NationStates Jolt Archive


Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi captured! Then released!

The State of It
16-12-2005, 11:18
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/12/15/zarqawi.captured/index.html

Sorry I could'nt find a link with more info, but it's something I've only started hearing about in the last few minutes.

Apparently, he was captured by Iraqi Security Forces last year, but released because nobody knew who he was, allegedly.

Maybe he's in a prison in Iraq now, having been captured again and nobody knows who he is.

The one that got away.

I find it quite surprising. Why? Alot of the security forces have been infiltrated by Shia Militias, and Al-Zarqawi's group targets Shias in bombings, they want him dead....how could they not recognise him?

Perhaps, the security forces have been infiltrated by Al-Zarqawi followers as well, and ordered him to be set free on the basis they could vouch for him not being an insurgent, while not saying who he really was.

Many questions, this may be just a rumour.
Bretton
16-12-2005, 11:27
Iraq is trying, but they still haven't quite got their stuff together. Give it a while longer, either we or they will get him sooner or later.
The State of It
16-12-2005, 11:36
Iraq is trying, but they still haven't quite got their stuff together. Give it a while longer, either we or they will get him sooner or later.

They already got him sooner. He was let go again.

Who is to say it won't happen again?
Bretton
16-12-2005, 11:45
Who's to say it will?
The State of It
16-12-2005, 11:52
Who's to say it will?

Who's to say it won't?
Bretton
16-12-2005, 12:36
This could go on for quite a while.

I'd prefer to give the Iraqis the benefit of the doubt. While it would be nice, we can't simply make a new nation in 2 years. We've encountered all kinds of unforseeable circumstances, and even still, Iraq is proceeding at an exceptional rate as far as building a nation from the ground up goes.

With that in mind, it is extrordinarily unfortunate, but understandable, that the Iraqis would fumble something as important as this.

It would be erroneous, however, to assume that the Iraq of yesterday is the same as the Iraq of today, and will be the same as the Iraq of tomorrow. While the possibility of regression is possible, logically speaking, Iraq will improve, and if they nab him again, I doubt they'll let another opportunity pass them by.
The State of It
16-12-2005, 13:33
This could go on for quite a while.

Iraq is proceeding at an exceptional rate as far as building a nation from the ground up goes.

Tell that to the Iraqis still without electricity and clean water nearly three years on from the invasion.

The only reason the nation is being built up from the ground is because the infrastructure was destroyed.

But this is getting off-topic.
Psychotic Mongooses
16-12-2005, 13:43
snip.

There are 3 major nations in Iraq. Forging one state (assuming thats what you meant) out of them can only be successfully done via one method... ruthlessly crushing all opposition a la Saddam. He kept order, stability and kept religious fundamentalism under his boot. Now he is gone, its spills out on a national scale (this would have happened regardless of who took him out- US/UK or UN or NATO whatever)

Iraq will never be the same, they'll naturally want to rule themselves, but thats not so easy when you've got to look after the other 'nations'. Solution: Form your own country. Kurdistan, Islamic Republic (South),and some Sunni dustbowl.
The State of It
16-12-2005, 14:42
There are 3 major nations in Iraq. Forging one state (assuming thats what you meant) out of them can only be successfully done via one method... ruthlessly crushing all opposition a la Saddam. He kept order, stability and kept religious fundamentalism under his boot. Now he is gone, its spills out on a national scale (this would have happened regardless of who took him out- US/UK or UN or NATO whatever)

Iraq will never be the same, they'll naturally want to rule themselves, but thats not so easy when you've got to look after the other 'nations'. Solution: Form your own country. Kurdistan, Islamic Republic (South),and some Sunni dustbowl.


There was not an Iraq before the British invaded after the collapse of The Ottoman Empire.

There was Basra, which was the South.

Baghdad, which was the middle section,

and Kurdistan, which I think was not called Kurdistan, but called Mosul.

Finally, Kuwait was part of Basra.

Basra, Baghdad and Mosul were forged to make Iraq to make the people more easier to handle for the British rulers, installing a monarchy and etc.

Kuwait was made independent from the three, now Iraq.

So in effect, in the space of 80 years, the area has come full circle, but now the invaders and the various communities in Iraq may consider breaking up Iraq instead of forming it, the opposite to last time.