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hey everyone, i posted something like this a while ago, but i need to get this off my chest. Ahem...THERE IS NO WAY A GIANT GORILLA COULD KILL A TYRANNOSAURUS, I KNOW IT'S SMARTER AND IT'S STRONG BUT A GORILLA ISN'T STRONG ENOUGH TO KEEP A T-REX, WHICH HAS THE MOST POWERFUL BITE OF ANY VERTEBRATE KNOWN TO MAN, FROM CLOSING IT'S MOUTH! IT HAS NO WAY OF KILLING IT, AND ONE BITE FROM A T-REX WILL BREAK BONES AND RENDER LIMBS USELESS! Anyway, reply to this if you agree with me, I can't be the only one who believes this, and please don't mock me for my beliefs on this, I am an avid dinosaur freak.

Dude its a movie. In the same movie brody out runs kong in a WW1 era car. Realism isn't the overall goal of the movie.

I agree

hey everyone, i posted something like this a while ago, but i need to get this off my chest. Ahem...THERE IS NO WAY A GIANT GORILLA COULD KILL A TYRANNOSAURUS, I KNOW IT'S SMARTER AND IT'S STRONG BUT A GORILLA ISN'T STRONG ENOUGH TO KEEP A T-REX, WHICH HAS THE MOST POWERFUL BITE OF ANY VERTEBRATE KNOWN TO MAN, FROM CLOSING IT'S MOUTH! IT HAS NO WAY OF KILLING IT, AND ONE BITE FROM A T-REX WILL BREAK BONES AND RENDER LIMBS USELESS! Anyway, reply to this if you agree with me, I can't be the only one who believes this, and please don't mock me for my beliefs on this, I am an avid dinosaur freak.

You sure?

Erm, what the hell?

No way man.. tyranosaurus has weak chickenlike legs, and birdlike front arms.. Kong would smash its head in.. tyranosaurus's teeth are like dull butterknives versus the foot-thick hide of a 30-foot ape, no question.

Kong > T. Rex

Someone thinks about silly things too much.

Psst. It's a movie not a documentary.

I don't recall any gorillas ever having reached the height of Kong.

Also, they didn't know that much about Gorillas when the movie was made.

As Vegas-Rex, I feel I should post in this thread. I have nothing more to say.

well thanks for your posts, event though i asked not to be mocked. well i guess im the only freak who thinks that Jack horner is wrong about a weak trex, and i guess no one cares about this thing anyway

well thanks for your posts, event though i asked not to be mocked. well i guess im the only freak who thinks that Jack horner is wrong about a weak trex, and i guess no one cares about this thing anyway

well thanks for your posts, event though i asked not to be mocked.

Welcome to General!

Make sure you wear your armour when conversing here! :D

Welcome to General!

Make sure you wear your armour when conversing here! :D

But no armor protects from the vorpal tongue blade. And I'll be damned if everyone but me has one on here. :mad:

well thanks for your posts, event though i asked not to be mocked. well i guess im the only freak who thinks that Jack horner is wrong about a weak trex, and i guess no one cares about this thing anyway

Oooh.. look who thinks they know more than Jack Horner.. :rolleyes:

Everyone's an expert on the Internet.. :rolleyes:

i never said i knew more than jack horner, but he is one of the few paleontologists that believe T-rex was a scavenger only. This makes no sense because without a main predator to fill in the food chain, the food chain collapses. The only predator that we know of in T-rex's area were it lived was T-rex itself. Most other paleontologists agree it was oppurtunistic. Lately though, Horner has been using movies "cough JP3 cough" to try to prove his point.

Oooh.. look who thinks they know more than Jack Horner.. :rolleyes:

Everyone's an expert on the Internet.. :rolleyes:

*coughsPOTcoughs*

:p

i never said i knew more than jack horner, but he is one of the few paleontologists that believe T-rex was a scavenger only. This makes no sense because without a main predator to fill in the food chain, the food chain collapses. The only predator that we know of in T-rex's area were it lived was T-rex itself. Most other paleontologists agree it was oppurtunistic. Lately though, Horner has been using movies "cough JP3 cough" to try to prove his point.

Sure, but what about Dilophosaurus and/or Ceratsaurus? Eh?

Dilophosaurus and Ceratosaurus lived during the Jurassic Period, Tyrannosaurus Rex lived in the Cretaceous, some 100 million years later. The continents were seperated, so none of the other large carnivores of the time like Tarbosaurus or Abelosarus could enter. So logically, Tyrannosaurus had to at the very least be oppurtunistic

Next you'll be telling us that gorillas don't get to 30 feet tall...

Haven't seen the movie yet, so I don't even know if Kong successfully holds the mouth open or just tries, the trailer cuts off right as Kong grabs the Rex.

Who knows what has happened to T-Rex's on that tiny little island over the course of 65 million years. Or to Kong to get that big.

Dilophosaurus and Ceratosaurus lived during the Jurassic Period, Tyrannosaurus Rex lived in the Cretaceous, some 100 million years later. The continents were seperated, so none of the other large carnivores of the time like Tarbosaurus or Abelosarus could enter. So logically, Tyrannosaurus had to at the very least be oppurtunistic

Well, that may be what the fossil record says.. so far. But the book hasn't been totally written there, has it.. I think there was some crossover, as well as some tricky stuff going on with Ornithomimus and Deinonychus, as well as possibly Charcharodontosaurus.. I think it's pretty clear.

As Vegas-Rex, I feel I should post in this thread. I have nothing more to say.
Ditto.

hey everyone, i posted something like this a while ago, but i need to get this off my chest. Ahem...THERE IS NO WAY A GIANT GORILLA COULD KILL A TYRANNOSAURUS, I KNOW IT'S SMARTER AND IT'S STRONG BUT A GORILLA ISN'T STRONG ENOUGH TO KEEP A T-REX, WHICH HAS THE MOST POWERFUL BITE OF ANY VERTEBRATE KNOWN TO MAN, FROM CLOSING IT'S MOUTH! IT HAS NO WAY OF KILLING IT, AND ONE BITE FROM A T-REX WILL BREAK BONES AND RENDER LIMBS USELESS! Anyway, reply to this if you agree with me, I can't be the only one who believes this, and please don't mock me for my beliefs on this, I am an avid dinosaur freak.
Now come on. Think about just how strong your average gorilla is. It's shorter than a man, yet way way wayyyyyyy stronger.
While they've never been tested, estimates vary from 10 way up to 30 times stronger than a man the same size.
So if we accept even the lowest estimate, they're bloody strong.

Now we have one that is 6 times taller than your average gorilla. Because of the extra mass, it wouldn't just be 6 times stronger. It'd be prob be like 10-15 times stronger. It'd also weigh like 3 tonnes minimum, which makes Kong about equal in weight to a T-Rex.

Thus, we have an animal at least 100 times stronger than a man, and possibly up to 400 times as strong. Which would make Kong easily able to pick a T-Rex up and smash it.

My money's on Kong.

Thus, we have an animal at least 100 times stronger than a man, and possibly up to 400 times as strong. Which would make Kong easily able to pick a T-Rex up and smash it.

My money's on Kong.

Exactly. Kong could easily punt T.Rex like 40 yards, no problem.

Well, that may be what the fossil record says.. so far. But the book hasn't been totally written there, has it.. I think there was some crossover, as well as some tricky stuff going on with Ornithomimus and Deinonychus, as well as possibly Charcharodontosaurus.. I think it's pretty clear.

Deinonychus maybe, but I don't know that the Charcharodonts had the size or speed to really bring down a Trike, especially one in the herd. Rexxie does.

Horner bases his argument primarily on ground speed. But I think he ignores the fact that a lot of prey in Rexxie's era relied more on herds and horn for defense than running, and the fact that there are some pretty big predators that rely more on stealth than speed to bring down game (lions for instance, although admittedly there is an order-of-magnitude or so difference). The idea that Rexxie was an ambush predator who would also seize something the Deinonychus pack brought down (same as how lions often seize hyena kills) is one that I think makes a lot of sense. Certainly, he is overlooking the fact that there are trike skeletons with partially-healed wounds that match the markings of Rexxie teeth, which kind of suggests that they were alive when Rex tried to make a meal out of them and survived. It further suggests that there are others that didn't.

hey everyone, i posted something like this a while ago, but i need to get this off my chest. Ahem...THERE IS NO WAY A GIANT GORILLA COULD KILL A TYRANNOSAURUS, I KNOW IT'S SMARTER AND IT'S STRONG BUT A GORILLA ISN'T STRONG ENOUGH TO KEEP A T-REX, WHICH HAS THE MOST POWERFUL BITE OF ANY VERTEBRATE KNOWN TO MAN, FROM CLOSING IT'S MOUTH! IT HAS NO WAY OF KILLING IT, AND ONE BITE FROM A T-REX WILL BREAK BONES AND RENDER LIMBS USELESS! Anyway, reply to this if you agree with me, I can't be the only one who believes this, and please don't mock me for my beliefs on this, I am an avid dinosaur freak.

OMGEZZZZZ!!1 ITS ALMOST AS IF IT WAS A TEH MOVIEZZZ!

Seriously man, its a movie. There is no reason to whine that "In real life" or "If that were to happen", because its just non-sensical. Also, in a real fight between a Tyrannosaurus Rex and a 30 foot Gorrila, the Gorrila would definatly win. The Tyrannosaurus sports weak arms and barely stable legs that when faced against the improvisational intelligence and brute force of a 30 foot Gorrila, simply don't prove useful. Its like me giving you a sharks head, breaking your arms and stabbing you in both legs. Its strengths were good for its time and its prey, but the Gorrila is just to physically balenced.

Now I'm no dinosaur expert (everyone's shocked, I know), so I must ask:
How can you tell how powerful T-rex's jaws were? You don't have any muscle tissue, just bone. Sure, you can tell where the muscle attached based on the skull, but can that necessarily tell you how thick or strong the muscle really was?

OMGEZZZZZ!!1 ITS ALMOST AS IF IT WAS A TEH MOVIEZZZ!

Seriously man, its a movie. There is no reason to whine that "In real life" or "If that were to happen", because its just non-sensical. Also, in a real fight between a Tyrannosaurus Rex and a 30 foot Gorrila, the Gorrila would definatly win. The Tyrannosaurus sports weak arms and barely stable legs that when faced against the improvisational intelligence and brute force of a 30 foot Gorrila, simply don't prove useful. Its like me giving you a sharks head, breaking your arms and stabbing you in both legs. Its strengths were good for its time and its prey, but the Gorrila is just to physically balenced.

It isn't quite that bad. Rexxie's arms were small, but if you look at how deeply furrowed they were, they must have been absolutely packed with muscle. Most strong estimates suggest that Rexxie could pick up and carry around 500 lbs. with those scrawny arms you mention. Moreover, those legs are hardly weak: the simple fact that they are carrying around with comparative ease a seven-ton bird attests to that. It's far more likely that Rexxie would be much better compared to a seven-ton ostrich with a croc's bite, a vicious combo (imagine getting kicked by one of those things) and something that even Kong would have trouble dealing with. I agree that a gorilla is more balanced, has hands, and has a primitive intelligence to throw the fight in his favor, but it's not nearly as one-sided as you suggest.

hey everyone, i posted something like this a while ago, but i need to get this off my chest. Ahem...THERE IS NO WAY A GIANT GORILLA COULD KILL A TYRANNOSAURUS, I KNOW IT'S SMARTER AND IT'S STRONG BUT A GORILLA ISN'T STRONG ENOUGH TO KEEP A T-REX, WHICH HAS THE MOST POWERFUL BITE OF ANY VERTEBRATE KNOWN TO MAN, FROM CLOSING IT'S MOUTH! IT HAS NO WAY OF KILLING IT, AND ONE BITE FROM A T-REX WILL BREAK BONES AND RENDER LIMBS USELESS! Anyway, reply to this if you agree with me, I can't be the only one who believes this, and please don't mock me for my beliefs on this, I am an avid dinosaur freak.

KONG
Height: About 25 feet
Species: Unknown, most closely resembles a gigantic version of Gorilla gorilla
Weapons: Sharp teeth, strong hands and arms, a big brain

REX
Height: About 20 feet
Species: Apparently an unusually large Tyrannosaurus rex.
Weapons: About 60 huge, sharp teeth. Large claws on feet and hands.

King Kong is definitely bigger than T. rex, and since it has arms and nasty carnasial teeth, I'd have to say that the Kong would prevail. T. rex has bone-crushing teeth, but nothing to grab with other than its head, which of course isn't of much use if a 10-ton gorilla has a hold of you.

click here http://www.forbes.com/2005/12/08/cx_de_1209kongrex_slide.html

either way, the T-rex had alot more to do damamge with, if a crocodile can bite through steel, im pretty sure a t-rex can bite a serious chunk out of king kong. not to mention, the bacteria in a t-rex's mouth would kill king kong with a good bite, similar to a komodo dragon. all the rex would have to do is give it a good bite and king kong would be dead pretty soon. Alos, King kong doesnt have much of a weapon other than its bare hands to kill a t-rex. Even though it has brute strength, a t-rex would probably still be able to take the blows, alont ith t-rex having claws and teeth and and infectious bite...

Hmmm-

The T-Rex is actually my national animal. I like the 100ft high radioactive fire breathing type. Too bad they don't like Tokyo.

It's a movie meant for entertainment, not a paleontology documentary.

thanks for posting everyone. I know the movie isn't a paleontological masterpiece, but i was kind of annoyed and, to be honest, had a bet with a person who shall remain nameless. He gave in though, so I'm much less psychotic know. Again thanks.

take note that a female gorilla today can brake a Leopards back in one hit easily and accuretly(accuret enough to hit a Leopard in mid jump) as for a T-rex

a T-rex can't move fast, this is for sure. it also can't get up very fast if it falls over because of its small arms. most of the "pray animals" of the Rex would move much faster. a T-rex ambush would be hard in the open where the big pray lived. Triseratops and its relatives had little ability to combat large predators with thier horns. to put it simply a T-rex just isn't cut out to hunt as a predator. i suspect smaller pack hunters where the top predators of the day. though i do not think a movie would use this as it would ruin the big fight. i still bet on Kong

Someone thinks about silly things too much.
It's you, isn't it. Go on, admit it.

Also: Just because a dinosaur had the strongest bite back in the day, doesn't mean some young evolutionary whippersnapper of a GIANT FUCKING APE couldn't crush its skull like an egg. Especially since the ape is ficticious, hence could be superman if the writer wished it.

I just saw him do it man. Kong rocks!

Just got back from the movies (decided against midnight premier TUE->WED 00:05) but went today at 20:00.

Movie is just great. Kong! Kong! Kong! Kong!

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Anyway, reply to this if you agree with me, I can't be the only one who believes this, and please don't mock me for my beliefs on this, I am an avid dinosaur freak.

Man, I love dinosaurs! Used to know them all (until they started discovering more and more and renamed quite a lot). Best one ever: Triceratops :D