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This is about a bunch of BS if I ever heard it. What a bunch of poor losers over there.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/more/12/15/bc.cyc.armstrong.trial.ap/index.html?cnn=yes

Someone call the waaaaaaambulance.

What's the problem?

Well of course its baseless! I mean, come on, its not like doping has been prevalent in cycling at all. :rolleyes:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/more/12/15/bc.cyc.armstrong.trial.ap/index.html?cnn=yes
Poor sportsmanship is not confined to Little League baseball games and soccor moms. :rolleyes:

What's the problem?

You haven't heard? Lancey boy is American.

As such he is perfect. Any attack upon him, however well based in these new-fangled 'facts' them Europeans like so much is bullshit, and more than that, an attack on America. And nobody messes with America. So, therefore we can logically conclude the following - fuck Italy and France. Fuck em. USA! USA!

I would like to think that in the wake of retirement, Lance Armstrong would be able to enjoy his life, and amazing career. The only time he should be mentioned is in debates of who is the greatest of all time, this "witch hunt" needs to end. I just find it so shameful that people have to continue to attack others to achieve self gratification... :headbang:

Someone call the waaaaaaambulance.

seriously. the man came back from have 3 cancers at once...

So? Does that mean its ok to cheat? (if proven)

So? Does that mean its ok to cheat? (if proven)

Only if you're American and you win.

:p

This is about a bunch of BS if I ever heard it. What a bunch of poor losers over there.

This is not because Armstrong won. It is because he defamed someone. Big difference.

1. During the TdF, the cyclists are tested DAILY.
2. Lance was tested more often then any other cyclist because of baseless accusations against him.
3. Those accusations were baseless, because he passed every test.

Now, someone takes a "B" sample from several years ago (which should have been destroyed) that had a matching "A" sample which passed the drug screen at the time; then conducts an illegal and probably contaminated screen on it years after the fact, and it miraculously comes out positive for a drug he was legally on several years earlier during his cancer rehab.

Sorry, but I don't buy it. I smell a frenchie rat trying to discredit Lance Armstrong. Now you want to try him for telling one of his accusers to go to hell. So sorry he won your stupid bicycle race and broke your records. Leave the man alone, he's only got one testicle for crying out loud.

This is not because Armstrong won. It is because he defamed someone. Big difference.

ohh yes defamed. I'm sure if he was a nobody cyclist this would have been brought up. Hardly....

ohh yes defamed. I'm sure if he was a nobody cyclist this would have been brought up. Hardly....

It wouldn't have been as widely reported. But a friend of mine was sued for defamation. He certainly wasn't a famous cyclist.

I guess that's what happens when you embaress the French. What exactly is the definition of "defame" in French law anyways?

I guess that's what happens when you embaress the French. What exactly is the definition of "defame" in French law anyways?

Italy isn't in France.

You haven't heard? Lancey boy is American.

As such he is perfect. Any attack upon him, however well based in these new-fangled 'facts' them Europeans like so much is bullshit, and more than that, an attack on America. And nobody messes with America. So, therefore we can logically conclude the following - fuck Italy and France. Fuck em. USA! USA!


And you're just the opposite, it seems. Anything America does or is American is immediately demonized and corrupt. You're just as bad as the people you claim to attack.

You know the French public, and Europeans in general, do actually like and admire Armstrong. His triumph over his personal adversity, and then coming back to compete in the most grueling and arduous race earned him a place in most peoples hearts over here.

Drugs in sport, and the TdeF, are widespread. So what if the tests are slightly older? The BALCO thing should show you that sometimes, the tests aren't up to speed with the enchaners.

If the tests are neg. then nothing will happen. If they are positive, then he cheated. Stop leaping to his defence when few know all the facts.

What's the problem?You haven't heard? Lancey boy is American.:D this resumes accurately the next 200 posts and beyond

Italy isn't in France.
Oops. I didn't quite read it very thoroughly. I'm on Vicoden at the moment for an injury. It kinda makes it hard to read.

I reread it, and I understand it a bit better now. Frankly, I'll reserve judgment till after the trial.

I would like to think that in the wake of retirement, Lance Armstrong would be able to enjoy his life, and amazing career. The only time he should be mentioned is in debates of who is the greatest of all time, this "witch hunt" needs to end. I just find it so shameful that people have to continue to attack others to achieve self gratification... :headbang:


well you know..the french will fight to the last drop of english blood...lol...uncalled for, for sure...sorry....but get over it allready.

sounds to me like sour grapes...but didnt they go after him a billion times allready?

also,i think bike(pedal)racing is lame...

so i aint no homer rooting for lance..but it does get tiresome when when an american does anything notable..all of europe has to try and degrade it...whiny if you ask me.:mp5:

so i aint no homer rooting for lance...of course you are not [/sarcasm]

spare me.

so i aint no homer rooting for lance..but it does get tiresome when when an american does anything notable..all of europe has to try and degrade it...whiny if you ask me.:mp5:
Well, thanks for insulting me because of the place i was born in, bloody wanker.

How about waiting how that trial runs, before engaging automated defense mode?

How about waiting how that trial runs, before engaging automated defense mode?

Thats impossible. Its a genetic disposition to leap to the defence of any sporting icon.... sure if Europeans criticised the use of enhancers in baseball, there would be an outcry from the same sections of the Americans as it makes the sport better...
:p

So how many people didnt read the article and just assumed it was a french court charging him with doping? Try again when you've read the article guys and calmed your knee jerk reactions.

So how many people didnt read the article and just assumed it was a french court charging him with doping? Try again when you've read the article guys and calmed your knee jerk reactions.

Oh that doesn't matter at all. All Europeans are the same, there are no distinctions between French, Italian, British or German. Its a continental conspiracy to discredit Armstrong and by extension attempt to bring down the Americna Imperialist system.... what?... oh, sorry, wrong meeting. Thats tomorrow night down by the docks....

Thats impossible. Its a genetic disposition to leap to the defence of any sporting icon.... sure if Europeans criticised the use of enhancers in baseball, there would be an outcry from the same sections of the Americans as it makes the sport better...
:p
Its not an american trait, this stupidity runs through every race and nation. I stil remember how many people wouldnt believe that one famous german long-distance runner would ever do doping, even in the face of two positive Nandrolon tests. :rolleyes:

Its not an american trait, this stupidity runs through every race and nation. .. Lets give it a test shall we?

TdF: The top French, Italian, British, and other European Bycicle athletes.. they secretly take enhancing substances.

Lets count how many known European posters come with a knee-jerk reaction

Is what Lance did so remarkable that people can't accept that he may just be that good? There are athletes who totally own their fields.

And I read elsewhere that he has been tested numerous times, and has yet to fail a test.

Is what Lance did so remarkable that people can't accept that he may just be that good? There are athletes who totally own their fields.

And I read elsewhere that he has been tested numerous times, and has yet to fail a test.

*sigh*
Read the link will you? This is about him being sued for slander/libel by another racer.

Is what Lance did so remarkable that people can't accept that he may just be that good? There are athletes who totally own their fields.

And I read elsewhere that he has been tested numerous times, and has yet to fail a test.Anti-test technology is always one step ahead of the Testing Technology... If you can afford it.

One effective way tu curb cheating would be to legislate mandatory freezing of multiple Urine samples... and we retest frozen samples every 3 years... with the new technologies dicovered.

.but it does get tiresome when when an american does anything notable..all of europe has to try and degrade it...whiny if you ask me.:mp5:

Indeed. In fact we get a weekly newsletter from our parish church teling us which Americans have done something of note, and that we are therefore duty bound to hate.

Just thank your lucky stars that there was a postal strike in '69. The shit storm we would have raised from that wouldn't have ended until doomsday.

oh, sorry, wrong meeting. Thats tomorrow night down by the docks....

You are Bill Hicks, I claim my five pounds!


(Apologies to whoever I stole that from)

Indeed. In fact we get a weekly newsletter from our parish church teling us which Americans have done something of note, and that we are therefore duty bound to hate.

Just thank your lucky stars that there was a postal strike in '69. The shit storm we would have raised from that wouldn't have ended until doomsday.


I get an extra special version of those, as living in Bradford, we get both a Christian and a Muslim version...the Sikh version is also great to read. Needless to say the Buddhists don't have one :(

I get an extra special version of those, as living in Bradford, we get both a Christian and a Muslim version...the Sikh version is also great to read. Needless to say the Buddhists don't have one :(

Dammit. When will those Buddhists start pulling their weight! :mad:

Dammit. When will those Buddhists start pulling their weight! :mad:

The same time they start hating people and stop becoming Buddhists. If you ask me thats a cheap excuse.

The same time they start hating people and stop becoming Buddhists. If you ask me thats a cheap excuse.

But... but, who needs nirvana when you can hate America :confused:

But... but, who needs nirvana when you can hate America :confused:

"Come as you are
As you were
As I want you to be"

What, you thought it'd be Teen Spirit? That song sucked badly.

no no! you don't understand!
Armstrong is actually a a test-tube baby grown in goverment laboratory and raised to be an elite cyclist, but during the years of racing he developed a distaste for it and now he wants the goverment who made him what he is today to pay! but nooo .. it's not by drug testing y'see, he will be cleared of those charges and get to meet Mr. President! but then he will use his hand which is actually a hand-grenade and he will blow up the president and himself and it'll be ever so much fun and this will be the end of THE RACE!!

So? Does that mean its ok to cheat? (if proven)


Did ya read the story? The accusation is that he "defamed" another rider by calling him a liar and allegedly haranging him during a race.

An aside for all the Europeans out there: What disturbs me is that Armstrong is being tried in Italy for a crime that allegedly occurred in France. I'm not exactly up to date with the ins and outs of jurisdiction in the EU, but there is something that sounds instictively wrong about that. I mean, if Armstrong broke the law in France, shouldn't France have the right to prosecute him?Maybe someone from Europe can clear it up for me, is trying someone in a different country than the crime occurred in line with EU laws or is it out of the ordinary?

An aside for all the Europeans out there: What disturbs me is that Armstrong is being tried in Italy for a crime that allegedly occurred in France. I'm not exactly up to date with the ins and outs of jurisdiction in the EU, but there is something that sounds instictively wrong about that. I mean, if Armstrong broke the law in France, shouldn't France have the right to prosecute him?Maybe someone from Europe can clear it up for me, is trying someone in a different country than the crime occurred in line with EU laws or is it out of the ordinary?

I wondered about that too. Perhaps part of the Tour de France route runs through Italy?

Anti-test technology is always one step ahead of the Testing Technology... If you can afford it.

One effective way tu curb cheating would be to legislate mandatory freezing of multiple Urine samples... and we retest frozen samples every 3 years... with the new technologies dicovered.

Why? No, seriously, I had the same question when Senators were wasting tax dollars asking about baseball. What is the big deal about doping? If a sport wants to keep doping out, thats their right, but what is the purpose? Players still spend millions on specialized training routines, specialized diets, top of the line equipment, and now even elective surgery (although so far I haven't heard about that outside of baseball). The illusion of a fair victory, of "the best man winning" is pretty well shattered when you consider the technology that is used to shave seconds off a time or add distance to a strike. Granted, if an individual sport wants to ban them, that is the buisness of the league (or whoever the organizers are), but why do we care so much?

Now, I'm not really a cycling fan. The Tour de France has about as much significance for me as the Super Bowl does for a soccer fan, but we need to be clear about what drug Lance Armstrong might have tested positive for. It was erythropoietin, a drug used to boost red blood cell counts. It would be suspicious in anyone but an anemic. Armstrong was a cancer patient and ALL chemotherapy causes pretty serious anemia, which erythropoietin proscribed to treat. More to the point, when the samples were originally taken there was an accurate test for synthetic erythropoietin that was in use by virtually all anti-doping boards. There are some serious chain of custody problems with the accusation here that need to be addressed.

...but it does get tiresome when when an american does anything notable..all of europe has to try and degrade it...whiny if you ask me.:mp5:
The USA is the most powerful nation on Earth, which consistently wins the most medals at the Olympics etc without all their athletes being attacked, and yet when the courts of a foreign democratic nation have the audacity to suggest that one individual (who happens to be a US citizen) may have committed a misdemeanour, we get this whinging paranoia about attacks against Americans. It's pathetic.

And you're just the opposite, it seems. Anything America does or is American is immediately demonized and corrupt. You're just as bad as the people you claim to attack.

Because that's exactly what I said.

You are Bill Hicks, I claim my five pounds!


(Apologies to whoever I stole that from)

:p :D :D

:p :D :D

I love that guy. Shame he died young :( (He'd have a field day with the current administration.)

I went to the Austin Book Depository and they have it set up exactly as it was the day Kennedy was killed. And it is really accurate becaue - Oswald's not in it