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I have a list:

1. They must be honest. I honestly don't care if they can't tell the whole truth, just as long as they tell as much of the truth as they can on a consistent basis.

2. I want them to be their own person, not "owned" by some special interest group.

3. I want them to understand, remember and put into practice the ideals embodied in the Constitution and Declaration of Independence, both at home and abroad.

4. They must understand both diplomacy and force, and when it's appropriate to use which.

5. They must understand people and be able to manage them, including knowing when someone is misleading them or has some hidden agenda.

6. They must have a healthy skepticism about what government can do, and be willing to back off when it's obvious government has no place in a particular issue or task.

7. They should have spent a sizeable proportion of their life working in some field other than politics or law, but understand politics sufficiently well to get things done and watch their back at the same time.

8. They should be financially secure enough that they aren't tempted by offers of the wealthy, but have come from a family of relatively modest means ... so that they can understand when we say, "but I can't afford that!"

9. They should be a veteran of the armed forces, so that they can understand what military personnel go through, what can legitimately be expected of them, and what they should never be asked to do.

10. They must be of strong will and character and have a strong sense of who they are, including sufficient humility to understand that the President is a servant, not a master.

Your additions, questions, comments? :)

So you're never going to vote for anyone then?

So you're never going to vote for anyone then?
ROFL!! I KNEW someone would say that! Now all I need is the dweeb who's going to say, "And you voted for Bush?!?!?!" :D

That's the perfect description of me. I'm flattered. :)

ROFL!! I KNEW someone would say that! Now all I need is the dweeb who's going to say, "And you voted for Bush?!?!?!" :D

"And you voted for Bush?!?!?!"

J/k, Gramps! :D

I have a list:

1. They must be honest. I honestly don't care if they can't tell the whole truth, just as long as they tell as much of the truth as they can on a consistent basis.

2. I want them to be their own person, not "owned" by some special interest group.

3. I want them to understand, remember and put into practice the ideals embodied in the Constitution and Declaration of Independence, both at home and abroad.

4. They must understand both diplomacy and force, and when it's appropriate to use which.

5. They must understand people and be able to manage them, including knowing when someone is misleading them or has some hidden agenda.

6. They must have a healthy skepticism about what government can do, and be willing to back off when it's obvious government has no place in a particular issue or task.

7. They should have spent a sizeable proportion of their life working in some field other than politics or law, but understand politics sufficiently well to get things done and watch their back at the same time.

8. They should be financially secure enough that they aren't tempted by offers of the wealthy, but have come from a family of relatively modest means ... so that they can understand when we say, "but I can't afford that!"

9. They should be a veteran of the armed forces, so that they can understand what military personnel go through, what can legitimately be expected of them, and what they should never be asked to do.

10. They must be of strong will and character and have a strong sense of who they are, including sufficient humility to understand that the President is a servant, not a master.

Your additions, questions, comments? :)

I can agree with all of these conditions. Sadly, no one person I know of has the ability to be "The perfect President". Many people have done a good job in that office, like Reagan, but nobody is as honorable, truthful and wise as we all would like.

~ Romandeos.

That's the perfect description of me. I'm flattered. :)
If I were you, I would be too! :D

Gramps! :D
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I can agree with all of these conditions. Sadly, no one person I know of has the ability to be "The perfect President". Many people have done a good job in that office, like Reagan, but nobody is as honorable, truthful and wise as we all would like.

~ Romandeos.
Unfortunately, I suspect you may be correct. Sigh.

It seems as if someone is strong-willed enough to make it to the Presidency without being owned by anyone, they have little or no humility. Yet if they're not strong-willed and by some miracle of politics aren't owned by someone, the strong people around them will "manage" them. SIGH! :(

If I were you, I would be too! :D
I intend to run for president as soon as I'm out of prison.

I intend to run for president as soon as I'm out of prison.
WTF, I'll vote for ya! You couldn't possibly be any worse than some who have filled the office. :D

I have been told by many that I have enough wisdom, intelligence, wit, strength of personality, and a hard enough head ( ;) )to run for the Presidency, but it just so happens I am not old enough by law to try for that office, so I must wait.

~ Romandeos.

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Damn, too bad there is no "running away screaming like a little girl" smilie! :p

WTF, I'll vote for ya! You couldn't possibly be any worse than some who have filled the office. :D

Bill Clinton comes to mind as I read this, as does Jimmy Carter...LB Johnson...

~ Romandeos.

I have been told by many that I have enough wisdom, intelligence, wit, strength of personality, and a hard enough head ( ;) )to run for the Presidency, but it just so happens I am not old enough by law to try for that office, so I must wait.

~ Romandeos.
As must the rest of us! DAMN! :D

Damn, too bad there is no "running away screaming like a little girl" smilie! :p
Hmmm. Now where have I seen that reply before? [ ponders ] ;)

I say Howard, you say Dean! Ready?

Howard!

Dean!

Howard!

Dean!

Howard!

Dean!

YAAA!

Bill Clinton comes to mind as I read this, as does Jimmy Carter...LB Johnson...

~ Romandeos.
Hmmm. Not a great fan of Democrats, are we? Tsk! :p

I say Howard, you say Dean! Ready?

Howard!

Dean!

Howard!

Dean!

Howard!

Dean!

YAAA!
As IF! Wadda loon! GROAN!

Hmmm. Not a great fan of Democrats, are we? Tsk! :p

I am a proud member of the United States Republican Party, thank you. I don't have a hatred in my heart and mind for all Democrats, but as of late, they have not impressed me, to say the least.

~ Romandeos.

I am a proud member of the United States Republican Party, thank you. I don't have a hatred in my heart and mind for all Democrats, but as of late, they have not impressed me, to say the least.

~ Romandeos.

And the Republicans have???

I am a proud member of the United States Republican Party, thank you. I don't have a hatred in my heart and mind for all Democrats, but as of late, they have not impressed me, to say the least.

~ Romandeos.
I could say the same thing for most Republicans. What disturbs me is the lack of people like I described in the first post throughout the political spectrum. :(

I am a proud member of the United States Republican Party, thank you. I don't have a hatred in my heart and mind for all Democrats, but as of late, they have not impressed me, to say the least.

~ Romandeos.

Well, it's only of late that they've actually started acting like an opposition party. That might explain the dislike.

Republicans have impressed me a lot more than the Democrats, for a number of reasons.

~ Romandeos.

really i belive that the best person in the world
for the presidency is my AFJROTC ASI he is one
of the most educated men i know he is also trusworthy
honest has common sence and has a basic knowledge of
just about everything he also knows where and how
to find out about anything.

I have a list:

1. They must be honest. I honestly don't care if they can't tell the whole truth, just as long as they tell as much of the truth as they can on a consistent basis.

2. I want them to be their own person, not "owned" by some special interest group.

3. I want them to understand, remember and put into practice the ideals embodied in the Constitution and Declaration of Independence, both at home and abroad.

4. They must understand both diplomacy and force, and when it's appropriate to use which.

5. They must understand people and be able to manage them, including knowing when someone is misleading them or has some hidden agenda.

6. They must have a healthy skepticism about what government can do, and be willing to back off when it's obvious government has no place in a particular issue or task.

7. They should have spent a sizeable proportion of their life working in some field other than politics or law, but understand politics sufficiently well to get things done and watch their back at the same time.

8. They should be financially secure enough that they aren't tempted by offers of the wealthy, but have come from a family of relatively modest means ... so that they can understand when we say, "but I can't afford that!"

9. They should be a veteran of the armed forces, so that they can understand what military personnel go through, what can legitimately be expected of them, and what they should never be asked to do.

10. They must be of strong will and character and have a strong sense of who they are, including sufficient humility to understand that the President is a servant, not a master.

Your additions, questions, comments? :)


I think John McCain fits the bill on all points.

I have a list:

1. They must be honest. I honestly don't care if they can't tell the whole truth, just as long as they tell as much of the truth as they can on a consistent basis.

2. I want them to be their own person, not "owned" by some special interest group.

3. I want them to understand, remember and put into practice the ideals embodied in the Constitution and Declaration of Independence, both at home and abroad.

4. They must understand both diplomacy and force, and when it's appropriate to use which.

5. They must understand people and be able to manage them, including knowing when someone is misleading them or has some hidden agenda.

6. They must have a healthy skepticism about what government can do, and be willing to back off when it's obvious government has no place in a particular issue or task.

7. They should have spent a sizeable proportion of their life working in some field other than politics or law, but understand politics sufficiently well to get things done and watch their back at the same time.

8. They should be financially secure enough that they aren't tempted by offers of the wealthy, but have come from a family of relatively modest means ... so that they can understand when we say, "but I can't afford that!"

9. They should be a veteran of the armed forces, so that they can understand what military personnel go through, what can legitimately be expected of them, and what they should never be asked to do.

10. They must be of strong will and character and have a strong sense of who they are, including sufficient humility to understand that the President is a servant, not a master.

Your additions, questions, comments? :)


Sorry, I cant run until 2028 ;) ;)

I think John McCain fits the bill on all points.
I would certainly like to think so. I rather like him, and not just because he's a veteran. :p

Sorry, I cant run until 2028 ;) ;)
Oh, GROAN! I knew someone would say that too. Sorry, but do I know you? :D

really i belive that the best person in the world
for the presidency is my AFJROTC ASI he is one
of the most educated men i know he is also trusworthy
honest has common sence and has a basic knowledge of
just about everything he also knows where and how
to find out about anything.
And how do I know that you're a good judge of character? Huh? Huh? Huh? :)

10. They must be of strong will and character and have a strong sense of who they are, including sufficient humility to understand that the President is a servant, not a master.
i was thinking this must be possible someday, then i saw this one at the bottom of the list and all hope flew out the window

Oh, GROAN! I knew someone would say that too. Sorry, but do I know you? :D

I doubt it. I try to avoid southerners...
jk

I would like to see a lichen as President of the United States. That, or tree mould. Whichever will run for office.

don't forget about perrenial write in candidate Head of Lettuce!

I have a list:

1. They must be honest. I honestly don't care if they can't tell the whole truth, just as long as they tell as much of the truth as they can on a consistent basis.

2. I want them to be their own person, not "owned" by some special interest group.

3. I want them to understand, remember and put into practice the ideals embodied in the Constitution and Declaration of Independence, both at home and abroad.

4. They must understand both diplomacy and force, and when it's appropriate to use which.

5. They must understand people and be able to manage them, including knowing when someone is misleading them or has some hidden agenda.

6. They must have a healthy skepticism about what government can do, and be willing to back off when it's obvious government has no place in a particular issue or task.

7. They should have spent a sizeable proportion of their life working in some field other than politics or law, but understand politics sufficiently well to get things done and watch their back at the same time.

8. They should be financially secure enough that they aren't tempted by offers of the wealthy, but have come from a family of relatively modest means ... so that they can understand when we say, "but I can't afford that!"

9. They should be a veteran of the armed forces, so that they can understand what military personnel go through, what can legitimately be expected of them, and what they should never be asked to do.

10. They must be of strong will and character and have a strong sense of who they are, including sufficient humility to understand that the President is a servant, not a master.

Your additions, questions, comments? :)


Are you familiar with Dr. Ron Paul?

http://www.house.gov/paul/bio.shtml

To address your points:
I have met the man, and can attest to his integrity.

He has respect from both sides of the aisle for his honesty.

He is most assuredly his own person, often voting against his "official" party in what would otherwise

He's one of the few exceptiuond to the typical congress critters in that he uses the constitution as a voting guide.

He's an OB/GYN, and served as a USAF flight surgeon. But he has been in and out of politics enough (and has served 9 terms as a rep.) that he knows politics.

Read his "35 Questions that won't be answered about Iraq" (http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2002/cr091002.htm) and "Lessons from 9/11" (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Ron_Paul) and that should give you an idea his understanding of the use of force and diplomacy.

1. They must be honest. I honestly don't care if they can't tell the whole truth, just as long as they tell as much of the truth as they can on a consistent basis.

You might find one under a rock, but I can't think of any politician who doesn't treat the truth like a rubber band.


2. I want them to be their own person, not "owned" by some special interest group.

Given that elections are decided by who can get the most airtime, unless Bill Gates runs for president, not likely to happen anytime soon.

don't forget about perrenial write in candidate Head of Lettuce!

Inanimate carbon rod! In rod we trust!

I would love for Carla Howell to be president, but she refuses to run...and she would get creamed anyways since she's a Libertarian. I think I will end up voting for McCain if he gets the Republican nod.

Well our current president doesn't qualify for anything under your requirements...good job, Eutrusca! You did something right! :p

i was thinking this must be possible someday, then i saw this one at the bottom of the list and all hope flew out the window
Heh! Sorry about that! :D

I doubt it. I try to avoid southerners...
jk
Whew! Good. Had me worried there for a moment! :p

Are you familiar with Dr. Ron Paul?

http://www.house.gov/paul/bio.shtml
I had heard the name, but wasn't really familiar with him. He does sound like a straight-shooter.

Seventeen grandchildren??? OMG! Hell, all he needs to do is wait awhile and his own family will be able to elect him! :D

Well our current president doesn't qualify for anything under your requirements...good job, Eutrusca! You did something right! :p
Gee, I'm so ... underwhelmed. :rolleyes:

Whether he qualified for any of the ten items I listed or not is largely irrelevant. Rather than throw my vote away, I voted for the lesser of two "evils," something I have said repeatedly on here. Whether you choose to believe me or not is a matter of virtually total indifference to me. :)

I think I will end up voting for McCain if he gets the Republican nod.
Me too.

I can't think of any politician who doesn't treat the truth like a rubber band.
I can, but the fact that few of them are well-known is instructive, sad to say.

Are you familiar with Dr. Ron Paul?
My fave congressmen. Since I was too young then to vote when he ran on the presidential ticket for the LP, I wish he'd try again. I'd actually vote Republican! :eek:

Of course, it's not gonna happen. But I can dream.

Go Lichen Go!






Lichen in 2008!





Trust Lichen.





I'm likin' Lichen!

Go Lichen Go!

Lichen in 2008!

Trust Lichen.

I'm likin' Lichen!
That's no surprise. After all, you both have so much in common. :p

As John McCain's father was an Admiral, I hardly think he came from relatively modest means.(Unless you are including upper middle class in that).

I have a list:

1. They must be honest. I honestly don't care if they can't tell the whole truth, just as long as they tell as much of the truth as they can on a consistent basis.

2. I want them to be their own person, not "owned" by some special interest group.

3. I want them to understand, remember and put into practice the ideals embodied in the Constitution and Declaration of Independence, both at home and abroad.

4. They must understand both diplomacy and force, and when it's appropriate to use which.

5. They must understand people and be able to manage them, including knowing when someone is misleading them or has some hidden agenda.

6. They must have a healthy skepticism about what government can do, and be willing to back off when it's obvious government has no place in a particular issue or task.

7. They should have spent a sizeable proportion of their life working in some field other than politics or law, but understand politics sufficiently well to get things done and watch their back at the same time.

8. They should be financially secure enough that they aren't tempted by offers of the wealthy, but have come from a family of relatively modest means ... so that they can understand when we say, "but I can't afford that!"

9. They should be a veteran of the armed forces, so that they can understand what military personnel go through, what can legitimately be expected of them, and what they should never be asked to do.

10. They must be of strong will and character and have a strong sense of who they are, including sufficient humility to understand that the President is a servant, not a master.

Your additions, questions, comments? :)

So Jimmy Carter was your ideal President. Go figure.

Are you familiar with Dr. Ron Paul?

http://www.house.gov/paul/bio.shtml

To address your points:
I have met the man, and can attest to his integrity.

He has respect from both sides of the aisle for his honesty.

He is most assuredly his own person, often voting against his "official" party in what would otherwise

He's one of the few exceptiuond to the typical congress critters in that he uses the constitution as a voting guide.

He's an OB/GYN, and served as a USAF flight surgeon. But he has been in and out of politics enough (and has served 9 terms as a rep.) that he knows politics.

Read his "35 Questions that won't be answered about Iraq" (http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2002/cr091002.htm) and "Lessons from 9/11" (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Ron_Paul) and that should give you an idea his understanding of the use of force and diplomacy.

Let us see:

He is also something of a raving libertarian. Except when it comes to gays. He led the fight against gay marriage in the House.

He loves to seek pork for Texas and brags about it in his press releases.

He still thinks there are POWs in Korea and Vietnam.

HE has lots of other waky ideas.

HE has lots of other waky ideas.

I enjoy that in a world leader though. That's why Carter was a big failure for me. I mean face it the guy was dull. Look at some of his solutions to the energy crunch: "Turn the thermostat down a few degrees and wear a sweater. If we all do that we can save enough energy to end the crisis." WTF? That's no solution;
where are the space lasers? They solve everything.

Whacky beats nuclear engineer every time.

I have a list:

1. They must be honest. I honestly don't care if they can't tell the whole truth, just as long as they tell as much of the truth as they can on a consistent basis.

2. I want them to be their own person, not "owned" by some special interest group.

3. I want them to understand, remember and put into practice the ideals embodied in the Constitution and Declaration of Independence, both at home and abroad.

4. They must understand both diplomacy and force, and when it's appropriate to use which.

5. They must understand people and be able to manage them, including knowing when someone is misleading them or has some hidden agenda.

6. They must have a healthy skepticism about what government can do, and be willing to back off when it's obvious government has no place in a particular issue or task.

7. They should have spent a sizeable proportion of their life working in some field other than politics or law, but understand politics sufficiently well to get things done and watch their back at the same time.

8. They should be financially secure enough that they aren't tempted by offers of the wealthy, but have come from a family of relatively modest means ... so that they can understand when we say, "but I can't afford that!"

9. They should be a veteran of the armed forces, so that they can understand what military personnel go through, what can legitimately be expected of them, and what they should never be asked to do.

10. They must be of strong will and character and have a strong sense of who they are, including sufficient humility to understand that the President is a servant, not a master.

Your additions, questions, comments? :)

And that is a grand total of 8 people, all of whom are too smart to run for President and too poor to become president.

And that is a grand total of 8 people, all of whom are too smart to run for President and too poor to become president.
There are that many people who fit the conditions?!?!:p

Ready for this one? Richard Lugar. Unfortunately, he has too much integrity to even consider it.

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And that is a grand total of 8 people, all of whom are too smart to run for President and too poor to become president.There are that many people who fit the conditions?!?!:p
probably not

I'd like to see Newt Gingrich run.

See, I trust this guy, unlike a lot of the neo-conservative scumbags in the Bush camp. George Bush is one of the worst things that has happened to the Republican Party in recent history. The only reason why we Republicans continue to succeed in winning elections is because the Democrats seem intent on being even worse candidates.

Point and case: Joe Lieberman runs in '04, instead of John Kerry. Pretty much everyone except gamers can see Lieberman has legitimate points on most issues. It boggles the mind, really...

Gingrich would be a throwback to when the Republican Party had credibility, back in the good old days when we still had the Reaganaut spirit and were giving Clinton a headache every time he tried to do something.

Furthermore, he's actually campaigned on an anti-gun control policy, which George Bush, a so-called 'Republican,' has almost entirely ignored. My right to own firearms is one of my most important issues as far as voting is concerned, and Bushie has almost completely ignored that. Jerk. STOP MAKING DICK RICH AND START DOING CONSERVATIVE THINGS, LIKE GETTING THAT ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN IN CALIFORNIA OVERTURNED.

So Jimmy Carter was your ideal President. Go figure.



Thank you.

Carter was more moral and did a more honest job than any other President in the last 40 years.

There's no doubt that Carter was one of our most moralistic presidents. Unfortunately, you can't build a presidency on being a nice guy alone, I'm afraid.

There's no doubt that Carter was one of our most moralistic presidents. Unfortunately, you can't build a presidency on being a nice guy alone, I'm afraid.


Sadly, no.

His presidency was unfortunately marred by a hostage crisis, that was largely out of his control, poor resource management from earlier adminstrations, and
an unhelpful Republican controlled congress and senate.

The guy had his hands tied the moment he got into office, and it frustrates me when so many largely uneducated people give him such a bad rap.

I tend to believe his downfall as president was due to his unwillingness to play as dirty as his predecessors, or sucsessors.

Unfortunately, Tom Clancy's Jack Ryan is fictional. Otherwise, well, I think he hits all those.

Your additions, questions, comments? :)

How about their religious affiliation ? Should it reflect the majority of the country, must it correspond to your own, does it not matter at all or do you have a specific reasoning to favour one (for instance the old "anyone who believes in a happy and joyful afterlife should not be allowed to order soldiers to their deaths") ?