Religion and NationStates
Catholis
14-12-2005, 16:48
I enjoy the forums of NationStates immensely because of the efforts of many to have fun and to discuss opinions. However, there seems to bigotry on all sides. Religion and Christianity have been prime targets.
Within a day of registering my country of Catholis (a free republic based on the morals of my upbringing) I was greeted by a bigot who believe the Catholic Church practiced witchcraft and any other religion but Protestant Christianity worshipped the "Antichrist"
On the forums many have outright attacked Christian principals in beliefs. Going further, several days ago I saw a post which attacked Buddhism because it hasn't been attacked before! Bigotry abound!
While Christian history does have its dark spots, the entirety of Western Civilization as we know it stems from religious-cultural background of our founders.
Atheism has been responsible for many deaths from Revolutionary France to Soviet Russia. Luther was responsible for the bloody peasant rebellion which killed 250,000 people. But it is wrong to place the blame on a person today for these actions or pressure him or her with these facts.
Can't we all get along?
Deep Kimchi
14-12-2005, 16:50
This is NS, the international pressure-cooker for all ideas and beliefs.
If you come here, expect people to bombard you with accusations and demand answers, regardless of your beliefs.
UpwardThrust
14-12-2005, 16:52
This is NS, the international pressure-cooker for all ideas and beliefs.
If you come here, expect people to bombard you with accusations and demand answers, regardless of your beliefs.
Exactly what fun would a debate forum be if we were not debating things
If you cant handle that ... quit
Anagonia
14-12-2005, 16:52
Three words:
IT DOESN'T MIX
Bitchkitten
14-12-2005, 16:52
Obviously not. As long as one group insists on imposing its will and moral code on another will we never have peace. Getting along requires leaving the other guy alone and agreeing to disagree.
Um...
*Holds a brick over his head*
I'll just say this...I'd agree with ya, but tis a bad idea to discuss religion on these forums. Just leads to BAD KARMA!
*Thinks*
Damn...
*Bashes self over the head*
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
14-12-2005, 16:52
If you come here, expect people to bombard you with accusations and demand answers, regardless of your beliefs.
Or you can just be a Bastardly Atheist. People can't reall slander your name when you've already admitted to hating people and personally wishing to be the Anti-Christ.
UpwardThrust
14-12-2005, 16:54
Or you can just be a Bastardly Atheist. People can't reall slander your name when you've already admitted to hating people and personally wishing to be the Anti-Christ.
Lol just to note you are normaly really good at sarcasm but not sure this one carried like how you were meaning :fluffle: :fluffle:
Smunkeeville
14-12-2005, 16:58
Exactly what fun would a debate forum be if we were not debating things
If you cant handle that ... quit
I think it's rather fun to debate Christianity with some of you. I don't understand why other Christians wouldn't enjoy it. (you know as long as everything is civil)
Possibley the only religion that hasn't been bashed here is satanisim.(Just got the feeling its about to be!);)
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
14-12-2005, 17:03
Lol just to note you are normaly really good at sarcasm but not sure this one carried like how you were meaning :fluffle: :fluffle:
Subtle like a sledge hammer
Yeah, "all mankind" should replace the second "people", and various other tweaking based etceteras. Can't edit my post, though, and so the record will just have to stand as it is.
UpwardThrust
14-12-2005, 17:04
I think it's rather fun to debate Christianity with some of you. I don't understand why other Christians wouldn't enjoy it. (you know as long as everything is civil)
Yup just as I dont mind debating agnosticsm or atheism or bisexuality or any of that other stuff with which I identify and tends to get picked on in different threads
I find it intresting to talk about all kinds of stuff
Smunkeeville
14-12-2005, 17:04
Possibley the only religion that hasn't been bashed here is satanisim.(Just got the feeling its about to be!);)
actually there have been threds where people bashed satanism. There are actually a few LaVey satanists around here that get a lot of crap sometimes. ;)
Possibley the only religion that hasn't been bashed here is satanisim.(Just got the feeling its about to be!);)
Okay. Satanism is nothing more than a form of reactionary Christianity in that it does not deny the existence of the Christian trinity. Discuss.
;)
UpwardThrust
14-12-2005, 17:06
Possibley the only religion that hasn't been bashed here is satanisim.(Just got the feeling its about to be!);)
You have not been around enough lol
There are less of them specialy around here, people discuss things that effect them
Somehow satanism does not have a massive impact
Smunkeeville
14-12-2005, 17:06
Yup just as I dont mind debating agnosticsm or atheism or bisexuality or any of that other stuff with which I identify and tends to get picked on in different threads
I find it intresting to talk about all kinds of stuff
I find it helpful to debate it, especially with people like you who actually have intelligent points and make me think. I figure the more I have to think about it, and the more I have to research it, then the more intelligent I get about it.
actually there have been threds where people bashed satanism. There are actually a few LaVey satanists around here that get a lot of crap sometimes. ;)
Hve the Hindus been bashed yet.I'm looking for a religion to bash that hasn't been done yet.:gundge: ;)
Monkeypimp
14-12-2005, 17:07
Okay. Satanism is nothing more than a form of reactionary Christianity in that it does not deny the existence of the Christian trinity. Discuss.
;)
If jesus comes back we'll kill him again?
Smunkeeville
14-12-2005, 17:08
Hve the Hindus been bashed yet.I'm looking for a religion to bash that hasn't been done yet.:gundge: ;)
yep, although not often.
I don't see much Wicca bashing around here, but it's kinda dangerous to bash someone who can put a spell on you, so I would recomend leaving them alone:p
Just a quick head wreck, given that Jesus spent nine hrs dying on the cross and Judas got eternity in hell even though Jusus knew he was going to betray him and did nothing to stop it.Which suffered more for humanity.:D
If jesus comes back we'll kill him again?
I don't know exactly how it works. I haven't bothered to read the Satanic bible.
Hve the Hindus been bashed yet.I'm looking for a religion to bash that hasn't been done yet.:gundge: ;)
Too easy. The caste system...
yep, although not often.
I don't see much Wicca bashing around here, but it's kinda dangerous to bash someone who can put a spell on you, so I would recomend leaving them alone:p
Lets try bashing voodoo.Well maybe not.Might be worse than wicca!
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
14-12-2005, 17:13
Somehow satanism does not have a massive impact
Probably cause it is the result of a drug-addled drooling idiot (Anton Levey) who plagarized just about everything of value in his "Bible" (The original idea of which was thought up by his publishers as a way to generate easy cash and controversy) and then put in some random crap to pad out the page number a bit.
Dada, Satanism soundly bashed.
I don't see much Wicca bashing around here, but it's kinda dangerous to bash someone who can put a spell on you, so I would recomend leaving them alone
The first time I was incarnated here (about a year ago, I think) there was quite a bit of fighting between the Xtians and the Wiccans.
Now, has anyone here ever taken up the good fight against Odin?
Monkeypimp
14-12-2005, 17:14
Lets try bashing voodoo.Well maybe not.Might be worse than wicca!
After watching Safran vs God, I have to say I'm not totally in agreement with the whole 'biting the testicles off a goat' thing that voodoo types do..
Probably cause it is the result of a drug-addled drooling idiot (Anton Levey) who plagarized just about everything of value in his "Bible" (The original idea of which was thought up by his publishers as a way to generate easy cash and controversy) and then put in some random crap to pad out the page number a bit.
Dada, Satanism soundly bashed.
The first time I was incarnated here (about a year ago, I think) there was quite a bit of fighting between the Xtians and the Wiccans.
Now, has anyone here ever taken up the good fight against Odin?
Nooooo! Odin would bash back..big hammer and all!
Smunkeeville
14-12-2005, 17:16
Just a quick head wreck, given that Jesus spent nine hrs dying on the cross and Judas got eternity in hell even though Jusus knew he was going to betray him and did nothing to stop it.Which suffered more for humanity.:D
how do you know that Judas went to hell? Do you have a list of residents there or something?
I don't believe there is any scripture to back up that assertion, if there is I would be happy if someone posted it.
After watching Saffron vs God, I have to say I'm not totally in agreement with the whole 'biting the testicles off a goat' thing that voodoo types do..
Oohh *crossing legs and looking very concerned*Hope they don't do that to people.Probably best to let voodoo alone
how do you know that Judas went to hell? Do you have a list of residents there or something?
I don't believe there is any scripture to back up that assertion, if there is I would be happy if someone posted it.
Sorry was thinking of Dante instead of bible.Although when J.C said "it would have been better had that man never been born" I suppose its got to be bad
Smunkeeville
14-12-2005, 17:22
Sorry was thinking of Dante instead of bible
yeah, that happens a lot. :p
Bvimb VI
14-12-2005, 17:30
Nooooo! Odin would bash back..big hammer and all!
Noooooooo! Thats Thor! Odin is the one with one eye and two raven(s?).
Never mix up your nordic gods! :mad:
Noooooooo! Thats Thor! Odin is the one with one eye and two raven(s?).
Never mix up your nordic gods! :mad:
Ok!lets review.So far today I've mixed up the Bible for Dante's Inferno & Thor for Odin.Got to lay off the wacky-backy and ju-ju juice.*Takes another swig!*
Bvimb VI
14-12-2005, 17:35
Ok!lets review.So far today I've mixed up the Bible for Dante's Inferno & Thor for Odin.Got to lay off the wacky-backy and ju-ju juice.*Takes another swig!*
That stuff´s bad for you. Drink mead.
That stuff´s bad for you. Drink mead.
Nah! I'll stick with Irish Poitin.Pure rocket feul, although slightly illegal.:D
Sol Giuldor
14-12-2005, 17:42
Absolutely Christianity is bashed, but I am the guy who bashes back! Lets just note I started 2 Crusades, an orbital bombardment of an Anti0-Christian nation, and led several anti-Big Bang arguments.
GOOOOOO CATHOLICS!
Protestants are ok someitmes....
Sol Giuldor
14-12-2005, 17:43
Has anybody noticed the forum post time is very off?
Anybodybutbushia
14-12-2005, 17:44
Can't we all get along?
Sure why not.
You must admit that bashing Bhuddism solely because it has not been attacked is comic genius. I never bothered to open that thread but I laughed just reading your comment on it.
People are just going to express their point of view on these forums, be it political views, religious or beer (I love the beer post). If we all shared the same ideas - it would be quite boring.
Armistria
14-12-2005, 17:48
Umm..Hello you do realise that starting this thread is openly inviting people to mock your faith, right? It's the internet you will get mocked regardless of faith. Live with it.
Armistria
14-12-2005, 17:49
Has anybody noticed the forum post time is very off?
That's funny it seems right by my watch...
Sure why not.
You must admit that bashing Bhuddism solely because it has not been attacked is comic genius. I never bothered to open that thread but I laughed just reading your comment on it.
People are just going to express their point of view on these forums, be it political views, religious or beer (I love the beer post). If we all shared the same ideas - it would be quite boring.
http://www.serve.com/cmtan/buddhism/Lighter/shortstories.html
Buddism jokes anyone
Skibereen
14-12-2005, 17:51
I enjoy the forums of NationStates immensely because of the efforts of many to have fun and to discuss opinions. However, there seems to bigotry on all sides. Religion and Christianity have been prime targets.
Within a day of registering my country of Catholis (a free republic based on the morals of my upbringing) I was greeted by a bigot who believe the Catholic Church practiced witchcraft and any other religion but Protestant Christianity worshipped the "Antichrist"
On the forums many have outright attacked Christian principals in beliefs. Going further, several days ago I saw a post which attacked Buddhism because it hasn't been attacked before! Bigotry abound!
While Christian history does have its dark spots, the entirety of Western Civilization as we know it stems from religious-cultural background of our founders.
Atheism has been responsible for many deaths from Revolutionary France to Soviet Russia. Luther was responsible for the bloody peasant rebellion which killed 250,000 people. But it is wrong to place the blame on a person today for these actions or pressure him or her with these facts.
Can't we all get along?
If you are looking for reasonable people with high intelligence and good debate skills who will discuss things in a mature manner and treat each other with respect regardless of differences of belief--go to a Klan rally, you would have more luck there then NS. People here just dont know their stupid tactless bigots.
Welcome to NS.
If you are looking for reasonable people with high intelligence and good debate skills who will discuss things in a mature manner and treat each other with respect regardless of differences of belief--go to a Klan rally, you would have more luck there then NS. People here just dont know their stupid tactless bigots.
Welcome to NS.
Hey! I resemble that remark!;)
Skibereen
14-12-2005, 18:14
Hey! I resemble that remark!;)
You go to Klan rallies, or you dont know you're a tactless stupid bigot?;)
You go to Klan rallies, or you dont know you're a tactless stupid bigot?;)
Both!! Those pillow cases really bring out the red in my eyes!!:p.Also the cross burnings are really handy for toasting marsh mellows!!(Joking,joking)
The Black Forrest
14-12-2005, 18:18
If you are looking for reasonable people with high intelligence and good debate skills who will discuss things in a mature manner and treat each other with respect regardless of differences of belief--go to a Klan rally, you would have more luck there then NS. People here just dont know their stupid tactless bigots.
Welcome to NS.
Accepting one's faults is the first step to correcting them! Good for you! -forgot- :p
Skibereen
14-12-2005, 18:38
Accepting one's faults is the first step to correcting them! Good for you! -forgot- :p
Those were the strong points.
Willamena
14-12-2005, 19:57
I think it's rather fun to debate Christianity with some of you. I don't understand why other Christians wouldn't enjoy it. (you know as long as everything is civil)
That is a good attitude. I think it is fun to learn about Christianity through so many different eyes as I see here on NS. Everyone has a slightly different slant on it.
UpwardThrust
14-12-2005, 20:12
I find it helpful to debate it, especially with people like you who actually have intelligent points and make me think. I figure the more I have to think about it, and the more I have to research it, then the more intelligent I get about it.
True that:fluffle: :fluffle:
Can't we all get along?
Sure we can, just join our cult of the Flying Spagetti Monster and all will be well :p
Absolutely Christianity is bashed, but I am the guy who bashes back! Lets just note I started 2 Crusades, an orbital bombardment of an Anti0-Christian nation, and led several anti-Big Bang arguments.
GOOOOOO CATHOLICS!
Protestants are ok someitmes....
*Reads post & tries to make sense of it*
Nah, can't understand a word of it, must be a Christian....:D
UpwardThrust
15-12-2005, 06:57
That is a good attitude. I think it is fun to learn about Christianity through so many different eyes as I see here on NS. Everyone has a slightly different slant on it.
Lol I may be an atheist agnostic with bad ties with christianity and a history of abuse by catholics but I still can debate civily I love learning from people