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The following (http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD104905) is an excerpt from a symposium of students at Universite Libanaise, hosted by Hizbullah's Al-Manar TV and broadcast on November 29, 2005. The symposium marked the anniversary of November 29, 1947, the day the U.N. General Assembly passed the Partition Plan, which is marked annually in the Arab world with ceremonies of solidarity with the Palestinians. Al-Manar's TV symposium was devoted to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict and participants included Shafiq Al-Hut, a former PLO representative in Lebanon, and Palestinian, Lebanese and Syrian students.

It should be noted that Universite Libanaise is Lebanon's only government-run university, and the country's largest.

Mediator: "The Arab regimes have all accepted the establishing of a Palestinian state on the territories of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. In other words, the 1967 borders only. They believe that the reality and the balance of power do not allow more than that at this stage. Do you support this 'realism,' or do you adhere to what has come to be known as the historical, original Palestine? Let us... Let us... Go ahead."

Student 1: "My name is Hisham Sham'as, and I study political science. I just want to say everyone is talking about..."

Mediator: "Please address the question."

Hisham Sham'as: "The state shouldn't be only within the 1976 borders... Or rather, 1967... Israel must be wiped out."

Mediator: "You mean, reviving the motto of erasing Israel from the map."

Hisham Sham'as: "Israel should be completely wiped out, so the Palestinians will have a country to return to."

Mediator: "If someone tells you this motto is unrealistic, how would you respond?"

Hisham Sham'as: "There is no such thing as unrealistic. Just as Israel... Just like Hitler fought the Jews - We are a great Islamic nation of Jihad, and we too should fight the Jews and burn them."

The spirit of their beloved leader is alive and well, it seems.

well that's interesting....huh...people never cease to amaze me...

3 words: OH MY RELIGION!

This guy must be completly insane, let us shoot him before he just do as much as look at a jew!

LET'S ALL US COMMUNIST'S DO A WAR AGAINST THIS MAN!

Just let me give a speech to the arab nations, and they will realize who's the real enemy.

This enemy is not like the jews who only want a piece of land to live and give to their children , the real enemy will not want just a piece of land, it wants the whole globe.

This enemy will only protect its own race, their numbers are to great to be fought with diplomacy.

THE REAL ENEMY IS CHINA, NOT ISRAEL.

My faith in humanity goes down another notch.

Certain Muslims, particularly Palestinian ones, have had a long love affair with Nazi ideology. This statement is no surprise.

My faith in humanity goes down another notch.
You're surprised? It's been the central tenet of the Palestinian cause for decades. Probably an ideal either held, supported, or condoned by a majority of Arabs in the immediate region.

You're surprised? It's been the central tenet of the Palestinian cause for decades. Probably an ideal either held, supported, or condoned by a majority of Arabs in the immediate region.

Not suprised just disapointed.

Certain Muslims, particularly Palestinian ones, have had a long love affair with Nazi ideology. This statement is no surprise.
thats thin ice, and i wouldnt say that. apart from those zionist people things who say the world is a giant semetic conspiracy

"There is no such thing as unrealistic. Just as Israel... Just like Hitler fought the Jews - We are a great Islamic nation of Jihad, and we too should fight the Jews and burn them."
This should be listed near the top of "Unrealistic and Dangerous Ideas of the Modern World." Jeeze. Talk about being "brainwashed!" :headbang:

you know, Islamic nations whern't always like this...once apone a time they let people have freedom of religion, and christians did not

thats thin ice, and i wouldnt say that. apart from those zionist people things who say the world is a giant semetic conspiracy
I've seen pictures of Nazi grafiti in palestinian territories. I've seen pictures of Palestinian terrorists giving the Nazi salute. I've heard quotes like the one posted by the OP. I know the history of the Mufti of Jerusalem and his work on behalf of the Nazis and his incitement of violence agains Jews in what was at the time called Palestine. I think my statement is correct.

you know, Islamic nations whern't always like this...once apone a time they let people have freedom of religion, and christians did not
Something happened during the time of the Ottoman Empire. At that time, Islam as a culture entered its long deep period of cultural, governmental, and scientific stagnation - a period from which it has never recovered.

I've seen pictures of Nazi grafiti in palestinian territories. I've seen pictures of Palestinian terrorists giving the Nazi salute. I've heard quotes like the one posted by the OP. I know the history of the Mufti of Jerusalem and his work on behalf of the Nazis and his incitement of violence agains Jews in what was at the time called Palestine. I think my statement is correct.

No more monsieur,
No more mister,
In Heaven Allah,
On earth Hitler.

It's what they used to sing back in the 30-s from Syria to Algeria. They even gave him an Arab name- Abu Ali.

Very well expressed. Modern Palestinians/Arabs do not seem to grasp the full scope of this international problem, and appear to only be able to resort to such "controversial" and completely unacceptable remarks.

The arabs in the 30s and 40s probably liked Hitler more for his war against Britain and France then for his anti-semitism.

"Just like Hitler fought the Jews, we too should fight and burn them".I do not think the Headline of your Trhead is legit...

Be aware that I may request a mod ruling.

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I do not think the Headline of your Trhead is legit...

Be aware that I will request a mod ruling.
1)It's in quote marks
2)It's a direct quote from the text of the post
3)Request whatever you wish.

The arabs in the 30s and 40s probably liked Hitler more for his war against Britain and France then for his anti-semitism.
The mufti of Jerusalem wrote a letter urging Hungary to send it's Jews to Poland for execution. That's not the limit of his antisemitic activity either.

The Palestians probably feel like how the Germans felt after WW1: oppressed... I don't think it is exactly against any race, but more of getting back what they believe what is theirs. Even then, the remark made by the student is very disturbing.

I wonder how anyone would react when their homes are demolished and treated as outsiders in their own ancestral land. I wonder how anyone would resist against jets, helicopters, heavy tanks, and a modern army (Israeli) when they have nothing to resist with. Their homes, their prides, their humanity are all taken away, but I guess that’s not enough for the Israelis, they also want to take away the truth.

The Muslims sent volunteers at the Mufti's direction to form an SS Muslim Division. How nice.

But this is very interesting:
Minutes of the meeting with Hitler and Husseini.

Source: Documents on German Foreign Policy 1918-1945, Series D, Vol XIII, London, 1964, pp.881 ff.



German Chancellor Adolf Hitler and Grand Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini:
Zionism and the Arab Cause (November 28, 1941)


Haj Amin al-Husseini, the most influential leader of Palestinian Arabs, lived in Germany during the Second World War. He met Hitler, Ribbentrop and other Nazi leaders on various occasions and attempted to coordinate Nazi and Arab policies in the Middle East.

Record of the Conversation between the Fuhrer and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem on November 28, 1941, in the Presence of Reich Foreign Minister and Minister Grobba in Berlin.

The Grand Mufti began by thanking the Fuhrer for the great honor he had bestowed by receiving him. He wished to seize the opportunity to convey to the Fuhrer of the Greater German Reich, admired by the entire Arab world, his thanks of the sympathy which he had always shown for the Arab and especially the Palestinian cause, and to which he had given clear expression in his public speeches. The Arab countries were firmly convinced that Germany would win the war and that the Arab cause would then prosper. The Arabs were Germany's natural friends because they had the same enemies as had Germany, namely the English, the Jews, and the Communists. Therefore they were prepared to cooperate with Germany with all their hearts and stood ready to participate in the war, not only negatively by the commission of acts of sabotage and the instigation of revolutions, but also positively by the formation of an Arab Legion. The Arabs could be more useful to Germany as allies than might be apparent at first glance, both for geographical reasons and because of the suffering inflicted upon them by the English and the Jews. Furthermore, they had had close relations with all Moslem nations, of which they could make use in behalf of the common cause. The Arab Legion would be quite easy to raise. An appeal by the Mufti to the Arab countries and the prisoners of Arab, Algerian, Tunisian, and Moroccan nationality in Germany would produce a great number of volunteers eager to fight. Of Germany's victory the Arab world was firmly convinced, not only because the Reich possessed a large army, brave soldiers, and military leaders of genius, but also because the Almighty could never award the victory to an unjust cause.

In this struggle, the Arabs were striving for the independence and unity of Palestine, Syria, and Iraq. They had the fullest confidence in the Fuhrer and looked to his hand for the balm on their wounds, which had been inflicted upon them by the enemies of Germany.

The Mufti then mentioned the letter he had received from Germany, which stated that Germany was holding no Arab territories and understood and recognized the aspirations to independence and freedom of the Arabs, just as she supported the elimination of the Jewish national home.

A public declaration in this sense would be very useful for its propagandistic effect on the Arab peoples at this moment. It would rouse the Arabs from their momentary lethargy and give them new courage. It would also ease the Mufti's work of secretly organizing the Arabs against the moment when they could strike. At the same time, he could give the assurance that the Arabs would in strict discipline patiently wait for the right moment and only strike upon an order form Berlin.

With regard to the events in Iraq, the Mufti observed that the Arabs in that country certainly had by no means been incited by Germany to attack England, but solely had acted in reaction to a direct English assault upon their honor.

The Turks, he believed, would welcome the establishment of an Arab government in the neighboring territories because they would prefer weaker Arab to strong European governments in the neighboring countries and, being themselves a nations of 7 million, they had moreover nothing to fear from the 1,700,000 Arabs inhabiting Syria, Transjordan, Iraq, and Palestine.

France likewise would have no objections to the unification plan because she had conceded independence to Syria as early as 1936 and had given her approval to the unification of Iraq and Syria under King Faisal as early as 1933.

In these circumstances he was renewing his request that the Fuhrer make a public declaration so that the Arabs would not lose hope, which is so powerful a force in the life of nations. With such hope in their hearts the Arabs, as he had said, were willing to wait. They were not pressing for immediate realization for their aspirations; they could easily wait half a year or a whole year. But if they were not inspired with such a hope by a declaration of this sort, it could be expected that the English would be the gainers from it.

The Fuhrer replied that Germany's fundamental attitude on these questions, as the Mufti himself had already stated, was clear. Germany stood for uncompromising war against the Jews. That naturally included active opposition to the Jewish national home in Palestine, which was nothing other than a center, in the form of a state, for the exercise of destructive influence by Jewish interests. Germany was also aware that the assertion that the Jews were carrying out the functions of economic pioneers in Palestine was a lie. The work there was done only by the Arabs, not by the Jews. Germany was resolved, step by step, to ask one European nation after the other to solve its Jewish problem, and at the proper time to direct a similar appeal to non-European nations as well.

Germany was at the present time engaged in a life and death struggle with two citadels of Jewish power: Great Britain and Soviet Russia. Theoretically there was a difference between England's capitalism and Soviet Russia's communism; actually, however, the Jews in both countries were pursuing a common goal. This was the decisive struggle; on the political plane, it presented itself in the main as a conflict between Germany and England, but ideologically it was a battle between National Socialism and the Jews. It went without saying that Germany would furnish positive and practical aid to the Arabs involved in the same struggle, because platonic promises were useless in a war for survival or destruction in which the Jews were able to mobilize all of England's power for their ends.

The aid to the Arabs would have to be material aid. Of how little help sympathies alone were in such a battle had been demonstrated plainly by the operation in Iraq, where circumstances had not permitted the rendering of really effective, practical aid. In spite of all the sympathies, German aid had not been sufficient and Iraq was overcome by the power of Britain, that is, the guardian of the Jews.

The Mufti could not but be aware, however, that the outcome of the struggle going on at present would also decide the fate of the Arab world. The Fuhrer therefore had to think and speak coolly and deliberately, as a rational man and primarily as a soldier, as the leader of the German and allied armies. Everything of a nature to help in this titanic battle for the common cause, and thus also for the Arabs, would have to be done. Anything however, that might contribute to weakening the military situation must be put aside, no matter how unpopular this move might be.

Germany was now engaged in very severe battles to force the gateway to the northern Caucasus region. The difficulties were mainly with regard to maintaining the supply, which was most difficult as a result of the destruction of railroads and highways as well as the oncoming winter. If at such a moment, the Fuhrer were to raise the problem of Syria in a declaration, those elements in France which were under de Gaulle's influence would receive new strength. They would interpret the Fuhrer's declaration as an intention to break up France's colonial empire and appeal to their fellow countrymen that they should rather make common cause with the English to try to save what still could be saved. A German declaration regarding Syria would in France be understood to refer to the French colonies in general, and that would at the present time create new troubles in western Europe, which means that a portion of the German armed forces would be immobilized in the west and no longer be available for the campaign in the east.

The Fuhrer then made the following statement to the Mufti, enjoining him to lock it in the uttermost depths of his heart:

1. He (the Fuhrer) would carry on the battle to the total destruction of the Judeo-Communist empire in Europe.
2. At some moment which was impossible to set exactly today but which in any event was not distant, the German armies would in the course of this struggle reach the southern exit from Caucasia.
3. As soon as this had happened, the Fuhrer would on his own give the Arab world the assurance that its hour of liberation had arrived. Germany's objective would then be solely the destruction of the Jewish element residing in the Arab sphere under the protection of British power. In that hour the Mufti would be the most authoritative spokesman for the Arab world. It would then be his task to set off the Arab operations, which he had secretly prepared. When that time had come, Germany could also be indifferent to French reaction to such a declaration.

Once Germany had forced open the road to Iran and Iraq through Rostov; it would be also the beginning of the end of the British World Empire. He (the Fuhrer) hoped that the coming year would make it possible for Germany to thrust open the Caucasian gate to the Middle East. For the good of their common cause, it would be better if the Arab proclamation were put off for a few more months than if Germany were to create difficulties for herself without being able thereby to help the Arabs.

He (the Fuhrer) fully appreciated the eagerness of the Arabs for a public declaration of the sort requested by the Grand Mufti. But he would beg him to consider that he (the Fuhrer) himself was the Chief of State of the German Reich for five long years during which he was unable to make to his own homeland the announcement of its liberation. He had to wait with that until the announcement could be made on the basis of a situation brought about by the force of arms that the Anschluss had been carried out.

The moment that Germany's tank divisions and air squadrons had made their appearance south of the Caucasus, the public appeal requested by the Grand Mufti could go out to the Arab world.

The Grand Mufti replied that it was his view that everything would come to pass just as the Fuhrer had indicated. He was fully reassured and satisfied by the words which he had heard form the Chief of the German State. He asked, however, whether it would not be possible, secretly at least, to enter into an agreement with Germany of the kind he had just outlined for the Fuhrer.

The Fuhrer replied that he had just now given the Grand Mufti precisely that confidential declaration.

The Grand Mufti thanked him for it and stated in conclusion that he was taking his leave from the Fuhrer in full confidence and with reiterated thanks for the interest shown in the Arab cause.
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3)Request whatever you wish.
fine.

I wonder how anyone would react when their homes are demolished and treated as outsiders in their own ancestral land. I wonder how anyone would resist against jets, helicopters, heavy tanks, and a modern army (Israeli) when they have nothing to resist with. Their homes, their prides, their humanity are all taken away, but I guess that’s not enough for the Israelis, they also want to take away the truth.
The Palestinians were given every opportunity to live in peace with the Jews. They chose war and now they whine because they lost. Any land the Palestinans get, any freedom they get, any opportunities that come their way are courtesy of Israeli generosity and mercy.

The Muslims sent volunteers at the Mufti's direction to form an SS Muslim Division. How nice.
Two divisions, actually: Waffen SS division Handschar and Waffen SS division Skanderberg. Both did a lion's share of the work in the Nazi genocide of Jews and Serbs in the Balkan region.

Plus there was the Arabische Freiheitkorps (Arab volunteer troops) regiment, and the Arab Brigade in Mussolini's Italian army, and the pro-Nazi spy network ran by the Muslim Brotherhood founder Hassan Al-Banna, and the pro-Nazi riots in the 30-s in Palestine and Iraq, and the oberst (Wehrmacht colonel) Fauzi Al-Kaukaji, who led the Palestinian arm of the Arab invading force in 1948.

Something happened during the time of the Ottoman Empire. At that time, Islam as a culture entered its long deep period of cultural, governmental, and scientific stagnation - a period from which it has never recovered.

Not during the Ottoman empire.

Hulagu Khan's sacking of Baghdad was the event that triggered a "closing" of all ijtehad (interpretation of Qur'an according to times and circumstances). All mysticism were outlawed as heretics in an effort to solidify and protect the faith.

This can be understood by the fact that many of the muslims scholars of era of the so-called Islamic glory had ideas bordering heresy and would be probably stoned to death today.

My faith in humanity goes down another notch.

i lost all faith in humanity years ago, theres a few hopeful souls, but not much

i am suprised by this thread, i only saw the first few words, "just like hitler fo" i origninally thought it was going to be another one of those threads comparing a certain world leader of todays world to a certain leader in the 40's

i lost all faith in humanity years ago, theres a few hopeful souls, but not much

Sadly I can't give up on us just yet. Something about the hope that when younger people start geting into politcal power(at least in the US/UK/Western World and not like these guys from Iran.) that we'll stop being so idiotic.

I wonder how anyone would react when their homes are demolished and treated as outsiders in their own ancestral land. I wonder how anyone would resist against jets, helicopters, heavy tanks, and a modern army (Israeli) when they have nothing to resist with. Their homes, their prides, their humanity are all taken away, but I guess that’s not enough for the Israelis, they also want to take away the truth.

OMG!!!??? Palastinians have humanity???

*Spreads the word*

First of all, you speak of Jews as outsiders to their own land...that does not seem correct to me. Jews were there long before Islam was even a thought in any little A-rabs head. Second of all, Jews have a TINY portion of the middle east, and they are willing to settle with that, why is it that the Arabs cant deal with Israel having a teeney weenie itsy bitsy yellow polka dot...area of the middle east to themselves? The Jews are willing to share even though rightfully, that land is theirs. Why arent the Arabs?
Also....did I understand you correctly? "they also want to take away the truth. By truth do you mean the truth that the Arabs have about denying the holocaust, or the truth that they have about saluting Hitler, or the truth that they have about beleving that Jews, along with Christians, along with Americans, along with Europeans, are all inferior infidels?
Ohhh....ok, that truth, got ya:rolleyes:

Not during the Ottoman empire.

Hulagu Khan's sacking of Baghdad was the event that triggered a "closing" of all ijtehad (interpretation of Qur'an according to times and circumstances). All mysticism were outlawed as heretics in an effort to solidify and protect the faith.

This can be understood by the fact that many of the muslims scholars of era of the so-called Islamic glory had ideas bordering heresy and would be probably stoned to death today.
Ah, so my favorite moment in 1254 is the essential destruction of the Caliphate and the crippling of Islam (that even Bin Laden constantly refers to)?

1)It's in quote marks
2)It's a direct quote from the text of the post..It's a direct quote from a linked source.. Turns out You where rigth..
..It's a news article that contains a breif transript from a symposium at a University in Lebanon..Mod agrees with you.. I have nothing to add.

OMG!!!??? Palastinians have humanity???

*Spreads the word*

First of all, you speak of Jews as outsiders to their own land...that does not seem correct to me. Jews were there long before Islam was even a thought in any little A-rabs head.
No need to swing in the opposite direction and make with the racist remarks.

No need to swing in the opposite direction and make with the racist remarks.

Uh, how about this. When they stop murdering Israelis by hurling themselves at a crowd with a bomb strapped around them, then, and only then, will I stop questioning their humanity.:rolleyes:

As for A-rab....It means the same exact thing as arab, just different pronounciation, not seeing how thats racist....Its not like I made up a whole new word for a group of people. *Usian comes to mind*:rolleyes:

Uh, how about this. When they stop murdering Israelis by hurling themselves at a crowd with a bomb strapped around them, then, and only then, will I stop questioning their humanity.:rolleyes:

As for A-rab....It means the same exact thing as arab, just different pronounciation, not seeing how thats racist....Its not like I made up a whole new word for a group of people. *Usian comes to mind*:rolleyes:

Using 'A-rab' doesn't help you in anyway. It doesn't save you time, it doesn't take fewer key strokes. Now, if you were to refer to Italians as 'Eye-talians', they'd have your head as a racist. You gained nothing by using 'A-rab' instead of 'Arab'. Without an arab to comment on the racism/non-racism of the comment, however, it may or may not be racist. You should edit it for safety's sake.

*Sigh* You cannot reason with such idiots, they'll just have to be killed. It's unfortunate, but they don't appear to want to compromise.

The spirit of their beloved leader is alive and well, it seems.
Rafik Hariri?

The Muslims sent volunteers at the Mufti's direction to form an SS Muslim Division. How nice.
So did everyone else.

Here's a list of foreign SS Divisions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Free_Corps
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Division_Wiking
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/34th_SS_Volunteer_Grenadier_Division_Landstorm_Nederland
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS_%281st_Estonian%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5th_SS_Volunteer_Sturmbrigade_Wallonien
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/11th_SS_Volunteer_Panzergrenadier_Division_Nordland

And so on and so forth...

Ah, so my favorite moment in 1254 is the essential destruction of the Caliphate and the crippling of Islam (that even Bin Laden constantly refers to)?

Well, I am not sure if OBL refers to it or not. But it was the end of the expansionist phase of Islamic political power and beginning of islamic obscurantism.

Contrary to popular belief, rigidity in Islam is not a codified one. There was a practice of ijtehad, which shiites still have.

After the Hulagu khan sacking, many scholars decided that the faith was in danger and hence to protect it they denounced ijtehad.

As an undesirable effect, most of the questionable hadiths (the so called traditions of the prophet - as narrated by his companions) were no longer questioned and were set as truth.

Islamic obscurantism started dominating and wiping out Islamic mysticism and we are now where we are...having to deal with virulent forms of Islamic oscurantism.

Damn mongols.. ;)

First of all, you speak of Jews as outsiders to their own land...that does not seem correct to me. Jews were there long before Islam was even a thought in any little A-rabs head.
The Jews who used to be the main peoples in Palestine have been dead for almost 2000 years. Modern Jews have no more right to claim the land as theirs than the modern Welsh and Scottish celts have to claim England from the Anglo-Saxons. Trying to turn the clock back on the basis of where populations lived millenia ago is ludicrous, and, if applied universally, would involve a massive upheavel and migration of much of humanity.

Second of all, Jews have a TINY portion of the middle east, and they are willing to settle with that, why is it that the Arabs cant deal with Israel having a teeney weenie itsy bitsy yellow polka dot...area of the middle east to themselves?
Because that teeney weenie bit of land was the long-standing home of other peoples. If it is legitimate to throw Palestinians out of their homeland because it once belonged to another people, it would be even more legitimate to throw all non-native Americans out of America, since they took over the land much more recently than the Palestinians took over theirs.

The Arab Middle East is not a homogenous area. Just as there are different nationalities of Europeans, so too there are different nationalities of Arabs, of which the Palestinians are one (even the Israelis have retracted their former denial that there is a distinct "Palestinian people"). A Palestinian is a foreigner in Egypt or Saudi Arabia just as a Canadian is a foreigner in the USA, or an American is a foreigner in the UK.

The Jews are willing to share even though rightfully, that land is theirs. Why arent the Arabs?
The official PLO line is willing to share, but to share equitably. Although it may be impractical, the just solution is a single, secular, state of Israel-Palestine, in which no peoples are given preference or priviledge because of their religious or racial background.

<snip>
just let them try it <raises flamethrower> that's my least powerful weapon

The only reason Israel in its modern incarnation was created was because noone outside of Europe was willing to accept the European Jews as refugees after the war. Every nation took Poles, Dutch, Austrians, Serbs, Croatians, Russians, but they wouldn't touch the Jews. So they created Israel to solve their problem.

The only reason Israel in its modern incarnation was created was because noone outside of Europe was willing to accept the European Jews as refugees after the war. Every nation took Poles, Dutch, Austrians, Serbs, Croatians, Russians, but they wouldn't touch the Jews. So they created Israel to solve their problem.
So it had nothing to do with Emir Feisal giving the Jews the land west of the Jordan river in 1918? It had nothing to do with the fact that Jews had been buying land there for decades before WWII?

The only reason Israel in its modern incarnation was created was because noone outside of Europe was willing to accept the European Jews as refugees after the war. Every nation took Poles, Dutch, Austrians, Serbs, Croatians, Russians, but they wouldn't touch the Jews. So they created Israel to solve their problem.
Other nations did take Jews, but I think the real issue was that the Jews wanted to be masters in their own land, not beholden to other, non-Jewish-dominated, governments.

So it had nothing to do with Emir Feisal giving the Jews the land west of the Jordan river in 1918? It had nothing to do with the fact that Jews had been buying land there for decades before WWII?

Well, it was the British who created it. In 1948. Who cares if they had been buying land there? The Japanese have been buying land here, lets give them Australia. Perhaps I overgeneralised a little. But one of the most major factors was the sheer number of European Jews who didn't want to live in Eastern Europe anymore (quite understandably - they were still getting killed for years afterward in places like Poland and Russia), and wanted to go to England and America, who didn't want them.

Well, it was the British who created it. In 1948. Who cares if they had been buying land there? The Japanese have been buying land here, lets give them Australia. Perhaps I overgeneralised a little. But one of the most major factors was the sheer number of European Jews who didn't want to live in Eastern Europe anymore (quite understandably - they were still getting killed for years afterward in places like Poland and Russia), and wanted to go to England and America, who didn't want them.
Please don't address the fact that Emir Feisal gave them the right to settle on that land as a Jewish state. That might force you to admit your earlier statement was wrong.

Please don't address the fact that Emir Feisal gave them the right to settle on that land as a Jewish state. That might force you to admit your earlier statement was wrong.

Please take into account that its one-thirty in the morning here and I can't address points I have never heard of in my history textbooks, or history classes or anywhere. I actually got told most of what I wrote by my history teacher (who was married to an Israeli, and was a Jew herself) and she never told us about Emir Feisal. I am actually interested so I'd be very much obliged if you could post me some links to some information.

Why are the arabs so close-minded, no one, but few seem to understand who is the real enemy. The arabs claim that the jews stole their land, the jews claim that that was their land in ancient times ( of course it was ) but they still fight for something that was ages ago, all the nations of the world must realize that the true enemy of the western civilization is CHINA, i've seen some videos of how they kill animals to obtain their skin, I agree that China was once a great civilization, but that was in ancient times, now they're even barbarian, they come to our countries in great numbers, stealing jobs to hard-working natives of the country. THEY'RE A PLAGUE!!!!

I WILL WRITE A THREAD ABOUT THE CHINESE MENACE, WE MUST GATHER STRENGHT FOT THE COMING STORM, OTHERWISE ALL OUR RACE WILL DISSAPEAR.

Please take into account that its one-thirty in the morning here and I can't address points I have never heard of in my history textbooks, or history classes or anywhere. I actually got told most of what I wrote by my history teacher (who was married to an Israeli, and was a Jew herself) and she never told us about Emir Feisal. I am actually interested so I'd be very much obliged if you could post me some links to some information.
Long story short
http://www.jmcc.org/documents/fesialweizman.htm

Sorry if I sounded harsh. I'm an asshole at times. I got the date wrong BTW, it was 1919.

Long story short
http://www.jmcc.org/documents/fesialweizman.htm

Sorry if I sounded harsh. I'm an asshole at times. I got the date wrong BTW, it was 1919.

D'you mind if I have a look at that tomorrow? And you didn't sound particularly harsh. I probably sounded quite ignorant as I'm sure I'll find out tomorrow. Thanks very much for the link, muchly appreciated :fluffle: .