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Caught on Tape: Bush Admits WMD Were Irrelevant
On day that the United States invaded Iraq, President Bush said that we were doing so “reluctantly” but that “our purpose was clear” — to get rid of Saddam’s “weapons of mass murder.” (Note: Bush did not say “purposes.” According to Bush, there was only one purpose.)

Yesterday on Brit Hume, he said he would have invaded even if he knew there were no weapons of mass destruction.

http://streaming.americanprogress.org/ThinkProgress/2005/invasion.320.240.mov.htm

didn't play correctly :(

I think he forgot what his last lie was.

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http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/15/wmd-irrelevant/

Full Transcript:

12/14/05:

BUSH: I said I made the right decision. Knowing what I know today, I would have still made that decision.

HUME: So, if you had had this — if the weapons had been out of the equation because the intelligence did not conclude that he had them, it was still the right call?

BUSH: Absolutely.

3/19/03:

Our nation enters this conflict reluctantly — yet, our purpose is sure. The people of the United States and our friends and allies will not live at the mercy of an outlaw regime that threatens the peace with weapons of mass murder.

What is it about Republicans and audio equipment? :confused:

Like oil and water, they just don't mix.

Bush often answers comments in strange ways that don't mean what he means.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushism

Don't get too happy yet. :p

This is an odd concept.
The premise for going to war was to rid the world of a regime that has WMD's and was presenting a clear danger to the US and world security (I'm paraphrasing.)
Now, we have found that this intelligence was incorrect, and that this regime did not have those WMD's, which destroys the premise for war.
And Bush says that the decision would not have been any different had he known that these WMD's did not exist...
So the war was justified even though the threat was not real, and if he had known this in 2003, he would have gone ahead with it anyway?

It's a great thing to ponder on for the next 11 months while I AM STUCK IN IRAQ!!!!

It could be he's just given up, and he's made enough money to not give a f*cking crap anymore what ANYBODY thinks, we're already cinched in too tight in the noose of the goddamned neocorps.
It could be all the evidence pointing out that it was B.S. in the first place.
He doesn't qualify himself as a leader, he proclaims himself to be, along with that bullsh*t "mandate".

I just think Bush will turn america into a DICTATORSHIP, because he ignores everybodys opinions exept the little guy in his own head!

"We have taken Iraq. Now let se...hmmmm Iran is bad, CRUSH them!"

I find it highly ammusing that people are critisizing GWB for invading Iraq - was not Suddam Hussien a massive human rights violater, who refused UN weapons inspectors to enter his province? Saddam's oppresive dictatorship regime has been decimated by the action taken by one president to free the nation.
After the massive turnout to the elections this week (yes, it was massive, the polls had to be re-opened and hours extended due to the huge demand) I think it is safe to say that the Iraqi people are content with their changes developing in their country. Yes, GWB did the right thing in invading Iraq, and bringing democracy and freedom to a country.

I find it highly ammusing that people are critisizing GWB for invading Iraq - was not Suddam Hussien a massive human rights violater, who refused UN weapons inspectors to enter his province? Saddam's oppresive dictatorship regime has been decimated by the action taken by one president to free the nation.
After the massive turnout to the elections this week (yes, it was massive, the polls had to be re-opened and hours extended due to the huge demand) I think it is safe to say that the Iraqi people are content with their changes developing in their country. Yes, GWB did the right thing in invading Iraq, and bringing democracy and freedom to a country.
You mean bringing instability to a country that, when the civil war was kept in check, is now not being kept in check.
You mean an excellent place in the mideast not only to tap the oil for corporation.corp but a place to permanently insinuate american interests between a couple of other potential destabilization targets in the network.
Look harder to the rule being chosen for the people, especially what they vote on, and discern the difference betwen that and sharia.
And, when you bother, punch up the Butler Report, the Duelfer Report, the BND report, and any number of the Downing Street Memos, and then get back to us on why Bush did what he did.

You mean bringing instability to a country that, when the civil war was kept in check, is now not being kept in check.


"I went to Iraq before the war, it was a happy land of rainbows and peaceful villages with little children dancing and playing wearing little gumdrop smiles"


You mean an excellent place in the mideast not only to tap the oil for corporation.corp but a place to permanently insinuate american interests between a couple of other potential destabilization targets in the network.

"You see, the way it works is, the corporations back the military, and then the military goes off and invades a country... and then the corporate CEO's... they sit in their corporatey corporation buildings... and they're all corporatey... and they make money...you see?"


(I'm sorry, I couldnt help myself, I watched Team America again the other night... I believe Bush should go as much as the next person, but Iraq was bad before America got there too, and its not all an evil conspiracy.)

There were plenty of easier countries we could have saved that have ALOT more human rights violations that we never went to because they're not worth anything. Hell, the government doesn't help all of the genocides going on in Africa. They even made it illegal for mercenaries to step in and help. :rolleyes:

I find it highly ammusing that people are critisizing GWB for invading Iraq - was not Suddam Hussien a massive human rights violater, who refused UN weapons inspectors to enter his province? Saddam's oppresive dictatorship regime has been decimated by the action taken by one president to free the nation.
After the massive turnout to the elections this week (yes, it was massive, the polls had to be re-opened and hours extended due to the huge demand) I think it is safe to say that the Iraqi people are content with their changes developing in their country. Yes, GWB did the right thing in invading Iraq, and bringing democracy and freedom to a country.

Yes, Sadam was a cruel dictator, but he didn't refused the UN inspectors to enter in Irak. He knew it was the only chance to stop the war, to be a "good boy" for the world. Of course, as he didn't have no WMD, he had nothing to fear from them. And Blix and al-Baradei made a great effort not to provide a excuse to Bush to begin his war. But it was already decided.
Anyway, although it was a dictator, why USA doesn't destroy all the dictatorships all around the world like Egypt or North Korea? Ant even more, why they do nothing against Israel, another massive humasn right violator?
Let me tell you why? 'Cause some are too strong (NK)and some are very good allies (Egypt, Israel). Interest is the guide of Bush foreign policy, not ideals

I just think Bush will turn america into a DICTATORSHIP, because he ignores everybodys opinions exept the little guy in his own head!

"We have taken Iraq. Now let se...hmmmm Iran is bad, CRUSH them!"


I'll remind you that the 'little guy in his own head' is the voice of the LORD.

praise him, oh yes, praise him

I'll remind you that the 'little guy in his own head' is the voice of the LORD.

praise him, oh yes, praise him

*gets on his knees and starts pleasing Jesus*

*gets on his knees and starts pleasing Jesus*

I just had the mental image of Jesus receiving his first ever blowjob :p

I just had the mental image of Jesus receiving his first ever blowjob :p

Silence - I am enjoying the feel of his salvation all over my face.

(joke shamelessly stolen from Southpark)

Bush doesn't know what he is talking about. Although we have to cut him a break, I mean telling all those lies, he has to get caught in his web at least once.

Bush doesn't know what he is talking about. Although we have to cut him a break, I mean telling all those lies, he has to get caught in his web at least once.

Hush you. A good politician never gets caught in his own lies.

I just had the mental image of Jesus receiving his first ever blowjob :p

I bet he got a lot of them. He spent a lot of time with a prostitute. :)

Just think, if Blix had of acknowledged publically,officially, obviously.. the ramifications of his reports.. and said..

"Look, we KNOW there's nothing there..it's not a matter of trying to disprove the US' undiscolsed evidence, it's a matter of proving Hussein HAS something and intends to use it..

Yes, there are 'stockpiles' missing.. try finding out from the US Military how much crap it's 'lost' in the last 25 years

People call Saddams regime evil.. bs.. let's move the goalposts a little here and consider how many people have been forced to work in sweatshops due to the meditated actions of US corporations over the last 25 years, lets consider how many international treaties, trade agreements, UN resolutions the US has violated over the last 25 years, let us consider how many of their own and other nation's citizens have been executed by US Government forces over the last 25 years, let us consider that the US has never officially swayed from a policy of preemptive deployment of WMD. That the US was the primary protagonist of the MAD philosophy. That the US has made more individual fatal attacks on civilian targets than any other nation in the last 100 years. Including WW's. Consider that when evil is done by an american - he's an individual.. that when evil is done by a foreigner he's a puppet of an evil regime. That every other occidental nation, save perhaps Russia and Israel.. has recognised that terrorising people perpetuates terrorism. Consider that the US is the only nation to not only wipe out premeditatively wipe out entire cities when offered other options.. but to do so without remorse. Consider that if you want the positive achievements of the US to be acknowledged and respected unreservedly - that the negative must not only be acknowledged, but changed ffs.

Consider that, if politicians are not held accountable for their actions by their voting public - they will increasingly not hold themselves responsible. Apathy breeds corruption. Standards, blahdeblahdeblah...

I think he forgot what his last lie was.

...it's not a lie if you simply didn't know...

http://streaming.americanprogress.org/ThinkProgress/2005/invasion.320.240.mov.htm

replying to "..he said he would have invaded even [without WMD]..."

...as it would have been right to do for any freedom-loving country. Saddam had to go. I swear, it seems like some of you wish he was still in power.

Guess what -- If the coalition hadn't taken him down, he'd still be in power. You think the UN would have done anything? ROFLMAO.

replying to "..he said he would have invaded even [without WMD]..."

...as it would have been right to do for any freedom-loving country. Saddam had to go. I swear, it seems like some of you wish he was still in power.

Guess what -- If the coalition hadn't taken him down, he'd still be in power. You think the UN would have done anything? ROFLMAO.
And not only does it go out of bounds but it hits an old woman holding a soda in the forehead.

Just think, if Blix had of acknowledged publically,officially, obviously.. the ramifications of his reports.. and said..

"Look, we KNOW there's nothing there..it's not a matter of trying to disprove the US' undiscolsed evidence, it's a matter of proving Hussein HAS something and intends to use it..

Yes, there are 'stockpiles' missing.. try finding out from the US Military how much crap it's 'lost' in the last 25 years

People call Saddams regime evil.. bs.. let's move the goalposts a little here and consider how many people have been forced to work in sweatshops due to the meditated actions of US corporations over the last 25 years, lets consider how many international treaties, trade agreements, UN resolutions the US has violated over the last 25 years, let us consider how many of their own and other nation's citizens have been executed by US Government forces over the last 25 years, let us consider that the US has never officially swayed from a policy of preemptive deployment of WMD. That the US was the primary protagonist of the MAD philosophy. That the US has made more individual fatal attacks on civilian targets than any other nation in the last 100 years. Including WW's. Consider that when evil is done by an american - he's an individual.. that when evil is done by a foreigner he's a puppet of an evil regime. That every other occidental nation, save perhaps Russia and Israel.. has recognised that terrorising people perpetuates terrorism. Consider that the US is the only nation to not only wipe out premeditatively wipe out entire cities when offered other options.. but to do so without remorse. Consider that if you want the positive achievements of the US to be acknowledged and respected unreservedly - that the negative must not only be acknowledged, but changed ffs.

Consider that, if politicians are not held accountable for their actions by their voting public - they will increasingly not hold themselves responsible. Apathy breeds corruption. Standards, blahdeblahdeblah...

so far off-base, i nearly threw up

1)US corporations provide jobs for people in poor countries. If these corporations weren't there, i wonder where these folks would find employment. If I were running a global company and I were employing foreigners (I wouldn't, but hey), I would pay them a good wage. But at least they have jobs.

2)Why was Saddam's regime evil? Hmmm, let's see here.
He had thousands of people tortured and/or killed. These were not acts of war, these were brutal assassinations against people he didn't like because they were Shi'a or Kurd instead of his beloved Sunni. He GASSED Kurdish women and children with intent. This wasn't a case of a bomb accidentally missing its target. Intent is the key word. He thumbed his nose at the UN for years. He never ran in an election he had any chance of losing -- the people had to vote for him. If they didn't vote for him, they were probably murdered or at least followed by his minions.

Stalin was a terrible person. Saddam was the Stalin of Iraq.

But if you like, I'll talk to the Iraqi judge and see if I can arrange a date for you and Saddam.

And not only does it go out of bounds but it hits an old woman holding a soda in the forehead.

what?

OH My God..............
This forum is more full of frothing at the mouth anti-Bush spinners than any I think I've ever come across. This place makes the DNC look like a bunch of neo-cons.

Now don't get me wrong, I think Bush has screwed up on quite a few occasions, but there are people on here saying Iraq was a better place under Saddam? WTF?

Do you all realize that Saddam fed people feet first into plastic shredders? Do you realize that he strapped grenades to people who were handcuffed, pulled the pin, and threw them into a hole in the ground?

Do you realize his sons would torture the Olympic athletes and soccer players if they didn't win?

OK, so we haven't found any WMD's yet. Maybe we never will. Bitch about that all you want. We haven't gone into Africa to stop the genocides, so bitch up a storm, I'm with you on that.

But when you act like a rabid dog trying to bite the faces off small children, you alienate yourself from anyone who would care to align themselves with you.

Iraq is better off now. That's a fact. Deal with it. Just because you hate Bush, that doesn't give you carte blanche to lie about everything he supports or says. JEEZ!

Iraq is better off now. That's a fact. Deal with it. Just because you hate Bush, that doesn't give you carte blanche to lie about everything he supports or says. JEEZ!
It's hard to lie about things he says in public.. on recorded media.

It's hard to lie about things he says in public.. on recorded media.
I'm talking about people saying that we invaded Iraq SOLELY because of the WMD's. Did you see his speech to the U.N. before the invasion? I did. WMD's were the main reason, but not the ONLY reason. He also mentions the fact that Saddam was shooting at our planes, and killing innocent civilians, and that he was barring U.N. weapons inspectors from certain buildings and areas.

Everything I've just said is fact, yet people still say " No WMD's, no justification for the war." WRONG!

If people don't like the war, at least have the intestinal fortitude to name the real reasons instead of just making shit up.

He also mentions the fact that Saddam was shooting at our planes,
Did anyone else conjure up an image of Saddam outside with an AK firing randomly into the sky?

Did anyone else conjure up an image of Saddam outside with an AK firing randomly into the sky?
Sorry to get off topic here, but now that you mention it, do you think anyone in the Middle East has ever of "What goes up, must come down?" I've seen countless videos of Middle Easterners firing guns into the air, whether in anger, or celebration.

I can't fathom how a bunch of freaking adults could be so stupid as to fire thousands of rounds of gunfire into the air, and just NOT CARE where the bullets are gonna land. I mean, WHAT THE HELL could they be thinking?

I think our next task in the Middle East should be mandatory fire arms safety courses.

Yes, GWB did the right thing in invading Iraq, and bringing democracy and freedom to a country.

You're right. However, his close relations with other dictatorships makes you think he didn't do for completely benevolent reasons.

I'm talking about people saying that we invaded Iraq SOLELY because of the WMD's. Did you see his speech to the U.N. before the invasion? I did. WMD's were the main reason, but not the ONLY reason. He also mentions the fact that Saddam was shooting at our planes, and killing innocent civilians, and that he was barring U.N. weapons inspectors from certain buildings and areas.

WMD and links to Al-Quieda was the primary reason American and British people supported the war. Not it turns out neither exists. Can you blame people for being a little pissed?

Stalin was a terrible person. Saddam was the Stalin of Iraq.


Yeah, and remember when we invaded the USSR and overthrew it's government with one of our own liking because of how evil Stalin was? Oh wait.

You mean bringing instability to a country that, when the civil war was kept in check, is now not being kept in check.
You mean an excellent place in the mideast not only to tap the oil for corporation.corp but a place to permanently insinuate american interests between a couple of other potential destabilization targets in the network.
Look harder to the rule being chosen for the people, especially what they vote on, and discern the difference betwen that and sharia.
And, when you bother, punch up the Butler Report, the Duelfer Report, the BND report, and any number of the Downing Street Memos, and then get back to us on why Bush did what he did.

coudln't have said it any better myself.