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What is Justice?

New Granada
14-12-2005, 23:22
I wrote my final yesterday for a class called Justice Theory, which has been one of the most interesting i've taken so far in school.

The question the class sought to answer was, predictably, "what is justice?"


Anyone have any ideas?

Is it Justice as Fairness as the venerable john rawls would have us think?

Retributive justice and the theory of right, like Kant?

Utilitarian justice?

Its quite an interesting thing to dicuss.
Kroisistan
14-12-2005, 23:25
What is Justice? Baby don't hurt me... don't hurt me, no more...
Blauschild
14-12-2005, 23:25
An Eye for an Eye. A Tooth for a Tooth. A Life for a Life.

For some reason I've always believed in fair trades.
New Granada
14-12-2005, 23:34
An Eye for an Eye. A Tooth for a Tooth. A Life for a Life.

For some reason I've always believed in fair trades.


Apply that generally: should an injury be inflicted on an attacker which is commensurate with the injury he inflicted?

Should a thief be fined the exact value of what he's stolen?

What if a person steals a huge ammount and is unable to pay the fine?
Heron-Marked Warriors
14-12-2005, 23:35
Justice? There is no justice. THERE'S JUST ME
Jurgencube
14-12-2005, 23:35
Justice is a virtue :confused:
Megaloria
14-12-2005, 23:37
Baby don't hurt me.
Don't hurt me.
No more.
Heron-Marked Warriors
14-12-2005, 23:38
Baby don't hurt me.
Don't hurt me.
No more.

Too slow **looks up**:p
Crabcake Baba Ganoush
14-12-2005, 23:40
Justice is all about finding out who did it, with what weapon and in which room, and then applying a suitable punishment for their individual crime.

Trial by ordeal is still the best way of finding out who done it.
DrunkenDove
14-12-2005, 23:41
Justice is logical, dispassionate revenge.
Megaloria
14-12-2005, 23:42
Too slow **looks up**:p

You people don't pay me enough to read this stuff before posting. It's not like I really contribte anyways.

But just for the hell of it.

Seeking No Truth
Winning Is All
Find it So Grim
So True
So Real
New Granada
14-12-2005, 23:43
Justice is logical, dispassionate revenge.


Elaborate on that.

What form does this "revenge" take and what justifies it?
Willamena
14-12-2005, 23:50
A Life for a Life.

For some reason I've always believed in fair trades.
How is it fair, when the person who should be seeking it is dead?
DrunkenDove
14-12-2005, 23:51
Elaborate on that.

What form does this "revenge" take and what justifies it?

It takes the form of a penalty given out by a society in accordance with it's laws. It is justified by the presence off an injuried party within that society who is unable to avenge itself because of the laws of that society.
Heron-Marked Warriors
14-12-2005, 23:52
You people don't pay me enough to read this stuff before posting. It's not like I really contribte anyways.

But just for the hell of it.

Seeking No Truth
Winning Is All
Find it So Grim
So True
So Real

I don't contribute very often, but I still read the stuff. Spam is bad enough, but repeat spam? **shudder**;) :p
MOJA POLSKA
15-12-2005, 00:03
Justice is what is right for the one who is hurt and what punishment should the one who did the hurting get.
justice in this world of ours is explianed in one word<:headbang: corruption:headbang: > its every were and i personaly think that if someone does something agianst the law they should be punished for what they did

now in these days we have one pereson on a bench giving out a punishment for some wrong doing that person is called a judge
since people have free will then how can one person or a group of people judge what is right or wrong
what we should have is a online voting place or a mail in your vote thing and give a punihsment based on what the nation thinks and not what a group of peole or one person thinks

now these our just my opinions and i dont care if anyone thinks there wrong but if you think there right then please give your opinion:mp5:
Neutral Mercenaries
15-12-2005, 00:19
It´s is fair to kill one person just because he/she commited a crime, like took someone else's life???:mp5:

It´s good to kill someone, that punishment is the right one??:(
Kamsaki
15-12-2005, 00:28
Justice is indulging the innate human desire for vengence.
Heron-Marked Warriors
15-12-2005, 00:29
Justice is indulging the innate human desire for vengence.

You're a cheeful little soul
Liskeinland
15-12-2005, 00:30
In the purest, most unadulterated sense, I suppose it would be "Eye for eye, tooth for tooth".
Kamsaki
15-12-2005, 00:35
You're a cheeful little soul
I'm just calling 'em like I see them.

'sides, I'm feeling a little under the weather at the minute, and there's no-one else around to have a good old-fashioned moan at just now.
Avertide
15-12-2005, 00:36
Justice is about doing what is Right and Appropriate to the situation and the transgression.

But Justice without Mercy or any other tempering influences is merely Tyranny and Vengence.

Social Justice refers to the duty of society and individuals to see that aid is provided to the weak and assistance given to those who need it.
Commie Catholics
15-12-2005, 00:59
Justice is a system in which acts that are considered to be wrong by a particular society are punished so as to prevent the act from happening in the future and compensated for if harm to society has been done. The main objective of a justice system is to deter crime by fear of punishment. If a crime is committed, the objective of justice then becomes enforcing a suitable punishment and compensation. The punishment for a particular crime is determined by the beliefs and values of the particular society. Justice is the prevention of evil. The method we use for creating a peacful society.
Drunk commies deleted
15-12-2005, 01:06
Justice is never having to say you're sorry.
Andaras Prime
15-12-2005, 01:16
Justice is society's response to an individual committing an offence against society, so it's exclusive to criminal law, since civil relates to a private indiviudal who thinks their rights have been infringed. So a sentence can be for retribution, incapacitation, deterrence or rehabilitation.
German Nightmare
15-12-2005, 01:29
Wow! That topic is really interesting. Just today at university (philosophy class) we were talking about that and how Sokrates and Platon thought about it. (Haven't figured it out, though...)

I'd be interested in a copy of your paper (unless you can't post it 'cause it's handwritten). Unless it's way too big! (Or there are other reasons).

I'd say justice is served when one person can act out their rights to the maximum without another's person rights getting the slightest bit diminished.
The only problems arise when one person oversteps the boundaries of the other person's rights.

Really interesting topic, congrats!
Neo-Litaria
15-12-2005, 01:52
If we want true justice, we will NOT go the way of revenge, payback, or violence. We must go by the ancient principle of 'innocent till proven guilty'. Instead of relying purely on testimony or feelings, lets look at something hard, tangible: I'm talking about physical and circumstantial evidence. All should be entitled to an attorney; all sides must be heard. I know, a few criminals would slip away; but, in an ideal world, no innocent people will be imprisoned, or worse. The govorner of Massachuchets during the Salem Witch Trials had said this after that hysteria; "It be better that ten witches escape than one innocent man condemned." Punishments should not exceed nor undermine the nature of the crime; no death for a thief, nor a minor fine for a murderer. Besides, as far as I'm concerned, if you maim or kill a murderer, you should be considered no better.