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I'm getting tired of these posts about science not being able to answer everything or the vendetta science has against God or whatever. (not that people won't carry on anyways)

Science tests the natural world. It creates hypothesis and theories on these findings. They are always challenged, experimented with, and changed when necessary. God has no place in science because His influence has never been proven in anyway and He cannot be tested or disproven. Thus God is not science....PERIOD. By the way "meaning" doesn't mean shit to science either.

Religion is religion blah who cares debate what you will over it.

The point is science does not relate to God. For some reason religous people feel it is necessary to slip God into science or to note the absence of God from science as some sort of attack against religion. Misguided athiests tend to do this as well. Science does not give a shit about God in any way shape or form. He is not even considered and thus science cannot be used for or against God. If you want to apply science to religion than you have to realize you are now out in left field and anything you say has absolutely nothing to do with science.

We don't go around using mathematical theorums to decide if our lovers truely love us back now do we? Why, because they don't corrolate or depend on eachother in anyway. This is similar to science and religion.
(if you have some theory on this I don't care, the point in my example is, I think, clear)

Science just wants to be left alone. What is so hard to understand about this? It has no relation to religion positive or negative. It is people who constantly link the two as proof of something that science has never attempted to figure out. They don't mix in any way, get over it.

I feel the same way most of the time, but you'll soon realize that those threads come and go in cycles of activity and never seem to lose either interest or abundance each time they surface. Honestly, I believe it's because they are easier to debate than less inflammatory subjects...

I've long since stopped even bothering.

Science and religion can live peacefully together (just look at me) but you are a moron because this will turn into another science vs. religion debate, making your point null and void.

At LEAST as long as the Bush Administration and its IDIOT cronies and mouthpieces keep up their onslaught in the nature of religious fervor and ignorance, there will be no end to the debate.
I'm sure there's other countries who have problems with it as well.
But i'm sure not going to shut up about it as long as an assault on fairly easy to recover/understand FACT exists for basically anyone.

Ahhh the forum n00bs ... so idealistic

Ahhh the forum n00bs ... so idealistic
Sadly... you're right. You're so damn right.

Any takers on a betting pool to see how long this will take to start another religious/science war?

Sadly... you're right. You're so damn right.
Any takers on a betting pool to see how long this will take to start another religious/science war?

For some reason, I almost want to prevent one from happening through any means possible...

Science and religion can live peacefully together (just look at me) but you are a moron because this will turn into another science vs. religion debate, making your point null and void.

Oh, what a sad world you live in my friend. My point can never be made null and void without a valid argument. If people choose to ignore it that is OK good arguments are good arguments are good arguments. The only "moron" here is a person who thinks you can void an argument with ignorance. What a waste.

Ahhh the forum n00bs ... so idealistic

Ah yes but if becoming old and jaded is the alternative I'm content. ;)

Ah yes but if becoming old and jaded is the alternative I'm content. ;)
Not jaded ... realistic with the envyroment

I am not saying dont try to settle things just dont be disapointed when it backfires
Like mentioned I bet this thread even ends up being a religious debate

Ah yes but if becoming old and jaded is the alternative I'm content. ;)
Meh... it's not so bad.

Ahhh the forum n00bs ... so idealistic

Damn it! You left the door open again!

Ah yes but if becoming old and jaded is the alternative I'm content. ;)

Getting old you have no choice over, and we prefer to use the term 'experienced' rather than 'jaded' round these parts.

Damn it! You left the door open again!
Sowwy :p :fluffle: :fluffle:

I'm getting tired of these posts about science not being able to answer everything or the vendetta science has against God or whatever. (not that people won't carry on anyways)

Just be thankful that they're the current trend: would you prefer if the forum was clogged with Star Wars vs. Star Trek threads, or the return of the Stormfronters?

I very much agree with Forfania Gottesleugner: science and philosophy/theology/religion cover two entirely different fields.

To roughly quote one figure in the ID movement (I'm not sure if it was Michael Behe or Gary Habermass, or someone else), Science is all about the HOW, leave philosophers to WHY.

Unfortunately, there are far too many who believe that the two (science and religion) are mutally exclusive.
All too often, I have seen someone atempt to contend a philosophical, theological, or religious statement by saying (in different words) that the Metaphysical world does not exist, sparking yet another pointless debate.

If you want to argue religion, argue religion.
I count atheism as a form of religion (the lack of a way is inherently a way), so an atheist/religious debate can work.
And science can be cited as support in this form of a debate. I've seen it work both ways.

You cannot, however, attempt to counter all religion with science alone, and vice versa. The the two fields do not overlap.

Science is the pursuit of observable physical truth.
If you use science, it must be as support, not as an end.
Science inherently lacks the capacity to be an end.

Truth must be put to use, which is the point of religion, philosophy, and theology.

--Montare Piad, of the Most Holy Empire of the Tronian Republiic

Just be thankful that they're the current trend: would you prefer if the forum was clogged with Star Wars vs. Star Trek threads, or the return of the Stormfronters?

Oh, goodness...
I wish I had actually read the whole thread before I replied.
:headbang:

I very much agree with Forfania Gottesleugner: science and philosophy/theology/religion cover two entirely different fields.

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I count atheism as a form of religion (the lack of a way is inherently a way), so an atheist/religious debate can work.

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It is definately important to note that atheism has the same relation to science as religion. Which is absolutely no relation. Science ignores both religion and atheism.

I'm getting tired of these posts about science not being able to answer everything or the vendetta science has against God or whatever. (not that people won't carry on anyways)

Science tests the natural world. It creates hypothesis and theories on these findings. They are always challenged, experimented with, and changed when necessary. God has no place in science because His influence has never been proven in anyway and He cannot be tested or disproven. Thus God is not science....PERIOD. By the way "meaning" doesn't mean shit to science either.

Religion is religion blah who cares debate what you will over it.

The point is science does not relate to God. For some reason religous people feel it is necessary to slip God into science or to note the absence of God from science as some sort of attack against religion. Misguided athiests tend to do this as well. Science does not give a shit about God in any way shape or form. He is not even considered and thus science cannot be used for or against God. If you want to apply science to religion than you have to realize you are now out in left field and anything you say has absolutely nothing to do with science.

We don't go around using mathematical theorums to decide if our lovers truely love us back now do we? Why, because they don't corrolate or depend on eachother in anyway. This is similar to science and religion.
(if you have some theory on this I don't care, the point in my example is, I think, clear)

Science just wants to be left alone. What is so hard to understand about this? It has no relation to religion positive or negative. It is people who constantly link the two as proof of something that science has never attempted to figure out. They don't mix in any way, get over it.

Think of it this way of angered one:

Religion tries to tell us who's pressing the big red buttons and who made the buttons.

Science tries to tell us how those buttons work and what they do in our plane.