to be a dick of difference - it won't; best solution, free transport and simple tax cars into the ground - want to buy a car? pay a 100% GST on the car - you'll slowly see people start to use their brain a little more.

6) Kyoto Protocol - great, we'll exclude all third world countries; now all the polluting industries of the west will simply move to the third world - same pollution, different location.

7) People who yell out car windows - what the fuck is up with that? it predominately heterosexual males - please, someone here explain to me why its so fucking hard to sit down in a seat, stare forward and shut up until you reach the distrination.

No one WANTS to hear your voice, infact, if given half a chance, people would come to your house and personally rip out of your voice box - remember, unless you have something *REMOTELY* interesting to say, just keep to yourself.

Oh, and sorry talking about your mates 'new muffler' or 'new spoiler' is hardly news - its jocked up crap that is as boring as bat shit and twice as pungent.

8) What is it with people, especially Americans, flying their flag outside the house?

Why are you proud of a country which you had NO say OR control over being born in?! I mean, why?! it makes no-sense what so ever.

3) I was watching "who wants to be a millionaire" - the easiest question came up, "which country is between Germany and Russia" - and you wouldn't believe it, the person got it wrong, I guess he wasn't paying much attention in history classes!

i don't have much to say on this but i can say that i don't know as much history as most people on this site(as far as i know) and sadly i don't know anyone in my town that knows more then me


7) People who yell out car windows - what the fuck is up with that? it predominately heterosexual males - please, someone here explain to me why its so fucking hard to sit down in a seat, stare forward and shut up until you reach the distrination.

Oh, and sorry talking about your mates 'new muffler' or 'new spoiler' is hardly news - its jocked up crap that is as boring as bat shit and twice as pungent.


just something about the muffler that brings back the most iritating of memories. it is one of my firends who either complains about something or decides to talk about what he broke on his car last night, or whenever. i hate it mostly because i don't give a f*ck about what he blew up on his car



8) What is it with people, especially Americans, flying their flag outside the house?

Why are you proud of a country which you had NO say OR control over being born in?! I mean, why?! it makes no-sense what so ever.

no f*cking clue, aside from the fact that my dad does it...

Actually, Swedes are quite flag happy themselves, even decorating their Christmas trees with them, and I've found that the closer you get to the border with the United States, Canadians hang a goodly number of their own drapeaux outside their houses, as well. In Alaska, where I lived for many years before moving to California, the locals fly the state flag all over the place - it is a rather handsome flag, at that.

It's a nice tradition, harmless at best, silly at worst. If New Zealand had a flag that most people could diffrentiate from Australia's, and that didn't allude to another country entirely, they might be a little more enthusiastic about their own flag. Having spent a fair amount of time there, I can say that New Zealanders are certainly very nationalistic, they're just not as loud about it as Australians or Americans.

just something about the muffler that brings back the most iritating of memories. it is one of my firends who either complains about something or decides to talk about what he broke on his car last night, or whenever. i hate it mostly because i don't give a f*ck about what he blew up on his car

Tell me about it; I heard it so many times I ended up saying, "who gives a flying fuck! its a car! its a 2 tonne hunk of metal and plastic with wheels that gets you from A to B!"

no f*cking clue, aside from the fact that my dad does it...

Well, my old man has a 'support the troups' on the back of his SUV - nothing about supporting troops, just the irony involved (its a long story).

Actually, Swedes are quite flag happy themselves, even decorating their Christmas trees with them, and I've found that the closer you get to the border with the United States, Canadians hang a goodly number of their own drapeaux outside their houses, as well. In Alaska, where I lived for many years before moving to California, the locals fly the state flag all over the place - it is a rather handsome flag, at that.

It's a nice tradition, harmless at best, silly at worst. If New Zealand had a flag that most people could diffrentiate from Australia's, and that didn't allude to another country entirely, they might be a little more enthusiastic about their own flag. Having spent a fair amount of time there, I can say that New Zealanders are certainly very nationalistic, they're just not as loud about it as Australians or Americans.

Well for me, I really couldn't care less about my country - to be quite frank, if were invaded tomorrow, the only concerns would be:

1) Still got a job? Yeap
2) Gonna raise taxes? No
3) Allow me to be gay? yes

Well, its all good from where am standing.

As for Nationalistic, the only time us New Zealanders get nationalistic is when we see Australia being pulled down a few pegs, besides that, I don't think that the average NZ'der gives a rats ass - hence the 'don't give a toss' in reference to the defence force and what it does.

8) What is it with people, especially Americans, flying their flag outside the house?

Why are you proud of a country which you had NO say OR control over being born in?! I mean, why?! it makes no-sense what so ever.

I consider it a show of patriotism to show Old Glory outside my home. Being born in a given country is not your decision, true, but, I am always thankful knowing that God saw fit to place me here and let me live in lovely America, the finest country on Earth, in my humble opinion.

Maybe you cannot see the sense in it, but for me, it is obvious.

~ Romandeos.

I consider it a show of patriotism to show Old Glory outside my home. Being born in a given country is not your decision, true, but, I am always thankful knowing that God saw fit to place me here and let me live in lovely America, the finest country on Earth, in my humble opinion.

Maybe you cannot see the sense in it, but for me, it is obvious.

~ Romandeos.

And here we have the prime specimen of the average American, patriotic, 'god fearing' and fucking clueless about the world around himself - do I hear a 'praise the lord!?'

ps. It makes little sense, infact, there is more sense in me flying a Cadbury flag outside my house because I like the chocolate they make.

3) I was watching "who wants to be a millionaire" - the easiest question came up, "which country is between Germany and Russia" - and you wouldn't believe it, the person got it wrong, I guess he wasn't paying much attention in history classes!


There are quite many countries between Germany and Russia...I quess the right answer was Poland but there's also Belarus, Lithuania, Ukraine etc. Poland is actually between Germany and Belarus (Ukraine, Lithuania)

Please, don't be pedantic, there was a question, and it is in directly in the middle of the two countries; I don't have the exact question, but it was phrased in such a way that the country had Russia on one boarder and Germany on another; in otherwords, smack bang in the middle.

Please, don't be pedantic, there was a question, and it is in directly in the middle of the two countries; I don't have the exact question, but it was phrased in such a way that the country had Russia on one boarder and Germany on another; in otherwords, smack bang in the middle.
In that case the question was stupid as there is no such country.

Actually...There is Kaliningrad...If one is very pedantic I quess one could say that Poland is between Germany and Russia :)

(sorry, spoiled your thread)

And here we have the prime specimen of the average American, patriotic, 'god fearing' and fucking clueless about the world around himself - do I hear a 'praise the lord!?'

ps. It makes little sense, infact, there is more sense in me flying a Cadbury flag outside my house because I like the chocolate they make.

I do say "Praise the Lord" quite often, if you must know. I am a Christian, and in my opinion that is a great thing. I fear the Lord.

Regarding your statement that I am "fucking clueless", how would you know? Have you met me before? I do not believe so, my friend. I could respond with large quantities of insults regarding ignorant, liberal foreigners, but honestly it is not necessary, as your harsh words do not insult me in the least.

I stand by my belief that showing the Flag is a good thing. If you love something, you should be able to show it, and I love America almost as much as I love and fear the Lord.

~ Romandeos.

I do say "Praise the Lord" quite often, if you must know. I am a Christian, and in my opinion that is a great thing. I fear the Lord.

Regarding your statement that I am "fucking clueless", how would you know? Have you met me before? I do not believe so, my friend. I could respond with large quantities of insults regarding ignorant, liberal foreigners, but honestly it is not necessary, as your harsh words do not insult me in the least.

I stand by my belief that showing the Flag is a good thing. If you love something, you should be able to show it, and I love America almost as much as I love and fear the Lord.

~ Romandeos.

Oh pulease, I'm tempted to actually put that Cadbury flag up - na, I'll wait till I go to the US, get a house with a flag pole, then hoist the Cadbury flag so that the whole stree can see that wonderful symbol of the 'glass and a half full cream" cups :)

And babe, get over it - get a passport and visit the world, you might just actually see just how ridiculous the US is from the outside.

Actually...There is Kaliningrad...If one is very pedantic I quess one could say that Poland is between Germany and Russia :)

(sorry, spoiled your thread)

:P God damn, its the principle of the thing <throws a paddy like an 8 year old girl>

*gives Helioterra a big kiss and cuddle*

Oh pulease, I'm tempted to actually put that Cadbury flag up - na, I'll wait till I go to the US, get a house with a flag pole, then hoist the Cadbury flag so that the whole stree can see that wonderful symbol of the 'glass and a half full cream" cups :)

And babe, get over it - get a passport and visit the world, you might just actually see just how ridiculous the US is from the outside.

Moments like this make me wonder why I speak to people like you in the first place. I doubt that a long trip to various points on the globe would change my views about my homeland.

If you will excuse me, it is late, and I have a busy day ahead. Farewell.

~ Romandeos.

Regarding your statement that I am "fucking clueless", how would you know? [/i]

The same way that /s/he "knew" that you were christian. People who talk like you did in your first post usually are.

God is an American, it's clear as day.

Grab a beer and a gun, and let us pray.

Oh pulease, I'm tempted to actually put that Cadbury flag up - na, I'll wait till I go to the US, get a house with a flag pole, then hoist the Cadbury flag so that the whole stree can see that wonderful symbol of the 'glass and a half full cream" cups :)

And babe, get over it - get a passport and visit the world, you might just actually see just how ridiculous the US is from the outside.
Why is it that people from other countries assume that an American, if he was to visit other parts of the world, will immediately decide that he hates the U.S.?

Why is it that people from other countries assume that an American, if he was to visit other parts of the world, will immediately decide that he hates the U.S.?
Not so much "hate" as realise that the US isn't "god's" gift to everyone else. ;)

And why do people come up to me at work and ask me why something doesn't work when they haven't plugged it in?

Now, I've been thinking (yeah, new thing, I thought I might as well give it a test run - see how it goes), anyway, here are a list of *really* stupid questions I have come accross, please add to them or comment :)

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5) I was down the road and I couldn't quite work out this; petrol is $1.35 per litre down here in Christchurch, and yet, you would think, with all the belly aching, complaining and whining about the cost of petrol, there would be a concerted effort to cut down on car usage to reduce the cost of running a car - nope, same, infact INCREASED number of people on the road.


People perhaps need or want to go somewhere and thus they drive. Just because it is now more expensive does not mean it negates the need or want to drive. It just sucks to pay more.


7) People who yell out car windows - what the fuck is up with that? it predominately heterosexual males - please, someone here explain to me why its so fucking hard to sit down in a seat, stare forward and shut up until you reach the distrination.

No one WANTS to hear your voice, infact, if given half a chance, people would come to your house and personally rip out of your voice box - remember, unless you have something *REMOTELY* interesting to say, just keep to yourself.


Lets see it isn't difficult, perhaps they just don't want to sit down and face forward? They are probably yelling out the window to get a rise out of people and laugh about it after. I don't know who would actually get all pissy about it oh wait....sucker.


8) What is it with people, especially Americans, flying their flag outside the house?

Why are you proud of a country which you had NO say OR control over being born in?! I mean, why?! it makes no-sense what so ever.

Well lets take the case of America. It is the superpower of the world. The military is incredibly advanced and powerful and despite recent bullshit and the standard hiccups of any government it is still a free country. Many people have opportunity to advance and educate themselves and our standard of living is pretty high for many people (I realize there is higher) in comparison with the rest of the world. Our ancestors fought for and created the country and some pretty amazing documents of human rights along with it. Not only that but the people can vote and somewhat influence how the country progresses in the future. Our culture (corporate and otherwise) influence every well established country in the world in some way. The best part of all though is you can hate it and fly the flag outside your house upsidedown with the edges singed and that is fine too. Some people find this enough to be proud of and fly the flag outside their house. As I mentioned some won't even say the pledge in school and it doesn't matter.

P.S. - Before you even start letting the bullshit flow out of your mouth I'm a liberal American Atheist who disagrees with many things the American government says and does. I have been overseas and I do listen what the rest of the world has to say about my country. Some of it is true some of it is not. People fly American flags because they either naive, proud, ignorant, jerks, liberal, brilliant, conformists, or perhaps they just like the colors. All of those people fly it because they are free to do whatever they want with it.

Not so much "hate" as realise that the US isn't "god's" gift to everyone else. ;)

And why do people come up to me at work and ask me why something doesn't work when they haven't plugged it in?

Exactly what I was getting at; when I was a youngster, all I knew was Wellington, New Zealand - I thought it was the biggest most excting place ever.

I grew up, travelled around the world since the age of 12/13 and have seen sites and sounds that make me now realise that New Zealand is a nice country to live, but it doesn't constitute being at the centre of the universe.

I think if more Americans got outside their country, they would soon realise that firstly there are many difficult cultures out there besides their own, it might also help their appreciate that when they choose a president, they're not the only ones who have to put up with an incompetence that might occur.

Not so much "hate" as realise that the US isn't "god's" gift to everyone else. ;)
I agree with you there, my wording was more due to the fact that when I read that post the first person that came to mind was Fass

And why do people come up to me at work and ask me why something doesn't work when they haven't plugged it in?
Because they're stupid

Not so much "hate" as realise that the US isn't "god's" gift to everyone else. ;)

And why do people come up to me at work and ask me why something doesn't work when they haven't plugged it in?


Why do you assume all americans think thier country is "god's gift", in the first place?

While theres nothing wrong with a little patriotism, not very many of us wrap ourselves in the american flag, and run around like maniacs screaming " MERIKA ROOOLS!"

We tend to save that for the Olympics, after we kick your ass.

Exactly what I was getting at; when I was a youngster, all I knew was Wellington, New Zealand - I thought it was the biggest most excting place ever.

I grew up, travelled around the world since the age of 12/13 and have seen sites and sounds that make me now realise that New Zealand is a nice country to live, but it doesn't constitute being at the centre of the universe.

I think if more Americans got outside their country, they would soon realise that firstly there are many difficult cultures out there besides their own, it might also help their appreciate that when they choose a president, they're not the only ones who have to put up with an incompetence that might occur.
I think if more Americans got out of the country, they might realize that there's actually something outside America :p

Why do you assume all americans think thier country is "god's gift", in the first place?

While theres nothing wrong with a little patriotism, not very many of us wrap ourselves in the american flag, and run around like maniacs screaming " MERIKA ROOOLS!"

We tend to save that for the Olympics, after we kick your ass.
I think there's always something wrong with patriotism.

I also never said that ALL Americans are like that, just that rabid nationalists like the poster LovelyBoys was replying are. Thus what I said applied to them.

Why do you assume all americans think thier country is "god's gift", in the first place?
Because of the loudmouth morons here on NS General who pretty much come right out and say it; and the chimp in the Whitehouse

Lets see it isn't difficult, perhaps they just don't want to sit down and face forward? They are probably yelling out the window to get a rise out of people and laugh about it after. I don't know who would actually get all pissy about it oh wait....sucker.

Or in desperate need of getting laid or something to keep themselves occupied out side the yell-a-thon that keeps their simple mind busy.



Well lets take the case of America. It is the superpower of the world. The military is incredibly advanced and powerful and despite recent bullshit and the standard hiccups of any government it is still a free country. Many people have opportunity to advance and educate themselves and our standard of living is pretty high for many people (I realize there is higher) in comparison with the rest of the world. Our ancestors fought for and created the country and some pretty amazing documents of human rights along with it. Not only that but the people can vote and somewhat influence how the country progresses in the future. Our culture (corporate and otherwise) influence every well established country in the world in some way. The best part of all though is you can hate it and fly the flag outside your house upsidedown with the edges singed and that is fine too. Some people find this enough to be proud of and fly the flag outside their house. As I mentioned some won't even say the pledge in school and it doesn't matter.

P.S. - Before you even start letting the bullshit flow out of your mouth I'm a liberal American Atheist who disagrees with many things the American government says and does. I have been overseas and I do listen what the rest of the world has to say about my country. Some of it is true some of it is not. People fly American flags because they either naive, proud, ignorant, jerks, liberal, brilliant, conformists, or perhaps they just like the colors. All of those people fly it because they are free to do whatever they want with it.

For me, flying a nations flag simply is nothing more than 'we're the best, screw you' attitude, as it appears from my point of view - and I have been to the US, and for the most part, it is a nice country, but at the same time, due to, what I see, as the insular, navel glaring xenophobic attitude by mainstream America, there is a complete ignorance to anything or anyone outside their borders.

Anyone who dares question the US is instantly labelled as 'anti-US', anyone who dares to question the government of the US, if a US citizen, is classed as 'unpatriotic' - I mean, not to be sensationalist, but it has all the cult like atmosphere of North Korea, minus the 'Great Hall of the People'.

I think there's always something wrong with patriotism.
Why? & What?

Why? & What?
Firstly because patriotism tends to foster an "us and them" mentality that leads to enmity between peoples. This is counterproductive and only reinforces the power of "those in charge" of the nation-state, robbing the majority of people of agency. From a communist perspective this in itself is undesirable, as is the fracturing of a sense of internationalism and international co-operation.

Patriotism also tends to lead to a herd mentality, in which people unquestioningly follow orders from above, often regardless of just how screwed up they may be. Patriotism is inherently irrational, I mean, as people have pointed out, you have no control over where you're born, why be proud of it.

Patriotism can also lead to aggressive nationalism, racism and xenophobia. They're all part of the same scale.

Why do you assume all americans think thier country is "god's gift", in the first place?

While theres nothing wrong with a little patriotism, not very many of us wrap ourselves in the american flag, and run around like maniacs screaming " MERIKA ROOOLS!"

We tend to save that for the Olympics, after we kick your ass.

And to think any other day of the year, the red neck will be yelling out 'die n*gger' but when it comes to the Olympic games, Joe Average just loves to wrap himself up in the US flag and some how claim that these people were made heros because they were born in the US, which quite frankly, is self deluded as best.

Oh, and want to see stupidity, look at the number of Americans who chant, "USA! USA! USA!" - its pathetic, junvinile and equal to that of the type of cult crap one would have seen during cultural revolution in China.

Firstly because patriotism tends to foster an "us and them" mentality that leads to enmity between peoples. This is counterproductive and only reinforces the power of "those in charge" of the nation-state, robbing the majority of people of agency. From a communist perspective this in itself is undesirable, as is the fracturing of a sense of internationalism and international co-operation.

Patriotism also tends to lead to a herd mentality, in which people unquestioningly follow orders from above, often regardless of just how screwed up they may be. Patriotism is inherently irrational, I mean, as people have pointed out, you have no control over where you're born, why be proud of it.

Patriotism can also lead to aggressive nationalism, racism and xenophobia. They're all part of the same scale.

makes sense

Firstly because patriotism tends to foster an "us and them" mentality that leads to enmity between peoples. This is counterproductive and only reinforces the power of "those in charge" of the nation-state, robbing the majority of people of agency. From a communist perspective this in itself is undesirable, as is the fracturing of a sense of internationalism and international co-operation.

Patriotism also tends to lead to a herd mentality, in which people unquestioningly follow orders from above, often regardless of just how screwed up they may be. Patriotism is inherently irrational, I mean, as people have pointed out, you have no control over where you're born, why be proud of it.

Patriotism can also lead to aggressive nationalism, racism and xenophobia. They're all part of the same scale.

Its funny, I'm at work with a large number of Chinese people, and yet, they, with all the advances they could lay claim to, you never hear them go, "CHINA! CHINA! CHINA!" whilst wrapping themselves in their flag.

If brits wear the flag or wave it, its for a bloody good laugh - if its Americans, its a 'screw you' jesture to anyone around who just so happen to be not from the US.

makes sense
Wow, that's not the response was expecting. Hurrah! :p :)

Wow, that's not the response was expecting. Hurrah! :p :)

I saw you're from Melbourne; if I ever move to Australia, thats the one city I wish to live; Sydney can keep what ever they have up there, because nothing beats the atmosphere of Melbourne, or more correctly, Victoria as a whole.

Great. One post about flying a flag and people are painting with broad brushes because most of the people they've met who speak similarly are viewed as being a certain way.

So what if someone feels the need to fly a certain flag? Why do you care? Maybe they can't remember what country they live in and so they need the flag to remind themselves (in some places it's nessesary). Maybe they want to fly it as a colorful way of telling other nations to take [noun] and shove it up their [noun]. Or maybe they happen to like their country better than yours, which is no sin, last I checked.

Last year, everyone I knew in college got a (non-American) flag and flew it as a sign of their ethnic and/or national pride (on top of the fact that some of them, like the Imperial German flag, just look damned cool). None of us were any more or less patriotic for it. So why does whether or not a person fly a certain flag matter?

By the way, I noticed that said flag-waver managed to keep a calm and uninsulting tone the entire time, while the other launched into ad hominem attacks from the get-go.

And to think any other day of the year, the red neck will be yelling out 'die n*gger' but when it comes to the Olympic games, Joe Average just loves to wrap himself up in the US flag and some how claim that these people were made heros because they were born in the US, which quite frankly, is self deluded as best.

Oh, and want to see stupidity, look at the number of Americans who chant, "USA! USA! USA!" - its pathetic, junvinile and equal to that of the type of cult crap one would have seen during cultural revolution in China.


The same number of rednecks chant "USA!", as idiot Chavs, or other assorted drunken soccer hooligans from around the world.

Idiots are universal.

I saw you're from Melbourne; if I ever move to Australia, thats the one city I wish to live; Sydney can keep what ever they have up there, because nothing beats the atmosphere of Melbourne, or more correctly, Victoria as a whole.
I'm actually from Sydney and Melbourne... I went to school in Sydney and my family lives there, but now I go to uni down in Melbourne. I'm also from Durban originally.

*phew* That's a mouthful. I love Sydney and Melbourne btw. They're different, but great in their own ways.

The same number of rednecks chant "USA!", as idiot Chavs, or other assorted drunken soccer hooligans from around the world.

Idiots are universal.

True, but we don't give them the time of day, and in our case, we tend to relegate them to the State House suburbs (Council Estates) which just so happen to have all the shops they need, meaning, they never leave the area - its quite nice how the whole thing has been setup.

Or in desperate need of getting laid or something to keep themselves occupied out side the yell-a-thon that keeps their simple mind busy.

Quite possibly.


For me, flying a nations flag simply is nothing more than 'we're the best, screw you' attitude, as it appears from my point of view - and I have been to the US, and for the most part, it is a nice country, but at the same time, due to, what I see, as the insular, navel glaring xenophobic attitude by mainstream America, there is a complete ignorance to anything or anyone outside their borders.

Anyone who dares question the US is instantly labelled as 'anti-US', anyone who dares to question the government of the US, if a US citizen, is classed as 'unpatriotic' - I mean, not to be sensationalist, but it has all the cult like atmosphere of North Korea, minus the 'Great Hall of the People'.

Well, as I mentioned that is probably the case for many but just as many if not more are simply proud of where they live and you shouldn't take it so much to heart. As for the other things you said:
Yes and yes. -Next paragraph- sometimes, recently yes, yes (particularly among the religous right)

Buuut have you read the news recently? There is a little headway. The patriot act (errodes our rights in the name of fighting terrorists) failed to be re-enacted in the senate and Bush is under fire for supposedly givng the OK to spy on American citizens (a recent revelation). Also, McCain's ban on torture has finally been accepted by the Bush administration (giving in was not pleasant for them) under extreme pressure from just about every angle. A turn in the political climate? I hope so.

All countries have periods in which they elect shitty leaders (not my vote) I hope the recent bad press for the president will force some changes in his adminstration and possibly effect the next election down the road. If not a democratic canidate (a party that needs to get their shit together) at least a more honest republican like McCain.

Because of the loudmouth morons here on NS General who pretty much come right out and say it; and the chimp in the Whitehouse


Oh, sure.

Why dont you just generalize a little more?
Better yet, why dont you just take a look at our idiot President, who half the nation hated from day ONE, and assume all Americans are just like him?

You have a LOT of nerve implying that we are "loud-mouth morons", if you do this kind of stereotyping all the time.

I'm actually from Sydney and Melbourne... I went to school in Sydney and my family lives there, but now I go to uni down in Melbourne. I'm also from Durban originally.

*phew* That's a mouthful. I love Sydney and Melbourne btw. They're different, but great in their own ways.

Yeah, but as I am resident fag at these here parts, Melbourne does have the best shopping :)

True, but we don't give them the time of day, and in our case, we tend to relegate them to the State House suburbs (Council Estates) which just so happen to have all the shops they need, meaning, they never leave the area - its quite nice how the whole thing has been setup.


Oh.

Like a leper colony.

Well...thats....nice.

Might as well keep em in the ghettos like the Jews, huh?

True, but we don't give them the time of day, and in our case, we tend to relegate them to the State House suburbs (Council Estates) which just so happen to have all the shops they need, meaning, they never leave the area - its quite nice how the whole thing has been setup.


Oh yah, and we do the same..only we call them "trailer parks".

Heh.

I do say "Praise the Lord" quite often, if you must know. I am a Christian, and in my opinion that is a great thing. I fear the Lord.



Why do you fear the Lord (assuming you mean God)?

Yeah, but as I am resident fag at these here parts

*ahem*

Wow, that's not the response was expecting. Hurrah! :p :)
Why not? I was just curious as to what you're problem & reasoning were

Yeah, but as I am resident fag at these here parts, Melbourne does have the best shopping :)
Right, well then. Chapel St. Prahran and South Yarra are great. Brunswick St. Fitzroy also has good stuff. :D

Oh.

Like a leper colony.

Well...thats....nice.

Might as well keep em in the ghettos like the Jews, huh?

No, actually the plan was to place those state houses amoungst the middle class - state housing are houses own by the government, the idea was, basically force the classes to mix and get along with each other - the net result, however, the middle class simply moved out - so in an affect, a diverse community was basically turned into something the government didn't want in the first place.

Oh, and btw, I don't know many people who have sympathy for poor white trash - just because you're poor doesn't mean you have to act poor or dress as if you've never seen a washing machine for the clothes, or a shower with a little deodourant to keep up ones appearance.

Why not? I was just curious as to what you're problem & reasoning were
I'd just expect a statement like that to bring about more hostility than it did, especially around here. :p

Oh, sure.

Why dont you just generalize a little more?
Better yet, why dont you just take a look at our idiot President, who half the nation hated from day ONE, and assume all Americans are just like him?

You have a LOT of nerve implying that we are "loud-mouth morons", if you do this kind of stereotyping all the time.
if you take a look over here <-- you'll see that I'm an American, I just don't like stupid people regardless of where they are from, so just relax and take you're foot out of your mouth :p

I'd just expect a statement like that to bring about more hostility than it did, especially around here. :p
You mean you were expecting a reaction like this:

Oh, sure.

Why dont you just generalize a little more?
Better yet, why dont you just take a look at our idiot President, who half the nation hated from day ONE, and assume all Americans are just like him?

You have a LOT of nerve implying that we are "loud-mouth morons", if you do this kind of stereotyping all the time.

I proudly display my St. George in my bedroom window and have one in my car. Why do I bother? Because not many people will. I'm scared shitless that England will lose its identity and this is just one way to remind myself, and others, just where the fuck we are.

No, actually the plan was to place those state houses amoungst the middle class - state housing are houses own by the government, the idea was, basically force the classes to mix and get along with each other - the net result, however, the middle class simply moved out - so in an affect, a diverse community was basically turned into something the government didn't want in the first place.

Hmm..you should have called us, we've been trying that since the 20's.
Didnt work well for us either.
We might have told you, but do ever call us? Nooooo.

Oh, and btw, I don't know many people who have sympathy for poor white trash - just because you're poor doesn't mean you have to act poor or dress as if you've never seen a washing machine for the clothes, or a shower with a little deodourant to keep up ones appearance.

Wouldnt know...I detest white trash on general principle.
However, as Im feeling mildly pissy, and hypocritical, I feel I must accuse you of being "elitist".

There.
Take that.

All countries have periods in which they elect shitty leaders (not my vote) I hope the recent bad press for the president will force some changes in his adminstration and possibly effect the next election down the road. If not a democratic canidate (a party that needs to get their shit together) at least a more honest republican like McCain.


True, but atleast in the case of a parliamentry democracy they can either go to the government general and ask for parliament to be desolved due to a lack of confidence OR simply the ruling party nominate a new leader and thus a new prime minister - or in the case of GWB, the Republicans right now, if under a parliamentry system, see GWB as a sitting duck, so decides to pull him aside and place someone more publicly appealing, such as John McCain, for example.

Hmm..you should have called us, we've been trying that since the 20's.
Didnt work well for us either.
We might have told you, but do ever call us? Nooooo.

Oh, it wasn't a compltete failure, it only started to come unstuck in the 1970s/19780s when the "I don't give a stuff' attitude became the prevalent view point of people, and the complete lack of any pride in ones own appearance and maintainance of their home.

Wouldnt know...I detest white trash on general principle.
However, as Im feeling mildly pissy, and hypocritical, I feel I must accuse you of being "elitist".

There.
Take that.

:P

Too bad these bits of white trash breed, multiple and chock up the prisons with their offspring.

Too bad these bits of white trash breed, multiple and chock up the prisons with their offspring.


Nonsense.

Thats why we have black folks.

Although, this is changing.
See.."fags", are now the new "niggers".

Ahh progress....isnt it cute?

I stand by my belief that showing the Flag is a good thing. If you love something, you should be able to show it, and I love America almost as much as I love and fear the Lord.
~ Romandeos.

"Location at birth (or parental citizenship)" makes someone a citizen, and it's true that this accident of birth (as opposed to "accidental birth," which is a funny expression because I never heard of anyone who was born on purpose and most people were reportedly not happy with the process in the least) is not a reasonable cause for displaying a flag. It goes further than that.

There are two classes of people who fly flags in the USA:

1) those who want to show support for those who intentionally enter harm's way under the flag that is being displayed; to wit, the soldiers.

2) Most people in the USA think that they have a large voice in shaping how the USA turns out, and most of them think that the way that it turned out is better than pretty much anywhere else in the planet. Mind you, a lot of the people who think it is better than anywhere else on the planet are either ignorant of the conditions outside the confines of the USA's borders; or they are convinced that conditions in the USA, no matter how angst-evoking, are better than outside the USA.

Back when we had a majority of the "Bill of Rights" that applied to a majority of the people [especially those who happened to be caucasian], this was true. The "Bill of Rights"--the first ten amendments to the constitution which were included when the constitution was signed--is an historically unique document as momentous in presence as Nebuchadnezzar's first codification of law. Check it out, sometime. Benjamin Franklin had presented them pretty much in the same terms they appear in a document he wrote when he was an English patriot. Incidentally, the case has been made that Ben was the first person to popularize the word "American" in his "Poor Richard's Almanac." But I am off-topic.

Most of the time, most of the people in class 2 are mostly right about their influence on the country by the simple virtue that they are, in fact, most of the people. In a democracy, that matters. Frankly, I'd prefer a good queen to a bad president or a Republican and/or "conservative" congress.

No, there is a third class: people who live at a place that has a policy of displaying a flag. They don't really count, though, so it's not like I left out anyone important other than my housemate's son.

So. Winding to the end: it is not stupid to put a flag on your porch to show your support for the armed forces or your national pride (if you live in a democracy). Neither is it stupid to burn the flag when you are not proud of what your country has become, though buying a flag just so you can burn it IS a pretty lame waste of money.

Sincerely,
A non-flag-intensive member of the minority in the USA who effectively has no voice in what the USA does and is annoyed at the fact that Dubya lives in Texas when he isn't trashing up the District of Columbia

PS: I'm not afraid of any "Lords," and a lot of other USA citizens aren't either. Freedom of religion (and lack thereof) is the one part of the constitution that we've kept going pretty well. Most of the time. Except in Kansas. Oh! And rural areas in the south that do not have much population, so who cares how many ignorant "Intelligent Design" believers we produce...

PPS: You'll note that I have taken great care to avoid using "American" as a catch-word for USA citizens so as to not insult the Mexicans, Peruvians, Canadians, etc. who did not elect a president that says he lied to go to war but it's okay because it's a good war.

I proudly display my St. George in my bedroom window and have one in my car. Why do I bother? Because not many people will. I'm scared shitless that England will lose its identity and this is just one way to remind myself, and others, just where the fuck we are.
How could you forget? And what exactly is England's identity?

I was watching "who wants to be a millionaire" - the easiest question came up, "which country is between Germany and Russia" - and you wouldn't believe it, the person got it wrong, I guess he wasn't paying much attention in history classes!

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What an idiot, not even knowing where Canada is.

How could you forget? And what exactly is England's identity?

All I know is that we're slightly better than Germany and Argentina. And France.

All I know is that we're slightly better than Germany and Argentina. And France.
now that's an identity: "we're a bit better than these guys:"
lol

To all the Americans, don't worry about his little rant. You just keep flying your flags. We Aussies learnt long ago that the New Zealanders are just bitter because they are outnumbered by sheep.

And to the OP in general, have you ever met any of what you call "white trash"? I'll bet you haven't. And I'll bet if you did, you'd be drinking through a straw for a long time.

Figures you'd be wanting to live in Victoria. Best part about NSW is it separates us from Victoria.

Now, I've been thinking (yeah, new thing, I thought I might as well give it a test run - see how it goes), anyway, here are a list of *really* stupid questions I have come accross, please add to them or comment :)

1) "How do you know that you're gay if you've never had sex with a <male/female>?" - I don't know about you, but does a straight guy simply go out one night and think, "Gee, I wonder what its like to get fucked up the ass - oh, I'll ring up Bruce the hair dresser to see what its like!" - yeah, likes that gonna happen <rolls eyes>
I agree 100% Either your gay or your not. It's pretty easy to tell. I've never been shot with a shotgun, but I know I wouldn't enjow it.

2) In reply to an IT blog I did on MacOS X 10.4 - "Oh, easy for you to say, you're in Europe" - so when has New Zealand been part of Europe?
Some people should be required to go to scholl until 16th grade.

3) I was watching "who wants to be a millionaire" - the easiest question came up, "which country is between Germany and Russia" - and you wouldn't believe it, the person got it wrong, I guess he wasn't paying much attention in history classes!
Aren't there 2? Poland and Belarus.

4) "Gay marriage will destroy traditional marriage as we know it!" to which I reply, "how" - I've yet to get a reponse to that, not one person can actually nail down how two guys getting 'shacked up' is going to detrimentally affect theirs or someone elses marriage.
They say it because they don't want to admit that it makes them feel icky.

5) I was down the road and I couldn't quite work out this; petrol is $1.35 per litre down here in Christchurch, and yet, you would think, with all the belly aching, complaining and whining about the cost of petrol, there would be a concerted effort to cut down on car usage to reduce the cost of running a car - nope, same, infact INCREASED number of people on the road.

Couple that with a 5% carbon tax, because aunty Helen, like many other politicians that through some miracle, that petrol going up 8cents is going to be a dick of difference - it won't; best solution, free transport and simple tax cars into the ground - want to buy a car? pay a 100% GST on the car - you'll slowly see people start to use their brain a little more.
I disagree with this. If you tax the hell out of them, you are basically punishing poor people. They will just buy used crappy cars, while rich people will still have nice vehicles. It will just increase the class gap.

6) Kyoto Protocol - great, we'll exclude all third world countries; now all the polluting industries of the west will simply move to the third world - same pollution, different location.
The need for the Kyoto protocol is great, but they need a better solution. The biggest polluters aren't willing to screw their economy for anything.

7) People who yell out car windows - what the fuck is up with that? it predominately heterosexual males - please, someone here explain to me why its so fucking hard to sit down in a seat, stare forward and shut up until you reach the distrination.

No one WANTS to hear your voice, infact, if given half a chance, people would come to your house and personally rip out of your voice box - remember, unless you have something *REMOTELY* interesting to say, just keep to yourself..
No idea, man. Some people are just high strung. I also hate people who honk their horns for no reason.

Oh, and sorry talking about your mates 'new muffler' or 'new spoiler' is hardly news - its jocked up crap that is as boring as bat shit and twice as pungent.
If you find it boring, don't listen. Some people llike custom cars. What's it to ya?

8) What is it with people, especially Americans, flying their flag outside the house?

Why are you proud of a country which you had NO say OR control over being born in?! I mean, why?! it makes no-sense what so ever.
I have the same question for people who hate otherpeople hanging flags.
Why do you care what I hang in my front yard?

If you don't care what country you live in, then so be it. But I do. I love my country, I've had family members fight and die for it, and I love it's ideals.

I fly my flag to show people I'm glad I'm here, and not in some 3rd world hellhole.

Nonsense.

Thats why we have black folks.

Although, this is changing.
See.."fags", are now the new "niggers".

Ahh progress....isnt it cute?

Pardon? I'm a honkey over here, and put it this way, I went to a school that was predominately Polynesian and Maori, and the only problems I had were with white boys trying to stamp their mark and 'lay claim' to some turf.

White trash isn't about being racist, its simply people who can't be fucked giving a fuck about things; they have kids, but expect the tax payer to fund it, their kids go off the rails but expect the schools to do the job of being a parent rather than the parents doing their job - and to top it all off, they then go off and start bashing homos like me because we're 'doing something unnatural'! (deliberately put in quotation)

Pardon? I'm a honkey over here, and put it this way, I went to a school that was predominately Polynesian and Maori, and the only problems I had were with white boys trying to stamp their mark and 'lay claim' to some turf.

White trash isn't about being racist, its simply people who can't be fucked giving a fuck about things; they have kids, but expect the tax payer to fund it, their kids go off the rails but expect the schools to do the job of being a parent rather than the parents doing their job - and to top it all off, they then go off and start bashing homos like me because we're 'doing something unnatural'! (deliberately put in quotation)

See, in the US, blacks were long ostracized and laws were even written to discriminate against them.
Some states, its probably still technically illegal for a white and black couple to marry, although no court would dare uphold such an antiquated law.

You made a reference to white trash clogging up the prison systems.
Over here, its mostly blacks from poor communities that do so.
What I meant, was rich whites like to use poor blacks as scapegoats and target them with the criminal justice system.

However, as we go along, its less and less blacks who are ostracized, as it becomes homosexuals.
Why, some of us americans even think we should change our constitution to discriminate against you evil gays.
Who knows, if we allow you people to marry each other, why, my hetero-god-fearing-xeno-and-homophobic aryan chikldren might suddenly explode with gayness, by the sheer proximity of having a monogamous gay couple next door!

WHY WONT YOU THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!

See what I mean?