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Would like to hear from all the Bush lied people. He agree's with the fact that he got faulty intelligence. So now what?

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/12/14/bush.iraq/index.html

My decision to remove Saddam Hussein was the right decision," the president said. "Saddam was a threat and the American people, and the world is better off because he is no longer in power."

He's still sticking to this story though. I wish he would explain how Saddam was a threat to the US.

I, for one, have never claimed that Bush deliberately lied. Not in the sense that he said there were WMD's in Iraq when he knew there were not. I've always maintained that the administration claimed there were for certain WMD's when they had no idea if there were or not, and knew they had no idea. Granted, they could have turned out to be right, but if they had, it would have been only by accident.

Really this is not any news. We all knew that he went to war based on faulty intelligence. He just is admitting it to probably gain support back. The whole " I made a booboo, Im sorry" type of thing. Sort of a sympathy thing. I bet 5 Republic Credits that he has a boost in the polls of a few precent following this

Did he release the Presidential Daily Briefs?

Until we see what went on in his meetings, his words are meaningless.

I don't see how Bush really could have won with this one, after they found no WMD's in Iraq and no link to international terrorism. Either he knew there were none, but lied, or he didn't know when he should have, and went ahead on a false assumption.

So he's either a liar or a moron. Poor guy. I could almost feel bad for him if he wasn't such an asshole.

After all his attacks or seaming attacks on the CIA I wonder how the CIA is going to deal with him. CIA is the scape goat and it's been attacked by the Valery Plaim leak. I think Bush and the CIA are now enemies.

Too little, too late. Bush has been known for obstinance throughout his term in office and the fact he is only now accepting responsibility sounds like he's finally listening to the polls after his approval rating dropped through the basement.

And he called John Kerry a waffler?!

As for getting rid of Saddam, I agree that the world and the Iraqi people are better off without Saddam, but the U.S. should have kept fighting in '91 until he was deposed when the older Bush had international support and had done a better job of convincing the American people that the war was to stop the aggression of a dictator.

I supported the first Persian Gulf War. I supported Desert Shield when most people were against it. I supported the war in Afghanistan. I never supported this war in Iraq.

Can we call this a flip-flop? :D

Really this is not any news. We all knew that he went to war based on faulty intelligence. He just is admitting it to probably gain support back. The whole " I made a booboo, Im sorry" type of thing. Sort of a sympathy thing. I bet 5 Republic Credits that he has a boost in the polls of a few precent following this
5 Republic Credits? bah, Republic Credits are worthless out here...

Can we call this a flip-flop? :D
Why not?
And we can use the same arguments to defend him that Democrats used to defend John Kerry.

All in all, it may not matter if the Iranian nuclear thing heats up - if a few nukes go off, no one will remember the war in Iraq.

Really this is not any news. We all knew that he went to war based on faulty intelligence. He just is admitting it to probably gain support back. The whole " I made a booboo, Im sorry" type of thing. Sort of a sympathy thing. I bet 5 Republic Credits that he has a boost in the polls of a few precent following this


agreed - I was shocked to hear him claim any responsibility and guessed it was for this reason as well.

Would like to hear from all the Bush lied people. He agree's with the fact that he got faulty intelligence. So now what?

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/12/14/bush.iraq/index.html


So, what you are saying is that:

1. Three years ago Bush told us he had ironclad proof that Saddam had WMD, and we should trust him and go to war.

2. Now Bush is saying that he takes responsibility for acting on errors that were ALL the fault of the CIA, and that we should trust him on this and continue to go to war.



your definition of "responsibility" and mine are clearly vastly different, as are our propensities for accepting constant revisions of "the truth" at face value

no it isn't really a flip-flop. I think it's more wishy-washy.

After all his attacks or seaming attacks on the CIA I wonder how the CIA is going to deal with him. CIA is the scape goat and it's been attacked by the Valery Plaim leak. I think Bush and the CIA are now enemies.

Acronyms are there to catch hell and blame, that's the beauty of them. That and the paranoia. :D

1. Three years ago Bush told us he had ironclad proof that Saddam had WMD, and we should trust him and go to war.

As I heard on NPR this morning, the story went like this:

George Tenet, then head of the CIA, and a deputy went to the White House to give a presentation on WMD in Iraq.

After a long boring tale of statistics and satellite photos, during which the White House audience was clearly bored, Tenet was asked, "are you absolutely sure that Iraq has WMD?"

And Tenet jumped off the couch, and said, "it's a slam-dunk case that they have WMD".

Well, should a President trust his own intelligence agency, or not?

1. Three years ago Bush told us he had ironclad proof...
Can you provide a citation for that claim?

Can you provide a citation for that claim?

you're kidding right?

As I heard on NPR this morning, the story went like this:

George Tenet, then head of the CIA, and a deputy went to the White House to give a presentation on WMD in Iraq.

After a long boring tale of statistics and satellite photos, during which the White House audience was clearly bored, Tenet was asked, "are you absolutely sure that Iraq has WMD?"

And Tenet jumped off the couch, and said, "it's a slam-dunk case that they have WMD".

Well, should a President trust his own intelligence agency, or not?
Apparently, only if it confirms a Leftist hypothesis, eh?

you're kidding right?
Certainly not. Ironclad? I'm unable to recall such a claim. If you would be kind enough to cite a source, it would further confirm your point, eh?

Oh, you need the exat word "ironclad" in a quote?

Statements like:
"If we know Saddam Hussein has dangerous weapons today — and we do — does it make any sense for the world to wait? " 10/7/2002

or

"Here's what -- we've discovered a weapons system, biological labs, that Iraq denied she had, and labs that were prohibited under the U.N. resolutions" 6/1/2003

or

"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction "


aren't a firm statement that there was no room for dispute in the intelligence?

Oh, you need the exat word "ironclad" in a quote?

Statements like:
"If we know Saddam Hussein has dangerous weapons today — and we do — does it make any sense for the world to wait? " 10/7/2002

or

"Here's what -- we've discovered a weapons system, biological labs, that Iraq denied she had, and labs that were prohibited under the U.N. resolutions" 6/1/2003

or

"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction "


aren't a firm statement that there was no room for dispute in the intelligence?


Let's not forget that it seems to have been George Tenet who was trying to convince the President, and not the other way around.

Go here to hear the audio of the point where Tenet convinces the White House - a bored and disinterested White House - and not the other way around.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5052909

Would like to hear from all the Bush lied people. He agree's with the fact that he got faulty intelligence. So now what?

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/12/14/bush.iraq/index.html

It took TWO YEARS to get Bush to admit the intel was faulty! That we went to war on faulty intelligence! The phrase 'like pulling teeth' comes to mind. :p

Really this is not any news. We all knew that he went to war based on faulty intelligence. He just is admitting it to probably gain support back. The whole " I made a booboo, Im sorry" type of thing. Sort of a sympathy thing. I bet 5 Republic Credits that he has a boost in the polls of a few precent following this


He has already had a boost in the polls prior to this in the past week.

Polls are useless, except to lead the lame around by the nose with.

Oh, you need the exat word "ironclad" in a quote?

No, what you posted was compelling enough...