NationStates Jolt Archive

TRANSCENDENTAL ARGUMENT
God doesn’t exist.
If God doesn’t exist, then if reason exists, then God doesn’t exist.
Reason exists.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

COSMOLOGICAL ARGUMENT
If I say something doesn’t have a cause, it doesn’t have a cause.
I say the universe doesn’t have a cause.
Therefore, the universe doesn’t have a cause.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ONTOLOGICAL ARGUMENT (I)
I define God to be X.
Since I cannot conceive of X, X must not exist.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ONTOLOGICAL ARGUMENT (II)
I can’t conceive of a perfect God.
One of the qualities of perfection is existence.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

MODAL ONTOLOGICAL ARGUMENT
God doesn’t exist.
God, if existing, is either necessary or unnecessary.
God is not necessary, therefore God must be unnecessary.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

TELEOLOGICAL ARGUMENT
Check out the world/universe/giraffe. Isn't it complex?
Evolution (aka random chance) is a good enough explanation for me how they became so complex.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM BEAUTY (aka TELEOLOGICAL ARGUMENT II)
Isn't that baby/sunset/flower/tree beautiful?
Evolution (aka random chance) is a good enough explanation for me how they became so beautiful.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM LACK OF MIRACLES (I)
My aunt had cancer.
The doctors gave her all these horrible treatments.
My aunt prayed to God, but she died from her cancer anyway.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

MORAL ARGUMENT (I)
Person X, a well-known theist, was morally inferior to the rest of us.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

MORAL ARGUMENT (II)
In my younger days I thought I was religious.
Now I’m a cursing, drinking, smoking, gambling, child-molesting, thieving, murdering, atheist jerk.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM CREATION VS EVOLUTION
If evolution is true, then creationism is false, and therefore God doesn’t exist.
Creation can’t be true, since I lack the mental capacity to understand it and am not at all interested in studying it; moreover, to accept its truth would cause me to be uncomfortable
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM LACK OF FEAR
If God exists then I’m going to Hell.
I’m not afraid of Hell. New Jersey is much worse.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM THE BIBLE
[Arbitrary passage from OT]
[Arbitrary passage from NT]
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM INTELLIGENCE
Look, there's really no point in me trying to explain the whole thing to you stupid theists -- it's too complicated for you to understand. God doesn’t exist whether you like it or not.
Therefore, doesn’t God exist.

ARGUMENT FROM UNINTELLIGENCE
Okay, I don't pretend to be as intelligent as you guys -- you're obviously very well read. But I read the Skeptics Annotated Bible, and nothing you say can convince me that God exists. I don’t feel him in my heart, and you are lying when you say you can feel him and see him working in your life. John 3:16 - "For God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son into the world, that whosoever believes in him shall not perish from the earth?" That just proves what a evil, sadistic loser your God is.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM LACK OF BELIEF
If God exists, then I should believe in Him.
I don’t believe in God.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM INTIMIDATION
See my fist?
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

PARENTAL ARGUMENT
My mommy and daddy told me that God doesn’t exist.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM NUMBERS
Millions and millions of people don’t believe in God.
They can't all be wrong, can they?
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM ABSURDITY (aka THE MOST COMMON ATHEIST ARGUMENT)
B---s---!
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM ECONOMY
God doesn’t exist, you bastards!
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

BOATWRIGHT'S ARGUMENT
Ha ha ha.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM INSANITY
I forgot to take my meds.
Therefore, THERE IS NO GOD!!
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM GUITAR MASTERY
Some say that Eric Clapton is God, but I hate his music.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM INTERNET AUTHORITY
There is a website that successfully argues for the non-existence of God.
Here is the URL.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM INCOMPREHENSIBILITY
Flabble glurk zoom boink blubba snurgleschnortz ping!
No one has ever refuted 1.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM AMERICAN EVANGELISM
Telling people that God exists makes some televangelists filthy rich.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE
The Christian God doesn’t exist.
Therefore, all worldviews which assume the Christian God's existence are false and incomprehensible.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM BLINDNESS (I)
Christians are blind to reason, intelligence and logic.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM BLINDNESS (II)
God is hate.
Hate isn’t blind.
Ray Charles is blind.
Therefore, Ray Charles isn’t God.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM FALLIBILITY
Human reasoning is inherently flawed.
Therefore, there is no reasonable way to challenge a proposition.
I propose that God doesn’t exist.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM SMUGNESS
God doesn’t exist.
I don't give a crap whether you believe it or not; I have better things to do than to try to convince you morons.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM META-SMUGNESS
F--- you.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM MANIFESTATIONS
People who see images of bearded faces or virgins in things like tortillas are fruitcakes and represent the whole of theism.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM KITCHEN APPLIANCES
My toaster isn’t God.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM COMPLETE DEVASTATION
A plane crashed killing all 143 passengers and crew.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM POSSIBLE WORLDS
If things had been different, then things would be different.
That would be good.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM SHEER WILL
I DON’T believe in God! I DON’T believe in God! I don’t I don’t I don’t I DON’T believe in God!
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM NONBELIEF
The majority of the world's population are nonbelievers in Christianity.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM POST-DEATH EXPERIENCE
Person X died an theist.
He now realizes his mistake.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM EMOTIONAL BLACKMAIL
God doesn’t exist.
If you believe in him, people will always laugh at you.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM INCOHERENT BABBLE
See that person spazzing on the church floor babbling incoherently?
That represents theism as a whole.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM THE HUMAN SPIRIT
The human spirit doesn’t exist.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

DONAHUE'S ARGUMENT
Check out this video segment.
Now how can anyone watch that and believe in God?
Is the caller there?
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ANTI-CALVINISTIC ARGUMENT
If God exists, then unbelievers will be tortured forever.
I don’t like that idea.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM CROCKERY
Pots can give orders to the potter as long as the pots think they are morally superior somehow.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM PRODUCT EVOLUTION
Barbie dolls evolved.
If Barbie dolls evolved, then so did plants and animals.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM PAROCHIALISM
God is supposedly everywhere.
I haven’t personally seen God.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM UPPERCASE ASSERTION
GOD DOESN’T EXIST! GET USED TO IT!
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM INFINITE REGRESS
Ask theists how the universe came to be.
Regardless of their answer, ask how they know this.
Continue process until the theist admits he doesn't know the answer to one of your questions.
You win!
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM INCREDULITY
How could God exist, you bozo?
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM IGNORANCE OF HISTORY
The Bible is completely false.
Therefore, the Bible is toilet paper.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM RESURRECTION
If God exists, then he would be bringing people who have been decapitated back to life.
No one who has been decapitated has been brought back to life.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM BIOGENESIS
Where did life come from, dummy?
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM STEADFAST ATHEISM
A lot of really cool people didn’t believe in God their entire lives.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM LONELINESS
Christians say that Jesus is their best friend.
I'm lonely, but Jesus hasn’t showed up.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM MONTY PYTHONISH ARGUMENTATION (aka ARGUMENT FROM CONTRADICTON aka ARGUMENT FROM THE AUTOMATIC GAINSAYING OF ANYTHING THE OTHER PERSON SAYS)
God doesn’t exist.
[Theist's counterargument]
No he doesn’t.
[Theist's counterargument]
No he doesn’t!
[Theist's counterargument]
NO HE DOESN’T!!!
[Theist gives up and goes home]
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM CREATIVE INTERPRETATION
Here’s what some theists said about what God is: (a) The feeling you have when you look at a newborn baby. (b) The love of a mother for her child. (c) Humankind's potential to overcome their difficulties. (d) How I feel when I look at a sunset. (e) The taste of ice cream on a hot day.
These are all silly and superficial.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM INSECURITY
We have gone to absolutely berserk lengths to establish that theists are laughable morons.
Actually, we did so in the hopes of curing our own insecurities about atheism -- but there's no chance in hell we'll ever admit that.
Therefore, theists are laughable morons.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM LACK OF SUPERIORITY
If God exists, then Christians are superior beings, since they are "special" in a cosmic sense.
But Christians aren’t superior. They’re the same as everyone else.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM MORAL STANDARDS
There are no absolute moral standards because God doesn’t exist.
Theists say that there are absolute moral standards.
But that's only because they want to condemn everyone (especially atheists) but themselves as sinners.
Therefore, there are no absolute moral standards.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM HUMAN NECESSITY
Theists say that everyone needs God.
Atheists say that they don’t need God.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM HIDDEN LOGIC (I)
Intellectually, I know that the existence of God is possible, or very probable.
But I must put on the appearance of being cool and intellectual in front of my atheist peers.
Therefore, I must pretend that 1 is false.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM DENYING THE BODY
Theists like to think that they can control their "sinful" desires.
But they're theists, so they can't.
Therefore, some theists feel the need to take no enjoyment in anything because they are always worrying about committing sin.
This just goes to show how their belief in God is damaging to their lives.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM HATE
Some theists hate atheists and atheism.
That's because they believe in God.
Pathetic, aren't they?
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM SCIENTISTS WHO ARE THEISTS
A certain scientist says that God does exist.
But God doesn’t exist.
Therefore, he cannot be accepted as an expert on the matter, because he is wrong.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM EVIL SPIRITS
I've never had contact with evil spirits.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM HIDDEN LOGIC (II)
Theists say that God does exist.
But they only say that because they want to look holy and righteous in front of their peers.
They don't fool me!
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM HOVIND'S CHALLENGE
Kent Hovind offers $250,000 (which may or may not exist) to anyone who can demonstrate evolution (defined as a natural, acausal origin of the universe) to a reasonable doubt (meaning with 100% certainty, allowing for no other possibilities whatsoever) in front of a neutral committee (handpicked by Hovind himself) and according to certain criteria (carefully worded so as to rule out any possibility whatsoever of the challenge ever being met).
Atheists have dismissed this challenge as false, illogical, ignorant or otherwise bogus.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM INSANITY
No sane person could have thought up Christianity.
Therefore, it was thought up by an insane person or persons.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM EXHAUSTION (abridged)
Do you agree with the utterly trivial proposition X?
Theist: of course.
How about the slightly modified proposition X'?
Theist: Um, no, not really.
Good. Since we agree, how about Y? Is that true?
Theist: No! And I didn't agree with X'!
With the truths of these clearly established, surely you agree that Z is true as well?
Theist: No. So far I have only agreed with X! Where is this going, anyway?
I'm glad we all agree.....
[Atheist goes on and on and on...]
So now we have used propositions X, X', Y, Y', Z, Z', P, P', Q and Q' to arrive at the obviously valid point R. Agreed?
Theist: Like I said, so far I've only agreed with X. Where is this going?
[Atheist continues to go on and on and on...]
So we now conclude from this that propositions L'', L''' and J'' are true. Agreed?
I HAVEN'T AGREED WITH ANYTHING YOU'VE SAID SINCE X! WHERE IS THIS GOING!?
[Still going...]
...and it follows that proposition HRV, SHQ'' and BTU' are all obviously valid. Agreed?
[Theist either faints from overwork or leaves in disgust]
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ALT.ATHEISM ARGUMENT (aka ARGUMENT FROM GENERAL INQUIRY)
Question for theist population: [apparently random question]
Your answer is wrong.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM PLAGERISM
I have written the following to demonstrate the non-existence of God.
[Insert plagerized text of someone else’s article]
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM USE OF THE SMEAR CAMPAIGN
When it comes to Christians, smearing their reputation is a higher calling than truth.
Christians are all dirty, stinking liars.
Therefore, God does not exist.

ARGUMENT FROM LIMITED VOCABULARY
You don’t understand all the big words I use.
Therefore, I cannot possibly expect you to understand my refutation of your position.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM SELECTIVE MEMORY
[Atheist asks "stumper" question]
[Christian answers question]
[A lapse of time]
[Atheist repeats question]
[Christian repeats answer]
[A lapse of time]
[Atheist repeats question]
[Christian repeats answer]
[A lapse of time]
Christian, you never answered my question.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM DIVINE ECONOMICS
Many Christian nations are poor or currently suffering poor economies.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM PERSONAL SANITY
I've never had any experiences that can be explained only from the presumption that God exists.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM INSTITUTIONAL LONGETIVITY
Atheism has been around for a long time.
Therefore, God doesn’t exists.

ARGUMENT FROM INEVITABILITY
I have proof that God doesn’t exist.
I won't bother to tell you what it is because, being theists, you would be hostile to the conclusion anyway.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM "THE MATRIX"
We cannot prove that we don't live in a Matrix-like world.
Therefore we cannot know reality.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM SUBJECTIVITY
Everything is subjective.
No subjective proof can be superior to any other subjective proof.
Based upon my subjective opinion, your opinion, that nothing is subjective then, perforce, God isn’t subjective, is false.
Therefore, God (objectively) doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM POSTMODERNISM
I'm going to prove to you that God doesn’t exist.
[Insert any of the other arguments on this page in here]
[Theist refutes argument]
I cannot disprove God anymore than anyone of us can disprove we really exist in a tangible world.
Therefore, God doesn’t exists.

META-DISPROOF
This is a disproof of God's existence.
If the reader finishes reading this disproof, the non-existence of God will be proven to him/her.
If the non-existence of God is proven, then God doesn’t exist.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

DISPROOF BY ANECDOTE
Those who believe in God say they can see Him.
If God exists, then He must be seen by everyone.
I haven’t seen God.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM BIBLICAL HISTORY
Some modern historians think that there probably wasn’t somebody named Jesus, maybe.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM DEMONS
Some people say that demons were tap-dancing on their roof one day and that prayer made them go away.
Therefore, these people are insane.
Also, God doesn’t exist.

SAM GIBSON’S... ER... CYGNUS’ ARGUMENT (aka ARGUMENT FROM PI)
This verse from the Bible proves that God says pi = 3.
I asked some online math experts about this, but they didn’t support me.
So I twisted their responses to make it appear that they supported me.
Then I made sure to kick people out of my forums and threatened to post their personal information because they tried to show everyone that the math experts didn’t support me, but I said it’s because they didn’t stop using my real name (even though it’s found about a dozen times on my website).
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM MULTIPLICITY
I have a large number of arguments against God.
One of them is probably true.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM FORTUITOUS COINCIDENCE
Theists often show the astronomical odds of something happening.
I claim that their odds are false and misrepresentative, and also make reference to the Many Worlds Theory, which I completely believe in even though there is no physical evidence for it nor will evidence ever be found.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM DAVID BLAINE
If David Blaine does real magic, then God doesn’t exist.
It looked real on his TV special.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM MYSTERIOUS USE OF PREPOSITIONS
It is impossible to prove God with your puny theist intellect.
I’ll take that puzzled look on your face as proof that I am right.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM TEEN ATHEISM MOVEMENT
Theism totally sucks, dude, and if you would pretend that Marilyn Manson is a good band, you would realize that.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM SPEAKING IN TOUNGES
Some theists who I see as representing the whole of theism spontaneously speak some jibberish that they claim is some foreign language or another.
But no one can understand what they are saying.
The only explanation is that they are full of it.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM EUROPEAN HISTORY
Many prominent thinkers in pre-modern Europe didn’t believe in God.
Let’s just forget about those who did.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM DESIGN
If there is a designer, then God must exist.
If I find a watch in a forest, there must be a designer.
[Atheist ignores the watch in forest]
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM (GENERAL) OFFENSE
God doesn’t exist.
[Theist makes counterarguments]
You know what? I am offended.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM OFFENSE TO PRAYER
God doesn’t exist.
[Theist makes counterarguments and prays for atheist]
Take your prayers and shove ‘em where the sun don’t shine.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM AGNOSTICISM
I don't know and you don't know either.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist

ARGUMENT FROM LOVE
Have you ever fallen in love?
[Theist answers, "of course!!"]
So what is the cause of love? Evolution is a good enough explanation for me and love is nothing but a chemical reaction in the brain, so it cannot have anything to do with God?
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM IDENTITY (aka PC ARGUMENT)
Not believing in God is a central part of my identity.
You don't mean to deny my identity do you?
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM FORMATTING
Behold, foolish theists, I present you with an incontrovertible proof of the non-existence of God.
[Atheist posts 10,000 word document without a single paragraph break]
[Theists’ eyes implode]
I see that nobody can refute 2.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM NON-CONFRONTATION
I am not here to argue with you theists.
But come on, God obviously doesn’t exist.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM EXODUS
If the Exodus story has any basis in historical fact, then God exists.
I haven’t seen or accepted any evidence that it is.
This means the Exodus story is false.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM MARTYRDOM
The apostles definitely would have willingly died for something they knew wasn't true because they were trying to overthrow governments and gain power.
There are martyrs outside Christendom who did the same thing.
Obviously those examples prove Christian martyrdom was about gaining power.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM TINKERBELL
I really want God to be fake.
If you wish for something really hard, it'll come true.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM ANECDOTAL EXPERIENCE (I)
I once experienced something I can't explain.
I can come up with several possible, natural explanations which do not fit the facts, but make me feel comfortable.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM ANECDOTAL EXPERIENCE (II)
I have never experienced feelings of God's presence in my mind.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM NEUROSCIENCE
Scientists say a portion of our brain may be responsible for mystical experiences.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM EYEWITNESS (I)
You weren't there to witness the Creation/the Flood/the Exodus/the Crucifixion/the Resurrection/etc.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM EYEWITNESS (II) (sometimes follows or combined with the previous disproof)
Someone wrote the Creation story in the Bible.
That someone obviously wasn’t an eyewitness to the described events because they are completely unbelievable (and I think there are two very different Creation accounts in Genesis 1 and 2).
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM EYEWITNESS (III)
No one's ever seen God.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM HALF A WING
Half of a wing may be useless, but that just means evolution is real and was working properly!
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM PREFERRED ANCESTRY
I don't want to be created by God.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM FOOLISHNESS
The bible says atheists are fools.
I don't like being called names.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM FARRELL TILL
Farrell Till says God does not exist.
Therefore, God doesn't exist.

ARGUMENT FROM FARRELL TILL (II)
If God exists, he would strike Farrell Till dead.
Farrell Till is still alive.
Therefore, God doesn't exist.

ARGUMENT FROM PIG'S TEETH
Some scientists once thought a tooth was from an "ape-man."
Later scientists discovered it was a pig's tooth.
That’s how science works and it doesn’t disprove the evolution of man from "ape-men."
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM PERSECUTION
Someone made fun of my atheism.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM JESUS SAID STUFF
Jesus said some stuff.
I think that a lot of the stuff he said was horrible and unloving.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM PERCEIVED LACK OF DIFFERENCES
I say that the Christian God isn’t any different than the gods of other religions.
Therefore, the Christian God doesn’t exist.

THE ARGUMENT FROM CHRISTIAN IMMORALITY (although it could probably be adapted to just about any belief or non-belief)
Somewhere, someone who called himself or herself a Christian did something evil.
This person was probably not lying.
Therefore, this person was a Christian.
Therefore, Christians do evil things.
Therefore, Christians are not moral.
Christians believe in the Bible.
Therefore, the Bible is not moral.
The Bible is God's word. It says so.
Therefore, God is not moral.
(We are just ignoring all the nice things that Christians have done in the past and present, it's hard to trust history and the news anyway.)
An immoral God would be really evil.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

THE ARGUMENT FROM CRAZINESS
I would have to go crazy to believe in God.
I am not crazy.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist

ARGUMENT FROM CHOCOLATE
Some shallow theists say that chocolate is God's gift to humanity.
I hate chocolate.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM PERSECUTION (II)
Jesus said that people would persecute Christians.
I say they aren’t and never have been.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM WWJD
Some Christians have the "What Would Jesus Do?" T-shirt, bracelet, baseball hat, and shoelaces.
Some don’t wear them in public.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM PERSECUTION (III)
You theists are mean!
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM INTEREST
If God really does exist then theists wouldn’t have to spend so much time talking about him.
Theists constantly talk about God.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM RELIABLE SENSES
You assume that your senses are reliable even though you can’t prove it.
That means I get to assume anything I want.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM INTELLECTUAL SUPERIORITY
[Atheist posts argument]
[Christian refutes argument]
Christian, you obviously didn’t understand my argument.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM CATCH-PHRASE
There are no atheists in foxholes.
[Atheist points out atheists who claim to have been atheists while in foxholes]
Therefore, God doesn’t exists.

ARGUMENT FROM ARBITRARY IMPROBABILITY
We shouldn’t believe what probably isn’t true.
I have arbitrarily assigned the proposition "God exists" a probability of 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001%.
That probability came from my rear end, which I know assigns extremely accurate probabilities to propositions concerning the non-existence of God.
So God probably doesn’t exists.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM FREE GIFT
If some guy came up to you on the street and offered you a billion dollars for nothing in return, would you take the money or deny his existence?
(This is an extremely poor analogy of Christ, but we’ll ignore that point.)
No one has ever offered me a billion dollars.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM CHARITY
Atheists don’t build hospitals.
[Atheist points out Bill Gates and Ted Turner, who donate millions of dollars to charity]
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM SERIOUS ASSERTION
God doesn’t exist.
No, seriously.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM POSITIVE OUTCOME
Even if God did exist, it would be better if people believed He didn’t.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM LACK OF PHYSICAL EVIDENCE
I believe that if God exists, there will be physical evidence for his existence.
There is no physical evidence for the existence of God.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM LACK OF EVIDENCE (II)
God, if you exist, you’ll give me a million dollars, a Playstation 2 with all the games, and a girlfriend.
[Nothing happens]
[Atheist waits and might even repeat demand]
[Nothing happens]
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM IDIOCY
I am an idiot.
Even an idiot can see that God doesn’t exist.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM TERRORISM (I)
Terrorists destroyed the WTC, killing thousands.
One piece of the rubble sort of looks like a cross.
God obviously was more interested in making this cross than saving lives.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM TERRORISM (II)
A plane was hijacked by terrorists.
The passengers prayed and attacked the terrorists.
The plane crashed into a field, killing all aboard.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM TERRORISM (III)
September 11th was really, really bad.
We have bad things happen to us all the time.
Therefore, September 11th wasn’t a punishment for something we did.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM MASS MURDER
Stalin was an atheist.
He murdered millions of people.
I say that his murderousness didn’t stem from atheism.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM TORNADOS
A large tornado hit Anytown, USA.
The tornado destroyed churches.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM SPAGHETTI
A few people saw something weird in a bowl of spaghetti.
Some Catholics believe that it is the Virgin Mary.
They’re obviously kooks.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM MONEY
All U.S. currency contains the motto "In God We Trust."
This was obviously done to force people to believe in theism.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
The Pledge clearly states that America is "one nation, under God."
This was obviously done to force people to believe in theism.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM THE FOUNDING FATHERS (I)
A very small number of America's Founding Fathers wrote critically about Christianity and the Bible.
These Founding Fathers were really, really smart.
Accordingly, Christianity and the Bible must be false.
Christianity and the Bible say that God exists.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM THE FOUNDING FATHERS (II)
The Declaration of Independence includes the words "God" and "Creator".
This was written by a deist who didn’t believe in the Christian God!
Therefore this isn’t a Christian Nation.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM PAGAN EGYPT
When the Jews came to Egypt (not that I believe they do, since the Bible is false and there is no evidence they ever did), it was a pagan nation, ruled by a pagan Pharoah.
If God really existed, the Jews would have been able to convert the entire country (except that they were never there to begin with).
The Jews obviously weren’t able to change anything because Egypt remained a pagan nation with a pagan ruler after the Exodus (which never happened).
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM STORY PLOTS
The bible has lots of books written by lots of authors over a long period of time.
Despite centuries of vigorous apologetics, theists haven’t been able to forge a coherent plot for the whole bible that I can understand.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM LIKE OTHER RELIGIONS (I) (aka ARGUMENT FROM COPYCATTING aka ARGUMENT FROM STRETCHING THE TRUTH TO THE LIMIT)
The Bible said Jesus was born of a virgin, died for our sins and is the light of the world.
[Atheist takes primary figures from some other religions, stretches the truth, and makes them fit what the Bible says about Jesus.]
Therefore, the Christian God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM LIKE OTHER RELIGIONS (II) (aka ARGUMENT FROM COPYCATTING II aka ARGUMENT FROM STRETCHING THE TRUTH TO THE LIMIT II)
The Bible said Jesus rose from the dead.
[Atheist takes primary figures from some other religions, stretches the truth, and makes them fit what the Bible says about Jesus.]
Therefore, the Christian God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM BRUTE FORCE
[Atheist tears Jesus Fish off car, breaks it in thirds, sticks it to driver's side window.]
Therefore, Creationism is wrong.
Therefore, the theory of evolution is right.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM EXODUS (II)
There is little archaeological evidence for the events in Exodus.
There is little archaeological evidence for a lot of ancient people, places and events, yet they are still accepted as fact.
But I can’t believe the Exodus actually happened.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM BIBLICAL PROPHECY
The book of Daniel made some prophecies.
The prophecy was later fulfilled by other records in the Book of Daniel.
The prophecy obviously was written after the fact!
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM SHAME
The Bible showed a group of people performing embarassing actions.
It must be false if the book describes negative events because God would never let people he favors do those things.
The Bible isn’t describing historical events.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM EQUAL VALUE (aka PC ARGUMENT II)
Evolution and the scientific worldview is a worldview. Similarly, the biblical worldview is a worldview.
You are not discriminating against our worldview are you?
The scientific worldview is as good as the biblical worldview.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM MODERATION (often employed by liberals)
The Creationist side occupies an extreme side of the spectrum.
Similarly, the atheist side occupies another extreme side of the spectrum.
The liberals are in between.
Therefore, the liberal position on God is the most correct.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM JACK CHICK
I have all these stupid Jesus comics.
Those comics sure didn’t convince me!
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM EVIDENTIAL ASSERTION
God doesn’t exist.
Therefore all physical evidence (fossil record, etc.) must show this.
Therefore it does.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM MEANNESS
If God did exist, it would be mean of him to make me believe he didn’t!
The Bible portrays God as mean.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM WE ALL HAVE FAITH
We all believe things.
But belief isn’t faith.
My belief that the sun will rise tomorrow morning is very different from your faith in the existence of God.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM COOLNESS
I’m really cool.
Cool people don’t believe in God.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM WTC (II)
Terrorists destroyed the WTC, killing thousands.
An intact Bible was found in the ruins.
No, wait, it turns out it was a dictionary.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM COLLEGE FUNDING (usable by parents only)
You don’t believe in God.
If I ever find out that you do believe in God, you won't get any money for college!
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM SNOWFLAKES
If God existed, he could make all snowflakes the same.
Out of 3,300 pictures of snow-crystals catalogued, no two are exactly alike.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM CUSTODY
I have legal custody of our son.
If you act as though the Christian God exists, then I won't let you see him.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM FIDEISM
Theists are absolutely right. There is no logical reason to disbelieve God exists.
But disbelief makes me feel good.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM ENERGY
Things that exist have energy.
Energy isn’t alive.
All living things are made from energy.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM A BAD TRIP
I went to a party and took LSD.
I saw demons attacking me.
Then Jesus came and drove the demons away.
All religious experiences are obviously drug-induced hallucinations.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM STUPIDITY
I am stupid.
God made man in his own image.
There are all horrible disasters going around the world.
God is omnipotent in power.
God is too stupid to do anything about these things.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM STAR TREK
Christianity is Borg.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM PRAYER
When I used to pray, I never got what I wanted (like a million dollars, a Playstation 2 with all the games, and a girlfriend).
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM DEMOCRACY
God would never allow a non-Christian to become president.
There have been non-Christian presidents.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM HELL
If I don't believe God exists, I'll go to Hell.
I can’t comprehend that a loving God would send people to Hell.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM MOUNTAINS
People used to think gods lived on Mt. Olympus.
We've climbed Mt. Olympus and there were no gods there.
Therefore, all gods are false.
Therefore, the Christian God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM FUZZY ANIMALS (aka TELEOLOGICAL ARGUMENT III)
Bunnies are cute.
Perceiving cuteness is an evolutionary advantage.
Therefore, cuteness must have evolved.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM POLITICS
The vast majority of the people believe in God.
I'll get elected if I pretend to believe in God.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM PRESIDENTIAL INFIDELITY
If God exists and he blesses America, we’d always have moral presidents.
Clinton lied about a lot of things, including not having sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM RAIN
I was driving home when it started to rain really hard outside.
I pulled over to the side of the road and waited for the rain to let up, which it did without the need for prayer.
I arrived home safely.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM COMPUTERS
I deleted a copy of the TEN COMMANDMENTS from my computer.
If God existed, he wouldn’t have allowed this to happen.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM INVISIBILITY
I can't see God.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM RAIN (II) (aka ARGUMENT FROM PRAYER II)
I wanted it to be a sunny day.
I prayed it wouldn't rain.
We had two thunderstorms.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM DEGREES
I Have a philosophy degree.
Your knowledge in philosophy is paltry in comparison to mine.
Therefore you are unable to comprehend my intense philosophical proofs proving God's non-existence.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM ARBITRARY UNNECESSITY
I created the term "arbitrary unnecessity".
It is a golden principle and applies to whatever I say it does.
I say an eternal universe is an arbitrary unnecessity.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM BEER (I)
"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." - Ben Franklin
American beer is swill.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM BEER (II)
Christian: Whatever you believe in is your god.
Atheist: I believe I'll have another beer.
Ha ha.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM MONKEYS
If man came from monkeys, there’d still be monkeys.
There are still monkeys.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM THOMAS PAINE
Thomas Paine had a lot of good arguments against Christianity... at least that’s what all my atheist friends tell me...
Thomas Paine was a great early American, too!
So anything he said must be right!
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM NON-DESTRUCTION OF EVIL
I woke up this morning and found that evil still exists.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM DEAD FIREFIGHTERS
Some atheist firefighters gave their lives.
For people they didn't even know!
Yes, they were TOO atheists!
I just know!
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM TODD BEAMER
Todd Beamer prayed "Our Father" with a switchboard operator after his flight was hijacked.
Todd Beamer died.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM FALWELL
Jerry Falwell said some really stupid things after September 11th.
Then he apologized!
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM SCIENTISTS
Some famous scientists didn’t and don’t believe in God.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

Tektonics Apologetics comedy section, thanks

I can't tell whether you believe those arguments, or you posted them because they are for the most part horrible leaps of illogic.

you have had a long time to think about this, havent you.

ARGUMENT FROM FLOWERS
That flower is pretty.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM NON-INSTRUMENTATION
You are an theist.
You did something bad.
You are obviously not an instrument of God.
God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM QUANTUM PHYSICS
Quantum physics uses an uncertainty principle.
But there is no room for God in science.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM THERMODYNAMICS
The Second Law of Thermodynamics says that a closed system tends to disorder.
The universe is ordered.
It did this by itself without any intervention by a higher power (like how a jar of oil, water and sand will "order itself").
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM SONGS
The song "Dear God" by XTC has the line "If there's one thing I don't believe in... It's you, dear God.."
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM APOLOGETICS WEBPAGES
I was surfing the Net and came across this webpage of apologetics.
Their arguments were stupid. A monkey could refute them.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM LACK OF COMFORT
All kinds of people have found no comfort in religion.
That means there isn’t anything there to give comfort to them.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM ACTIVISM
Atheism is affirming this country's secular roots!
We are atheists!
We will make a big stink about this, and not let theists win!
We will win because we are right!
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM EXISTENTIALISIC LONELINESS
This is all there is to existence.
It's horrible, pointless, brutal and nasty.
It's depressing.
I'm lonely.
There is nothing else out there.
I mean it, there just can’t be.
THERE IS NOTHING ELSE OUT THERE!
AGGGRRG!!! THERE JUST CAN’T BE!!!!
God! He can’t be out there for me.
I'm still so lonely!
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM SINS I LIKE
I like X.
This isn’t just my opinion.
It is backed up with facts.
It has nothing to do with morals, but facts.
Christians say X is a sin.
But for a sin to exist and Christians to be right, God must exist.
I don’t believe X is a sin.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM ATHEIST SOLIPSISM
Everything but God is real.
See #1.

ARGUMENT FROM THE THRONE ROOM
Yes, I would stand in the presence of a mighty king and demand that he prove he exists.
I don’t care if you believe that's what I’m doing with God, you arrogant jerks.
I don't CARE!
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM LACK OF IMAGINATION
I couldn't imagine believing in God.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM WOW
When I look into the sky and see all the pretty stars, all those galaxies...
Wow.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM KINDLY PSYCHOANALYSIS
You say there's a God? Ah, someone calling himself an atheist must have really hurt you in the past
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM CHRISTIAN EXPERTS ARE IGNORED
Dembski, Behe and Plantinga are ignored by mainstream intellectuals.
Their work and opinions don’t prove God exists.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM CHRISTIAN EXPERTS ARE NOT IGNORED
Mainstream intellectuals are paying some attention to Dembski, Behe and Plantinga.
Their work and opinions don’t prove God exists.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM COUNTERFACTUAL EVIDENCE
Christians claim the evidence for Jesus' divinity is abundant.
But even if there were lots of evidence, I would still not be convinced.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM LACK OF MIRACLES (II)
Christians say that atheists wouldn't believe in God even if He showed up and performed a miracle for them.
Can you tell me why God doesn’t perform miracles for atheists?
No?
Then you must be an idiot, because God could do that for them.
But no miracles happen.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM WIND
You believe in wind.
But you can't see it.
But God isn’t the same way.
I can see the effects of the wind, but not the effects of God.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM WARREN ROBINETT
There's a secret message in the old Atari video game "Adventure."
It reveals that the game was created by Warren Robinett.
But it’s not the same way with the world.
There are no secret messages from God.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM OFFENSIVENESS
You keep making statements that I think are generalizations, hypocritical, and bigoted.
I will only agree to stay if you stop that.
[Theist tries to be non-offensive]
You're still offending me because of [insert random statement here].
[Theist rereads her posts before posting, posting when she thinks she is not being offensive].
I'm offended!
[Theist tears her hair out trying to figure out how to be non-offensive]
This conversation is just the two of us. I think we should stop this conversation.
[Theist figures 'Forget it' and posts what she really thinks]
WOW! WHAT A BIGOT! I'm leaving!
I have a victory.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM MULTIPLICITY (II)
I have a large number of arguments against God.
There is a small chance that each of them is true.
Using voodoo probability calculations, this means that there is a much greater chance that all of them are true taken together!
And this ISN'T just the mathematical version of the Ontological Proof, I'm a real mathematician and you obviously can't understand this proof because you don't know as much about math as me.
Oh, and don't confuse things by mentioning how many theistic arguments there are, and the probability of each of them being correct...
Or the fact that I basically pulled the probability of each of my arguments being correct out of my rear end...
And admit that I know more about math than you, and you'll see that...
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM TRAUMATIC EXPERIENCES
One time, I was in deep emotional pain.
I prayed to God and nothing happened.
You aren't going to deny my emotional pain, are you?
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM ABUSING THE BODY
One time, I fasted for three days straight, prayed on my knees for hours, and didn't sleep, either.
At the end of that time, God never answered me.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM ECSTASY
I woke up last night with a feeling of indescribable pleasure and joy.
It was most likely sexual.
So the ecstasy couldn’t have come from God because God hates sex.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM FORMALIZED PANHANDLING
I don't want to work for a living.
I don't want to pay taxes.
I can get gullible fundamentalist atheists to send me money.
I can use exemption claims to tie the IRS up in court.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist!

ARGUMENT FROM NOT FEELING LOVE ALL AROUND
I don’t feel love all around me. I know the world is a cruel place, that people are uncaring, and that that comes from evolved human behavior.
I don't know how I know. It’s not backed up by anything. It's just there.
I don't know how I know. Stop pestering me!
[Cries until theist goes away]
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM MUSIC (could also be used for art)
I like classical music.
Classical composers said they wrote for God.
But they had to compose for the Church or they would have been executed.
So they weren’t actually writing for God.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM SADISM (I)
Some people claiming to be Christians enjoy beating children.
They claim that there is some justification for it in the Bible.
I believe them.
I claim that they represent the whole of Christianity.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM SADISM (II)
Some claiming to be Christians enjoy treating women like dirt. It makes them feel powerful.
They claim that there is some justification for it in the Bible.
I believe them.
I claim that they represent the whole of Christianity.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM THE BIBLE (II)
The Bible says the Bible is true.
This is a circular argument.
Therefore the Bible is false.
The Bible says God exists.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT
We should give people the benefit of the doubt.
When someone says God doesn’t exist, we should believe them.
A lot of people say God doesn’t exist.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ANTI-PASCAL'S ARGUMENT
If God exists, it would really suck.
If God didn't exist, it would be really cool.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

THE BIBLICAL ALTERATION ARGUMENT
The Bible has been deliberately changed since it was written.
Therefore everything in it must be false.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

BIBLICAL PROPHECIES ARGUMENT
Jesus clearly did not fulfill all the prophecies of the Jews.
That's why there are still Jews today.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

THE LACK OF STEWARDSHIP ARGUMENT (aka THE ENVIRONMENTALIST’S ARGUMENT)
The Bible says that God gave us the earth to take care of it.
We don’t take care of it.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM THE 2nd LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS
All systems become chaotic.
The Universe, too, will become chaotic.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM IPUs
Invisible pink unicorns don't exist.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM THE MEANING OF LIFE
What's the meaning of life?
[Theist gives their answer]
That's not what I believe.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM LOGIC
There are some things in logic that you can't logically demonstrate.
Therefore you have to take them on faith.
But faith in logic is not the same as faith in God.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM VENUS
If you twist the details enough, you can make a case for Venus, as a comet, causing the Biblical catastrophes.
Therefore the Bible is false.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM CAN'T-BE-A-RACIST
Hubert Henry Harrison, A. Philip Randolph, J. A. Rogers, George S. Schuyler, John G. Jackson, John Henrik Clarke, Yosef ben-Jochannan, Bobby E. Wright, John Ragland, James Forman, Deborah Clark, James Baldwin, W. E. B. DuBois, Richard Wright, and Gregory Gross are all famous black people who didn’t believe in God.
I don't think you want to say black people are fools?
That's what I thought.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM JESUS’ TORTURE (aka ARGUMENT FROM SUFFERING)
Christians say that no one ever, ever suffered as much as Jesus did on the cross.
But what about victims of the Inquisition?
What about the women burned at the stake or hanged as witches?
What about all the people who died thinking they were going to Hell?
If God were all good, He wouldn’t let anyone suffer like that.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM SEVERABILITY
Lots of ridiculous statements are made by people who claim to be Real Christians.
They just give Real Christians a bad name.
Real Christians don't believe the Bible is literally true.
That means the Bible isn't true.
And the Bible isn’t the Word of God.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM BECAUSE
Because.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ELABORATED ARGUMENT FROM BECAUSE
Because.
Because why?
Because!
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM "LET'S JUST NOT BELIEVE"
All belief systems should be treated the same as the scientific one.
[Theist: Why?]
Because they have their own grounds.
Anyway, that's my experience of how the world works.
[Theist: It's not mine. And why should you treat claims of UFOs and aliens more seriously than claims of God’s existence?]
I believe there are UFOs and aliens.
But I don’t believe in God.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM UNIQUE EXISTENCE
God may exist, but not in a way that anything else that exists exists.
Since there are no other things that exist as God may exist, we are free to make up things about God's state of existence that ensure his continued non-observability
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM NEGATIVE RELIGIOUS EXPERIENCE
More people have had negative religious experiences in the context of Western theism.
Therefore, God is cruel, unjust and unloving.
[Theist: What about the people who have had positive experiences? Or experiences of God's existence?]
They don't count.
Therefore, God is just the way I describe Him to be.
Oh, yeah. And God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM RIGHTS
The Constitution is the the basis of U.S. law.
Therefore, the Declaration of Independence is meaningless.
The Constitution created our rights.
The DoI is wrong in saying that our rights come from God.
You have rights, don't you?
Well where do you think they came from?
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM FUTURE EVIDENCE
It doesn't seem to make sense that there would logically be a God.
I know He's not real, and that in the future I think that maybe something will happen probably that will show you all that He isn’t.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM POSTULATE
To fully understand the following demonstration, you must first assume that God doesn’t exist.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM POOR TYPING SKILLS
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[Theist doesn't bother to read it]
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM UNTRANSLATED OLD NON-ENGLISH LANGUAGE
[Atheist quotes paragraph from a historic European non-believer in that person’s original language and does not bother to provide a translation]
How could you possibly refute that?
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM CLEVER USE OF VOCABULARY
Many theists will not be convinced by an argument with "Therefore, God doesn’t exist" as its conclusion.
Consequently, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM IGNORANCE
I don't understand Creationism; I mean how could God create the universe?
(Well informed theist gives articulate explanation of Creationism and gently explains that evolution is a crock.)
Well it seems way too complicated and unlikely to me. Plus I don't want to live my life thinking I was created by some imaginary sky-daddy.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist and Jesus is a myth.
(Theist argues that atheist's ignorance of Creationism does not logically lead to the conclusion that there is no God.)
Says you! Get bent.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM CHURCH
Lots of people don’t go to church.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM PHOTO-OP (ARGUMENT FROM THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE II)
A couple of federal judges ruled in 2002 that the Pledge was unconstitutional because it states "one nation, under God.
Almost immediately thereafter, the whole U.S. Senate recited the Pledge, including "under God," in the Capitol.
The Senators' conduct was just a bunch of political posturing and/or vote whoring.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM DEFENESTRATION
If God exists, then He’d protect you if I pushed you out this third story window.
[Christian tries to explain the fallacy of that position]
*shove*
See! God didn't protect you, just like I predicted! Any counterarguments, Christian?
No?
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM MUSHROOMS
This pizza tastes funny.
That purple llama on the ceiling is juggling chainsaws.
Purple llamas can't juggle chainsaws.
It must be evolution!
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM MYTHOLOGY (aka ARGUMENT FROM COPYCATTING III)
The Old Religions were the source of stories in the Bible.
The Old Religions were all false.
Therefore, I must be right.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM ACCUSATION
God doesn’t exist.
Therefore, YOU know that God doesn’t exist.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM NOT-BELIEVING
The New Testament says unbelievers would question Christians.
Hardly any do.
Therefore the bible is false.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM BANANAS
Bananas have many characteristics that make them attractive as primate food.
They're so good that they must have evolved along with primates.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM METEORS (aka ARGUMENT FROM FALWELL)
I think that Jerry Falwell believes that God hates gay people (though he has said otherwise, but he is lying).
God listens to everything Jerry Falwell says.
Disney World held a Gay Day parade.
God could punish Disney World by sending hurricanes, earthquakes, and possibly a meteor to Florida.
God didn't, thus disproving both postulate 1 and 2.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM COAL MINERS
A bunch of miners got trapped.
A bunch of people worked around the clock for a week to rescue them.
If God existed, He could have just teleported them out of the mine.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM TEENAGE ATHEIST SKATEBOARD RATS
God is bogus!
Like, totally, dude!
Therefore, God, like, doesn’t exist and stuff.

ARGUMENT FROM PERSONAL INABILITY
The Bible says believers will be able to perform miracles greater than Jesus.
Can you at least turn water into wine or, better yet, beer?
No? Well there ya go.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM PERSONAL ABILITY
I lifted a car off my trapped puppy.
I did that without God.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM DIVINE OPPOSITION
Satan is good.
I’d rather be on Satan's side. At least I will be able to drink myself into a stupor, smoke pot, gamble, watch porn, swear, have promiscuous sex, etc.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM DIVINE OPPOSITION AS USED BY A TEENAGE ATHEIST SKATEBOARD RATS
Satan is really cool, dude.
You really wanna, like, be like Satan, right dude?
Therefore God, like, doesn’t exist and stuff. Totally.

ARGUMENT FROM BUFFALO (aka TELEOLOGICAL ARGUMENT IV)
The Indians used every part of the buffalo.
Creation is insufficient to explain why they could do this.
It had to have evolved!
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM DENTAL OPPORTUNITY
Bite me.
Therefore, God doesn’t exists.

ARGUMENT FROM DENTAL OPPORTUNITY, ACCEPTED
Bite me.
OW! YOU BIT ME!
I'm being persecuted!!
Therefore, God doesn’t exist!

ARGUMENT FROM NEW AGEYNESS
If enough people just don’t believe, God won’t exist.
Lots of people have been unbelieving for a very long time.
Therefore, surely by NOW, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM ROUNDNESS (aka TELEOLOGICAL ARGUMENT V)
Isn't it amazing how perfectly round the planets are?
Gravity made this happen.
[Theist: Yes, and?]
Gravity, not God.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist!

ARGUMENT FROM HIDDEN FAITH
The sun will rise tomorrow.
I have no doubt about it.
No, I can’t prove it.
It just will.
Faith? No. I have science, so I don’t need faith.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM IMPLIED UGLINESS (aka TELEOLOGICAL ARGUMENT VI)
If you were created by God, you'd be beautiful.
But look how ugly you are, and the world that is around you.
God would have never made you or the world so ugly.
I don't care if ugliness is totally subjective!
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM BRAINWASHING
Christians claim that we have been brainwashed by secular colleges & universities in their futile thinking, and by secular reasoning.
We can just as easily say that Christians have been brainwashed by churches and the clergy.
Their brainwashing keeps them from the truth, rationality and freethought.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM COMMUNISM
All communists weren’t bad. Haven’t you read history?
All communists were atheists.
Therefore they were right.
Since atheists are more moral than Christians, they are good.
Therefore they are right.
This argument does so make sense!
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM GOOD AND BAD BEHAVIOR
Sometimes I do good things and sometimes I do bad things.
When I do something good, it is because I choose to.
God has nothing to do with it.
When I do something bad, it is because I choose to.
The Devil has nothing to do with it.
Whatever I do, it proves that neither God nor the Devil is real.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM BEER (II)
Real men like beer.
God didn’t make beer and Jesus only made wine.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM TAXATION
Churches don't pay taxes.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM PLANS FOR THE WORLD
There is no plan for the world.
The non-existence of a plan can be seen from the fact that things are the way they are.
My non-belief is not part of any plan, and neither is your belief.
[Theist: Why not?]
This is too complex for your mind to comprehend.
Just accept that there is no plan for the world.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM HIT-AND-RUN
[Atheist creates message board account and logs in]
"GOD IS FONEY AND ALL U STOOPID THEIST MOREONS WILL ROT IN JAIL MARK MY WERDS!!!!!!!!@#3FD"
[Atheist logs off and never returns]
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM PECULIARITY
Evolution made us peculiar people.
Stop laughing, foul believer.
In order to preserve our own particular peculiarity---
Stop laughing, I said.
We must be a people apart.
This means not listening to anyone who believes differently than we do, because this would taint our peculiarity.
If you do not stop laughing---
(Oh, I have to do the end of the argument).
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.
And God especially doesn’t exist because believers are laughing at us, which means we're persecuted, which means we're special.
Therefore, (once again) God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENTUM FROM TINKERTOYS
Take some tinkertoys and make several "creations".
Add and/or subtract pieces from the creations.
Repeat as many times as you wish.
The tinkertoys are evolving.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM HOSPITAL (aka ARGUMENT FROM LACK OF MIRACLES II)
A dear relative of mine was terminally ill and undergoing extensive surgery in the hospital.
My whole family sat outside the OR and prayed through the entire eight hours of surgery.
He died.
The doctors said there was nothing they could do to save him.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM WEIRD
You look weird, theist.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM ALIENS
I was once abducted by aliens.
The Bible doesn’t say anything about aliens.
If aliens exist, then God doesn’t.
You've seen the X-files, haven't you?
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM LACK OF REVELATION
God should be able to tell me He exists.
I don’t hear God telling me anything.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM FORCE
[Argument from theist]
[Atheist shoots theist]
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM NAZIISM
Hitler was trying to establish a Christian theocracy.
Therefore, Hitler was a theist.
Hitler was the worst leader possible.
Therefore, all theists are bad people.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM UNCONSCIOUS ATHEISM
Theists think God created life.
Well, they shouldn’t if they thought about it really, really hard.
Evolution is enough to explain the creation of life.
So theists shouldn’t believe in God, if they weren't so dumb.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM COMMUNICATION FROM GOD
I had this incredible experience that I attest to natural causes stemming from evolution.
[Theist says, "Couldn't there be a message from God?"]
No, I'm telling you this could be only be explained naturally.
[Theist suggests alternate explanations q,r,s,t,u,v,w,x,y and z which all involve God.]
No, none of those can explain it.
Because they can't!
[Theist is not convinced.]
How dare you deny my special experience!
[Theist tries to explain that s/he's only questioning the atheist's interpretation of that experience, and not the claim that something special was experienced.]
You just don't want to believe that what I experienced wasn’t from God, because you are a closed-minded, dogmatic theist!
And also, you are a big meanie and I'm not talking to you anymore!
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM COLTRANE
John Coltrane's "A Love Supreme" is dedicated to God.
John Coltrane's "A Love Supreme" is full of passion.
John Coltrane, like every other theist, is full of it.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM GEORGE HARRISON
George Harrison wrote "My Sweet Lord," a song about finding God.
George Harrison is dead.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM THE POPE
The pope believes in God.
The pope, like every other theist, is full of it.
I hate the pope.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM GAME THEORY
Atheist: [after lengthy explanation] Hence, pursuant to game theory, non-belief in an afterlife is the most sensible option.
Theist: Wait a minute. That's just a modified Pascal's Wager.
Aheist: Nuh uh!
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

"FALSE BECAUSE IT IS INCONSISTENT" ARGUMENT
If the Bible authors were truly inspired by God, it would have been perfect and seamless and without any apparent inconsistencies.
But the Bible is inconsistent, erroneous, and plain goofy at many places
So the Bible is NOT a product of your sky-daddy and is without question the product of some smooth-talking manipulative authors.
Hence the Bible isn’t the word of God.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM BUZZWORDS
As game theory clearly shows, the complex nature of the universe indicates probabilistic fine-tuning at the quantum level and renders God logically unnecessary.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM THINGS HURT (I)
Things hurt.
Theists say that God takes away all our hurt.
They really are stupid, aren't they?
Atheists are smarter than that.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM THINGS HURT (II)
Some things hurt a lot.
Theists say that God takes away all our hurt.
But since they can't derive "ought" from "is," their belief presupposes the non-existence of God.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

EXISTENTIAL ARGUMENT FROM EVIL (aka ARGUMENT FROM POWER)
I have a gun.
[Theist: "Ouch!!!"]
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM RELIGIOUS DIVERSITY
The difference in religions disproves God's existence.
Everyone knows and understands this.
Well, everyone who matters, anyway.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM RELIGIOUS LANGUAGE
God doesn’t exist.
Therefore, when I talk about God or related concepts, these words denote something.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM EVOLUTION
Science is always true.
Science says that there is a vanishingly small chance that all of this could have happened on its own.
But it obviously did happen on its own no matter how small the chance because we’re here now talking about it.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM SCIENCE
Science is always true.
Therefore there is no room for religious faith.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM THINGS HURT (III)
Things hurt.
Theists claim that things hurting are part of God's plan.
They also claim that a lot of the good things in life only come through suffering.
This is a load of hogwash since an all-good, all-loving God would not allow pain and suffering.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM GUNS (II)
We have a gun.
In fact, we have a lot more guns than you do.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM MONTY PYTHON
Graham Chapman appeared in a film that made fun of Jesus.
Graham Chapman died of a horrible, incurable disease.
I can’t believe in a God that doesn’t have a sense of humor about himself.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM WAR
War is worse than Hell.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM ELVIS
Some people call Jesus "the King."
But we know Elvis was the only "King."
Even believers can have a glimpse of wisdom.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

LINGUAL ARGUMENT
Some people claim that there's existence in nonexistence.
Some of those people are theists.
But I am going to apply that silly argument to the whole of theism.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

THE CIRCULAR DIVINE POWER ARGUMENT
If God exists, then His existence must be the work of God.
This is a circular argument that I pulled out of my nether regions. It has no basis in logic or reality.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM OPPRESSION (related to the various ARGUMENTS FROM OFFENSIVENESS)
God doesn’t exists.
[Theist asks any one of various questions, or even just starts to ask them]
Are you saying that God does exist?
You're oppressing me! You're depriving me of the right to disbelieve in God if I want to!
Oppression is bad.
Therefore, you are bad.
Therefore, you must be wrong.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM WHEAT
A grain of wheat will always fall to the ground and the outer shell "dies".
But see, eventually the grain will grow into a fuller, more vital form.
Hey, that's evolution for ya!
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM WARM & FUZZY THINGS
When I was a theist, I didn't have any warm & fuzzy things in my life.
I really like warm & fuzzy things.
If the Judeo-Christian God exists, He would’ve made sure I go lots of warm & fuzzy things to make me happy.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM SCIENCE (II)
Everything was fine until man created theism to take the place of science.
Science is still alive and well.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM AMERICA
God bless America?
How did God bless America on 9/11?
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM MASSIVE OPIATES
Got to keep the public distracted.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM KING JOSIAH
No time to expand the kingdom.
Therefore God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM THE ACLU
I say God doesn’t exist.
I could sue you and have you locked up, you know.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM IT'S MY BALL AND YOU CAN'T PLAY
There is abundant logical and empirical evidence that God does not exist.
There is no evidence that God does exist.
I know because I play by a different set of rules.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM DISCOMFORT
I am happy not believing in God.
Then you come along and say all this nasty stuff to take my happiness away.
*sniff*... *sniff*... why are you making me uncomfortable?
Anyone who makes other people uncomfortable must be different. And bad. And ignorant.
Daddy will hug me!
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM ARTIFACT
Archeologists have never found the remains of some places and events mentioned in the Bible.
So the Bible is false.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist
What? "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence?" That only applies to things that disprove God. Stop trying to use that against us!

ARGUMENT FROM LITTLE BABIES (I)
Sometimes a bad person hurts little babies because he doesn't have a happy life.
An all-good, all-loving God wouldn’t let this happen.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM LITTLE BABIES (II)
Sometimes little babies are different from one another - how could you explain that?! Like, one will be really happy, and another will be sad. Sometimes even twins.
This proves evolution.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM A VIDEO I WATCHED WITH MY DAD
Me and my dad watched this video about evolution.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM WHAT YEAR IT IS
The years of our calendar traditionally have been dated from the birth of Christ.
But now we’ve got a "new" system of dating called the "Common Era" system.
Basically, all it does is use the same reckoning (i.e. from the birth of Christ), but we’ve changed the designations from "B.C." and "A.D." to a more atheist-pleasing "B.C.E." and "C.E." That way, we don’t have to acknowledge that the birth of Christ was a significant or even an actual event in history.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM EARTH-CENTRISM
A few hundred years ago, people thought that everything in the universe revolved around the earth.
Some of those people were theists, but they were taking their cues from the scientists of the time.
I’ll just ignore that last part and blame it on the theists.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM UNKNOWN QUALITIES
Theists claim that God has qualities we mere humans can't possibly know.
If we can’t know them, then how can we know He even exists?
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM FORGIVING MISGUIDEDNESS
Atheist: X, Y, and Z all prove God is cruel and evil in the Bible and that He doesn’t exist.
Theist: But I can refute X, Y, Z and unsaid arguments A, B, and C...
Atheist: Don't worry, you're wrong and your questioning my arguments just proves how stupid and arrogant you are.
Theist: But you haven't said anything rational.
Atheist: God is a lie. Duh.
Therefore God doesn’t exist.
Repeat 4, [3|5] ad infinitum.

ARGUMENT FROM NOT FEELING GOD'S PRESENCE
Theists always say they can feel God's presence.
If God existed, He could use his omnipotence to make everyone feel his presence.
I’ve never felt God's presence.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM WILLFUL IGNORANCE
It simply doesn't make sense that an unseen, all-knowing, all-powerful, all-good sky-daddy created the world out of nothingness, from magic, essentially, and then punished us for eating a piece of fruit, and then incarnated himself in human flesh and came down to shed his own blood so he could break his own rules, and then went through hell on a temporary basis and then went back into the sky and promised to come back and take everyone who believed in him to this heaven no one has ever seen?
Don’t bother trying to explain it to me or tell me how I’ve falsely portrayed God. I like being an atheist.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM WILLFUL IGNORANCE, ADDENDUM
Theist: Yes, it does.
Atheist: See, you're confusing the issue again! Think Simple and Sensible!
Therefore, doesn’t God exist.

ARGUMENT FROM SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN
Scientific American published an article that shows creationism is nonsense.
Theists argue that the first editor of Scientific American was a Christian.
Thankfully, things have changed for the better.
Christians shouldn’t have anything to do with science or scientific publications.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN (II)
Answers in Genesis copied and replied to the full text of an article from Scientific American.
SA sent only one email to AiG saying that they don't necessarily want their articles distributed for free in the internet by just anyone.
AiG was obviously in the wrong even though SA can’t prove that the article wasn’t used under the rules of "fair use."
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM PEPPERED MOTHS
Science textbooks rightly use the "peppered moths" to prove evolution.
Theists say that peppered moths prove creationism.
Obviously theists have no clue what they’re talking about.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM RADIO SIGNALS
There are many radio signals floating around our heads all the time.
God could use them to communicate to us.
I haven’t heard from God.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM INDIA
[Non-believer asks if the theist would still call his religious experiences Christian if he had been raised in another country]
[Theists questions the validity of "what if" arguments]
[Non-believer takes that as proof that the theist is "full of it"]
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM BESTSELLERDOM
The Bible is the best-selling work in history.
Just because it's popular doesn't mean it's the Word of God.
And there's plenty of evidence to suggest it's not.
[Sound of theist squirting milk out his nose]
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

MODIFIED TRILEMMA ARGUMENT
Jesus was either Lord, liar, or lunatic.
He was obviously one or both of the latter two, but I can’t prove it.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM ANARCHY
There is no objective truth to the universe.
If there were, we wouldn’t have to be constantly fighting against anarchy.
We wouldn’t need courts or governments or anything.
[Theist falls out of her chair from laughing so hard]
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM DIVINE RIGHT
God saves the king/queen.
There have been several kings/queens who have died.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM SQUARE CIRCLES
I flippantly say that I can conceive of a square circle, though I can’t possibly even begin to describe what it would look like.
Obviously God can’t make a square circle, or they would exist.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist

ARGUMENT FROM DICTATORSHIP
Many dictators claimed to be following God.
Dictators are wrong.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM TERROR
The lightning storm filled me with the terror.
God is obviously cruel and evil.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM MEANING
God is not needed for things to have meaning.
I mean...
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM QUALITY OF LIFE
Quite simply, the non-theist life is better than the theist life.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM GAME SHOWS
I have 55 contradictions I found in the Bible, and you have 15 seconds to answer them.
(Theme from "Jeapardy" plays in the background)
AAHHHHHH... Time's up. So sorry; there are no parting gifts.
Therefore God doesn't exist.

ARGUMENT FROM RIDICULOUS COMPARISON
Some people believe that God exists.
Some people believe that Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny exist.
Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny do not exist.
Therefore, God does not exist.

ARGUMENT FROM CONTRAST
Theists believe that God is supernatural and always existed.
"Supernatural" contrasts "natural".
Therefore, nothing that is "supernatural" can exist unless something which is "natural" exists at the same time.
Things that are natural didn't exist until the universe began to exist
Therefore, that which is supernatural could not have always existed
Therefore, God does not exist.

ARGUMENT FROM MEASUREMENTS
Theists say that God is everywhere.
If God was everywhere, our instruments that measure things would show that he's there.
They don't.
Therefore, God does not exist

ARGUMENT FROM NIETZSCHE or ARGUMENT FROM THE FASIONABILITY OF QUOTING NIETZSCHE
Nietzsche says God is dead.
Anyone who says that God is dead must be highly intelligent.
Anyone who is highly intelligent can be trusted to make only true statements.
Therefore Nietzsche was smart and was speaking the truth when he said that God is dead.
Therefore God is dead (ie God does not exist).

ARGUMENT FROM MARX
Marx says that religion is the opium of the masses.
If I'm seen reading a copy of the Communist Manifesto, it'll make me look like an intellectual.
Therefore God doesn't exist.

ARGUMENT FROM FREUD
Freud says that God is just wish-fulfillment.
Any intangible concept that I wish for, other than good weather, good grades, happiness, love, respect and friendship, cannot exist.
Therefore God doesn't exist.

ARGUMENT FROM DESPERATION
If there is any possibility, even one in a billion billion billion, that the universe could exist without God's help, then that's exactly what happened.
Therefore, God does not exist.

ARGUMENT FROM MAJORITY RULES
God must not exist, since the majority of people on Earth aren't Christians.
Theist - "But the majority of the people on Earth DO believe in God, so, by your logic, God DOES exist."
So? Are you saying that the majority of people believing something automatically makes it true?
Theist - "Ummm...no..."
Therefore, God does not exist.

ARGUMENT FROM ASSUMPTION
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

ARGUMENT FROM CONFUSION
Your Bible says God is not the author of confusion.
I get confused all the time.
Therefore, God does not exist.

ARGUMENT FROM BLISS
Ignorance is bliss.
Theists seem pretty happy a lot of the time
Therefore, theists are ignorant.
Therefore, God does not exist.

I can't tell whether you believe those arguments, or you posted them because they are for the most part horrible leaps of illogic.

In case you hadnt guessed, I'm a Christian ridiculing Athiesm

ARGUEMENT FROM LAZINESS

It takes too much time and energy to hear all about God.
Therefore, God doesn't exist.

please, please, please will you refrain from posting shit like this

In case you hadnt guessed, I'm a Christian ridiculing Athiesm

You've fought well for your faith, son. I'm converting right away.

please, please, please will you refrain from posting shit like this

Why should Athiests be the only ones allowed a sense of humour?

Why should Athiests be the only ones allowed a sense of humour?


ok I take that back and apologise

I've just read it all through and it's fucking hilarious.

Argument from direct observation:
Unless God reveals himself to me, he does not exist.

Argument from refusal to accept:
If God reveals himself to me, I'm halucinating
Therefor God does not exist.

Why should Athiests be the only ones allowed a sense of humour?Because religion is a serious matter ;)

Check the evangelist meets aristotle topic - still on page one :P

In case you hadnt guessed, I'm a Christian ridiculing Athiesm
You're a complete idiot who has no ability to admit the possibility that he could be wrong, and thusly refuse to actually examine the arguments that are placed before him.
Why should Athiests be the only ones allowed a sense of humour?
When you demonstrate that you have one you'll receive your license to have a sense of humour

ARGUMENT FROM CREATION VS EVOLUTION
If evolution is true, then creationism is false, and therefore God doesn’t exist.
Creation can’t be true, since I lack the mental capacity to understand it and am not at all interested in studying it; moreover, to accept its truth would cause me to be uncomfortable
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

Are you just baiting for flames here or what? I don't believe in creationism because it's something that doesn't follow logic or science, it requires faith.

Faith, religion & the believe in a deity stem forth from the human mind/psyche, and dates back to the first conscient humans trying to explain the world arround them to themselves. It later evolved as the most primal form of law known to man, with the concept of keeping society in a stable state. Think about it, it does make sense if you look at man's history & the history behind various beliefs. Since i've been here i've also learned alot about various religions even collaborating my theory of the origins of religion.

Also, if you can accept the idea of an omnipotent supernatural being popping into existance (or always have existing) surely it's far less fetched to assume the matter/energy that created the universe also to have always existed?

According to some other religions god is just that, that matter/energy that always existed, and as such isn't a sentient being, or an intelligent being, but just a force if you will.

ARGUMENT FROM ABSURDITY (aka THE MOST COMMON ATHEIST ARGUMENT)
B---s---!
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

More baiting? See my point above, my position has been thought about, i constantly think about these matters and improve/addapt my theory with every new bit of insight i aquire.

Sofar every bit of insight & knowledge i have gathered has further enforced my theory to be not only plausible, but also logical & sound

Most atheists have their own opinions on these matters that they reached through sound reflexion on their part.

ARGUMENT FROM INFINITE REGRESS
Ask theists how the universe came to be.
Regardless of their answer, ask how they know this.
Continue process until the theist admits he doesn't know the answer to one of your questions.
You win!
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

This can be used both ways

ARGUMENT FROM IGNORANCE OF HISTORY
The Bible is completely false.
Therefore, the Bible is toilet paper.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

The bible *is* false, there!

ARGUMENT FROM MONTY PYTHONISH ARGUMENTATION (aka ARGUMENT FROM CONTRADICTON aka ARGUMENT FROM THE AUTOMATIC GAINSAYING OF ANYTHING THE OTHER PERSON SAYS)
God doesn’t exist.
[Theist's counterargument]
No he doesn’t.
[Theist's counterargument]
No he doesn’t!
[Theist's counterargument]
NO HE DOESN’T!!!
[Theist gives up and goes home]
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

Don't you *DARE* mock Monty Python! :p

ARGUMENT FROM INSECURITY
We have gone to absolutely berserk lengths to establish that theists are laughable morons.
Actually, we did so in the hopes of curing our own insecurities about atheism -- but there's no chance in hell we'll ever admit that.
Therefore, theists are laughable morons.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

If religion is created to relieve mankind from the fear of dying, then one could conclude that it's not the atheists who are insecure & scared, but the people who follow religion

ARGUMENT FROM DESIGN
If there is a designer, then God must exist.
If I find a watch in a forest, there must be a designer.
[Atheist ignores the watch in forest]
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

Eh?

I stopped reading after that one tho, i'm not *that* bored

In case you hadnt guessed, I'm a Christian ridiculing Athiesm

You do realise that by posting such crap you're making yourself look like an imbecil right?

ARGUMENT FROM FLOWERS

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Therefore, God does not exist.

Congratulations!
You have learnt how to use the cut-and-paste function.
You have earned a gold star!

Now it is time to start learning about copyright and giving proper accreditation of sources (you may need an adult to help you with this).

"Design, Content, Layout, and Tekton Logo are copyright Tektonics.org, and any copying, duplication, reproduction is strictly prohibited without express permission. That means you guys."

ARGUMENT FROM CREATION VS EVOLUTION
If evolution is true, then creationism is false, and therefore God doesn’t exist.
Creation can’t be true, since I lack the mental capacity to understand it and am not at all interested in studying it; moreover, to accept its truth would cause me to be uncomfortable
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

Oooh nice one danube. How exactly is anyone lacking the mental capacity to understand creation?

Goddidit. There's creation covered in 1/2 a second. Not too hard was it? and not very useful either.

Oooh nice one danube. How exactly is anyone lacking the mental capacity to understand creation?

You appear to have missed the point that Neo Danube didn't write this thing, just stole it from another website. But hey, I guess the ten commandments don't apply on line...

http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm

EDIT: as some may have spotted I gave the wrong link there, and the contents of that page are slightly different. The correct link is http://www.tektonics.org/guest/300proof.html

EDITED AGAIN: becausse somehow I snarfed up the link I wanted to post and instead posted the first one again.

You appear to have missed the point that Neo Danube didn't write this thing, just stole it from another website. But hey, I guess the ten commandments don't apply on line...

http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm

No, i've seen that before. I just thought that since the original ones from godless geeks were fallacious arguments from christians stripped down to look ridiculous, that the version danube posted may have been modified to contain fallacious arguments made by atheists stripped down to look ridiculous. Instead it looks like they just changed the wording slightly and made it look even worse.

edit: what reformentia said.

I can't tell whether you believe those arguments, or you posted them because they are for the most part horrible leaps of illogic.

The original list is actually a rough parody of standard theist arguments used to illustrate how incredibly ridiculous the reasoning employed in them are. Then someone clearly ripped off the idea of the list, for the most part appears to have just exchanged the identity of the theist with an atheist and reversed the argument and then tried to throw it back out as if it demonstrated something while completely failing to comprehend the fact that most of the list doesn't even remotely resemble anything like a list of atheist arguments so just turning it around backwards and spitting it back out doesn't accomplish anything.

It's pretty pathetic actually.

Case in point:

ARGUMENT FROM BEAUTY (aka TELEOLOGICAL ARGUMENT II)
Isn't that baby/sunset/flower/tree beautiful?
Evolution (aka random chance) is a good enough explanation for me how they became so beautiful.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

Who the hell ever made a "look at that beautiful sunset" argument AGAINST God's existence? I've never seen one. Ever. I've seen literally dozens of such ridiculous statements made to argue FOR God's existence.

ARGUMENT FROM CREATION VS EVOLUTION
If evolution is true, then creationism is false, and therefore God doesn’t exist.
Creation can’t be true, since I lack the mental capacity to understand it and am not at all interested in studying it; moreover, to accept its truth would cause me to be uncomfortable
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

Arguments in favor of evolution are overwhelming of the type "We can explain this with evolution. There's every evidential reason to believe evolution is responsible. Therefore evolution." It is arguments AGAINST evolution which take the "no way can I personally comprehend how that (eye/flagellum/immune system/take your pick we've all seen it a hundred times) came to be from evolution, therefore GodDidIt" route. And if anyone needs that demonstrated I can link to about 50 different examples just on this one damn board.

Once again, the attempt to simply reverse the roles of the theist and the atheist in the argument only results in people going "Huh? What orifice did you pull that out of?"

And so on.

It was funny in parts, but got old incredibly fast.

Incidentally, though, with this one:
ARGUMENT FROM ANECDOTAL EXPERIENCE (I)
I once experienced something I can't explain.
I can come up with several possible, natural explanations which do not fit the facts, but make me feel comfortable.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.
Something similar to this is an entirely reasonable approach to take. The idea of the Encounter is a vital one to Christianity; without it, people think the faith is nonsense. If you can experience this Encounter and break it down rationally, finding a natural explanation that fits all of the facts and makes you feel comfortable, even if without a deity figure involved, it is a stronger explanation than one that requires the supernatural.

Of course, it doesn't deny the existence of "A" God. Just your supernatural one. Which, ultimately, is the underlying problem with the whole God idea.

Congratulations!
You have learnt how to use the cut-and-paste function.
You have earned a gold star!

Now it is time to start learning about copyright and giving proper accreditation of sources (you may need an adult to help you with this).

"Design, Content, Layout, and Tekton Logo are copyright Tektonics.org, and any copying, duplication, reproduction is strictly prohibited without express permission. That means you guys."

Indeed.
http://www.tektonics.org/guest/300proof.html
And on a lighter note, the list is neither particularly funny nor relevant.

Yesh! On the Evangeligcals meet aristotle one, everyone had a sense of humour about it.

The original list is actually a rough parody of standard theist arguments used to illustrate how incredibly ridiculous the reasoning employed in them are.

Right, so its ok to ridicule religion, but not no-religion?

ARGUMENT FROM AMERICAN EVANGELISM
Telling people that God exists makes some televangelists filthy rich.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.
You know, I could almost buy that one. :p

Right, so its ok to ridicule religion, but not no-religion?

Of course not. However, the "arguments" this list mocks are mostly used by the believing side - so the relevance is simply much lower.

Indeed.
http://www.tektonics.org/guest/300proof.html
And on a lighter note, the list is neither particularly funny nor relevant.

Yeah, I appear to have linked to a slightly different version in my post, but I believe it was that page to which I was intending to link. Apologies.

Yesh! On the Evangeligcals meet aristotle one, everyone had a sense of humour about it.

Any comments on the copyright issue?

The Lord said...

"Thou hast too much free time on thy hands."

And it was good.

You realise one could just take that entire list, change "thiest" to "athiest" and BAM! You go from making fun of Athiests to Thiests....

You realise one could just take that entire list, change "thiest" to "athiest" and BAM! You go from making fun of Athiests to Thiests....

That is what he did - but then in the other direction. The joke however fails; since the "arguments" mocked are theist and not a-theist "arguments".

Wel.. actually that is unfair. They are the arguments of theist who believe they can use "logic" to prove something which by its very nature cannot be logically proven. Or to rephrase: those who do not understand what "faith" actually means.

In case you hadnt guessed, I'm a Christian ridiculing Athiesm

You forgot the one where the hypocritical thiests bager someone so long and hard they actually push the poor person away from God. 90% of all the athiests that I know is because on beleivers being so overbering that they can't stand talking about God because they are juded. You know, I know more athiests that live a truely good life(the one God wishes us to live) than thiests. Unfortunatly a lot (NOT all) thiests are self glorifed jerks that need to rein in the ego.

BTW I'm agnostic. Do you know why I'm not part of an orginised religion? All the self glorified hypocritical religious jerks out there.

Wel.. actually that is unfair. They are the arguments of theist who believe they can use "logic" to prove something which by its very nature cannot be logically proven. Or to rephrase: those who do not understand what "faith" actually means.

So you are claiming that none of Thomas Aquinas, St. Anselm, Descartes or William Paley understood what 'faith' actually means, yes?

Why should Athiests be the only ones allowed a sense of humour?

No this isn't just a joke. This is a low ethical blow. I know a LOT of atheists and I haven't heard any of these STUPID arguments from them. I have lost a lot of respect I have for you Neo Danube.

That is what he did - but then in the other direction. The joke however fails; since the "arguments" mocked are theist and not a-theist "arguments".

Wel.. actually that is unfair. They are the arguments of theist who believe they can use "logic" to prove something which by its very nature cannot be logically proven. Or to rephrase: those who do not understand what "faith" actually means.

They are NOT athiestic arguments. They are the made up arguments of theists with their heads up their butts. This is soo rediculous. This is a shining example of the way theists threat and think of atheists. This is a VERY un-God like thing to do.

Right, so its ok to ridicule religion, but not no-religion?

It would be ok if it were actually ridiculing it, this attempt failed badly tho.
Might i suggest you upgrade from Christian Humor v1.0 to Atheist Sarcasm v2.0?

In case you hadnt guessed, I'm a Christian ridiculing Athiesm

Right, so its ok to ridicule religion, but not no-religion?

You're not doing a very good job. I don't feel ridiculed.

In case you hadnt guessed, I'm a Christian ridiculing Athiesm
It's not atheism which is being ridiculed here. As a piece of ridicule or satire, it's pathetic.
-----------------------------
Q: What's an atheist's biggest problem in life?
A: No one to talk to during orgasm.

So you are claiming that none of Thomas Aquinas, St. Anselm, Descartes or William Paley understood what 'faith' actually means, yes?

*Faith* means you belief something to be true without proof. Anyone who claims you can prove (or disprove for that matter) God exists through logical deduction does either not understand the concept of God or the concept of logical deduction. Not matter how brilliant they may be in other aspects.

In case you hadnt guessed, I'm a Christian ridiculing Athiesm
Well, being a Chrisitian myself I would like to commend you for following Christ's example as he ridiculed....the.....no.....oh wait.

Wow, you sure did demonstrate some awesome Christian virtue, mockery and ridiculing.

I get so angry on these boards at the constant barrage of attacks on people of faith especially Christians.

Then someone like you comes along just to make certain there is reason enough for continued abuse.

Thanks, appreciate it.

You appear to have missed the point that Neo Danube didn't write this thing, just stole it from another website. But hey, I guess the ten commandments don't apply on line...

http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm

EDIT: as some may have spotted I gave the wrong link there, and the contents of that page are slightly different. The correct link is http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm

Altogether boys and girls: "Thou shalt not steal!":rolleyes:

Seriously Neo Danube, I respected you when you were fighting for that Saudi Arabian Religous Rights petition, you'll even find my signature on it, but I have to say that you've gone down a lot in my estimation with this episode.

They are NOT athiestic arguments. They are the made up arguments of theists with their heads up their butts. This is soo rediculous. This is a shining example of the way theists threat and think of atheists. This is a VERY un-God like thing to do.

No they are not 'Atheistic' arguements--stop adding T I C to words that dont require it, it does nothing for the statement.

Several of them are proven logical suppositions from renouned thinkers throughout history on the non-existance of God.

If I am not mistaken many of whom were Atheists.

No, i've seen that before. I just thought that since the original ones from godless geeks were fallacious arguments from christians stripped down to look ridiculous, that the version danube posted may have been modified to contain fallacious arguments made by atheists stripped down to look ridiculous. Instead it looks like they just changed the wording slightly and made it look even worse.

edit: what reformentia said.

Oh you mean the Christians who posted this on the same page
"
From the Atheists of Silicon Valley Humor Page.
NOTE: For real proofs of the nonexistence of any god, see Why Atheism?

For other evidence, go to Atheists of Silicon Valley debate page."


Those Christians? Oh ok.

I got bad news for you, there is no logical arguement on either side.

None-

Faith--

Agnostics are the only ones with any logical merit--their mantra "More data please".

Altogether boys and girls: "Thou shalt not steal!":rolleyes:

Whoops, looks like I snarfed that link again, back to do another edit.

1. The world is filled with natural disasters.
2. Natural disasters are bad (including solifluction)
3. Slippery slopes are natural disasters.
4. therefore god exists. (or doesnt exist)

qed.



(I really only wanted to say qed)

Oh you mean the Christians who posted this on the same page
"
From the Atheists of Silicon Valley Humor Page.
NOTE: For real proofs of the nonexistence of any god, see Why Atheism?

For other evidence, go to Atheists of Silicon Valley debate page."


Those Christians? Oh ok.

Lets unpack this all for a moment: in an attempt to ridicule atheists we have a Christian posting up the writings of atheists which have been crafted to ridicule Christians. Am I following this correctly?

It's not atheism which is being ridiculed here. As a piece of ridicule or satire, it's pathetic.

In case you hadnt noticed, its a piece of irony that you say that about this post but wont say the same about the Evangelicals post.

I didnt make this post to ridicule Athiesim. I made it to gauge the responses of people compared to the responses of people ridiculing Chrisitanity. Guess what? You all proved exactly what I thought. People are revolted by ridiculing Athiesim, and enjoy ridiculing Christianity and other religions, even if the ridicule style and nature is near identical

Oh you mean the Christians who posted this on the same page
"
From the Atheists of Silicon Valley Humor Page.
NOTE: For real proofs of the nonexistence of any god, see Why Atheism?

For other evidence, go to Atheists of Silicon Valley debate page."


Those Christians? Oh ok.

I got bad news for you, there is no logical arguement on either side.

None-

Faith--

Agnostics are the only ones with any logical merit--their mantra "More data please".

What did you think of my post where i explain my point of view? (on page 2)

Lets unpack this all for a moment: in an attempt to ridicule atheists we have a Christian posting up the writings of atheists which have been crafted to ridicule Christians. Am I following this correctly?

Its making a point. In case you havent noticed, everyone on this thread has said how stupid and sad it is, where as in the thread ridiclung Christianity, everyone has laughed along and enjoyed it. Do I sense double standards?

In case you hadnt noticed, its a piece of irony that you say that about this post but wont say the same about the Evangelicals post.

I didnt make this post to ridicule Athiesim. I made it to gauge the responses of people compared to the responses of people ridiculing Chrisitanity. Guess what? You all proved exactly what I thought. People are revolted by ridiculing Athiesim, and enjoy ridiculing Christianity and other religions, even if the ridicule style and nature is near identical

The problem was the absence of humor & ridicule. I can laugh with jokes made at the expense of my own self *if* they are indeed funny.

This failed. Badly.
There's alot better material out there mocking atheists, i suggest you assault google & try again

In case you hadnt noticed, its a piece of irony that you say that about this post but wont say the same about the Evangelicals post.

I didnt make this post to ridicule Athiesim. I made it to gauge the responses of people compared to the responses of people ridiculing Chrisitanity. Guess what? You all proved exactly what I thought. People are revolted by ridiculing Athiesim, and enjoy ridiculing Christianity and other religions, even if the ridicule style and nature is near identical

In case you hadnt guessed, I'm a Christian ridiculing Athiesm


You confuse me.

Lets unpack this all for a moment: in an attempt to ridicule atheists we have a Christian posting up the writings of atheists which have been crafted to ridicule Christians. Am I following this correctly?

LOL---I simply followed the link you provided to where he ripped the information from--so yes it would indeed appear to be so BWO.

I see no merit in his posting any of this, regardless of where it came from.

You do realise that by posting such crap you're making yourself look like an imbecil right?
I think this summed it up quite nicely.

Its making a point. In case you havent noticed, everyone on this thread has said how stupid and sad it is, where as in the thread ridiclung Christianity, everyone has laughed along and enjoyed it. Do I sense double standards?

What point is it making? It appears to me that the point being made my the atheists who wrote it is that the logical proofs for the existence of God as put forward by Christians in all seriousness are as facile and ludicrous as such arguments for the non-existence of God as, picking one at random...

ARGUMENT FROM LACK OF BELIEF
If God exists, then I should believe in Him.
I don’t believe in God.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

I fail to see how this ridicules atheists, seeing as how the atheists self-consciously set out to produce fallacious arguments.

Still no comment on the copyright issue?

All I got to say is holy god, he coppied that whole list to forums

Too bad it is just a bad knockoff copy of the over 300 proofs god exists list

Oh you mean the Christians who posted this on the same page
"
From the Atheists of Silicon Valley Humor Page.
NOTE: For real proofs of the nonexistence of any god, see Why Atheism?

For other evidence, go to Atheists of Silicon Valley debate page."


Those Christians? Oh ok.

I got bad news for you, there is no logical arguement on either side.

None-

Faith--

Agnostics are the only ones with any logical merit--their mantra "More data please".

No no no. Is it really so hard to understand? The original "proofs" of the existence of god were posted on one site (among others) called godless geeks by atheists who ridiculed christians attempts to prove the exitence of god.

This new list is a poorly written satire of the previous list written by christians who ridicule atheists attempts to prove there is no god.

The original list wasnt written by christians, i never said that, and if i did it was a mistake.

Its making a point. In case you havent noticed, everyone on this thread has said how stupid and sad it is, where as in the thread ridiclung Christianity, everyone has laughed along and enjoyed it. Do I sense double standards?
Depends this list is just a bad knockoff list ... I am all for a good joke but it has to be that, a GOOD joke.

The problem was the absence of humor & ridicule. I can laugh with jokes made at the expense of my own self *if* they are indeed funny.

This failed. Badly.
There's alot better material out there mocking atheists, i suggest you assault google & try again

I dont think you understand. Again

Its not supposed to be that humourous. Only in so far as the double standards are humourous. Everyone laughed at these jokes when made at the expense of Christians. These are practically exactly the same jokes made at the expense of athiests, and no one laughed. So what is wrong?

Its making a point. In case you havent noticed, everyone on this thread has said how stupid and sad it is, where as in the thread ridiclung Christianity, everyone has laughed along and enjoyed it. Do I sense double standards?
No everyone does not laugh--however the more anyone contributes to the onslaught of insults and flames the more there will be.

You were not trying to do anything of merit, you had a point to prove.

Now in response every half-wit 14 year old kid who thinks its funny to piss off Chrisitians will amke a thread because--DIRECTLY because of your thread , the one where you plainly state "YOu are a Christian ridiculing Atheists"

Again,

Thanks A lot.

Being a considerate logical clear thinking CHrisitian on these boards setting an impressive example never occured to you right?

Depends this list is just a bad knockoff list ... I am all for a good joke but it has to be that, a GOOD joke.

The jokes are practially the same. So why do people laugh when they are at the expense of Christians?

I dont think you understand. Again

Its not supposed to be that humourous. Only in so far as the double standards are humourous. Everyone laughed at these jokes when made at the expense of Christians. These are practically exactly the same jokes made at the expense of athiests, and no one laughed. So what is wrong?

The original list was made by Atheists who took claims of Theists and ridiculed them.

This is was made by Theist making up claims and ridiculing them.

See the difference?

I dont think you understand. Again

Its not supposed to be that humourous. Only in so far as the double standards are humourous. Everyone laughed at these jokes when made at the expense of Christians. These are practically exactly the same jokes made at the expense of athiests, and no one laughed. So what is wrong?
These are not as good
Like I said you can tell it is a cheep knockoff of the 300 proofs list

Being a considerate logical clear thinking CHrisitian on these boards setting an impressive example never occured to you right?

Well its not a pre-requisite of the Athiests. Again, exposing double standards

Right, so its ok to ridicule religion, but not no-religion?
No, it's fine to poke fun at atheism, but this attempt didn't succeed in doing it. By simply reversing arguments about theism, it completely missed the target, and lacked the subtlety, intelligence or understanding of good satire. It sounded like the attempt of a primary school kid who hadn't yet grasped the idea of this type of humour/ridicule.

No no no. Is it really so hard to understand? The original "proofs" of the existence of god were posted on one site (among others) called godless geeks by atheists who ridiculed christians attempts to prove the exitence of god.

This new list is a poorly written satire of the previous list written by christians who ridicule atheists attempts to prove there is no god.

Ah, right, I see...

Q: Just to be fair to all sides, shouldn't you guys also make a list of arguments for the nonexistence of God?

A: That's not our project goal. But as it happens, such a list already exists. (http://www.tektonics.org/300proof.html) It was created by a Christian apologist (we use the word loosely) who writes under the name James Patrick Holding, and is maintained at his website. (http://www.tektonics.org/) Expect to be disappointed, however -- whereas we make an effort to accurately portray actual Christian lines of reasoning, Mr. Holding, true to the parasitic nature of his endeavour, simply took an earlier version of the List and reversed the wording to make the arguments atheistic. Few of the arguments represent actual atheistic lines of thought.

These are not as good
Like I said you can tell it is a cheep knockoff of the 300 proofs list

These are practially identical

Well its not a pre-requisite of the Athiests. Again, exposing double standards

Like supporting a religion which commands 'Thou shalt not steal' whilst republishing material without permission despite the explicit admonition not to do so?

The jokes are practially the same. So why do people laugh when they are at the expense of Christians?
Let it go. I mean are you so desperate to attack someone? Is getting back at those 'evil' atheists for slighting you on a FOrum so important?

Your actions are not Christian---at least say you are from a different religion.
Please.

The original list was made by Atheists who took claims of Theists and ridiculed them.

This is was made by Theist making up claims and ridiculing them.

See the difference?

They are pratically identical

Thats the problem. None (or very few) are arguments that have actually been used by atheists. You are making fun of no-one's opinions, its pointless.

These are practically exactly the same jokes made at the expense of athiests, and no one laughed. So what is wrong?
Duuh! Atheism isn't the same as Christianity, therefore the same jokes don't work!

No, it's fine to poke fun at atheism, but this attempt didn't succeed in doing it. By simply reversing arguments about theism, it completely missed the target, and lacked the subtlety, intelligence or understanding of good satire. It sounded like the attempt of a primary school kid who hadn't yet grasped the idea of this type of humour/ridicule.

But look what its produced. You are all saying "Its stupid" etc but you didnt say that when the post about Evangelicals was made.

In case you hadnt guessed, I'm a Christian ridiculing Athiesm

That's... actually kind of ironic, since all the arguments you posted are pieces of reverse-argumentation of really bad arguments used by Christians.

Personally, I thought it was kind of amusing, but apparently not in the way you planned it to be.

But look what its produced. You are all saying "Its stupid" etc but you didnt say that when the post about Evangelicals was made.

Why do you ignore every post that explains why the original list works but your's doesn't?

But look what its produced. You are all saying "Its stupid" etc but you didnt say that when the post about Evangelicals was made.

dammit. We keep saying the same thing but you keep ignoring it. The original list made fun of actual, real christian arguments for the existence of god.

This new list makes fun of arguments THAT NO-ONE HAS EVER USED BEFORE. Therefore its pointless.

But look what its produced. You are all saying "Its stupid" etc but you didnt say that when the post about Evangelicals was made.

We have no duty to post on every thread that comes along. I certainly never posted on that thread.

ND, do you have some kind of filter on your machine which makes the word 'copyright' invisible to you?

We have no duty to post on every thread that comes along. I certainly never posted on that thread.


Yet you posted on this one? Why? If you thought it was so stupid, why not just ignore it, like you ignroed the other one

dammit. We keep saying the same thing but you keep ignoring it. The original list made fun of actual, real christian arguments for the existence of god.

This new list makes fun of arguments THAT NO-ONE HAS EVER USED BEFORE. Therefore its pointless.

Oh i give up, you just cant get through to some people. If you dont answer the post i quoted ND or one like it then there's no getting through to you.

Yet you posted on this one? Why? If you thought it was so stupid, why not just ignore it, like you ignroed the other one

I like how you ignore everyones constant posts that you've stolen copyrighted material, particularly BWO's post about disobeying 'Thou Shalt Not Steal'

The jokes are practially the same. So why do people laugh when they are at the expense of Christians?
The reason the humour fails is because you're just taking a joke on theists and changing one word. If you instead took a real atheist argument, attitude, or action and turned it around to express it in a humorous manner, then it could actually be funny.

As it is right now, it simply doesn't work.

But look what its produced. You are all saying "Its stupid" etc but you didnt say that when the post about Evangelicals was made.
That's probably because the posts about evangelicals were about evangelicals ... what evangelicals say and do ... and not about something completely different but with the word "evangelical" substituted.

It's like taking the sentence "George W Bush was wrong to invade Iraq" and changing it to "Jacques Chirac was wrong to invade Iraq". The first sentence is a valid opinion, the second is just stupid, because Chirac didn't invade Iraq.

Yet you posted on this one? Why? If you thought it was so stupid, why not just ignore it, like you ignroed the other one

To express my concern about a self-professed Christian stealing expressly copyrighted work. The other list was not copyrighted material, and even if it had been, or the particular form it was formatted in, there would have been no contradiction between being an atheist and republishing such copyrighted material, whereas one exists here.

The reason the humour fails is because you're just taking a joke on theists and changing one word. If you instead took a real atheist argument, attitude, or action and turned it around to express it in a humorous manner, then it could actually be funny.

As it is right now, it simply doesn't work.

They are real athiest arguements

Athiests consistantly ignore all the evidence for Jesus, or say its not enough

ARGUMENT FROM COUNTERFACTUAL EVIDENCE
Christians claim the evidence for Jesus' divinity is abundant.
But even if there were lots of evidence, I would still not be convinced.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

Agnostics are always saying to me how they cant imagine God so they wont believe he exists


ARGUMENT FROM LACK OF IMAGINATION
I couldn't imagine believing in God.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

Athiests have often said to me how when they have prayed, there prayers werent answered so they dont believe


ARGUMENT FROM LACK OF MIRACLES (I)
My aunt had cancer.
The doctors gave her all these horrible treatments.
My aunt prayed to God, but she died from her cancer anyway.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

Athiests always try to find a "Contridiction" In the bible to prove it false

ARGUMENT FROM THE BIBLE
[Arbitrary passage from OT]
[Arbitrary passage from NT]
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

I guess you were offended by the Evangelist meets Aristotle thread. Instead of turning the other cheek, you stole copyrighted material, posted it here and later lied about your motives and ignored valid arguments. I hope you are not a representative member of your religion.

You've been doing your religion a disservice.

Athiests consistantly ignore all the evidence for Jesus, or say its not enough

Care to provide such a piece of evidence for Jesus as divine (rather than just as a historical personage)?And while we're at it, how about addressing the matter of copyright?

Care to provide such a piece of evidence for Jesus as divine (rather than just as a historical personage)?And while we're at it, how about addressing the matter of copyright?

See the Bible

They are real athiest arguements

Athiests consistantly ignore all the evidence for Jesus, or say its not enough

Well, maybe that's because the bible doesn't classify as emperical evidence?

Athiests always try to find a "Contridiction" In the bible to prove it false

You just need to take a look at the bible, known, factual history & previous religions.

You *STILL* didn't address my own post & opinion about the origins of the god & religion thingie:rolleyes:

ARGUMENT FROM COUNTERFACTUAL EVIDENCE
Christians claim the evidence for Jesus' divinity is abundant.
But even if there were lots of evidence, I would still not be convinced.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

Yes, they claim.

I never have heard of an atheist using that reasoning. Normally an atheist is asking for all the evidence and christians fail to provide any.

ARGUMENT FROM LACK OF IMAGINATION
I couldn't imagine believing in God.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

Agnostics are always saying to me how they cant imagine God so they wont believe he exists

Do they? Never heard that kind of reasoning either.

ARGUMENT FROM THE BIBLE
[Arbitrary passage from OT]
[Arbitrary passage from NT]
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

Should be: Therefore, the Bible doesn't seem to be a reliable document to base anything on.

This one isn't actually making fun of atheists, does it?

See the Bible

Can you proof that the bible passage of Jesus's ressurection is accurate and factual? The onus of proof is on you

See the Bible

Fallacious appeal to authority.Copyright? Copyright? Copyright?

Can you proof that the bible passage of Jesus's ressurection is accurate and factual? The onus of proof is on you

The Gospels are accounts that were written and distributed within the lifetimes of those who saw Jesus live, die and rise. If they were inacurate, the early Church would not have formed because the people would have known the Gospels were inacurate as they hadnt seen them or the events they described, yet the events are claimed to be in the popular memory (see crowds, public executions etc)

I guess you were offended by the Evangelist meets Aristotle thread. Instead of turning the other cheek, you stole copyrighted material, posted it here and later lied about your motives and ignored valid arguments. I hope you are not a representative member of your religion.

You've been doing your religion a disservice.

An excellent summary, have a cookie.:)

Agnostics are always saying to me how they cant imagine God so they wont believe he exists

Do they? Never heard that kind of reasoning either.
This is actually a distortion of the Christian ontological argument for god - Nothing can be conceived of which is greater than that which exists. We can conceive of God. Therefore God exists. It's baloney, of course!

But look what its produced. You are all saying "Its stupid" etc but you didnt say that when the post about Evangelicals was made.
honestly, this thread reads like talking to a brick wall. So here are the major issues.

Firstly, and you have so far completely ignored this for 6 pages, this is COPYWRITTEN. As such, to post it without any citation, particularly when the original website expressly FORBIDS doing so, is ILLEGAL. People are asking for justification. Get it?

Nextly. The original list that appears in the Evangelical meets Aristole thread uses actual quotes from evangelicals. Then, it saterizes them. Therefore, it is (kinda sorta) funny (i guess). This list takes those same exact proofs, replaces "evangelical" with "atheist", and "creation" with "evolution". These statements were never made by atheists to defend their stance. Therefore, it is not satire (taking something true and expanding it to be funny), but stupid (taking something false and expanding it to be...well...stupid).



They are real athiest arguements

Athiests consistantly ignore all the evidence for Jesus, or say its not enough
When you show me empirical evidence for jesus that can be peer reviewed and verified, then, and only then, will I accept jesus as a divinity. Untill then, there is zero evidence that is worth my time of day. "I prayed and it came true" is not a valid argument, nor is the bible. First rule of academia. Just because it is in a book does NOT make it true.


Agnostics are always saying to me how they cant imagine God so they wont believe he exists
I can imagine god. But I can also imagine a magical elf. Or a invisible pink unicorn. I can imagine alot of things. that doesn't make them real.

Athiests have often said to me how when they have prayed, there prayers werent answered so they dont believe
Um. No. An atheist, in general, will have more to their ideas than "I prayed for an A on a test and I didn't get it". That is a whiny brat of a 13 year old. Try talking to the atheists on this board rather than ridiculing them senselessly, and you might, just might, get actual, logical, well thought out answers.

Athiests always try to find a "Contridiction" In the bible to prove it false
Painting with quite the wide brush there, aren't ya?
If atheists don't believe in the bible being a truth, then a contradiction is a non issue. Are there contradictions? yes. does it matter? no. The bible is a book (literally, the word bible means "the books"). It has no more validity than my copy of Mao II or Greek Tragedies that are stacked over my copy of the bible.

The Gospels are accounts that were written and distributed within the lifetimes of those who saw Jesus live, die and rise. If they were inacurate, the early Church would not have formed because the people would have known the Gospels were inacurate as they hadnt seen them or the events they described, yet the events are claimed to be in the popular memory (see crowds, public executions etc)

One point on wich the gospels were incorrect: The longest eclipse visible from that area (according to the gospels there was an eclispe right?) would be 3 hours, not a whole day. However, the dates don't add up, there's one in 1AD (AD is after his birth right?) and one in 6AD. There are no findings of an earquake happening in that time period (also in the gospels right?) and he died after 2 days of cruxifiction wich is highly unlikely (also according to the gospels)

Now respond to this:

Faith, religion & the believe in a deity stem forth from the human mind/psyche, and dates back to the first conscient humans trying to explain the world arround them to themselves. It later evolved as the most primal form of law known to man, with the concept of keeping society in a stable state. Think about it, it does make sense if you look at man's history & the history behind various beliefs. Since i've been here i've also learned alot about various religions even collaborating my theory of the origins of religion.

Also, if you can accept the idea of an omnipotent supernatural being popping into existance (or always have existing) surely it's far less fetched to assume the matter/energy that created the universe also to have always existed?

According to some other religions god is just that, that matter/energy that always existed, and as such isn't a sentient being, or an intelligent being, but just a force if you will.

This is actually a distortion of the Christian ontological argument for god - Nothing can be conceived of which is greater than that which exists. We can conceive of God. Therefore God exists. It's baloney, of course!

Not quite, you have fluffed the wording somewhat.

God is a being then which none greater can be imagined. We can possess an idea of God. Any being which exists in the outside world is greater than a being which exists only as an idea. Ergo, God exists.

The Gospels are accounts that were written and distributed within the lifetimes of those who saw Jesus live, die and rise. If they were inacurate, the early Church would not have formed because the people would have known the Gospels were inacurate as they hadnt seen them or the events they described, yet the events are claimed to be in the popular memory (see crowds, public executions etc)
Uh huh. We now know that the Trojan war occured. Yet we have some 30 different stories from Agamemnon to the Odyssey to the Aenid to modern versions. All include the use of a great wooden horse that carried Greek soldiers inside, yet have no proof that it happened.

The accounts of the bible were written years, sometimes decades, after the death of Jesus. Accuracy tends to become questionable. Not to mention, second rule of academia. Never use only one source.

The first few ones have all been beaten to death in my philosophy class. They are illogical arguments that no logical person should or can use. They're not funny either.

After the many first few ones, then finally realization of sillyness begins to occur, but from what I can see, it's too far in the future, not worth the reading and maybe only half of them are any good (some of them are just... yeah, ... boring!).

Therefore, I rate this type of humour: BORING! (too long-winded, not to the point fast enough, often taken from serious contexts and not changed at all to make anything amusing).

The accounts of the bible were written years, sometimes decades, after the death of Jesus.

IIRC the earliest of the Gospels is credited with a creation date of over thirty years after the events of the crucifixion.

They are real athiest arguements

Let's see. Although, even if it were they would still have to be expressed in a humorous manner.

Athiests consistantly ignore all the evidence for Jesus, or say its not enough

ARGUMENT FROM COUNTERFACTUAL EVIDENCE
Christians claim the evidence for Jesus' divinity is abundant.
But even if there were lots of evidence, I would still not be convinced.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

This is not a real atheist argument. Atheist don't accept what Christians see as evidence, especially regarding the divinity of Jesus, but if there was real, undeniable evidence, then it would have to be accepted.

Agnostics are always saying to me how they cant imagine God so they wont believe he exists

You still have to make it funny:

ARGUMENT FROM LACK OF IMAGINATION
I can't imagine anyone more powerful than Myrth
therefore God doesn't exist.


Athiests have often said to me how when they have prayed, there prayers werent answered so they dont believe

And the example you give is not only unfunny, but downright sad. Not only did the aunt die, but you downplay the character's sadness at that fact.

Use something that won't be tragic:

ARGUMENT FROM LACK OF MIRACLES (I)
I pray to win the lottery.
I've never bought a ticket.
I've never won the lottery.
Therefore God doesn't exist.

(which works more than one way, because the lottery ticket in this case can represent the ways of the church, etc.)

Athiests always try to find a "Contridiction" In the bible to prove it false

ARGUMENT FROM THE BIBLE
[Arbitrary passage from OT]
[Arbitrary passage from NT]
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

Yes, but atheists don't use arbitrary passages, but those that at least seem to contradict each other.

It would be nicer like this:

ARGUMENT FROM THE BIBLE
The Bible says I must dedicate one day to God
That sounds like too much work
Therefore God doesn't exist.

See the difference? I'm sure you can do better than me with some more thought.

Sorry, I missed that one.

Athiests have often said to me how when they have prayed, there prayers werent answered so they dont believe ARGUMENT FROM LACK OF MIRACLES (I)
My aunt had cancer.
The doctors gave her all these horrible treatments.
My aunt prayed to God, but she died from her cancer anyway.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

This one actually is something I heard atheists say (or something similar). You score 1 of 300 for accuracy, but still 0 of 300 for good satire.

Huh? I don't get it.

IIRC the earliest of the Gospels is credited with a creation date of over thirty years after the events of the crucifixion.
hmm...sounds familiar. I'm looking through some class notes to see what my prof. had to say about it.


Looks to be somewhere in the range of 25-35 years after death.

The Gospels are accounts that were written and distributed within the lifetimes of those who saw Jesus live, die and rise.
Rubbish. This is dogma (not accepted by many mainstream Christians), for which there is no proof.
If they were inacurate, the early Church would not have formed because the people would have known the Gospels were inacurate as they hadnt seen them or the events they described, yet the events are claimed to be in the popular memory (see crowds, public executions etc)
This, too, is nonsense. The "popular memory" has little bearing on this. What most people would have remembered is what they were told, not what they saw. In the decades following the supposed crucifixion, there is no record of anybody claiming that Jesus died at the hands of the Romans in Jerusalem in about 29 CE. The gospel stories came later, written we don't know where or by whom, and incorporate large chunks of myth from other religions and cultures. They bear all the hallmarks of myth-making, and at times they are historically inaccurate and contradictory.

In the decades following the supposed crucifixion, there is no record of anybody claiming that Jesus died at the hands of the Romans in Jerusalem in about 29 CE.

..."One of the thieves was saved. It's a reasonable percentage", eh? Neo Danube, 50/50?

Sorry, I missed that one.



This one actually is something I heard atheists say (or something similar). You score 1 of 300 for accuracy, but still 0 of 300 for good satire.

The presence of suffering was the original reason that I became Atheist but I now see that it was a very weak argument and I have since found far better ones.:)

hmm...sounds familiar. I'm looking through some class notes to see what my prof. had to say about it.


Looks to be somewhere in the range of 25-35 years after death.
35 years is the earliest normally claimed; 40-90 years is the usual estimate, with Mark in the 70s AD and John between about 90 and 120 AD, IIRC. Recently, I've seen arguments that none of the Gospels were written before 100 AD.

35 years is the earliest normally claimed; 40-90 years is the usual estimate, with Mark in the 70s AD and John between about 90 and 120 AD, IIRC. Recently, I've seen arguments that none of the Gospels were written before 100 AD.

Do we have a figure for average life expectancy (ignoring infant mortality) for the 1st Century holy lands?

I'm turning up a figure of about 30 years, but that seems to be including infant mortality. My reason - wondering how many alive as children or adults would have still been alive at the time the Gospels were produced.

Do we have a figure for average life expectancy (ignoring infant mortality) for the 1st Century holy lands?

I'm turning up a figure of about 30 years, but that seems to be including infant mortality. My reason - wondering how many alive as children or adults would have still been alive at the time the Gospels were produced.
I'm sure the figure for those who survive infancy is higher than 30, but I'm not sure what it is. I wouldn't expect there to be more than a few survivers from 29 AD around by the end of the century, though.

We also don't know where the gospels were written. It was quite possibly in the large Jewish diaspora, and not amongst the populations who lived in Palestine. The number of people who survived and had left Palestine for other places would have been even lower.

Do we have a figure for average life expectancy (ignoring infant mortality) for the 1st Century holy lands?

I'm turning up a figure of about 30 years, but that seems to be including infant mortality. My reason - wondering how many alive as children or adults would have still been alive at the time the Gospels were produced.
looks to be those who live to be 15 could expect to live to the ripe old age of 52

looks to be those who live to be 15 could expect to live to the ripe old age of 52

So of those who were possibly witness as young adults to the events as told in the Gospels, about half of them would be dead by the time the first Gospel appeared?

Firmly denying a god is not all that different from firmly believing in one. I don't really hold a definite opinion either way and wouldn't rule out the possibility that there is one (or even many). In the absense of any real evidence, though, I tend to lean toward atheism rather than theism in terms of what strikes me as more likely.

If there is a god, I highly doubt they resemble the Christian conception of God. A pantheistic or deistic god seems much more plausible to me. The Christian God shows a very clear case of cultural coloring. Then again, that seems to be the case with almost all gods. Look at how the Norse pantheon just happened to be really warlike like the Norse.

You're a complete idiot who has no ability to admit the possibility that he could be wrong, and thusly refuse to actually examine the arguments that are placed before him.

When you demonstrate that you have one you'll receive your license to have a sense of humour

He does obviously have a sense of humor and it is atheists who are the biggest idiots. They haven't got the ability to believe in anything beyond the known.

If and When you die I hope God has mercy on you

Athiests consistantly ignore all the evidence for Jesus, or say its not enough
They do not ignore it. They investigate and scrutinise it as they would with evidence of anything else, and then conclude that it's not enough. Then they ask for more, and all they get is the same old stuff over and over again.

Repeating claims which have already been found wanting doesn't make them any less wanting.

He does obviously have a sense of humor and it is atheists who are the biggest idiots. They haven't got the ability to believe in anything beyond the known.

If and When you die I hope God has mercy on you

Is the following theory possible or not:

Faith, religion & the believe in a deity stem forth from the human mind/psyche, and dates back to the first conscient humans trying to explain the world arround them to themselves. It later evolved as the most primal form of law known to man, with the concept of keeping society in a stable state. Think about it, it does make sense if you look at man's history & the history behind various beliefs. Since i've been here i've also learned alot about various religions even collaborating my theory of the origins of religion.

Also, if you can accept the idea of an omnipotent supernatural being popping into existance (or always have existing) surely it's far less fetched to assume the matter/energy that created the universe also to have always existed?

According to some other religions god is just that, that matter/energy that always existed, and as such isn't a sentient being, or an intelligent being, but just a force if you will.

He does obviously have a sense of humor and it is atheists who are the biggest idiots. They haven't got the ability to believe in anything beyond the known.

Many atheists believe in many things which are beyond the known, just not in God (surprisingly enough).

He does obviously have a sense of humor and it is atheists who are the biggest idiots. They haven't got the ability to believe in anything beyond the known.

If and When you die I hope God has mercy on you

If we die? Yes, that post really makes me wish I was as smart and clever as you are. I wanna convert!!!

Many atheists believe in many things which are beyond the known, just not in God (surprisingly enough).

Atheists believe in the things they find logicly plausable (well i do).
For instance, i firmly believe there is life on other planets then Earth.
(This doesn't mean i believe in Roswell or UFO sightings tho, because i also firmly believe that there is no possibility of them getting here)

He does obviously have a sense of humor and it is atheists who are the biggest idiots. They haven't got the ability to believe in anything beyond the known.

If and When you die I hope God has mercy on you
We have the ability, we just don't.

Read Fass' signature. Something along these lines:
I contend that we are both atheists, I simply believe in one fewer god than you. When you understand why you reject every other proposed god, then you will understand why I reject yours.

by the way, here is the table of roman life expectancy broken down by age:
x e(x)
0 25
1 33
5 43
10 41
15 37
20 34
25 57
30 29
35 26
40 23
45 20
50 17
55 14
60 10
65 8
70 6
x=age, e(x) is the expected number of remaining years

I got bad news for you, there is no logical arguement on either side.
There is.

As long as one tries to give/gives quantative properties to or effects springing from G/god(s) they are refutable - If not through exact science then by applying equally undisputable alternative to them eg. Jesus was an alien vs son of god (while he most likely was just a looney ;)).

For the record, I'm not an atheist - I don't have a stance on G/god(s).

Atheists believe in the things they find logicly plausable (well i do).
For instance, i firmly believe there is life on other planets then Earth.
I would say that a rational atheist believes that things which are logically plausible may be true, but that it is a mistake to believe that they are true without more than plausibility to go on.

There may well be life of other planets, but we don't have firm evidence, therefore it is a fallacy to say that there is life on them, IMHO.

How much evidence is there for the existance of Mohammed (sp?) actually?

He does obviously have a sense of humor and it is atheists who are the biggest idiots. They haven't got the ability to believe in anything beyond the known.
They have the ability, but they have more sense than to use it. Belief without knowledge is fantasy.

How much evidence is there for the existance of Mohammed (sp?) actually?
Mohammed's existance is more firmly based than Jesus, since we have writings from his same time period and several sources relating to him and his band of followers.

Of course, that doesn't mean that he was really getting messages from God through an angel that appeared when he was alone, just that the man existed.

The theory of knowledge in general is out to prove that God does exist, not for a specific belief, but because if a god does exist it makes proving why we exist easier.

Aristotle was a philosopher who did use proofs to show that God doesn't exist, but not in the context you are making fun of him, most likely you should be refering to Descartes, Locke, Berkely, or Hume; they use arguments like that, Aristotle argues in a very different matter.

(1) If God is an evil genius and can make us be decieved even about the matters of mathematical knowledge which we seem to see clearly
(a)It is possible that we are decieved even in our matematical knowledge of the basic structure of the world

The arguments to show God exists are just as silly as those made up ones you posted:

(2) God exists
(a) Because only a being as perfect as God could cause an idea of perfection, thus God can't be a deciever because he is perfect, thus our perceptions are what they seem to be.

How much evidence is there for the existance of Mohammed (sp?) actually?
I saw his toenails in Istanbul.

While it's obvious that it's only a really pitiful attempt at ridiculing atheism wasting much more place than it should, I like the following:

ARGUMENT FROM BLINDNESS (I)
Christians are blind to reason, intelligence and logic.
Therefore, God doesn’t exist.
Quoted for truth! :p :D

Why should Athiests be the only ones allowed a sense of humour?

Because none of that shit was even remotely funny, and all you did was copy paste an enormously long list of boring shit that no one bothered to read, and actually probably even annoyed a few people at the time it takes to just scroll past it. And not only did you do this once, you did it fucking twice! What the hell?

Nonfactor']Aristotle was a philosopher who did use proofs to show that God doesn't exist, but not in the context you are making fun of him, most likely you should be refering to Descartes, Locke, Berkely, or Hume; they use arguments like that, Aristotle argues in a very different matter.

Nonsense: Aristotle's Prime Mover (ie. God-figure) was at the vital heart of his cosmological system. If you believe that Aristotle attempted to disprove the existence of the divine, then you are very much mistaken. Further to this, if you believe he was attempting to disprove the existence of the Christian God, then your chronology of world history is severely up the left.

[QUOTE=Sarkhaan]We have the ability, we just don't.

Read Fass' signature. Something along these lines:
I contend that we are both atheists, I simply believe in one fewer god than you. When you understand why you reject every other proposed god, then you will understand why I reject yours.

//Ignoring the life expectancy thing

That quote, of any argument I have seen by a theist or atheist, is the most sound of them all. I found the list to be somewhat entertaining (if you didn't read the whole bloody thing anyways), since some of the arguments fall not that far from the truth. But the remaining 275 or so really didn't work as arguments. Someone before made the point of reworking a few of the arguments to make them funny, and funny they were. If you were attempting to discover if atheists can be made fun of, well, there's your answer.

That quote, of any argument I have seen by a theist or atheist, is the most sound of them all. I found the list to be somewhat entertaining (if you didn't read the whole bloody thing anyways), since some of the arguments fall not that far from the truth. But the remaining 275 or so really didn't work as arguments. Someone before made the point of reworking a few of the arguments to make them funny, and funny they were. If you were attempting to discover if atheists can be made fun of, well, there's your answer.
Of course you can make fun of atheists...actually I've found that as a whole, they are more willing to laugh. I was more irritated that these really wern't funny, were pretty much a copycat, and I had to scroll through 300 of them. Perhaps some were funny, but I'm not gonna take the time to bother when the post right after is that it is someone purposely trying to ridicule. That is just obnoxious and sophomoric.

Now, if someone posts something actually funny (funny usually implies some level of truth, but presented in a different manner) then I'll be the first to laugh at myself. I'm not nessicarily asking them to be good arguments, I just ask that I may atleast grin or snicker once out of the 300 items posted. (Note that this isn't directed at you, I was just using your post as a jumping off point)