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VICTORY! MENDOCINO COUNTY FIRST COUNTY IN NATION TO BAN THE GROWING OF GENETICALLY ALTERED CROPS AND ANIMALS



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The only reason there exist GMOs at all is for the simple matter
of pure corporate greed. Countries reject GMO grains a food aid.
There is no food shortage, only a food distribution problem.

Who knows what sort of bacteria are mutating to adapt to the
new forms of genetic material.

VICTORY! MENDOCINO COUNTY FIRST COUNTY IN NATION TO BAN THE GROWING OF GENETICALLY ALTERED CROPS AND ANIMALS

The only reason there exist GMOs at all is for the simple matter
of pure corporate greed. Countries reject GMO grains a food aid.
There is no food shortage, only a food distribution problem.

Who knows what sort of bacteria are mutating to adapt to the
new forms of genetic material.

I remember my modern studies teacher discussing this broad topic in class about... 10 years ago? (damn, I'm old...)

What I really remember is him saying that GM food has been around since the 50s.

Then, they just _randomly_ buffeted the crops with radiation until they happened to come across a mutation that increased yeild. I think it's possible to get too worked up about GM foods; although I don't agree that they're the answer to any current worldwide food problems, the research is useful and should certainly be continued - knowledge is never wasted, and all that :)

The only reason there exist GMOs at all is for the simple matter of pure corporate greed. Countries reject GMO grains a food aid.
There is no food shortage, only a food distribution problem.

Who knows what sort of bacteria are mutating to adapt to the
new forms of genetic material.
So when GMOs saved Hawaii's papaya industry it was all because of the greedy papaya corporations? GMOs have arisen because its a natural step in science. If you can alter things like genes to yield certain characteristics then of course any company that sells biological products will look into it. GMOs are pretty much the next level of farming tech much like farmers used different inventions and techniques such as selective breeding to better their yields/breeds.

Unfortunately (well, for you; fortunately for humanity as a whole) GMOs don't exist purely as a tool of corporate greed. Research beyond proof-of-concept trials has been motivated by the market, yes, but it's a real market that exists on its own rather than a made-up market created by advertising (see: junk food).

The single-crop seed? Yes, that's purely for corporate profit. But that's one abomination in a field of promising developments.

I don't see how drought- and salt-resistant crops, or crops with added nutritional value right off the stalk, are necessarily tools of corporate greed, as they fill the market niches better than conventional crops and, therefore, allow people who can make the investment to reap returns.

If I'm farming in a semiarid area, and my soil's somewhat salty because I was overly generous with irrigation, which would I want more - regular wheat, or wheat that can grow happily in poor soil? If I have a choice between regular rice and genetically enriched rice, wouldn't it be better for me to sell enriched rice? Either I charge more, and make more money; or I charge similar prices, and feed my customers better.

Are there issues beyond the human factors? Yes. Cross-pollination is a big one. So's any plant engineered to produce toxins or hormones. But it's a real leap to go from "There are certain problems we need to work on" to "Every tool in this box is a creation of greedy capitalists and should be abandoned for the good of mankind".

The only reason there exist GMOs at all is for the simple matter of pure corporate greed. Countries reject GMO grains a food aid. There is no food shortage, only a food distribution problem.

Who knows what sort of bacteria are mutating to adapt to the new forms of genetic material.
While I'm not exactly a fan of genetically engineered crops (like we haven't messed up the environment enough as it is), I have to say that your arguments above make very little sense.

VICTORY! MENDOCINO COUNTY FIRST COUNTY IN NATION TO BAN THE GROWING OF GENETICALLY ALTERED CROPS AND ANIMALS



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The only reason there exist GMOs at all is for the simple matter
of pure corporate greed. Countries reject GMO grains a food aid.
There is no food shortage, only a food distribution problem.

Who knows what sort of bacteria are mutating to adapt to the
new forms of genetic material.
So what are they going to do when GM corn pollen blows into their county and fertilizes their corn crops? Will they then arrest and prosecute the farmer for unknowingly harvesting GM corn?

Elgesh']I remember my modern studies teacher discussing this broad topic in class about... 10 years ago? (damn, I'm old...)

What I really remember is him saying that GM food has been around since the 50s.

Then, they just _randomly_ buffeted the crops with radiation until they happened to come across a mutation that increased yeild. I think it's possible to get too worked up about GM foods; although I don't agree that they're the answer to any current worldwide food problems, the research is useful and should certainly be continued - knowledge is never wasted, and all that :)
GM food has been around since Og the caveman decided to put some wild goats in a pen and breed the fattest ones together.

GM food has been around since Og the caveman decided to put some wild goats in a pen and breed the fattest ones together.

Pretty much. The panic over "frankenfoods" is a traditional, media-encouraged, myth.

GM food has been around since Og the caveman decided to put some wild goats in a pen and breed the fattest ones together.

We are taking it too far. (http://www.alternet.org/story/28576/)

I will have to admit, I am rather new to whole GMO stuff.

But to attempt to claim that GMOs are a simple extention
of the monks centuries ago splicing yellow and green bean plant stalks
and growing them together is just mad.
It's way beyond that.

A tomato and flounder would never grow together if you
cut the two and put their wounds together.

Mules are born because donkeys and horses are close enough.
Though they cannot reproduce because that's the way things are.


Plus the whole round-up ready soy bean seems to basically be about
control. The craporations want control of profits wherever they can get it.
With organic, the family farm, er, excuse me, the farm can exist free
of fascism. A factory (farm) is not a farm


democratize the economy,
it's what "they" don't want.

I found at least one site of do-gooders.
http://www.familyfarmdefenders.org/Main/HomePage

The single-crop seed? Yes, that's purely for corporate profit. But that's one abomination in a field of promising developments.
I think the official line is that they created it so that organic farmers didn't have to be concerned about GMOs penetrating their crop through winds, but I'm not sure I buy that.

GM food has been around since Og the caveman decided to put some wild goats in a pen and breed the fattest ones together.

Wow, that Og got about a bit, huh? I read elsewhere he invented the wheel, domesticated the dog, was the first to control fire... Bit of a neolithic renaissance man, really! :p

Countries reject GMO grains a food aid.
Then they doom themselves.

A factory (farm) is not a farm
A "family" farm isn't profitable. Hell, a "factory" farm is barely profitable.

Weee-ha.


The only reason there exist GMOs at all is for the simple matter
of pure corporate greed. Countries reject GMO grains a food aid.
There is no food shortage, only a food distribution problem.

Who knows what sort of bacteria are mutating to adapt to the
new forms of genetic material.
agreed. there is a food distribution problem.
but producing more without using more resources must be a good thing. this can be achieved with GM foods.

i don't see what the big deal/fear with them is, frankly. if you know anything about genetics, most of the scaremongering falls apart. the only problem i see is cross-fertilisation of GM and non-GM crops, but the former can be rendered effectively sterile... ergo: not a problem. unless, of yourse, you read the daily mail; in which case "the GM crops could mutate and spread their evil!!11!111" :rolleyes:

VICTORY! MENDOCINO COUNTY FIRST COUNTY IN NATION TO BAN THE GROWING OF GENETICALLY ALTERED CROPS AND ANIMALS

The only reason there exist GMOs at all is for the simple matter
of pure corporate greed. Countries reject GMO grains a food aid.
There is no food shortage, only a food distribution problem.

Who knows what sort of bacteria are mutating to adapt to the
new forms of genetic material.

Nice Troll, so FUVM. I know it might be a stretch, but AFAIC, anyone who lives in a food-rich country has no place bitching about food crops that could reasonably feed the millions who are now starving.

Maybeyou should watch more Penn and Teller - not the most most conservative Joes on the planet - when they ridicule your type into the ground.

Please stop eating anyting that you personally didn't grow in a vacant lot before you post somthing like this again.

How is this any different than what humanity has been doing with agriculture for the last THREE THOUSAND YEARS? Except now we're not dealing with the blunt instrument of cross breeding for a desired genetic characteristic, now we can actually hand craft the desired genetic characteristic with the fine point of modern genetics. No longer is it a hit-and-miss game, instead we can be precise and efficient. You're just being foolish and alarmist.

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I found at least one site of do-gooders.
http://www.familyfarmdefenders.org/Main/HomePage
if you want to really help farmers and good, properly produced food and small farms, buy local and fresh food from local producers and farmers - farmers' markets, farm shops, etc...
www.farma.org.uk
www.nafdma.com

To claim that GMOs are a simple extention of the monks centuries ago splicing yellow and green bean plant stalks and growing them together is just mad. It's way beyond that.
It's a matter of precision, that's all - a matter of degree, rather than of kind. There's no qualitative difference between a gene gun and a breeder's chart.

A tomato and flounder would never grow together if you cut the two and put their wounds together.
So? Nobody's making swimming tomatoes, you know; and if you're saying that tomatoes are being made that express genes for omega-3 fatty acids, well, there's no biological reason why tomatoes can't synthesize those compounds. You can breed a tomato that will kill anyone who eats it within an hour, what's the difference between that and making a more nutritious tomato in a laboratory?

Plus the whole round-up ready soy bean seems to basically be about
control.
Well, is the Round-Up Ready soybean a one-crop seed? If so, you're completely right. If not, you're only partly right - the company that inserts the gene for resistance to Round-Up is also the one that manufactures Round-Up. Is that a little slimy? Yeah, it is.

The craporations want control of profits wherever they can get it.
"Craporations"? First, can we give up the stupid insults thing? It really takes down the level of the discussion, and we're not children. Second, what do you think motivates any endeavour? It's the potential for reward in the end. If you don't understand why people want to control their profits in business, I would suggest you probably don't understand why people study their religious beliefs, either.

With organic, the family farm, er, excuse me, the farm can exist free
of fascism.
What does the government's style of rule have anything to do with farming?

A factory (farm) is not a farm
Yes it is. It's just a farm that produces tainted products. I'm not sure how factory farming is relevant to genetic engineering, though.

democratize the economy, it's what "they" don't want.
Elaborate please. What does it mean to democratize the economy - does it mean to enforce state control through monopoly-busters? If so, isn't that reducing economic freedom in the name of freedom? And who are "they", that you warn us of Their intentions with such doomy sentences?

You can't have a free economy if you take your hands completely off, you know, but you do have to strike a balance between forcibly making everyone "equal" and letting anarchy degenerate into oligarchy.

And yet again, I'm not sure how this is relevant to genetic engineering.

I think the official line is that they created [single-season seeds] so that organic farmers didn't have to be concerned about GMOs penetrating their crop through winds, but I'm not sure I buy that.
I sure don't. If that was their plan, they could have had contracts to give farmers a reasonable deal for several years' supply of single-season crops. Plus, they would've had a way of getting reports from the field on whether the pollen was spreading. Instead, they decided to charge farmers for each supply of these (expensive) seeds whenever they needed to buy a new bunch.

But to attempt to claim that GMOs are a simple extention
of the monks centuries ago splicing yellow and green bean plant stalks
and growing them together is just mad.
It's way beyond that.

Of course it is way beyond that. It's a simple extension of the cross breeding performed by farmers in mesopotamia three thousand years ago. Only with less blunt instruments.

We are taking it too far. (http://www.alternet.org/story/28576/)
Skimmed your article. Seems to be about pumping antibiotics and hormones into farm animals. Not relevant to the GMO debate. Thanks for playing. All contestants will recieve Rice-A-Roni, the San Francisco treat, and a complementary case of Turtle Wax.

Elgesh']Wow, that Og got about a bit, huh? I read elsewhere he invented the wheel, domesticated the dog, was the first to control fire... Bit of a neolithic renaissance man, really! :p
He was like the bastard genetically engineered son of DaVinci and Thomas Edison who accidentally got himself sent back in time.

Well while they're banning G.M.O.s, I wish they would also ban E.M.O.s. Even though they are protected to be E.M.O. under free speech :headbang:

If someone can prove that a paticular unfashionable GM food is unsafe, then it shows only that the particular unfashionable GM food is unsafe.

No one has proven that the hysteria about unfashionable forms of GM has any basis.

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that is awesome- now if we could only get the whole country to do the same!- ban ge foods-

here are a couple of good internet sites.

www.thecampaign.org


www.gefoodalert.org


anyone who tells you there is nothing drastically wrong with GE foods is wrong.

why else would basically every country in the world be against GE foods?

People don't like GE foods because it makes farming more efficient, which makes it harder for smaller farmers to compete. It's nothing more than an attempt to derail technological innovation in favor of protecting an outmoded way of life.

My issue is with the US giving our cheap GM-food as "aid", when it is in fact little more than a dumping policy.
Regardless of whether or not it is safe to actually eat (and I'd prefer things to be properly labelled at least), that sort of things destroys local farmers, even if no quotas and tariffs were involved.

If you want to give out aid, you should go there and teach the locals to grow food more effectively, and give them that info and equipment for free.

My issue is with the US giving our cheap GM-food as "aid", when it is in fact little more than a dumping policy.
Regardless of whether or not it is safe to actually eat (and I'd prefer things to be properly labelled at least), that sort of things destroys local farmers, even if no quotas and tariffs were involved.

If you want to give out aid, you should go there and teach the locals to grow food more effectively, and give them that info and equipment for free.

Exactly. Food aid is a market distorter, putting farmers who could easily and profitably sustain themselves under normal conditions with aid in the form of growing techniques and equipment out of of business because it depresses prices regardless of actual supply and demand. When the aid stops, food production is often less than it was before the aid arrived and prices don't recover until there's another crisis and they hyperinflate.

My issue is with the US giving our cheap GM-food as "aid", when it is in fact little more than a dumping policy.
Regardless of whether or not it is safe to actually eat (and I'd prefer things to be properly labelled at least), that sort of things destroys local farmers, even if no quotas and tariffs were involved.

If you want to give out aid, you should go there and teach the locals to grow food more effectively, and give them that info and equipment for free.

The problem isn't GM-food, the problem is material aid.

People don't like GE foods because it makes farming more efficient, which makes it harder for smaller farmers to compete. It's nothing more than an attempt to derail technological innovation in favor of protecting an outmoded way of life.

Give that man a cigar!

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2. these are on topic


so sue me.

If you want to give out aid, you should go there and teach the locals to grow food more effectively, and give them that info and equipment for free.
And that generally means a GMO seed stock that will grow and produce a decent yeild in the shit they have for soil... that will provide extra needed vitamines - like "golden rice"... that can live on not enough - or too much - water, whose yeild is sufficient to be reaped by hand since US style mechanical farming doesn't do much good without deisel or spare parts... that doesn't need fancy or frequent tilling or weeding...

Gee, really, all the things they can't get from non-gmo/ "organic" kum-by-yah farming. And yet People with too much food continue to scare starving (mostly African... hmmm... ) countries into forbidding gmo. Lovely.

More Penn & Teller for you too.

But to attempt to claim that GMOs are a simple extention
of the monks centuries ago splicing yellow and green bean plant stalks
and growing them together is just mad.
It's way beyond that.

A tomato and flounder would never grow together if you
cut the two and put their wounds together.
Neither would most plants, although that has little or nothing to do with the issue of GM foods. Nobody is trying to crossbreed a tomato and a flounder, they are merely taking a single or a small group of useful genes out of one organism and depositing them in another, most of the time.
Mules are born because donkeys and horses are close enough.
Though they cannot reproduce because that's the way things are.
Yes, that is the way things are. But why does that make it wrong to do otherwise?
Plus the whole round-up ready soy bean seems to basically be about
control. The craporations want control of profits wherever they can get it.
With organic, the family farm, er, excuse me, the farm can exist free
of fascism. A factory (farm) is not a farm
Err, you do know that it isn't just corporations that could theoretically do genetic modification, correct? Once the price of the tech comes down, a family farm could perhaps do genetic modifications themselves, to produce a suitable organism for their environment.
Where is the corporate slavery in that example?

Gee, really, all the things they can't get from non-gmo/ "organic" kum-by-yah farming. And yet People with too much food continue to scare starving (mostly African... hmmm... ) countries into forbidding gmo. Lovely.

More Penn & Teller for you too.[/QUOTE]


penn and teller are quite frankly retards. if you beleave what they say then you would beleave just about anything. penn and teller are propaganda paid idiots.

what those countries like africa need are the new ways of farming and the new techniques and suplies- and organic seeds.

biotech seeds dont produce better yields or profits- the actually do the oppisite expesially in foreign countries where the soil and enviroment is different then what the biotech seed is made for.

what those countries like africa need are the new ways of farming and the new techniques and suplies- and organic seeds.

biotech seeds dont produce better yields or profits- the actually do the oppisite expesially in foreign countries where the soil and enviroment is different then what the biotech seed is made for.
It is correct that biotech seeds would do badly in environments they aren't meant for. Just like any other plant. So why not design biotech seed for that environment?

penn and teller are quite frankly retards. if you beleave what they say then you would beleave just about anything. penn and teller are propaganda paid idiots.Would you like to tell me just what "propaganda" is paying for their (basically anti-propaganda) "Bullshit" series?

what those countries like africa need are the new ways of farming and the new techniques and suplies- and organic seeds.What "new ways of farming"? Mechanized & Fertilized - like the US? Whence the deisel & parts, not to mention the education to run & repair them?
biotech seeds dont produce better yields or profits- the actually do the oppisite expesially in foreign countries where the soil and enviroment is different then what the biotech seed is made for.Ah, your idiocy is showing. Obviously you believe all seeds and gmos are the same. Gmo seed stock is Modified to the enviornment into which they will be planted specifically because things don't grow well in "foreign countries". Duh. Could that be one of the reasons people there might be starving - because their seeds don't work well there? How about making some that do? But that would be playing Goddess and making Frankenfoods now woulden't it?

Please stop eating anyting that you personally didn't grow in a vacant lot from 1950s Legacy Seed Stock before you post somthing like this again.

*sigh*

Not this nonsense.

GMOs are not bad in and of themselves. Man has been genetically engineering crops since he has been farming. We take a more hands-on approach now, but it's not that big a difference.

I challenge you to show one good reason to ban GMO's (Note: Yes, regulation and testing need to be reinforced, but phobic "Bans" are foolish)

why else would basically every country in the world be against GE foods?


Did you mom ever ask your that questions about what you'd do if all you friends jumped off a bridge?

VICTORY! MENDOCINO COUNTY FIRST COUNTY IN NATION TO BAN THE GROWING OF GENETICALLY ALTERED CROPS AND ANIMALS


It should be a simple matter for the manufacturer of GM products and seed to sue in Federal court and ask that the law be thrown out on the basis that Mendocino county cannot, in any Constitutional manner, interfere with interstate commerce in this manner.

They've successfully beaten Nebraska's state constitution amendment about limiting corporate farms - on this very basis.

What chance do you think Mendocino County has?

penn and teller are quite frankly retards. if you beleave what they say then you would beleave just about anything. penn and teller are propaganda paid idiots.

what those countries like africa need are the new ways of farming and the new techniques and suplies- and organic seeds.

biotech seeds dont produce better yields or profits- the actually do the oppisite expesially in foreign countries where the soil and enviroment is different then what the biotech seed is made for.
Penn and Teller are retards? Prove it. They seem to be using critical thinking skills, logic, and sound experimentation to back up the points they make. Granted I haven't seen many episodes, I don't have Showtime on my cable, but I have seen a few, and they've impressed me as much as James Randi did.

Penn and Teller are retards? Prove it. They seem to be using critical thinking skills, logic, and sound experimentation to back up the points they make. Granted I haven't seen many episodes, I don't have Showtime on my cable, but I have seen a few, and they've impressed me as much as James Randi did.
Most Video places rent the "Bullshit" series on DVD. IIRC they take on the Hippie Food Facists on DVD#3. (They do PETA on #2 - or vice verca)

VICTORY! MENDOCINO COUNTY FIRST COUNTY IN NATION TO BAN THE GROWING OF GENETICALLY ALTERED CROPS AND ANIMALS



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Weee-ha.


The only reason there exist GMOs at all is for the simple matter
of pure corporate greed. Countries reject GMO grains a food aid.
There is no food shortage, only a food distribution problem.

Who knows what sort of bacteria are mutating to adapt to the
new forms of genetic material.

Too late. The cat is out of the bag. The genie is out of the bottle. The cliche' is out of the mouth. ...er...

ANyhoo... Genetically altered crops and livestock became unavoidable the first time one of them touched soil. It's like Dr. Ian Malcolm said in 'Jurassic Park"; Life finds a way.

Look at StarLink corn. It's impossible to separate it from other corn crops. It's here to stay.

The only way to enforce a ban on StarLink corn would be to ban all corn.

Skimmed your article. Seems to be about pumping antibiotics and hormones into farm animals. Not relevant to the GMO debate. Thanks for playing. All contestants will recieve Rice-A-Roni, the San Francisco treat, and a complementary case of Turtle Wax.

YAY! :D

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Um, Africa's problem is that the governments are about as stable as Iodine 131. The governments that are more stable are all command control economies which is why they can't farm for shit. See Zimbabwe nee Rhodesia and South Africa for examples in motion.