Chinese hackers may have attacked the US
Drunk commies deleted
14-12-2005, 18:15
There is evidence that Chinese hackers, perhaps under orders from the Chinese government have hacked into US government and industry computer networks. If this is true, does it constitute an act of war? (probably wont' risk nuclear war over it though) Will it precipitate economic sanctions against China? Will the US counterattack with their own hackers?
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/12/12/051212224756.jwmkvntb.html
Santa Barbara
14-12-2005, 18:18
omg eth evil chi|\|ease juist messed \\\\////\\\\////ith da worng Hax0rz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111~~~~~~~
Skibereen
14-12-2005, 18:18
We dont go to war over catching REAL spies--why would go to war over geeks?
Nothing.
Marrakech II
14-12-2005, 18:20
Is it an act of war? Maybe that could have some merit. But what they need to do is do the same thing back. Maybe disconnect China from the internet for a while. It can be done.
The Black Forrest
14-12-2005, 18:21
This isn't news. China and even people in allied countries have been doing this for years.
Silliopolous
14-12-2005, 18:21
Ooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh those dirty dastardly Chineese!!!
We good guys would NEEEEEEEEVER do anything like that!
I mean, what the fuck are the odds that the CIA, DIA, or NSA have large groups of people dedicated to gathering electronic intel from foreign governments?
I mean really!
What are the odds?
Laurentius Invinctus
14-12-2005, 18:21
Economic sanctions? Then who will produce our computers, tv's, dvd-players, clothes etc.?
Hooray for boobs
14-12-2005, 18:26
This isn't news. China and even people in allied countries have been doing this for years.
Allied countries? Who're the Axis then?
Cluichstan
14-12-2005, 18:27
Happens everyday. *shrug*
The Black Forrest
14-12-2005, 18:28
Allied countries? Who're the Axis then?
Not WWII you twit! ;)
Countries that we have treaties with as in Germany for example. England is another.
Note: I should have said citizens who were not sponsored by the goverment.
Point being: The goverment systems are always under attack.....
The Soviet Americas
14-12-2005, 18:29
Maybe disconnect China from the internet for a while. It can be done.
/lol. No, it can't. Oh yeah, unless you block the entire Chinese block of IP addresses from the Main Internet Servar©.
The only thing that bothers me about the Chinese is that they spend a lot of time farming stuff on WoW.
The Black Forrest
14-12-2005, 18:29
I mean, what the fuck are the odds that the CIA, DIA, or NSA have large groups of people dedicated to gathering electronic intel from foreign governments?
You will be visted by officials for violating the patriot act!
NSA for sure ;)
Drunk commies deleted
14-12-2005, 18:31
Ooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh those dirty dastardly Chineese!!!
We good guys would NEEEEEEEEVER do anything like that!
I mean, what the fuck are the odds that the CIA, DIA, or NSA have large groups of people dedicated to gathering electronic intel from foreign governments?
I mean really!
What are the odds?
It's not what you do, it's what you get caught doing.
Drunk commies deleted
14-12-2005, 18:32
Economic sanctions? Then who will produce our computers, tv's, dvd-players, clothes etc.?
Maybe India, maybe Thailand or the Philipines. Maybe we can throw some business toward some impoverished African countries.
The Black Forrest
14-12-2005, 18:33
It's not what you do, it's what you get caught doing.
Exactly. There are no laws until you are caught.
Gothamique
14-12-2005, 18:35
Maybe India, maybe Thailand or the Philipines. Maybe we can throw some business toward some impoverished African countries.
That would be fun.
Hooray for boobs
14-12-2005, 18:35
Not WWII you twit! ;)
Countries that we have treaties with as in Germany for example. England is another.
Note: I should have said citizens who were not sponsored by the goverment.
Point being: The goverment systems are always under attack.....
Who is "we".
Marrakech II
14-12-2005, 18:36
/lol. No, it can't. Oh yeah, unless you block the entire Chinese block of IP addresses from the Main Internet Servar©.
The only thing that bothers me about the Chinese is that they spend a lot of time farming stuff on WoW.
Ok you say it can't be done. Then you say it can be done by blocking the main root servers. No s***, that is what I was talking about.;)
Franberry
14-12-2005, 18:37
Is it an act of war? Maybe that could have some merit. But what they need to do is do the same thing back. Maybe disconnect China from the internet for a while. It can be done.
then whos gonna farm for gold?
Aylestone
14-12-2005, 18:37
You will be visted by officials for violating the patriot act!
NSA for sure ;)
In that case..... Bomb, President, up Arabia, Washington DC, George W. Bush.... War for oil, profiteers.
Oh and for luck..... ECHELON!
German Nightmare
14-12-2005, 18:40
http://www.studip.uni-goettingen.de/pictures/smile/hacker.gif___http://www.studip.uni-goettingen.de/pictures/smile/hier.gif___http://www.studip.uni-goettingen.de/pictures/smile/crash.gif
___USA____Europe__China
___Hehe, it's a conspiracy!
The Black Forrest
14-12-2005, 18:51
http://www.studip.uni-goettingen.de/pictures/smile/hacker.gif___http://www.studip.uni-goettingen.de/pictures/smile/hier.gif___http://www.studip.uni-goettingen.de/pictures/smile/crash.gif
___USA____Europe__China
___Hehe, it's a conspiracy!
Eww Bonus points! I like that! :D
Jonothana
14-12-2005, 21:09
Is it an act of war? Maybe that could have some merit. But what they need to do is do the same thing back. Maybe disconnect China from the internet for a while. It can be done.
You don't seem to understand the Internet, nor the political situation surrounding it at the moment. It really can't. It would take a LOT of effort - plus, America could only deny them access from the root DNS servers via ICANN, they'd then have to persuade every ISP not to allow connections from China (then there's proxies, IP masking, stuff like that.) This is what the Internet was built for - and why they call it a network - no real way to stop it at one central locations.
Plus, since ICANN's supposed to be independant, government interferance, especially on these grounds, would be suicide. They've just won the right to keep it, but one shred of evidence they'll abuse/have abused their power and they can kiss the root servers good bye.
Sel Appa
14-12-2005, 21:15
Cool.
Marrakech II
14-12-2005, 21:23
You don't seem to understand the Internet, nor the political situation surrounding it at the moment. It really can't. It would take a LOT of effort - plus, America could only deny them access from the root DNS servers via ICANN, they'd then have to persuade every ISP not to allow connections from China (then there's proxies, IP masking, stuff like that.) This is what the Internet was built for - and why they call it a network - no real way to stop it at one central locations.
Plus, since ICANN's supposed to be independant, government interferance, especially on these grounds, would be suicide. They've just won the right to keep it, but one shred of evidence they'll abuse/have abused their power and they can kiss the root servers good bye.
The scenerio I described can always be done. You would seem to think that America wouldn't protect it's interests if need be. Yes this can be done. Now would all access be taken out. Most likely not all but the vast majority of traffic could be disrupted. As in Iraq during the war most internet traffic was ground to a halt. Not due to actually blocking the root servers. Was due to a massive spam attack that tied up the Internet inside Iraq.
German Nightmare
15-12-2005, 01:59
Eww Bonus points! I like that! :D
Yay! Ding ding ding.
(You wouldn't believe how long I looked for a computer-smiley facing left...)
So just because the hackers MIGHT have been told to do it by the Chinese government they should get sanctions...haha. If it was from the Chinese gov it was probably a low down corrupt offical