NationStates Jolt Archive


Is the Pentagon Spying on US Citizens?

The Nazz
14-12-2005, 16:40
The answer seems to be Yes (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10454316/).

Now before this goes too far, I want to make something clear here--I believe the DoD should have some limited intelligence capability inside the US, for the express purpose of protecting their bases and personnel. I'll be the first to admit that there are some extremists in the anti-war movement who believe violence against the US military is justified, and the DoD is right to try to protect itself.

But what the article points out is that it seems the DoD may be overstepping those limited bounds and collecting information on people without cause.

WASHINGTON - A year ago, at a Quaker Meeting House in Lake Worth, Fla., a small group of activists met to plan a protest of military recruiting at local high schools. What they didn't know was that their meeting had come to the attention of the U.S. military.

A secret 400-page Defense Department document obtained by NBC News lists the Lake Worth meeting as a “threat” and one of more than 1,500 “suspicious incidents” across the country over a recent 10-month period.

“This peaceful, educationally oriented group being a threat is incredible,” says Evy Grachow, a member of the Florida group called The Truth Project.

“This is incredible,” adds group member Rich Hersh. “It's an example of paranoia by our government,” he says. “We're not doing anything illegal.”

The Defense Department document is the first inside look at how the U.S. military has stepped up intelligence collection inside this country since 9/11, which now includes the monitoring of peaceful anti-war and counter-military recruitment groups. The entire article is three pages long, so I won't excerpt any more of it here, but I have to say that this bothers me greatly. I shouldn't have to worry that my face and my identity will wind up in a DoD database simply because I exercise my right to protest, especially if I do so in a peaceful manner.
Deep Kimchi
14-12-2005, 16:41
I didn't even protest, and I know for a fact I'm in several government databases.

I never committed any crime. I only went to a military school - and since I graduated, I'm right into more databases than I'll ever know.
The Nazz
14-12-2005, 16:44
I didn't even protest, and I know for a fact I'm in several government databases.

I never committed any crime. I only went to a military school - and since I graduated, I'm right into more databases than I'll ever know.
I don't know for certain that I am--the paranoid side of me suspects that I am, considering my outspokenness on issues across several media fora, but I've never been singled out for special treatment in an airport or anything like that. Maybe I'm like earth--mostly harmless. :)
Teh_pantless_hero
14-12-2005, 16:44
I didn't even protest, and I know for a fact I'm in several government databases.

I never committed any crime. I only went to a military school - and since I graduated, I'm right into more databases than I'll ever know.
I suspect you are in government databases for advocating the carrying around of more ammo than Gordon Freeman and getting into regular shoot outs at the mall.
Bolol
14-12-2005, 16:46
I don't know what to say. This is dispicable.

One of our founding principles is the right to peaceful protest, it makes me sick that the government is still trying to undermine our rights.

As for recruitment in schools, I agree. The benefits preached about military service are flimsy at best, and propaganda at worst. And to be honest, when I'm working to get into college, the last thing I need is someone distracting me.
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
14-12-2005, 16:46
The entire article is three pages long, so I won't excerpt any more of it here, but I have to say that this bothers me greatly. I shouldn't have to worry that my face and my identity will wind up in a DoD database simply because I exercise my right to protest, especially if I do so in a peaceful manner.
Then its your fault for protesting. Really, why go and do a silly thing like excercise your first amendment rights? The government obviously knows what is best for you and the world.
Obviously.

(Oh, and for complaining about being added to The List of Protestors, you have now been added to The List of Protestors Against the First List of Protestors)
The Nazz
14-12-2005, 16:47
Then its your fault for protesting. Really, why go and do a silly thing like excercise your first amendment rights? The government obviously knows what is best for you and the world.
Obviously.

(Oh, and for complaining about being added to The List of Protestors, you have now been added to The List of Protestors Against the First List of Protestors)
A list I am proud to be associated with, I assure you.
Deep Kimchi
14-12-2005, 16:48
I suspect you are in government databases for advocating the carrying around of more ammo than Gordon Freeman and getting into regular shoot outs at the mall.
No, all you have to do is attend, and graduate from the US Army Sniper School.
Cannot think of a name
14-12-2005, 16:50
I don't know for certain that I am--the paranoid side of me suspects that I am, considering my outspokenness on issues across several media fora, but I've never been singled out for special treatment in an airport or anything like that. Maybe I'm like earth--mostly harmless. :)
This is where living in Santa Cruz bails me out. No matter how bad I am I got six neighbors on one street that drown me out. I can be as politically outspoken as I want and I still wouldn't make a ripple here compared to half the rest of the population...
Anagonia
14-12-2005, 16:51
I know for a fact I';m being watched! Muahahahahahahhahaahhahahahahaha!


Seriously, as long as they don't point any guns at me or try to kill me or be obvious about watching me or whatnot, then I won't do anything drastic...which would mean just yelling at them and going on with my life.

The Union will fall one day anyway, so *shurgs* So long as the South takes back its heritage in a Non-Racial way, I'm happy.
Sdaeriji
14-12-2005, 16:54
I'm in so many government databases because of my job. If I ever committed a crime, they'd have me apprehended in 5 minutes.
Bolol
14-12-2005, 16:56
Actually, might not be a bad thing...If they have cameras everywhere, that means I can continually flip off the man.
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
14-12-2005, 16:57
A list I am proud to be associated with, I assure you.
That had better not be sarcasm. Just to be on the safe side, you've been added The List of People Who Are Sarcastic About Lists.
Watch it, or you go on The List of People Who Think All These Lists Are Rather Silly, and when your on four lists you can't get a licence to operate heavy machinery.
Hydesland
14-12-2005, 16:58
your all idiots..
Deep Kimchi
14-12-2005, 16:59
your all idiots..
Would you care to elucidate?
Bolol
14-12-2005, 16:59
your all idiots..

Why thank you...I love you too...
The Nazz
14-12-2005, 17:02
That had better not be sarcasm. Just to be on the safe side, you've been added The List of People Who Are Sarcastic About Lists.
Watch it, or you go on The List of People Who Think All These Lists Are Rather Silly, and when your on four lists you can't get a licence to operate heavy machinery.
Don't know that I could get such a license, well, not after the incident with the forklift and my former boss's wife anyway.
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
14-12-2005, 17:07
your all idiots..
Is that so?? You're mystifying me with your whimsical grammar and punctuation,, and so I have a hard time following what you're saying..
Cannot think of a name
14-12-2005, 17:10
your all idiots..
What about our all idiots?

Ha haaa...grammar joke, thrown from my glass house...