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I don't know how original an idea this might be, but I have recently been thinking how interesting it would be if a new addition was made to the Bible... something in todays jargon by all of the latest Christian thinkers - that could be put in plain language for todays Christians. Then I thought "Nah, this would cause way too much bickering within the church as well as who knows how many volumes of rebuttals we will hear from outside the church" and do we really need more senseless bickering and religious chatter.

Instead I would like to hear from you, the spiritually or religiously inclined (those two things aren't necessarily the same) on NS about whom you think the great thinkers are of our time are and should participate in the writing of a new Bible. Would you want it to cover more than just Christian thought? Who are your favorite philosophers and theologians of today?

Personally I would like to see some of the great thinkers from all sides of the spiritual spectrum get together.

One of my favorite writers these days is Eckhart Tolle (The Power Of Now). I also like a guy named Dr. Alberto Villoldo (Shaman, Healer, Sage). I also love to hear the philosophies of Robert Anton Wilson (Cosmic Trigger). I am not up on people who attach themselves to specific religions though because I have a bias against reading stuff that limits it's scope, but that doesn't mean I refuse to hear your thoughts on it.

So speak up, who do you think should be memorialized in "The Newer Testament"

Your link doesn't work.

Er, we call that the Catechism.

For a moment you had me thinking about the possible virtues of Mel Gibson's breakaway!

If you publish something entirely new and include non Judeo-Christian thought, then it isn't really the Bible, is it?

If they make a "Newer Testament" would that make the current "New Testament" the "Rather New Testament"?

Your link doesn't work.
And the humour is lost. It just drained away. You should visit http://www.the_school_of_just_kidding.com

What happened to the Orange Catholic Bible?

lol my poll sucks

What happened to the Orange Catholic Bible? ORANGEMEN?

TO ARMS!

As I was saying, the compilation of Catholic theological and interpretational thought is called the Catechism (http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/ccc_toc.htm).

If they make a "Newer Testament" would that make the current "New Testament" the "Rather New Testament"?
Perhaps it would be the "Fairly Recent Testament." Or they'd call it the Old Testament and rename the current Old Testament "Old Testament Classic".

Er, we call that the Catechism.

For a moment you had me thinking about the possible virtues of Mel Gibson's breakaway!

What do you call the Chatechism?

If you publish something entirely new and include non Judeo-Christian thought, then it isn't really the Bible, is it?

it is if we say it is isn't it?

What do you call the Chatechism? http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/ccc_toc.htm

What happened to the Orange Catholic Bible?


Never heard of it... Did they change the color to make the old book seem like a new release?

What happened to the Orange Catholic Bible?

I don't think that will be written for another 10,000 years or so...

it is if we say it is isn't it?
You can call anything anything, it doesn't mean people will buy it.

Perhaps it would be the "Fairly Recent Testament." Or they'd call it the Old Testament and rename the current Old Testament "Old Testament Classic".
Or maybe now that they had a trilogy, God could go with the titles I suggested at the beggining of the Universe:
The Bible: God Begins
The Bible II: Electric Boogaloo
The Bible III: God with a Vengeance

http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/ccc_toc.htm

Gah - can't you just gimve me a synopsis? IS that old teachings re-written in new language? Is it new thinkers with ideas that break away from the older teachings at all?

I was listening to this priest on talk radio that was very well versed in many religions, and made some fascinating connections between different theological philosophies. I really respected what the guy had to say because he was willing to give credit where credit was due when it came to borrowed philosophies and he also didn't agree with the way the Bible was interpreted so literally by so many.

Is it new thinkers with ideas that break away from the older teachings at all? Ahem... this is Catholicism. We're like Edmund Burke, we believe in very very gradual and slow change and only if absolutely necessary to combat a particular problem. ;)
I was listening to this priest on talk radio that was very well versed in many religions, and made some fascinating connections between different theological philosophies. I really respected what the guy had to say because he was willing to give credit where credit was due when it came to borrowed philosophies and he also didn't agree with the way the Bible was interpreted so literally by so many. Yes, Benedict recently condemned the literalist fundamentalism that's been springing up.

I see what you mean about a chronological compilation of theology. I don't know if one exists - I don't think it does. Maybe I can send an email to the Vatican webmaster or something;)... a big project to get all the "official" works on the site in one downloadable place (thus avoiding legal ramifications) would actually be great. It'd make arguments much easier, for one. :D

I don't think that will be written for another 10,000 years or so...
Mmmh... too bad. It would help a lot.

You can call anything anything, it doesn't mean people will buy it.


People bought the pet rock! lol

anyway my question was what do YOU think shoudl be done or not done. I don't personally see the Catholic church accepting anything that isn't strictly Christian thought, but I did wonder if regular ol' Christians would.


ALl of this is just silly talk and speculation.

DO you have any favorite writers that have good spiritual information that you think the world could benefit from? Do you see anything to the idea of getting todays greatest minds together to collaborate on a project?

Why is there no option for people who are neither spiritual nor religious!? :mad:
There's already enough bigotted crap as is, no need for more of it. :rolleyes:

Why is there no option for people who are neither spiritual nor religious!? :mad:
There's already enough bigotted crap as is, no need for more of it. :rolleyes: So kindly stop adding to it.

"Other than Christian" includes atheists, wouldn't you say?

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Damn that link didn't work! And I so wanted to enroll!

So kindly stop adding to it.

"Other than Christian" includes atheists, wouldn't you say?
no it's other than christian faith. Because as said in the first postI would like to hear from you, the spiritually or religiously inclined
That's not bigoted it's just wanting to know what a certain group thinks.

To sum it up: Catholics have had the good sense to understand that nothing coherent (in the very, very strict sense even, ie: nothing that will not contradict itself), nothing at all that will endure the questions posed by a thinking man who is not even set on deamining the religion, nothing in this area can rely on the original religious texts alone. They have, and they have had all the time.
Catholicism is an understanding of the world. Protestantism is just unreasonable reaction, while the variant I'm supposed to have adhered to (Eastern Orthodox) is just the reflection of anything a central political authority would have set itself on imposing to the world (or, and this is even more pitiful, the expectation of just that).
So, I'm not a Christian, and am agnostical by sheer accident, but I do respect Catholicism as the only relevant form of the Christian dogma.

Why is there no option for people who are neither spiritual nor religious!? :mad:
There's already enough bigotted crap as is, no need for more of it. :rolleyes:


I ran out of options and already proclaimed that the poll sucked.

Anyway you can still give your opinion here on the board. The poll was just for fun and by no means includes all of the potential options. I'm in the spiritual but not religious catagory and I didnt even give myself and my label an "I don't care" or "other" option.

Also, for you who picked "Yes" in any of the catagories, who do you think should be included in the Newer Testament.

So kindly stop adding to it.

"Other than Christian" includes atheists, wouldn't you say?
I don't read it as that. I hate being lumped in with the agnostics and assorted non-organised religion religious people. However, he's only got so many spots on the poll.

I don't read it as that. I hate being lumped in with the agnostics and assorted non-organised religion religious people. However, he's only got so many spots on the poll.


but aren't you a spiritual atheist? :fluffle:

and I miss you!

but aren't you a spiritual atheist? :fluffle:

and I miss you!
Spiritual atheist...wasn't there some sort of dumb website about that? Hmmm...you see, if I claim any sort of spirituality, people misunderstand, so I've axed that word from my self-descriptive vocabulary.

I miss me too. I haven't been myself lately. I think I might have SAD.

Spiritual atheist...wasn't there some sort of dumb website about that? Hmmm...you see, if I claim any sort of spirituality, people misunderstand, so I've axed that word from my self-descriptive vocabulary.

I miss me too. I haven't been myself lately. I think I might have SAD.


Yeah I started a thread on spiritual atheism because I didn't understand what it meant and I had linked to that site. It is very hard to understand personally.

Whats SAD? I haven't been myself lately either. I have been really down for no reason whatsoever, but I'm used to it.

If they make a "Newer Testament" would that make the current "New Testament" the "Rather New Testament"?The 'Slightly Stale' Testament.

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I don't know how original an idea this might be, but I have recently been thinking how interesting it would be if a new addition was made to the Bible... something in todays jargon by all of the latest Christian thinkers - that could be put in plain language for todays Christians. Then I thought "Nah, this would cause way too much bickering within the church as well as who knows how many volumes of rebuttals we will hear from outside the church" and do we really need more senseless bickering and religious chatter.

You're damn right we don't need any more religious bickering. You just know that a few people would take up arms over this, and we don't need that.

i really think that we need new rules and regulations on how to worship a religion that seems to be completely different from the original" believing in God" religion so that dogs and sealions can get into heaven too. also, i think they should come up with a way to get to heaven without dying. what does everyone else want to order?

The 'Slightly Stale' Testament.

Or it could be like a horror story

Bible III - "The End Is Here"

i really think that we need new rules and regulations on how to worship a religion that seems to be completely different from the original" believing in God" religion so that dogs and sealions can get into heaven too. also, i think they should come up with a way to get to heaven without dying. what does everyone else want to order?

Chocolate devils.

It'd probably just become Old, Middle, and New...

Gah - can't you just gimve me a synopsis? IS that old teachings re-written in new language? Is it new thinkers with ideas that break away from the older teachings at all?

I was listening to this priest on talk radio that was very well versed in many religions, and made some fascinating connections between different theological philosophies. I really respected what the guy had to say because he was willing to give credit where credit was due when it came to borrowed philosophies and he also didn't agree with the way the Bible was interpreted so literally by so many.

The Catholic Church try to break away from tradition?

The Catholic Church try to break away from tradition?


say what?
I'm not sure what you were asking because it didn't seem to fit with what you quoted.

say what?
I'm not sure what you were asking because it didn't seem to fit with what you quoted.

Vatican, Catholic Church. Back during the reformation they loved tradition founded upon erroneous translations by St. Jerome. It was either the concept of Penance or the concept of Penance and Purgatory that came from that.

The biggest mystery though is the belief about unbaptised babies going straight to hell.

Your link doesn't work.

Please PLEASE tell me you weren't serious...

Anyways, I think not because it would divide the Christians even further apart.

The biggest mystery though is the belief about unbaptised babies going straight to hell. That was never a doctrine. It was something that a lot of people and theologians believed in (although I think you're referring to Limbo), though.

Vatican, Catholic Church. Back during the reformation they loved tradition founded upon erroneous translations by St. Jerome. It was either the concept of Penance or the concept of Penance and Purgatory that came from that.

The biggest mystery though is the belief about unbaptised babies going straight to hell.

Everything is a translation though (in teh original text isn't God referred to in the multiple sense?)- my favorite writer on the subject of spirit says don't take his words literally... use them as a map or a sign post that points you in the direction you want to go. Don't think about the words... feel them. I gues syou had to be there :p

Anyways, I think not because it would divide the Christians even further apart.

yeah thats basically what was saying in my first post... I think :confused:

Nevertheless, who are your favorite spiritual thinkers of today?

I only wish some Christians would read more in the New Testament and disregard the old one a little more!

So anyway I started this thread so I could see if there were any recent christian philosophers/thinkers/writers in these times that anyone here knew about and respected and even more broadly, I was also interested in respected spiritual thinkers from anyoe and everyones favorite reading list. I was wondering if most of the Christians, specifically, had any favorites with maybe some new ideas. Also, when did the writings of judeo/christians start and when did the recording of teaching end? Why did they stop accepting new teachings from different people? I think it's interesting that they are still sainting people, so why dont they compile their works into a new collection?

Not possible. Divine revelation of a public nature was completed by the early 2nd century A.D. by the Apostles appointed by Jesus as the first leaders of the Church. There is no "newer" testament to write down.

Good books for inspiration and instruction are always welcome and are being published all the time, just no more Bible.

Edit: Just subscribing to thread.

Well I guess that's that then.