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Have you ever experienced racism in your life? What happened? how did you react? Did it change your views and/or behavior?

Personally, I am very lucky to be living in NYC, which doesn't seem to have many race issues anymore. I go to an International school, so our student body is about as diverse as it gets, but we all get along pretty well, and no one really cares about your backround, because if you did care, no one would talk to anyone because of the aformentioned diversity of the school.

Once last year, however, there was this really rude, crazy and juvinile kid in my class. He was known around school for being obsessed with world domination(seriously, he once promised this girl he liked that when he ruled the world he'd give her Hawaii.:p ) and coming up woth stupid ideas (he once tried to convincve me he had discovered the 5th dimension, even when I explained to him he was wrong and not exactly an expert on higher math).

One day, he started talking to me, as some friends and I were talking about our ideal jobs. He butted in on our conversation (he was one of those people who would start talking to you even if you were having a conversation with a teacher:rolleyes: ) saying something to the effect of " Jews are really good at selling things. Maybe you'll become a door to door salesman when you grow up." I was pretty offended by this, even though I knew he was an idiot, because this was the first time I had ever had someone say something racist to me. I was also suprised that the kid, who was not only from another country but was the son of a mixed race couple would be so insensitive to that sort of thing (though of course many 10th generation anglo-saxon protestant white males in this country are just as considerate about what they say as anyone else).

Anywaw, last period we got sent to our homeroom instead , where our teacher got really upset that someone in her class did something so against the principles of the school. She asked him to apologise, but he didn't understand how he did anything wrong. Eventually, she forced him to give me an obviously incincere "sorry". with this event, combined with numerous other rule infractions, the kid left the school, which he had entered in the middle of the year, weeks before summer began.

I don't think the episode changed me that much, since this is obviously mild compared to what many people endure, but it gave me a better understanding of why it's important to destroy the ignorance that racism springs from, and to tolerate and embrace other cultures. It certainly made me think a lot more about what I wanted to talk about at my Bar Mitzvah a few weeks later, and in some respects made me proud that my ancestors survived all the racism and bigotry they experienced in Eastern Europe over a century ago, and embarking on the long journey to America for a better life. We still have our problems everywhere, but more and more people are ignoring the ficticious boudaries of "race", a change only good can come out of.

And you?

I once got called a Mick-nuck after hurling a potato in a food fight.

Uh, buddy....None of what you mentioned is Racism....its Anti-Semitism.....See ya later.

Oh, bro, by the way, Jews are good at selling stuff.

I am a white girl who grew up in Oakland, California. The majority of my friends were multi-ethnic. I was with a with an asian friend on the bus when a black girl threw a piece of newspaper at her. Like an idiot, I in my catholic skirt had to sound all snobbish. I told my friend not to sink to her level and this sealed my fate. I was followed off the bus by her and her friends while my friend went the opposite way in the confusion.

She started off by throwing a cup of some liquid at me, which missed, and then came up to me and faked a punch. When I instinctively moved to block, she laughed and said, "Ha, white bitch can't fight." I got pissed and grabbed her by her throat. A fight ensued, during which I think her original objective started out trying to pull my shirt off at the coaxing of her friends as if somehow this would humiliate me. She didn't know me. Well, she dotted me in the eye and I grabbed her by her weave and her mouth, pulling in opposite directions. I can't fight obviously and I hate confrontation.

Eventually she and her group of friends got chased off by a passerby. The passerby was a black woman who offered to give me a ride home. I think, if it weren't for her I might have developed a negative outlook towards black people, which is a good thing I didn't since my mom now dates black men.

I had a nasty little run-in with this neo-Nazi in elementary school. 'Tarded parents and school administration wouldn't let me even retaliate verbally against the SOB (F*ck you Zero Tolerance! :upyours:)

Needless to say the kid is a huge bum right now and everyone wants to get at him.

As a white Irish male athiest aged eighteen to thirty-six I don't often encounter racism.

I am a white girl who grew up in Oakland, California. The majority of my friends were multi-ethnic. I was with a with an asian friend on the bus when a black girl threw a piece of newspaper at her. Like an idiot, I in my catholic skirt had to sound all snobbish. I told my friend not to sink to her level and this sealed my fate. I was followed off the bus by her and her friends while my friend went the opposite way in the confusion.

She started off by throwing a cup of some liquid at me, which missed, and then came up to me and faked a punch. When I instinctively moved to block, she laughed and said, "Ha, white bitch can't fight." I got pissed and grabbed her by her throat. A fight ensued, during which I think her original objective started out trying to pull my shirt off at the coaxing of her friends as if somehow this would humiliate me. She didn't know me. Well, she dotted me in the eye and grabbed her by her weave and her mouth, pulling in opposite directions. I can't fight obviously and I hate confrontation.

Eventually she and her group of friends got chased off by a passerby. The passerby was a black woman who offered to give me a ride home. I think, if it weren't for her I might have developed a negative outlook towards black people, which is a good thing I didn't since my mom now dates black men.

NAGERS! lol...

I had a nasty little run-in with this neo-Nazi in elementary school. 'Tarded parents and school administration wouldn't let me even retaliate verbally against the SOB (F*ck you Zero Tolerance! :upyours:)

Needless to say the kid is a huge bum right now and everyone wants to get at him.

How the hell could you encounter a Neo-Nazi in elementary school?

Anyone ever seen Euro Trip...you know the German baby?

*Mental Picture*

Meh. My elder brother is very racist in his outlooks. He doesn't care who it is, If they aren't 100% British for 10 generations, they are viable targets for his verbal, and, on one occasion, physical, abuse.

What's even more ironic is our great grandfather was German, so by his own rules, he deserves to be attacked.

I've never understood racism. My best friend is Chinease, I'm frinds with two third generation immigrants (One from India, the other from Bangladesh), I used to be good friends with a mixed black/white girl, until she moved away :( Why anyone thinks they are superior to someone just because of their appearence in beyond me. All the above are normal people, yet if I mention their names in front of my brother he explodes. Twat.

How the hell could you encounter a Neo-Nazi in elementary school?

Anyone ever seen Euro Trip...you know the German baby?

*Mental Picture*

Rather easy, actually. I've met at least one in my time. To me, racism is pointless, and all racists are utter scum.

Uh, buddy....None of what you mentioned is Racism....its Anti-Semitism.....See ya later.
race:
1. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.
4. Humans considered as a group.
Even though Jews aren't technically a race (well, none of us are absolutely members of a race, race being a social construct), I say anti-semitism fits into the broader definition of racism.

How the hell could you encounter a Neo-Nazi in elementary school?

Anyone ever seen Euro Trip...you know the German baby?

*Mental Picture*
I've seen them ()_()

YES, I have encountered racism against myself, and I'm caucasian, but God forbid I complain about it, even though I'm descended from immigrants who didn't get here until the early 1900s and thus had nothing to do with the persecution of race x, y, or z 200 years ago, and who were themselves persecuted for being Finnish and Irish, respectively. Hell, my grandfather had to change his last name to get a job, so I'm really tired of hearing how my race has persecuted everyone even though my grandparents and great-grandparents were persecuted for their ethnicities and I still don't get affirmative action.

How the hell could you encounter a Neo-Nazi in elementary school?
He wasn't German tho....apparently he read Anne Frank (in hopes of tolerance) but somehow warped the little prick's mind to become a Nazi piece of sh*t

I haven't been the target of any racism, but since I'm white, racists will automatically assume that I share their juvenile prejudices, and talk to me about how all blacks suck, etc.

I quickly tell them that I really don't want to be associated with such white trash, and threaten to hit them with the nearby scenery, unless they shut their mouths and get lost. I just can't stand neo-nazis, and only the law stops me from directly striking back at them.

I want to say to my friends: "Get in the truck, we're goin' nazi huntin'!" But no, someone had to legislate against mass murder... ;)

I haven't been the target of any racism, but since I'm white, racists will automatically assume that I share their juvenile prejudices, and talk to me about how all blacks suck, etc.

I quickly tell them that I really don't want to be associated with such white trash, and threaten to hit them with the nearby scenery, unless they shut their mouths and get lost. I just can't stand neo-nazis, and only the law stops me from directly striking back at them.

I want to say to my friends: "Get in the truck, we're goin' nazi huntin'!" But no, someone had to legislate against mass murder... ;)

Just go all Blues Brothers on 'em.

Just go all Blues Brothers on 'em.
Best car chase, EVER.

Meh. My elder brother is very racist in his outlooks. He doesn't care who it is, If they aren't 100% British for 10 generations, they are viable targets for his verbal, and, on one occasion, physical, abuse.

What's even more ironic is our great grandfather was German, so by his own rules, he deserves to be attacked.

I've never understood racism. My best friend is Chinease, I'm frinds with two third generation immigrants (One from India, the other from Bangladesh), I used to be good friends with a mixed black/white girl, until she moved away :( Why anyone thinks they are superior to someone just because of their appearence in beyond me. All the above are normal people, yet if I mention their names in front of my brother he explodes. Twat.
Uh, I think your the twat, Bangladesh is in India.

Uh, I think your the twat, Bangladesh is in India.

:D

Hm..
I'm spanish and when I took the SAT's my mom yelled at me because I put my race as Hispanic. She told me being white is a privelege and I felt really bad. However, I got to call her a ho. So esta bien.

I grew up in New York. You're sorely mistaken if you don't think there is any racism in NYC or the rest of the state for that matter. It just hides itself a lot better. Most people think black or white when they think of racism, but there are many other kinds especially in NYC. It's not out in the open like in other parts of the country, but believe me it's there. It will always be there.

Let me also add that back in May I was in Leipzig, Germany I saw maybe one black person while I was there and do you know what? I liked it. I didn't notice until halfway through my trip. I never felt afraid to walk the streets at night. It was quite a liberating feeling not to have to fear being mugged or shot. The same thing during my trip to Toronto two weeks ago. Sure they have quite a few black people up there, but they weren't people to fear like they are in this country. If I lived in Europe or Canada I wouldn't have the need to have guns in my home (or car), but since I live here I own two.

Uh, I think your the twat, Bangladesh is in India.

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/maps/bg-map.gif

Wrong. (http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/bg.html)

Hm..
I'm spanish and when I took the SAT's my mom yelled at me because I put my race as Hispanic. She told me being white is a privelege and I felt really bad. However, I got to call her a ho. So esta bien.

Errrm... should being white be considered a privilege over any other 'race'? That doesn't seem right...

Hm..
I'm spanish and when I took the SAT's my mom yelled at me because I put my race as Hispanic. She told me being white is a privelege and I felt really bad. However, I got to call her a ho. So esta bien.

So your mom wants you to lie about your race because she assumes that being White is better than being Spanish....interesting.

The most I've ever got thrown at me is the odd IRA joke and talk about reinvading Ireland. Doesn't really bother me.

A little twazzock in primary school called a Cypriot guy a ****** though, which I found amusing.

EDIT: How come on those tests where you put your race down, there are several different types of Indian race you can put your name down, several types of black, but only one type of "White"? White is surely as diverse as black - they have "Carribean black" and "African black" but no "Russian white" or "Irish white" or "Northern European white"?

I don't really get any racist comments made towards me... I used to get some odd looks while living in a little hillbilly town, but nothing beyond that. My race is a bit too mixed for most people to figure out, even if they wanted to insult me. XD

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/maps/bg-map.gif

Wrong. (http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/bg.html)

Dude, its the same thing, you say tomatoe, and I say tomatoe.....Besides its like right in the middle of India...Its only a matter of time before its annexed, so technically I am right and just speaking in terms of the future.

Errrm... should being white be considered a privilege over any other 'race'? That doesn't seem right...
Acutally, I think white is the most boring race ever. The people are so regular.. being spanish is so much fun we have a rich history of culture and dance. and our language is more arabic than latin! I love being spanish.. If I wasne't I'd probally lie and say I was anyways.


So your mom wants you to lie about your race because she assumes that being White is better than being Spanish....interesting.

Yes, but also she diddint know you can get a scholarship if your anything other than white and you get above average. Ella es estupida.

Let me also add that back in May I was in Leipzig, Germany I saw maybe one black person while I was there and do you know what? I liked it. I didn't notice until halfway through my trip. I never felt afraid to walk the streets at night. It was quite a liberating feeling not to have to fear being mugged or shot.

Ahem... did it occur to you that the muggers and rapists and murderers were more likely to be white in Germany? The fact you associate these criminals with black people is quite telling... And 'not afraid of being shot/mugged/etc.' is more a comment on culture and social policy than race, I'd have thought... :rolleyes:

Elgesh']Ahem... did it occur to you that the muggers and rapists and murderers were more likely to be white in Germany? The fact you associate these criminals with black people is quite telling... And 'not afraid of being shot/mugged/etc.' is more a comment on culture and social policy than race, I'd have thought... :rolleyes:

I agree, just because africans are not apparent in society does not mean there will be no crime or poverty.
Most studies show it's directly linked to education and income level... also in america most crimes are comitted by white people... :rolleyes:

Acutally, I think white is the most boring race ever. The people are so regular.. being spanish is so much fun we have a rich history of culture and dance. and our language is more arabic than latin! I love being spanish.. If I wasne't I'd probally lie and say I was anyways.




Yes, but also she diddint know you can get a scholarship if your anything other than white and you get above average. Ella es estupida.

The White race has the most different sub races in it, we have way richer of culture and I'm sure we have lots of dance, not that I care about it.

Dude, its the same thing, you say tomatoe, and I say tomatoe.....Besides its like right in the middle of India...Its only a matter of time before its annexed, so technically I am right and just speaking in terms of the future.

No, you aren't. You just had no clue of what you were talking about, but that didn't stop you, and now you try to hide behind sarcastic-looking (or to me it looks like so, mostly 'cuz it is so hard to think something that stupid beeing said without it) curtain but fail miserably.

I grew up in New York. You're sorely mistaken if you don't think there is any racism in NYC or the rest of the state for that matter. It just hides itself a lot better. Most people think black or white when they think of racism, but there are many other kinds especially in NYC. It's not out in the open like in other parts of the country, but believe me it's there. It will always be there.

Let me also add that back in May I was in Leipzig, Germany I saw maybe one black person while I was there and do you know what? I liked it. I didn't notice until halfway through my trip. I never felt afraid to walk the streets at night. It was quite a liberating feeling not to have to fear being mugged or shot. The same thing during my trip to Toronto two weeks ago. Sure they have quite a few black people up there, but they weren't people to fear like they are in this country. If I lived in Europe or Canada I wouldn't have the need to have guns in my home (or car), but since I live here I own two.


your sorley mistaken if you think europe is a safe haven where crime has been eradicated. I live in a small city in england donned the gun crime capital of the UK apparently it has more deaths by shooting per capita than the Bronx. Yet I don't feel the need to have a gun, why should I, I don't want to kill someone and I'm not afraid someone's gonna kill me. I'm more scared of white people though, all those mass murderers, the ones that did it for fun, nuff said.

The White race has the most different sub races in it, we have way richer of culture and I'm sure we have lots of dance, not that I care about it.

??? uhm I think asian has the most diffrent sub groups of people in it.
and yes "white" does have dance... ballet. woo. And please lets not get into who race has more culture, It was ment to be scarcastic.

No, you aren't. You just had no clue of what you were talking about, but that didn't stop you, and now you try to hide behind sarcastic-looking (or to me it looks like so, mostly 'cuz it is so hard to think something that stupid beeing said without it) curtain but fail miserably.

Some people just don't know how to admit that they are wrong. As if you lose something by admitting that you make mistakes...

Now I'm getting off-topic...

Errrm... should being white be considered a privilege over any other 'race'? That doesn't seem right... Well, whites have more hair colours... but Arabs have impressive noses... damn seems we're all privileged. ;)

Well, whites have more hair colours... but Arabs have impressive noses... damn seems we're all privileged. ;)

!!! OMG NO!

BLACK/BROWN HAIR > EVERY OTHER HAIR COLOR!

No, you aren't. You just had no clue of what you were talking about, but that didn't stop you, and now you try to hide behind sarcastic-looking (or to me it looks like so, mostly 'cuz it is so hard to think something that stupid beeing said without it) curtain but fail miserably.

What was that? I couldnt read half of it because it was written in font size -1, what kind of audiance are you writing to, ants?

!!! OMG NO!

BLACK/BROWN HAIR > EVERY OTHER HAIR COLOR!

Except red.

Specifically, dark red.

Some of my friends used to be racist at school...I managed to convince them how pathetic it was over time, except for one, but we're not friends with him any more anyway.

My dad works for customs and excise, and even though he works behind a desk they insisted he was shown how it works on the ground at airports when he first started. Anyway, this guy was telling him how it worked and said at one point "You need to watch out for the wogs, they're often carrying summat." At that point he lied and said "Yeah, my wife is black". Wish I could have seen the guys face :D

I'm actually White/Arabic. (To get specific, German and Lebanese) The only way to tell is if you know my last name or I want you to know.

And since I'm Christian and not Muslim or Jewish, people brush of the Arab racism thing against me.

We actually have a lot of people from India in our school. One of my friends actually directly moved from India a year ago. And one of the most mathematically adept girls in my High School is from India. So yeah. There's a decently sized Arab community I can KIND OF associate with at my school. I certainly embrace my half-culture of Arabic especially by the church I attened. So, I have been the target of racism, but not any that praticularly bothers me. Most of the racist issues in my school stem from the White/Black thing. The asians and misc. cultural minorites are safe. But, some of the Muslim kids get trouble, and me being semi-popular but not enough to ruin my reputation if I did anything wrong, I back up the kid being picked on if it's in earshot of me.

What was that? I couldnt read half of it because it was written in font size -1, what kind of audiance are you writing to, ants?

Oh, no problem. You wouldn't have understood it anyways.

The point of my post was that you made yourself look incredibly stupid with those inane statements about India and Bangladesh, and I wanted you to understand this and try to talk only subejcts you have even the very basic knowledge for now on, to avoid giving such impression of utter stupidity.

I have had several personal run ins with it. My wife is black African. She is an attractive woman and had many remarks made with a statement that varies on this theme. Why is she not married to a black man? This is from not white people but black women. I have heard this over the years more than a few times. I asked a friend of mine why he thinks this may be the case. He is black American btw. He thinks that black women tend to be racist in his racial group. He was stating an opinion on the matter. While this may or may not be true it's difficult to say. But my only experiences with personal racism is from black women.

Acutally, I think white is the most boring race ever. The people are so regular.. being spanish is so much fun we have a rich history of culture and dance. and our language is more arabic than latin! I love being spanish.. If I wasne't I'd probally lie and say I was anyways.
You're an ignorant racist, and you probably don't know what was offensive in the statement above. :rolleyes:
Your hispanic background gives your douchbaggery a little flair, though.


Yes, but also she diddint know you can get a scholarship if your anything other than white and you get above average. Ella es estupida.
Observing your lack of grammatical skill above, I think you'll be needing that advantage. You can't just pass that level of gross incompetence off as typos.
You might want to check the "homosexual" box to boot.

your sorley mistaken if you think europe is a safe haven where crime has been eradicated. I live in a small city in england donned the gun crime capital of the UK apparently it has more deaths by shooting per capita than the Bronx. Yet I don't feel the need to have a gun, why should I, I don't want to kill someone and I'm not afraid someone's gonna kill me. I'm more scared of white people though, all those mass murderers, the ones that did it for fun, nuff said.

I really doubt that, where USA has about 11 thousand deaths by gun crime each year England only has around 54, hardly the Bronx.

your sorley mistaken if you think europe is a safe haven where crime has been eradicated. I live in a small city in england donned the gun crime capital of the UK apparently it has more deaths by shooting per capita than the Bronx. Yet I don't feel the need to have a gun, why should I, I don't want to kill someone and I'm not afraid someone's gonna kill me. I'm more scared of white people though, all those mass murderers, the ones that did it for fun, nuff said.

According to nationmaster (http://www.nationmaster.com/red/graph-T/cri_mur_wit_fir_cap&int=32) the UK has the lowest gun deaths per capita of all countries surveyed

I'm actually White/Arabic. The only way to tell is if you know my last name or I want you to know.

And since I'm Christian and not Muslim or Jewish, people brush of the Arab racism thing against me.

We actually have a lot of people from India in our school. One of my friends actually directly moved from India a year ago. And one of the most mathematically adept girls in my High School is from India. So yeah. There's a decently sized Arab community I can KIND OF associate with at my school. I certainly embrace my half-culture of Arabic especially by the church I attened. So, I have been the target of racism, but not any that praticularly bothers me. Most of the racist issues in my school stem from the White/Black thing. The asians and misc. cultural minorites are safe. But, some of the Muslim kids get trouble.

I agree! My best friend for 8 years was arabic and he would always get in trouble.. he has a very anglo name (jonathan) but his last name.. mm.. I would always try to be his mole and get him out of trouble.. sometimes it worked.. mmm.. it wasn't fair though. They would just be rude to him.. his culture was so fun though.. I loved the argili (spelling?) and the food you got to eat with the bread... oh good times..

I wish I could be every culture in life.. life is so limiting.. because once your born something.. you cant truly experience another culture...

I grew up in New York. You're sorely mistaken if you don't think there is any racism in NYC or the rest of the state for that matter. It just hides itself a lot better. Most people think black or white when they think of racism, but there are many other kinds especially in NYC. It's not out in the open like in other parts of the country, but believe me it's there. It will always be there.

Let me also add that back in May I was in Leipzig, Germany I saw maybe one black person while I was there and do you know what? I liked it. I didn't notice until halfway through my trip. I never felt afraid to walk the streets at night. It was quite a liberating feeling not to have to fear being mugged or shot. The same thing during my trip to Toronto two weeks ago. Sure they have quite a few black people up there, but they weren't people to fear like they are in this country. If I lived in Europe or Canada I wouldn't have the need to have guns in my home (or car), but since I live here I own two.
Um..A, MY neighborhood and school doesn't have many very obvious racial problems. I'm not saying they're not there, just that it IS better compared to a lot of other places in this country. Second, everything you said about black people was racist. I'm sorry, but it was. I'm appauled you said that black Canadians "weren't people to fear like they are in this country." I happen to know and be friends with many African-Americans, all of whom are just as smart, funny, polite and orderly as anyone else. You seem to me to be quite paranoid.

Oh, and by the way, the only reason the crime rate is higher among blacks is because of all the bigotry and exclusionism they experienced, which often led them to take crummy jobs "white" people wouldn't do, resulting in an income gap that continues to plauge African-Americans in many regards to this day due to latant racism, or even open racisim such as that contained in your post. Please take your bigoted ideas somewhere else.

Stereotypes abound...
...in some respects made me proud that my ancestors survived all the racism and bigotry they experienced in Eastern Europe over a century ago, and embarking on the long journey to America for a better life.
Your quote makes it sound as though discrimination against Jews was mostly, if not only, experienced in Eastern Europe. Western Europe and the Middle East have long been guilty of discrimination against Jews over the last couple thousand years. That's my first point.

Second, there is some truth to his statement, insofar as he identified a characteristic or behaviour that is common among certain individuals who belong to a group (ie. share something in common). His error was in assuming that a) you belong to that group, and b) by virtue of belonging, would also share the same characteristics and/or behaviour. Making classifications about things that we see is normal, nearly automatic, and should not be considered discrimination or prejudice. The error is assuming that others fit the same criteria.

About the worst racism I ever ran into was when I was working for the Girl Scouts. I was leading a sections of a weekly day camp in fairly affluent suburbs. That is, each week we had a different location and all the Scout groups in that area were invited to attend the camp. The mothers were the volunteer group leaders, and were in charge of herding the girls from one activity to the next.

One particular week we had 6 troops of girls... three all black, three all white. We mixed them in their groups so they weren't all with their own troop, but for the first few days none of the white girls would talk to the black girls, and none of the black girls would talk to the white girls. In fact, the mothers were worse than the girls. We deliberately had arranged it so each group was mixed-race, and the white mothers and black mothers grouped apart from each other, and encouraged the girls to do the same thing. By midweek the tensions between the two groups had gotten far enough I had to stop a fistfight over it, and I decided I had to do something.

So I set up a game of red rover. Now when playing red rover, the leader (me) called out "red rover, red rover, everyone wearing blue come over!" and everyone with blue on had to try to run to the other side. If they got caught, they had to try to help the leader catch other people. All the black girls were on one half hte field, and seperated by a gap of some feet, the white girls were grouped on the other side. *SIGH* So after a couple colors, I managed to get everyone all back onto the same side. Then I said "Red rover, red rover, everyone with skin-color come ove."

(I should say here that I am white - mostly german and english with a bit of other european heritage thrown in... no non-european descent, as far back as I know.)

Most of the white girls ran, but a few stood there looking confused. A few of the black girls ran, a few stood there looking confused, but most of them looked insulted and hurt. So I walked over to all the girls who hadn't run and asked why they hadn't run. They answered anything from "My skin is white, it doesn't have color" to "My skin is black, not skin color." So I asked "Well, you all have skin, right?" Reluctant nods and yesses. "And it's a color right?" Slightly less reluctant nods and yesses. "Well then it's skin color, and you'd better run before I get you!" After a few seconds hestitation to let it sink in, they all ran.

The looks on the faces of those girls were priceless, and for some funny reason, those racial divides broke down that day, and we had no more racial problems with the girls the rest of the week. (The mothers are another story.)

I only hope their lesson lasted longer than the three days I knew them.

Have you ever experienced racism in your life? What happened? how did you react? Did it change your views and/or behavior?



When I was a young teen (12-14), I had a paper route in the largely waspy suburban neighborhood we lived in. About a year after I got the paper route, a black family moved into one of the houses on the route. They were the only non-white family on my route, and I think in the neighborhood.

The first thing I noticed that bothered me was that I was *extremely* uncomfortable talking to the parents of the household. The second thing that happened that bothered me was that when that household missed leaving the weekly payment, I told them right away (at the next payment date) that they needed to either pay me that day, or I would stop delivering their paper.

Whereas with the white households on my route I would normally have let it slide a month or so -- I had a lot of other houses that paid once a month, or irregularly.

So that's my experience with racism -- when I realized that I was being racist, and making my business decisions based on the race of the people I was doing business with.

What I did about it was to formalize my business policy about late payments - two weeks missed, and I stopped delivering the paper, unless prior arrangements were made. I made out a letter, and I delivered it to everyone on my route. I ended up loosing a couple of customers over it in the long run - folks who didn't want to formalize to pay monthly (I asked people who want to pay monthly to pay a month ahead, in my letter), but refused to pay weekly.

I was still really uncomfortable with the black family (they had paid the second date I asked) but once I formalized my payment due policy for my route, I didn't have to worry anymore about it I was treating them unfairly because they were black.

I still worry alot about it I am treating others unfairly or poorly because of their race, and work very hard not to do so. I might not be able to control a certain level of discomfort that I feel around people of other races, but I can damn well control how I act and treat them.

And I certainly do not believe on any intellectual level that people of other races are in any way different/less/etc then people of my race. Race is a social construct, as was mentioned earlier.

Elicere.

ps. please note that my feelings of discomfort with this family (and in general) were completely unfounded. They did not in any other way seem any different from all the other upper-middle class suburbanites whose paper I delivered.

No, not directed at me, because I look white (though I'm actually multiracial to a great degree) and in this area no one cares that I'm Jewish - or at least no one is brave enough to show they care.

But the racism in our culture, even in liberal areas, is obvious. The mostly subconscious contempt directed by whites towards blacks, the idiotic comments about affirmative action and political correctness, the naivete about the American racial scene, the paternalistic attitudes towards the rest of the world - all of these are very indicative. So are the statistics.

Stereotypes abound...

Your quote makes it sound as though discrimination against Jews was mostly, if not only, experienced in Eastern Europe. Western Europe and the Middle East have long been guilty of discrimination against Jews over the last couple thousand years. That's my first point.

Second, there is some truth to his statement, insofar as he identified a characteristic or behaviour that is common among certain individuals who belong to a group (ie. share something in common). His error was in assuming that a) you belong to that group, and b) by virtue of belonging, would also share the same characteristics and/or behaviour. Making classifications about things that we see is normal, nearly automatic, and should not be considered discrimination or prejudice. The error is assuming that others fit the same criteria.
1. I'm perfectly aware that anti-semitism was experienced in many different places. I wrote that because my ancestors DID come here from Eastern Europe
2. You said His error was in assuming that a) you belong to that group, and b) by virtue of belonging, would also share the same characteristics and/or behaviour.. That is what racism is; assuming everone in a "race" has similar charactaristics and behavior, in this case something that might be true for some Jews, but certainly shouldn't have been assumed by him. It wasn't an inadvertant mistake, it was racims, which is similar in that it is born out of ignorance. I don't think he was, say, some sort of malicious Neo-Nazi, but his IGNORANT comments were still racist.

Well, the bottom line is that EVERYONE is at least a little racist. Everyone has their own little prejudged conceptions of other races, religions, etc. (for this thread it makes sense to just file it all under racism). Human beings don't seem to adjust well to other people's differences.
I hate to break the news to some of you, but, the per capita rate of violent crime has increased in parts of Europe, while in America it has gone down. The person who pointed out how the crime rate is related more to economic and sociological conditions is on the mark.
Lastly, don't let the media fool you,(the best advice I have is there is no money in good news). All things considered, we as a species have made great strides in race relations over the past century and things will continue to improve. We still have a long way to go, but, I'm very hopeful for the future.

What do you call a black guy who flies planes?
A pilot, you !@#$ing racist:eek:

I really doubt that, where USA has about 11 thousand deaths by gun crime each year England only has around 54, hardly the Bronx.
Actually, New York city has a lower crime rate than many other American cities such as Detroit and Camden. We do have many crimes, but that is due to our population, which is bigger than any other US city, so it evens out to be a safer place than other places. Sadly, many non-New Yorkers can't seem to shake off the idea that we are rediculously more crime-ridden than any other place.

Have you ever experienced racism in your life? What happened? how did you react? Did it change your views and/or behavior?

I grew up in a tiny midwestern town during the late 80s and early 90s, which you may remember as the height of "Jap bashing," when everyone was afraid that those crazy hard-working Japanese were going to underprice all the American factories and take over the world. Now, I'm not even Japanese, but that didn't stop people from throwing rocks at our cars and telling us to "go home," which confused me given that I was born in that town, my parents came here at the behest of the federal government to fill a shortage of medical workers, and my father employed four white Americans. The thing that really changed me as a result of all that was that I stopped thinking that if I just worked hard enough and was a good enough Christian, etc. white people would learn to like me. I realized that some people were going to hate me no matter what I did. It also made me really revise my notion of the American dream, at least looking back on it later in life. If you come to this country and work really hard, you can achieve economic integration and success, but there is no guarantee of being accepted into the American "nation" in terms of that "we feeling." Other Americans, lots of them, may not consider you and not treat you like fellow Americans. This creates a loyalty problem, in my opinion. Can patriotism be built on a deep respect of democratic institutions alone? Or does real patriotism require that "we" feeling often mentioned in literature on nationalism? I'm not sure myself. My boyfriend and I have argued about this muchly, he believing that the institutions are enough, me not being so sure.

Flip side of my coin is while I don't mind most races... I live in a city with very large "minority" groups. We have a huge sections of the city that are a number of different cultural groups. There's an italian section. There's a chinese section. There's... dude, I don't even KNOW most of them, just they all have festivals which are a lot of fun to go to and get food and things.

I just can't STAND hispanics. It's not because they've got a different skin color, or even a different language. It's because there's a huge illegal population of them. It's becuase they REFUSE to learn English and assimilate like everyone else has. It's because they deliberately try to change our culture into theirs instead of joining the melting pot and being a part of us. It's because they're unfriendly to all non-hispanics. It's because every time I go to use an ATM I have to freaking PICK to have it be in English. It's because when I call an automated service system I have to wait through five seconds of them offering for it to be in spanish if you press 2. It's because the mexican government not only encourages their citizens to try to illegally migrate to the US, they encourage them to try to bring their culture with them and change ours into theirs, and assimilate US instead of join in with everyone else. It's because I want my McDonalds menus to be in English, not Spanish, and especially not exclusively Spanish!

Now I know these are all generalizations, and not true of ALL hispanics, but y'know... I'm racist about it. I can't help it. I automatically assume all this is true about ALL hispanics I see. And I know it's not, but y'know, there are so many for whom it is true. I just can't stand the entire race.

If they want to come legally, learn english like everyone else, and become normal assimilated US people, great. If they want to take advantage of us, manipulate us, speak Spanish and be rude to us, screw them all.

Flip side of my coin is while I don't mind most races... I live in a city with very large "minority" groups. We have a huge sections of the city that are a number of different cultural groups. There's an italian section. There's a chinese section. There's... dude, I don't even KNOW most of them, just they all have festivals which are a lot of fun to go to and get food and things.

I just can't STAND hispanics. It's not because they've got a different skin color, or even a different language. It's because there's a huge illegal population of them. It's becuase they REFUSE to learn English and assimilate like everyone else has. It's because they deliberately try to change our culture into theirs instead of joining the melting pot and being a part of us. It's because they're unfriendly to all non-hispanics. It's because every time I go to use an ATM I have to freaking PICK to have it be in English. It's because when I call an automated service system I have to wait through five seconds of them offering for it to be in spanish if you press 2. It's because the mexican government not only encourages their citizens to try to illegally migrate to the US, they encourage them to try to bring their culture with them and change ours into theirs, and assimilate US instead of join in with everyone else. It's because I want my McDonalds menus to be in English, not Spanish, and especially not exclusively Spanish!

Now I know these are all generalizations, and not true of ALL hispanics, but y'know... I'm racist about it. I can't help it. I automatically assume all this is true about ALL hispanics I see. And I know it's not, but y'know, there are so many for whom it is true. I just can't stand the entire race.

If they want to come legally, learn english like everyone else, and become normal assimilated US people, great. If they want to take advantage of us, manipulate us, speak Spanish and be rude to us, screw them all.


We have the same type of thing here except it's mostly Brazilians. The problem we have her on Martha's Vineyard, is it's a small population to begin with so the problems seem more pronounced. However, you're outlook is totally racist (as is mine at times). The smartest way to approach immigration issues, would be to fix where they are coming from so they don't feel the need to emigrate. If the U.S. would spend less money on Border Patrol or Homeland Security and more on helping South and Central American economies, we could level the playing field for everyone.

I just can't STAND hispanics. It's not because they've got a different skin color, or even a different language. It's because there's a huge illegal population of them. It's becuase they REFUSE to learn English and assimilate like everyone else has. It's because they deliberately try to change our culture into theirs instead of joining the melting pot and being a part of us. It's because they're unfriendly to all non-hispanics. It's because every time I go to use an ATM I have to freaking PICK to have it be in English. It's because when I call an automated service system I have to wait through five seconds of them offering for it to be in spanish if you press 2. It's because the mexican government not only encourages their citizens to try to illegally migrate to the US, they encourage them to try to bring their culture with them and change ours into theirs, and assimilate US instead of join in with everyone else. It's because I want my McDonalds menus to be in English, not Spanish, and especially not exclusively Spanish!

Now I know these are all generalizations, and not true of ALL hispanics, but y'know... I'm racist about it. I can't help it. I automatically assume all this is true about ALL hispanics I see. And I know it's not, but y'know, there are so many for whom it is true. I just can't stand the entire race.

If they want to come legally, learn english like everyone else, and become normal assimilated US people, great. If they want to take advantage of us, manipulate us, speak Spanish and be rude to us, screw them all.
Alright, that was rediculous. There is no reason to be offended that many services are now in English and Spanish. If you moved to a different country, wouldn't you be relieved and have your life easier because you can get information in your native tounge? I would! I have never seen menus totally in spanish (except at a spanish or mexican restaurant;)) To say Hispanics are making a unified attempt to assimilate the US is just silly, and in fact hispanic influence has helped shape the patchwork quilt that is American culture. They are not taking advantage or manipulating "US"(Your post seemed to have a very us or them mentality), they are here to start a better life. I do agree we need to have a better dialouge about illegal immigration in this country though. There is no such thing as "normal assimilated US people", everyone has a different backround here, and to suggest everyone else conforms to some White anglo-saxon norm is unfounded. I assume you must have met EVERY hispanic in the country if you think you are right in saying the vast majority of hispanics are rude. Finally, before you make these vast generalizations, you should really go out and meet hispanics, befriend them, and understand why your viewpoint is skewed. Hopefully then you can try to overcome your racism.

Flip side of my coin is while I don't mind most races... I live in a city with very large "minority" groups. We have a huge sections of the city that are a number of different cultural groups. There's an italian section. There's a chinese section. There's... dude, I don't even KNOW most of them, just they all have festivals which are a lot of fun to go to and get food and things.

I just can't STAND hispanics. It's not because they've got a different skin color, or even a different language. It's because there's a huge illegal population of them. It's becuase they REFUSE to learn English and assimilate like everyone else has. It's because they deliberately try to change our culture into theirs instead of joining the melting pot and being a part of us. It's because they're unfriendly to all non-hispanics. It's because every time I go to use an ATM I have to freaking PICK to have it be in English. It's because when I call an automated service system I have to wait through five seconds of them offering for it to be in spanish if you press 2. It's because the mexican government not only encourages their citizens to try to illegally migrate to the US, they encourage them to try to bring their culture with them and change ours into theirs, and assimilate US instead of join in with everyone else. It's because I want my McDonalds menus to be in English, not Spanish, and especially not exclusively Spanish!

Now I know these are all generalizations, and not true of ALL hispanics, but y'know... I'm racist about it. I can't help it. I automatically assume all this is true about ALL hispanics I see. And I know it's not, but y'know, there are so many for whom it is true. I just can't stand the entire race.

If they want to come legally, learn english like everyone else, and become normal assimilated US people, great. If they want to take advantage of us, manipulate us, speak Spanish and be rude to us, screw them all.

I wouldn't get too worried about it. When the Germans started coming right after independence, there were German language newspapers and city neighborhoods where all the store signs were in German, and a first generation that only knew enough English to not get arrested, and the same thing happened with Italians and the successive waves of immigrants. And yes, all the native born Americans hated them a lot, because they were dirty foreigners and couldn't speak the language and didn't understand the manners. But, people assimilate. Children born here can't help but learn English from the TV and radio and school. It's not that people come here and refuse to learn. Learning a new language as an adult is HARD, as hard for the Germans as it is now for Hispanics. I studied French and Spanish for YEARS and I'm still not that good. So I don't think it's that they're unwilling or lazy, they just have more important things to do, like work hard and feed their kids (who always speak better English than their parents), than to sit around with a grammer primer.

So chill out. Hispanics may yet join the melting pot. I live in a city with a huge Hispanic population and they run the gamut from people who just got here and speak no English at all to Hispanics who have been here since this was Mexico.

Also, hispanics aren't a "race" per se. (Race is bunk as a biological category anyway, but I digress.) You can be a black Cuban and be Hispanic. You can be a blonde/blue-eyed Argentine and be Hispanic.

Acutally, I think white is the most boring race ever. The people are so regular.. being spanish is so much fun we have a rich history of culture and dance. and our language is more arabic than latin! I love being spanish.. If I wasne't I'd probally lie and say I was anyways.




Yes, but also she diddint know you can get a scholarship if your anything other than white and you get above average. Ella es estupida.

You and your mother are racist. Sickening.

My last experience of racism was at work. The store manager calling one of the supervisors a "Paki" in the context of "thats what you get for working with Pakis". Hasn't changed me significantly but made me ponder for some time on the attitude and attributes of British society today.

No.
I've never ever encountered racism in any form, neither against myself nor against any of my friends.
Neither when growing up in Germany nor living here in Ireland.

We have the same type of thing here except it's mostly Brazilians. The problem we have her on Martha's Vineyard, is it's a small population to begin with so the problems seem more pronounced. However, you're outlook is totally racist (as is mine at times). The smartest way to approach immigration issues, would be to fix where they are coming from so they don't feel the need to emigrate. If the U.S. would spend less money on Border Patrol or Homeland Security and more on helping South and Central American economies, we could level the playing field for everyone.

I'm from Falmouth (about a mile of ocean away from the Vineyard). Yes, we have a large Brazilian population, the vast majority of which is there legally. Most have seasonal work permits allowing them to fill the plethora of summer jobs created by our overwhelming tourist industry, and most of them spend the rest of the year in Brazil. They come here to do he crappy jobs to feul our tourist economy that no one wants to do. The way I see it, we owe these overworked and underpaid seasonal workers a big Thank You. Also, I worked at a seafood restaurant for about three summers alongside many Brazilian people, and all of them who had been in the US for three months or more spoke English.

Have you ever experienced racism in your life? What happened? how did you react? Did it change your views and/or behavior?
Only the standard jokes/stereotypes because I'm British. But I don't care - I do drink tea in the afternoon, and while I wouldn't usually say 'jolly good, old bean' in everyday conversation, it's fun to sometimes play to the stereotypes (that'll teach those damned colonials :-).

I wouldn't get too worried about it. When the Germans started coming right after independence, there were German language newspapers and city neighborhoods where all the store signs were in German...

...

Also, hispanics aren't a "race" per se. (Race is bunk as a biological category anyway, but I digress.) You can be a black Cuban and be Hispanic. You can be a blonde/blue-eyed Argentine and be Hispanic.

Ok, I'll grant you most of that. But at very least most of those adult immigrants from other countries TRIED to learn the language unless they were very old when they came. My great grandmother and father spoke mostly German. But they still tried to learn English. My grandmother (who is 97 so this whole thing was quite a while ago) understood german becuase her parents and grandparents spoke it to each other. But she says they learned English, at least well enough to get by. They didn't expect the people here to learn German for them the way Spanish speaking people do now.

You're right. Hispanic isn't a race, and I've been maintaining I'm not a racist.

I'm a LANGUAGIST. English is not superior, it's just what we speak in this country, and if you want to be here, LEARN IT.

Only the standard jokes/stereotypes because I'm British. But I don't care - I do drink tea in the afternoon, and while I wouldn't usually say 'jolly good, old bean' in everyday conversation, it's fun to sometimes play to the stereotypes (that'll teach those damned colonials :-).
I can relate to that. My friends and I, being from all over the world, often will play fight or pretend to be their assorted stupid stereotypes. It's pretty funny, and it let's you appreciated just how dumb racism is. Actually, I once read a proposal in my school paper of a large scale version of this, "Stereotype Day", where we all come to school dressed and acting like our assorted steraotypes to show people how stupid it is and have fun. Sadly, the proposal didn't fly...:D

One day, he started talking to me, as some friends and I were talking about our ideal jobs. He butted in on our conversation (he was one of those people who would start talking to you even if you were having a conversation with a teacher:rolleyes: ) saying something to the effect of " Jews are really good at selling things. Maybe you'll become a door to door salesman when you grow up." I was pretty offended by this, even though I knew he was an idiot, because this was the first time I had ever had someone say something racist to me. I was also suprised that the kid, who was not only from another country but was the son of a mixed race couple would be so insensitive to that sort of thing (though of course many 10th generation anglo-saxon protestant white males in this country are just as considerate about what they say as anyone else).

Racism like that at my school exists...

However, we don't find it offensive. Something like that would've had us laughing. But, I guess since it was from a 'racist' person, we wouldn't have found it funny. Racism is kind of a huge joke at our school, everyone cracks them, no one is hurt.

(BTW, this isn't like when the black person walks away we start making black jokes. The black person is standing there, we make the joke, and everyone's happy. We understand the social dynamic at our school. Nobody gives a shit about the jokes. It's a way of life...

Gotta love LA)

I'm a LANGUAGIST. English is not superior, it's just what we speak in this country, and if you want to be here, LEARN IT.

The United States doesn't have an official language, English or otherwise. The language that we use reflects our culture and population. If it happens to change, so be it. English settlers didn't adopt any of the Native Americans' languages.

You're right. Hispanic isn't a race, and I've been maintaining I'm not a racist.

I'm a LANGUAGIST. English is not superior, it's just what we speak in this country, and if you want to be here, LEARN IT.
A racist by any other name...

And by the way, many people come here, try to raise a family and work a job and have little free time. Unfortunately, many immigrants don't have the luxury of time to take classes or learn English in any other ways besides just being immersed in it.

Racism like that at my school exists...

However, we don't find it offensive. Something like that would've had us laughing. But, I guess since it was from a 'racist' person, we wouldn't have found it funny. Racism is kind of a huge joke at our school, everyone cracks them, no one is hurt.
Read my post above your's. But this guy was being racist, it's just part of that whole social dynamic that lets you "know" if their serious or kidding around.

A racist by any other name...

And by the way, many people come here, try to raise a family and work a job and have little free time. Unfortunately, many immigrants don't have the luxury of time to take classes or learn English in any other ways besides just being immersed in it.Good job! I understand being a little mad because you can't speak English to some people, but you really have to understand this: Okay, say your 28 and you move to an Arabic speaking country. You don't speak Arabic. Your going to have a hard time learning it. Also, yes, we need to crack down on illegal immigration. That makes me mad.

Flip side of my coin is while I don't mind most races... I live in a city with very large "minority" groups. We have a huge sections of the city that are a number of different cultural groups. There's an italian section. There's a chinese section. There's... dude, I don't even KNOW most of them, just they all have festivals which are a lot of fun to go to and get food and things.

I just can't STAND hispanics. It's not because they've got a different skin color, or even a different language. It's because there's a huge illegal population of them. It's becuase they REFUSE to learn English and assimilate like everyone else has. It's because they deliberately try to change our culture into theirs instead of joining the melting pot and being a part of us. It's because they're unfriendly to all non-hispanics. It's because every time I go to use an ATM I have to freaking PICK to have it be in English. It's because when I call an automated service system I have to wait through five seconds of them offering for it to be in spanish if you press 2. It's because the mexican government not only encourages their citizens to try to illegally migrate to the US, they encourage them to try to bring their culture with them and change ours into theirs, and assimilate US instead of join in with everyone else. It's because I want my McDonalds menus to be in English, not Spanish, and especially not exclusively Spanish!

Now I know these are all generalizations, and not true of ALL hispanics, but y'know... I'm racist about it. I can't help it. I automatically assume all this is true about ALL hispanics I see. And I know it's not, but y'know, there are so many for whom it is true. I just can't stand the entire race.

If they want to come legally, learn english like everyone else, and become normal assimilated US people, great. If they want to take advantage of us, manipulate us, speak Spanish and be rude to us, screw them all.


Fuck it. I'm a racist.

I agree with every god-damned thing you just said.

The thing is that, the police and our government can't do crap shit about it, even our local government. There is a VERY large difference between the hispanic culture in my city and everyone else...

At least the asian immigrants TRY to learn English. It's the most broken thing I've ever heard in my life, but at least they god-damned fucking TRY. Hell, even my grandmother tries!

English should be our official language. And just because you're born here, that doesn't make you an American.

Good job! I understand being a little mad because you can't speak English to some people, but you really have to understand this: Okay, say your 28 and you move to an Arabic speaking country. You don't speak Arabic. Your going to have a hard time learning it. Also, yes, we need to crack down on illegal immigration. That makes me mad.

The thing is that tsome of them don't even try. The illegal population is so large here they never have to learn to speak English! An illegal child can go his entire life span in Los Angeles WITHOUT EVER SPEAKING ENGLISH!!!!

WTF?!?!

Good job! I understand being a little mad because you can't speak English to some people, but you really have to understand this: Okay, say your 28 and you move to an Arabic speaking country. You don't speak Arabic. Your going to have a hard time learning it.
So you agreed with my post? I wasn't the one mad about not being able to speak english to some people, that was Qwystyria. Actually, I speak good Spanish and am learning Arabic, coincidentally.:)

I have experienced the odd racist comment, usually delivered by idiotic teenage boys. This was both in South Africa and Australia. I've just given them a dirty look or something, but my friends have always stood up for me.

I remember I was at the cricket in Durban once and some white kids were sitting in front of us and they said something about "curry" (:rolleyes: yeah because thats ALL us Indians ever eat) and my friend, who is Portugeuse, leapt to my defence before I even had the time to say anything. She loudly and vehemently told them off, and I think they were really embarassed.

Thse things haven't really changed me. I know racism exists (I grew up in SA! My family were the victims of over a hundred years of institutional racism), and hey, I feel like a bigger person than people who feel the need to make those comments.

Fuck it. I'm a racist.

At least the asian immigrants TRY to learn English. It's the most broken thing I've ever heard in my life, but at least they god-damned fucking TRY. Hell, even my grandmother tries!

The thing is that they don't even try mostly. The illegal population is so large here they never have to learn to speak English! An illegal child can go his entire life span in Los Angeles WITHOUT EVER SPEAKING ENGLISH!!!!

Apparently you know every asian and hispanic in the country, so you can justify making that comment?:rolleyes: Children is this country DO learn English, because school enrolement is mandatory, and in school they'd be placed in an ESL class. Get your facts straight.

And just because you're born here, that doesn't make you an American.

What does? Being here 2, 3, or 10 generations? Being Native American? Or is it cultural diversity that you oppose?

Apparently you know every asian and hispanic in the country, so you can justify making that comment?:rolleyes: Children is this country DO learn English, because school enrolement is mandatory, and in school they'd be placed in an ESL class. Get your facts straight.

Bah, that's just me going on a rant. You'd be suprised. And the fact that school is mandatory for illegal immigrant children ALSO very deeply upsets me. Because they only pay god damned sales tax.

And everyone wonders why the hell our school and health systems are all fucked up...

Fuck Bush! No temporary worker program! SEND THEM HOME!

BTW, I'm not talking about legal immigrants. I could care less if you're a legal immigrant. I only have a problem with illegal immigrants. Funny thing is, if you put a bunch of illegal Chinese immigrants into an area (which is DEFINATELY on the rise), the value of the property doesn't plummet suddenly to non-existant.

What does? Being here 2, 3, or 10 generations? Being Native American? Or is it cultural diversity that you oppose?

Nope, either your parents both being American, or one of them, or living here 15 years. Children of immigrants in this country that are born here shouldn't automatically be American. 5 year waiting period, with all the rights and guarentees given to them as if they were green carders.

American culture wasn't born overnight. You shouldn't just 'become' American overnight.

(And yes we have a fucking culture.)

And the fact that school is mandatory for illegal immigrant children ALSO very deeply upsets me. Because they only pay god damned sales tax.

I'm sure you'd rather see the children of illegal immigrants, who by the way did not choose to immigrate illegally like their parents did, uneducated and unemployed. Sounds like a GREAT way to increase crime rates AND perpetuate the poverty of illegal immigrants.

I experience racism all the time in a very peculiar way. I am a Blond haired blue eyed tall white man. I dress well and speak well. As such people often treat me like "The Man" Not knowing I come from a multi ethnic family. It kills me, I get called whitey or honkey occasionally, but that doesn't bother me so much because usaully the people that say hatefull things like that are uneducated and just have open ended bigotry. What really bothers me is that I know I have recieved prefferential treatment for being white, I have been pulled over multiple times for traffic violations and I know I have gotten off everytime not because of what I was doing but because of the way I look. I have Never finished my college education (which I am doing now). But was promoted several times over in the different carrers I have had this far. I was promoted over friends of mine more qualified and better educated than I and the only reason I could think of is they were minorities and looked the "part." I have been in social situations where say a fight breaks out or there is some kind of arguement occuring complete strangers have either looked to me or come to me to take charge and asses the situation. I don't get it, each time the only thing special about me is that I happened to be the tallest whitest male around. WTF? The other shit that sickens me is when white racist approach me and assume that I too am a bigot. I always get a kick out of telling no thanks, my black uncle, asian cousins, and latina girlfirend might take issue with that so FUCK OFF! Anyway it is this kind os subversive racism that is really dangerous.

I'm sure you'd rather see the children of illegal immigrants, who by the way did not choose to immigrate illegally like their parents did, uneducated and unemployed. Sounds like a GREAT way to increase crime rates AND perpetuate the poverty of illegal immigrants.

They shouldn't even be here in the first place. Keep the 'American' children here, but send the illegal parents home. Put them into good foster homes.

Actually, fuck that.

Just annex Mexico. We should've done it a long time ago. A lot of our problems would be done and over with. Especially since the Mexican population is just moving to the United States anyways, what the hell do we have to lose?

Bah, that's just me going on a rant. You'd be suprised. And the fact that school is mandatory for illegal immigrant children ALSO very deeply upsets me. Because they only pay god damned sales tax.

And everyone wonders why the hell our school and health systems are all fucked up...

Fuck Bush! No temporary worker program! SEND THEM HOME!

BTW, I'm not talking about legal immigrants. I could care less if you're a legal immigrant. I only have a problem with illegal immigrants. Funny thing is, if you put a bunch of illegal Chinese immigrants into an area (which is DEFINATELY on the rise), the value of the property doesn't plummet suddenly to non-existant.
I'mguessing you are unaware of the fact that illegal migrant labour contributes MORE to the US economy than it uses in benefits. Sounds like YOU should get shipped off to some third world country for being unproductive. :rolleyes:

Thats another thing. Why should people be allowed to call Americans Yanks and Enlgish to be called Limys and Australians to be called ossies but you can't say paki or nigga i mean why not. It's like in Pokemon on gameboy where they changed it from "Ash blacked out" to "ash whited out" because people complained saying it was racist but why is it not racist if it says "whited out"??!

In India somewhere there is a border to mecca i think where if you are a non muslim then you can't go through. Imagine if England said that only Catholics could immigrate to England. Exactly!

Other races especially the Islams and such come to England and build mosques where there were once churches get free houses off us and then complain about how much they hate us. It's terrible and if i get banned for saying this then fine but people need to wake up to the fact Islam causes trouble.

Just annex Mexico. We should've done it a long time ago. A lot of our problems would be done and over with. Especially since the Mexican population is just moving to the United States anyways, what the hell do we have to lose? I really can't understand why people are accusing Americans of cultural arrogance.:rolleyes:

Being Half-American,Half-British (I've got to stop starting all my posts with this...:) ) In the US I'm a 'damn limey', and in the UK I'm a 'bloody yank'. Admitedly on the whole I get that from my friends, who I know are joking, but every now and then you get some idiot on a bus or plane or something who starts mouthing off about how "your country is responsible for all the troubles in the world"... It may be true, but there's no need to ram it down my throat! (Which country? you ask. As all Americans reach for their guns... and the Brits shapen, erm, thier wit :p )

Seriosly though, as a white male, aged 22. I get off pretty lightly in the racist stakes, unlike some of my ex girlfriends (One Black Kenyan, one Chinese- from Hong Kong to be specific, one Indian and one Greek-Iranian), although admitedly I always tended to be the one who got more upset about it, often getting dragged away because its 'not worth it'. grrr.

As mentioned before, I found some of the women of the same race as my gf (in all cases), to be more than a little cold towards me. Like she'd lowered herself or something. But that could just because I'm not very attractive :D

Being completely contriversial for a minute, what do people think about positive discrimination? Now that I have been a victim of quite a few times. Is this fair? I know it exists in all forms, not just race, educational background and so on. The argument tends to be about addressing the 'balance', as pointed out earlier, things like scholarships may be easier for different races/backgrounds in order for 'quotas' to be reached.

Isn't this a little patronising? Implying that the person couldn't get there on thier own merit? Just a thought.

One thing I seriously object to is this The Times, October 31, 2005 'Those whose English abilities fall below the basic level official English for Speakers of Other Languages entry three standard will take a less rigorous test.'
This is for the British Citizenship test.

Why!? The UK does have a national language, and Welsh, Gaelic, and Cornish issues aside (I'm actually a quarter Irish and a quarter Cornish if you want to start getting really specific), its English. Shouldn't that mean you should speak it to a reasonable level? Why should people applying to be a citizen get an easier test if you don't speak the language?

I'm damn certain it isn't the case elsewhere and I wouldn't expect it to be either. If you know different, please say, so I can go cry in a corner over another country thats gone too PC for its own good. ;)

Does this make me racist? You decide?

I really can't understand why people are accusing Americans of cultural arrogance.:rolleyes:

? Where did you get 'cultural arrogance'?

Their 'culture', if you're talking about their Country's status, is definately FAILING, all capitals. Their culture is so bad, they move to our 'culture' of the United States of America. They must like our 'culture' better, since it seems to be working.

Why make them move? Why not just bring our better 'culture' to them?

I'mguessing you are unaware of the fact that illegal migrant labour contributes MORE to the US economy than it uses in benefits. Sounds like YOU should get shipped off to some third world country for being unproductive

Not really. Illegal immigrants can easily be replaced with automation and/or AMERICAN workers. This isn't the 1920s, where we need immigrant workers to do stuff for us. It's like the cotton gin, in a way, during the times of Slavery in the United States. The cotton gin, mechanical automation, began to move 'slaves' out of being important.

Just use mechanical automatons. We don't even need to pay the automatons.

Nor do we have to pay for their healthcare and education!

It's a win/win situation!

I'm a teenage white male living in Maryland (US). I'm high middle-class. I'm bisexual.

Some of the so-called 'ghetto' kids at my school (you know the type, the ones who play into the negative black stereotype) are racist against me because I'm white, but it's no biggie, I couldn't care less what they think. (note that i'm not racist against blacks, nor am i prejudiced, but most of the black people at my school TRY to fit into the negative stereotype, which annoys the hell out of me).

I've also encountered homophobia (which I think is just as bad as racism) because I'm bi. Since it is normally straight males who discriminate against my sexuality, I respond by hitting on them, which scares them off.

Thats another thing. Why should people be allowed to call Americans Yanks and Enlgish to be called Limys and Australians to be called ossies but you can't say paki or nigga i mean why not. It's like in Pokemon on gameboy where they changed it from "Ash blacked out" to "ash whited out" because people complained saying it was racist but why is it not racist if it says "whited out"??!

In India somewhere there is a border to mecca i think where if you are a non muslim then you can't go through. Imagine if England said that only Catholics could immigrate to England. Exactly!

Other races especially the Islams and such come to England and build mosques where there were once churches get free houses off us and then complain about how much they hate us. It's terrible and if i get banned for saying this then fine but people need to wake up to the fact Islam causes trouble.

I hope you do get banned. If not for racism than for sheer ignorance. India does not share a order with SAUDI ARABIA (the state Mecca, a CITY, is in). CBF's fixing the rest, if it's even possible.

I hope you do get banned. If not for racism than for sheer ignorance. India does not share a order with SAUDI ARABIA (the state Mecca, a CITY, is in). CBF's fixing the rest, if it's even possible.

Is being ignorance really grounds for banishment?

If so...

We should all be banned.

? Where did you get 'cultural arrogance'?

Their 'culture', if you're talking about their Country's status, is definately FAILING, all capitals. Their culture is so bad, they move to our 'culture' of the United States of America. They must like our 'culture' better, since it seems to be working.

Why make them move? Why not just bring our better 'culture' to them?



Not really. Illegal immigrants can easily be replaced with automation and/or AMERICAN workers. This isn't the 1920s, where we need immigrant workers to do stuff for us. It's like the cotton gin, in a way, during the times of Slavery in the United States. The cotton gin, mechanical automation, began to move 'slaves' out of being important.

Just use mechanical automatons. We don't even need to pay the automatons.

Nor do we have to pay for their healthcare and education!

It's a win/win situation!
Wow, what an outstanding example of proving someone's point. Firstly, we do need illegals to do work for us. Grudgingly, it's how our system works. Your desire for cheap produce is a major factor in how the U.S. operates the U.S.-Mexican border. We really are not trying to seal it. What "we" are paying for the alleged benefits to these people is a mere drop in the ocean to what they add to the economy. Although, I admit I find it irritating as hell they have a much better chance at getting free healthcare than I do. Most of us Americans have no business getting uppity about immigrants, because we are all from somewhere else in our ancestral lines.
The "cultural arrogance" they are referring to is just the kind of crap you're spouting. We Americans are perceived by the world as thinking we're the best country ever. You misunderstand the reasoning behind most immigrants coming here. They don't come here for our culture, they come here for the oppurtunities we have. Mexicans aren't sneaking in to take jobs from Americans, they come here to do jobs Americans won't do.

Other races especially the Islams and such come to England and build mosques where there were once churches get free houses off us and then complain about how much they hate us.

While I don't agree entirely with the sentiments, it is true that the UK's benefits system is incredibly easy to abuse, no matter what race you are.

I personally know plenty of British Citizens claiming unemployment benefits who "do a bit of work on the side", living in a house given to them by the government, with Satellite TV and manage to afford go on holiday/vacation every year. Its not right, and its my tax money paying for it, but thats the price you pay for a decent benefit system in the first place.

Of course the fact that huge proportions of (illegal and legal) immigrents tend to travel through Germany, France or Spain, just to get here, must mean something. I'm pretty certain the free healthcare, housing, education and allowances has something to do with it. :p Its not like they are just crossing a border (i.e. Mexico to USA). Sometimes its most of Europe!

Still, claiming its the 'Islams' (at least use a real word!) fault is just stupid, vocabulary aside.

They don't come here for our culture, they come here for the oppurtunities we have. Mexicans aren't sneaking in to take jobs from Americans, they come here to do jobs Americans won't do.

Which, ultimately means, their 'culture' is failing. The American culture seems to be working. And working well. Our culture of working Capitalism produces the oppurtunities for them to come here. Your logic is faulty. I don't understand why, if their 'culture' was so much better, they wouldn't just stay in Mexico (which is where the majority of our illegal immigrants come from. Since, in case you didn't know, the southern border of mexico looks like the Berlin wall did).

And our 'culture' is working to the point where we can have a 8+% (the 5% statistic produced by the government, and then the addition of those who aren't counted by the Government but are unemployed just the same) unemployment rate of just American workers, have to pay for their healthcare taxes, and their education. Yep, this culture seems to be working.

So, why can't I be happy in my country's success?

Oh yeah, because, for some reason, that makes me a racist.

Well, there was that manga monopoly thing, but other than that, I can't say I've ever really encountered racism.

Which, ultimately means, their 'culture' is failing. The American culture seems to be working. And working well. Our culture of working Capitalism produces the oppurtunities for them to come here. Your logic is faulty. I don't understand why, if their 'culture' was so much better, they wouldn't just stay in Mexico (which is where the majority of our illegal immigrants come from. Since, in case you didn't know, the southern border of mexico looks like the Berlin wall did).

And our 'culture' is working to the point where we can have a 8+% (the 5% statistic produced by the government, and then the addition of those who aren't counted by the Government but are unemployed just the same) unemployment rate of just American workers, have to pay for their healthcare taxes, and their education. Yep, this culture seems to be working.

So, why can't I be happy in my country's success?

Oh yeah, because, for some reason, that makes me a racist.

You obviously don't know the difference between culture and economy. You want everyone in the U.S. to speak English, yet, you barely have a grasp of it yourself.

I grew up in North Carolina and have experienced a lot of racism. The things I can remember were:


- trick or treating, and having the door slammed in my face by someone yelling "there's a little ****** boy outside!"

- at school a kid saying he had something to tell me and when I got closer tying a noose around my neck and yanking me around.

- classmates calling me 'jungle-man', 'monkeyboy', '******-grease', etc

- in high school, getting attacked by a skinhead while I was in the library.

- in college almost getting arrested for trespassing because the cops thought I wasn't really the resident of my dorm room

- nowadays I'll get jokingly asked for money by people who mistake me for a beggar, and get treated pretty rudely every now and then. But on the whole not bad at all.



In short, some people can be total bastards, especially when you don't look like them. I'm just glad there are decent people in this world too. Oh and people of middle-eastern descent are probably having it much worse than I ever did.

You obviously don't know the difference between culture and economy. You want everyone in the U.S. to speak English, yet, you barely have a grasp of it yourself.

I'm sorry, but in case you never learned, the United States culture is very much dependant upon its outlook on the economy. Our entire culture is derived economic toil and hardship, starting with, but not limited to, the American Revolution. The United States culture is based off of freedom of expression, starting with freedom of RELIGIOUS expression then on to ECONOMIC expression without government interference.

Cut the shit, there is a complete different between internet forum writing and essay writing. I just type. I only edit when I hit the little edit button after I have already posted. Have you ever seen one of my essays? You would probably get lost in all of the correct grammar.

Can we stop talking about the "white race" and the "black race"? Races have no scientific basis when it comes to homo sapiens. There is more physical, physiological, and genetic diversity within a single geographic group (for example, Africans) than there is between such supposed groups. Sub-Saharan Africans vary more among themselves than they do in comparison with people elsewhere. The idea of race isn't really scientifically valid for describing human biological variation.

Can we stop talking about the "white race" and the "black race"? Races have no scientific basis when it comes to homo sapiens. There is more physical, physiological, and genetic diversity within a single geographic group (for example, Africans) than there is between such supposed groups. Sub-Saharan Africans vary more among themselves than they do in comparison with people elsewhere. The idea of race isn't really scientifically valid for describing human biological variation.

We aren't talking about scientific validity. We're talking about racism.

What was that? I couldnt read half of it because it was written in font size -1, what kind of audiance are you writing to, ants?

How old are you???? Every time you attempt to defend yourself with a witty comeback all that comes out is something that a 7 year old would dismisss as pathetic. Just shut up before you dig yourself even deeper.

We aren't talking about scientific validity. We're talking about racism.

I know, I guess I just thought I'd bring up one more reason why racism is so ridiculous.

Racists hate me.

I'm a second-generation mongrel. Both my sets of grandparents were race traitors.

My father's mother was Irish Catholic.
My father's father was a Polish jew.
My mother's mother was a native Puerto Rican.
My mother's father was European Spanish.

On top of that I have a hispanic ethnicity.

I also have a degree in Physics, a beautiful wife and child, a house and a job I love.

I am the epitome of the American Melting Pot and proof that a human 'mongrel' can be greater than the sum of his parts.

They hate that. :D

A racist by any other name...

And by the way, many people come here, try to raise a family and work a job and have little free time. Unfortunately, many immigrants don't have the luxury of time to take classes or learn English in any other ways besides just being immersed in it.

Did you even read my first post? (Post #51) I understand the difficulties of learning a new language. I'm not saying they have to magically learn it *poof*. I'm just saying they have to try. And not all of them do. Also, there are many many free ESL classes, particuarly in areas where these people are. And if they have kids, they can try to learn it from/with their kids. They are NOT isolated from the language unless they isolate themselves. What's wrong with them learning a language by immersion?

Racists hate me.

I'm a second-generation mongrel. Both my sets of grandparents were race traitors.

My father's mother was Irish Catholic.
My father's father was a Polish jew.
My mother's mother was a native Puerto Rican.
My mother's father was European Spanish.

On top of that I have a hispanic enthnicity.

I also have a degree in Physics, a beautiful wife and child, a house and a job I love.

I am the epitome of the American Melting Pot and proof that a human 'mongrel' can be greater than the sum of his parts.

They hate that. :D


Heh. Sweet. You're exactly what I would call... a pure-blood American.

Wow, what an outstanding example of proving someone's point. Firstly, we do need illegals to do work for us. Grudgingly, it's how our system works. Your desire for cheap produce is a major factor in how the U.S. operates the U.S.-Mexican border. We really are not trying to seal it. What "we" are paying for the alleged benefits to these people is a mere drop in the ocean to what they add to the economy. Although, I admit I find it irritating as hell they have a much better chance at getting free healthcare than I do. Most of us Americans have no business getting uppity about immigrants, because we are all from somewhere else in our ancestral lines.
The "cultural arrogance" they are referring to is just the kind of crap you're spouting. We Americans are perceived by the world as thinking we're the best country ever. You misunderstand the reasoning behind most immigrants coming here. They don't come here for our culture, they come here for the oppurtunities we have. Mexicans aren't sneaking in to take jobs from Americans, they come here to do jobs Americans won't do.


We DO NOT need illegals. We need immigrants, yes. We always have. We ALL (well, almost all) are immigrants. And I hope immigrants will always be welcome in this country. But we don't need illegal immigrants. We need legal ones.

Immigrants, yes. Illegals, NO.

Can anyone explain to me why it is OK for a minority group to use racial remarks against other minorities who don't toe the party line?

Did you even read my first post? (Post #51) I understand the difficulties of learning a new language. I'm not saying they have to magically learn it *poof*. I'm just saying they have to try. And not all of them do. Also, there are many many free ESL classes, particuarly in areas where these people are. And if they have kids, they can try to learn it from/with their kids. They are NOT isolated from the language unless they isolate themselves. What's wrong with them learning a language by immersion? All I pointed out was that you made, and are making, a lot of generalizations. You cannot say, nor can anyone else, that you know such a large segment of the Hispanic population you are positive so many of them "don't try". About immersion: I totally think immersion can teach you a lot, but you aren't trying so much as picking it up, so I assumed you were talking about immigrants spending time taking classes and studying, something not all of them have the time to do.

??? uhm I think asian has the most diffrent sub groups of people in it.
and yes "white" does have dance... ballet. woo. And please lets not get into who race has more culture, It was ment to be scarcastic.

Pirate Jigs, Scottish Fling, Irish dance, ballroom dancing, Pagan dancing to the idols...

??? uhm I think asian has the most diffrent sub groups of people in it.
and yes "white" does have dance... ballet. woo. And please lets not get into who race has more culture, It was ment to be scarcastic.

What is it that you consider denoted by the term "Asian"?

I just can't STAND hispanics. It's not because they've got a different skin color, or even a different language.

'Hispanics' do not a race comprise.

Have you ever experienced racism in your life? What happened? how did you react? Did it change your views and/or behavior?

-snip-

And you?

I've experienced some prejudice and discrimination here in Japan. Usually it's just totally ignorant comments like "Wow, you play igo* well for a foreigner."

But that's rather to be expected from a population that's been raised on such ideas as the Japanese brain processes sound differently from other brains and has difficulty producing a distinction between "l" and "r", foreign beef can not be digested by Japanese intestines, Japanese snow is uniquely damp and thus not suitable for western skis, Japan is unique in having 4 seasons, etc.

On the otherhand, I have occassionally to problems such as being refusewd service at shops or restaurants.

Usually I deal with the lesser affronts by dismissing them or pointing them out as incorrect and explaining why, depending on the situation. The greater affronts I deal with by first asking in Japanese why it's happening. Sometimes this works well, and the situation is resolved. Othertimes it hasn't. When it doesn't work I usually state that the shops policy is discriminatory. If that doesn't work (and it usually doesn't) I start making a fuss or lewave and don't come back, again depending on the situation. Making a fuss doesn't resolve the problem, but it does upset the shopkepper and allows me to walk away having done something about the problem.

The legal situation is murkey (as is often the case here).
Japan is a signatory to the UN Convention on Racial Discrimination. However, to my knowledge, the government has yet to take legislative action to bar businesses and other public places from refusing entry to customers based on nationality and "race".

*If you don't know igo, check it out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igo

I've experienced some prejudice and discrimination here in Japan. Usually it's just totally ignorant comments like "Wow, you play igo* well for a foreigner."

But that's rather to be expected from a population that's been raised on such ideas as the Japanese brain processes sound differently from other brains and has difficulty producing a distinction between "l" and "r", foreign beef can not be digested by Japanese intestines, Japanese snow is uniquely damp and thus not suitable for western skis, Japan is unique in having 4 seasons, etc.

On the otherhand, I have occassionally to problems such as being refusewd service at shops or restaurants.

Usually I deal with the lesser affronts by dismissing them or pointing them out as incorrect and explaining why, depending on the situation. The greater affronts I deal with by first asking in Japanese why it's happening. Sometimes this works well, and the situation is resolved. Othertimes it hasn't. When it doesn't work I usually state that the shops policy is discriminatory. If that doesn't work (and it usually doesn't) I start making a fuss or lewave and don't come back, again depending on the situation. Making a fuss doesn't resolve the problem, but it does upset the shopkepper and allows me to walk away having done something about the problem.

The legal situation is murkey (as is often the case here).
Japan is a signatory to the UN Convention on Racial Discrimination. However, to my knowledge, the government has yet to take legislative action to bar businesses and other public places from refusing entry to customers based on nationality and "race".

*If you don't know igo, check it out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igo


Oh yeah... That's one of the kickers. My world history teacher went on a little diatribe about how racist the Japanese culture is after something a student said or some mention of how they don't believe they have any connection to the Chinese people genetically. Then the Ainu(sp) were brought up....

i used to be racist

so there.

i used to be racist

so there.

In my Elementary School when I lived in Orlando, some people tried to start a race war. This was in Florida and they didn't like the Portuguese or Spanish speaking kids because they found them to be even more vicious than they were when it came to competitive sports and such things.

-snip-
Yeah, I read last summer something about how in the far north the Japanese shopowners in the port towns are really discrimanatory against the Rusians. Also, there was something a few weeks ago about rising racism there, with anime comic books depicting slanted histories that make the Chinese and Koreans sound like barbarians. It also mentioned something I didn't know since I don't read comics: apparently, even though Japanese people are given that classic anime wide-eyed caucasian look, other asians are drawn like middle of the last century stereotypes with slanted eyes and stuff. True?

Racists hate me.

I'm a second-generation mongrel. Both my sets of grandparents were race traitors.

My father's mother was Irish Catholic.
My father's father was a Polish jew.
My mother's mother was a native Puerto Rican.
My mother's father was European Spanish.

On top of that I have a hispanic ethnicity.

I also have a degree in Physics, a beautiful wife and child, a house and a job I love.

I am the epitome of the American Melting Pot and proof that a human 'mongrel' can be greater than the sum of his parts.

They hate that. :D


Amen. As Bill Murray said in that great b-movie Stripes

We're all very different people. We're not Watusi, we're not Spartans, we're Americans. With a capital "A", huh? And you know what that means? Do you? That means that our forefathers were kicked out of every decent country in the world. We are the wretched refuse. We're the underdog. We're mutts.

Oh yeah... That's one of the kickers. My world history teacher went on a little diatribe about how racist the Japanese culture is after something a student said or some mention of how they don't believe they have any connection to the Chinese people genetically. Then the Ainu(sp) were brought up....

The Ainu are almost gone. Burakumin, Ryukyuans (Okinawa), Koreans, and Chinese are also fair sized minorities.

I will say that I'm lucky in a sense. Prejudice in Japan does follow distinct patterns similar to the "house/feild ******" distinction some times made by Blacks in the US. (see here for an example (http://www.bondinfo.org/media/articles/archives/racism.htm).)

People of European/Western apperance are often treated much better than those who are not.

Yeah, I read last summer something about how in the far north the Japanese shopowners in the port towns are really discrimanatory against the Rusians. Also, there was something a few weeks ago about rising racism there, with anime comic books depicting slanted histories that make the Chinese and Koreans sound like barbarians. It also mentioned something I didn't know since I don't read comics: apparently, even though Japanese people are given that classic anime wide-eyed caucasian look, other asians are drawn like middle of the last century stereotypes with slanted eyes and stuff. True?

For the first, I know that's true for sure. It was aimed at Russians, but ended up being a catch all for anyone who didn't look Japanese. See http://www.debito.org/ for details.

As for the second part, that was the NYT article, wasn't it?

You read the NYT even though you're over in isolated Osaka;) . You, sir, are my hero. I'm a total Times fanatic!:)

Um..A, MY neighborhood and school doesn't have many very obvious racial problems. I'm not saying they're not there, just that it IS better compared to a lot of other places in this country. Second, everything you said about black people was racist. I'm sorry, but it was. I'm appauled you said that black Canadians "weren't people to fear like they are in this country." I happen to know and be friends with many African-Americans, all of whom are just as smart, funny, polite and orderly as anyone else. You seem to me to be quite paranoid.

Oh, and by the way, the only reason the crime rate is higher among blacks is because of all the bigotry and exclusionism they experienced, which often led them to take crummy jobs "white" people wouldn't do, resulting in an income gap that continues to plauge African-Americans in many regards to this day due to latant racism, or even open racisim such as that contained in your post. Please take your bigoted ideas somewhere else.


It's not racism when it's the truth. Most of the black people in Canada are immigrants from Africa or Europe. Besides I have two African friends that agreed with me after I told them about this post. They don't even want to be associated with the so-called "African American". They did tell me that what I wrote could be construed as rascism, but overall I was correct in my assessment. They both work hard, have good paying jobs and see most Americans as basically lazy (white & black).

As far as your comment about the higher crime rate well, I laugh at that. What a lame excuse. Most people in this world deal with hardships that they work extremely hard to get over and past without resorting to crime. I'd blame a lack of education before I'd blame bigotry. We really need a better school system in this country in both inner city and rural areas.

Yeah I've experienced racism, frequently during the Spy Plane incident with China a few years back. Most of it consisted of the usual name calling and prank calls(I get the feeling my family was targeted because of our last names). Though one time, I had this old black guy spit on me when I passed him, luckily I manage to restrain myself from beating him to a bloody pulp. I hardly experience any open racism today, but then again I attend a Uni where the stupid do not get in.

You read the NYT even though you're over in isolated Osaka;) . You, sir, are my hero. I'm a total Times fanatic!:)

Osaka is hardly isolated, even if I sometimes make oit out to be so. :)

I read the International Herald Tribune, which is for all intents and purposes the international version of the NYT, 4 days of the 6 it's published here. http://www.nytco.com/company-properties-times.html#iht

However, NYT bylines are also on several articles in the Daily Yomiuri as well as various online nes sites I visit.

With that knowledge, I am now perfectly willing to move to Japan:) Actually, It's seriously high on my list of places I want to visit...Anyway, back to the topic...

I hope you do get banned. If not for racism than for sheer ignorance. India does not share a order with SAUDI ARABIA (the state Mecca, a CITY, is in). CBF's fixing the rest, if it's even possible.

Okay fine i made a mistake but you missed the point entirely!
The point being that if England was to do something similar then there would be an uproar about it so why should we let them into our country!

And i hate people being tedious and pointing out every mistake i know that i shouldn't have started this with "And"

Imagine if England said that only Catholics could immigrate to England.
That would be very amusing, especially with the whole "The Church of England is Protestant" thing...

What of race patriotism though? Not racism, merely pride in one's ethnicity. This is different in that its not blind discrimination, but rather it supports the notion that we are all different yet equal. To preserve our differences we should not mix our bloods. A world where everyone was the same would be pretty dull.

What of race patriotism though? Not racism, merely pride in one's ethnicity. This is different in that its not blind discrimination, but rather it supports the notion that we are all different yet equal. To preserve our differences we should not mix our bloods. A world where everyone was the same would be pretty dull.
That's fine and dandy as long as you long as you don't try and force that belief on others. Then there will be problems.

That's fine and dandy as long as you long as you don't try and force that belief on others. Then there will be problems.
Of course not. It has little to do with imposing one's beliefs on others, and far more to do with separatism. For instance, keeping Europe, Australia and Canada for the Caucasians, Asia for the Asians, Africa for the Africans and the USA as the melting pot, whilst allowing low levels of immigrants (say 10% at most) to enter. This way cultures would be preserved rather than merged. Globalisation is fine in all respects, except that it is a form of uniculturalism, thus eradicating all differences and melting down everything into a "oneness" that is undesirable. Europe's approach to it has been good though, as each of the member states has maintained its respective culture.

What of race patriotism though? Not racism, merely pride in one's ethnicity. This is different in that its not blind discrimination, but rather it supports the notion that we are all different yet equal. To preserve our differences we should not mix our bloods. A world where everyone was the same would be pretty dull.

Well I don't know about you, but I live in a country that lets people choose who they want to marry. It's ok if you want race patriotism, there are still plenty of neo-nazi groups for you to join. Just don't expect everyone else to be waving a white pride banner.

Also, blacks are only about 12% of the population, and other minorities less. So from a logistics standpoint there's no way everyone can mix. And in a racially segregated world, as is ours for the most part, the people we hang out with already are the same race as us.


PS- Just curious, does your idea of race patriotism distinguish between, say, Slavic and Germanic races?

Personally, I am very lucky to be living in NYC, which doesn't seem to have many race issues anymore.

I live in New York too so its the same....but a lot of kids make racist comments but only as jokes...nothing to take offence to.

Well I don't know about you, but I live in a country that lets people choose who they want to marry. It's ok if you want race patriotism, there are still plenty of neo-nazi groups for you to join. Just don't expect everyone else to be waving a white pride banner.

Also, blacks are only about 12% of the population, and other minorities less. So from a logistics standpoint there's no way everyone can mix. And in a racially segregated world, as is ours for the most part, the people we hang out with already are the same race as us.


PS- Just curious, does your idea of race patriotism distinguish between, say, Slavic and Germanic races?
Neo-Nazism has hatred for other races as part of its ideology. I do not support such notions. I am not prejudiced against anyone, and judge someone by the person.

As for who one wants to marry, people tend to be attracted to people of their own colour anyway, mainly in terms of what features turn them on etc, so those who do choose to marry a person of different race are few.

And no, it definitely does not go so far as to distinguish between sub-subraces of the human race. Germanic and slavic are more linked to culture than anything else. African blacks separate themselves into tribes which they consider different races, but these are in fact merely different cultures. So no, that height of distinction would be unnecessary.

I've experienced some prejudice and discrimination here in Japan. Usually it's just totally ignorant comments like "Wow, you play igo* well for a foreigner."

But that's rather to be expected from a population that's been raised on such ideas as the Japanese brain processes sound differently from other brains and has difficulty producing a distinction between "l" and "r", foreign beef can not be digested by Japanese intestines, Japanese snow is uniquely damp and thus not suitable for western skis, Japan is unique in having 4 seasons, etc.

On the otherhand, I have occassionally to problems such as being refusewd service at shops or restaurants.

Usually I deal with the lesser affronts by dismissing them or pointing them out as incorrect and explaining why, depending on the situation. The greater affronts I deal with by first asking in Japanese why it's happening. Sometimes this works well, and the situation is resolved. Othertimes it hasn't. When it doesn't work I usually state that the shops policy is discriminatory. If that doesn't work (and it usually doesn't) I start making a fuss or lewave and don't come back, again depending on the situation. Making a fuss doesn't resolve the problem, but it does upset the shopkepper and allows me to walk away having done something about the problem.

The legal situation is murkey (as is often the case here).
Japan is a signatory to the UN Convention on Racial Discrimination. However, to my knowledge, the government has yet to take legislative action to bar businesses and other public places from refusing entry to customers based on nationality and "race".

*If you don't know igo, check it out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igo

Baka gaijin... ;)

I'm not suprised. The three major asiatic cultures, especially the Japanese, are very known for their traditionalist and xenophobic bents. For China, it has to do with the two Opium Wars and the Boxer Rebellion, and then the divying up of China. For the Japanese, it has to do with the isolation of Japan for nearly 300 years after the expulsion of the White Christians (and the conversion of Japanese Christians back to Buddhism/execution, except for where my family is from), with exception of Nagasaki. For the Koreans... well... we won't talk about them.

Plus, the Japanese culture is rather arrogant towards other races, especially Koreans. Japanese history has been about Japan finally setting its dominance, culturally, economically, or militarily, over Asia, starting with the defeat of the 1st Mongol Invasion. The first Kamikaze. Followed by the second Kamikaze, and then the eventual take over of Korea for a short period of time (which ultimately failed because of logistical failures).

The real Japanese arrogance began to rise after Commodore Perry landed on the shores of Japan. While China was destroyed by the coming of the Europeans, Japan went from a peasant farming, feudalistic society in the 1870s, to having one of the most powerful industries by the 1900s. Within 30 years, the Japanese had made an impressive industrial move, coupled with annexing Korea and Taiwan, followed closely with the Russo-Japanese War. After Admiral Togo destroyed the Russian Fleet at the Battle of Tsushima Strait, the entire world went into flux, and Japan cemented its status as the most powerful Asian nation. Japan, a non-white nation, had defeated Russia, a powerful European fleet. And so began the beginnings of the eventuality of WWII, with the unsuccessful peace settlement presided over by Teddy Roosevelt.

And finally, Japanese reconstruction after WWII and its rise to domination over the electronic markets.

PS: I also forgot to mention that the population of Japan is almost ENTIRELY Japanese. Very few foreigners live in Japan. Japan is homogenous, and almost everyone speaks Japanese as their first language. This isn't America. Japan is defiantely NOT a melting pot for races. Definately for cultures, but not races.

What of race patriotism though? Not racism, merely pride in one's ethnicity. This is different in that its not blind discrimination, but rather it supports the notion that we are all different yet equal. To preserve our differences we should not mix our bloods. A world where everyone was the same would be pretty dull.
I dont believe this world needs anymore a limited genepool then what it already has.
Racial Puritans are nuts.

As far a racist segregation...maybe in poebunk Iowa. Where 'Yu dun fyn un dem colards' it might be single race only relationships but here in civilization I am friends with all manner of peoples--the terms race is in and of itself flawed and I take every chance not to justify its use by using it myself.

I know West Africans, Caribbeaners, South Americans(of Both Latin and African Descent), All manner of Europeans(though mostly Eastern), good people from the Indian sub-continent, the Pacific Rim, Polynesia, Far East Asia and South East Asia, Central Asia,the Arabian Peninsula, and North Africa---Friends. How disgusting a thought of living in a homogenious community. Blah.

The mere fact I can walk into a room and discuss the Koran with one person the Bible with another, we all can order Thai from a Laotian, While evedropping on conversation being held by two Germans makes me a staunch supporter of Multiculturalism.

Neo-Nazism has hatred for other races as part of its ideology. I do not support such notions. I am not prejudiced against anyone, and judge someone by the person.

As for who one wants to marry, people tend to be attracted to people of their own colour anyway, mainly in terms of what features turn them on etc, so those who do choose to marry a person of different race are few.

And no, it definitely does not go so far as to distinguish between sub-subraces of the human race. Germanic and slavic are more linked to culture than anything else. African blacks separate themselves into tribes which they consider different races, but these are in fact merely different cultures. So no, that height of distinction would be unnecessary.

I don't know. I've seen Kenyans and they don't look a thing like for instance Nigerians. And Slavs have a look all to their own. You don't have to travel very far in any direction to find new types of people. And you can usually tell Korean, Mongolian and Thai apart from each other. This world is a lot more diverse than you seem to believe.

Also, If you're advocating race patriotism, then by definition you're advocating nationalism. And since there's no way to seal off national borders and defend racial purity without strong government, then you're advocating national socialism. Hence my suggestion that you check out the neo-nazis.


EDIT: I'd also recommend checking out the latest genetic markers at https://www5.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/atlas.html

I don't know. I've seen Kenyans and they don't look a thing like for instance Nigerians. And Slavs have a look all to their own. You don't have to travel very far in any direction to find new types of people. And you can usually tell Korean, Mongolian and Thai apart from each other. This world is a lot more diverse than you seem to believe.

Also, If you're advocating race patriotism, then by definition you're advocating nationalism. And since there's no way to seal off national borders and defend racial purity without strong government, then you're advocating national socialism. Hence my suggestion that you check out the neo-nazis.
Give it a few years, and there will be no slavs/germanics etc. Europe is already integrating. Making distinctions between each subrace becoming increasingly futile. So no, I am in no way advocating nationalism. Do not try and make arbitrary conclusions about what I believe or don't believe. As for Asia and Africa, well racism is still rampant amongst the natives of both continents.

Oh, bro, by the way, Jews are good at selling stuff.

Nice to know you care so much about beating down racial stereotypes. And for the record, race is 'a population of humans distinguished from other populations'

I dont believe this world needs anymore a limited genepool then what it already has.
Racial Puritans are nuts.

As far a racist segregation...maybe in poebunk Iowa. Where 'Yu dun fyn un dem colards' it might be single race only relationships but here in civilization I am friends with all manner of peoples--the terms race is in and of itself flawed and I take every chance not to justify its use by using it myself.

I know West Africans, Caribbeaners, South Americans(of Both Latin and African Descent), All manner of Europeans(though mostly Eastern), good people from the Indian sub-continent, the Pacific Rim, Polynesia, Far East Asia and South East Asia, Central Asia,the Arabian Peninsula, and North Africa---Friends. How disgusting a thought of living in a homogenious community. Blah.

The mere fact I can walk into a room and discuss the Koran with one person the Bible with another, we all can order Thai from a Laotian, While evedropping on conversation being held by two Germans makes me a staunch supporter of Multiculturalism.
Give it a few decades, and you will be living in a homogeneous community, don't worry. When multiculturalism turns into uniculturalism, then perhaps you will understand.

Oh, and racial separation doesn't preclude the idea of tourists visiting a country, so you could still meet them and speak to them. I didn't say that there would be no foreigners at all, just that their numbers should be kept at bay to avoid cultural disintegration.

Give it a few years, and there will be no slavs/germanics etc. Europe is already integrating. Making distinctions between each subrace becoming increasingly futile. So no, I am in no way advocating nationalism. Do not try and make arbitrary conclusions about what I believe or don't believe. As for Asia and Africa, well racism is still rampant amongst the natives of both continents.

It will take more than a few years for 143 million Slavs to mix with 82 million Germanics 200 miles away. And my conclusion was not arbitrary. I'll run you through my logic once more:

1. Nationalism was once referred to as "race-patriotism" thus race-patriotism=nationalism

2. National Socialism (Nazi), a form of Nationalism, mixes nationalism with a strong government

3. You advocate forcibly keeping Europe, Canada, etc racially pure, a practice that is impossible without exceptionally strong governmental enforcement

4. Ergo, you are advocating National Socialism



End of story, thank you and good day.

It will take more than a few years for 143 million Slavs to mix with 82 million Germanics 200 miles away. And my conclusion was not arbitrary. I'll run you through my logic once more:

1. Nationalism was once referred to as "race-patriotism" thus race-patriotism=nationalism

2. National Socialism (Nazi), a form of Nationalism, mixes nationalism with a strong government

3. You advocate forcibly keeping Europe, Canada, etc racially pure, a practice that is impossible without exceptionally strong governmental enforcement

4. Ergo, you are advocating National Socialism

End of story, thank you and good day.
National Socialism advocates strong control over ALL aspects of society, not just borders. I only advocate strong government control in the area of borders. So no, not the same. It still is arbitrary.

Give it a few decades, and you will be living in a homogeneous community, don't worry. When multiculturalism turns into uniculturalism, then perhaps you will understand.

Oh, and racial separation doesn't preclude the idea of tourists visiting a country, so you could still meet them and speak to them. I didn't say that there would be no foreigners at all, just that their numbers should be kept at bay to avoid cultural disintegration.
Huh, go back to Stormfront.

It will take more than a few years for 143 million Slavs to mix with 82 million Germanics 200 miles away.

Germany and Poland are 200 miles away from each other?

Huh, go back to Stormfront.
Is that all you can say? It is a well known fact that one of globalisation's downsides is that it starts as multiculturalism, only to eventually turn into a form of uniculturalism, the dominant culture being that of the economically dominant countries, whichever these may be. Easier for corporations to market products to a single audience. Its basic economics.

It is so statistically improbable that we would mange to efficiently breed all traits into one single ethniciy a to be impossible---you may see the rise of new Traits from mixing but these will not be in all peoples--the very end you suppose is absurd---give it time and there will be 20 billion lighter shades of brown? Goose step on down the line with your half-assed nazi logic.

I experience reverse discrimination everyday at work and at school.

It is so statistically improbable that we would mange to efficiently breed all traits into one single ethniciy a to be impossible---you may see the rise of new Traits from mixing but these will not be in all peoples--the very end you suppose is absurd---give it time and there will be 20 billion lighter shades of brown? Goose step on down the line with your half-assed nazi logic.
Read a book on economics and multiculturalism, and see where the line ends for globalisation. Uniculturalism is every corporation's wet dream, so they will actively encourage it, at any cost.

Big Richard McCulloch fan arent you?

Read what on Economics? I am White, Gaelic, pure Irish. My wife is first generation Norwegian. So please enlighten me to the impending doom.

Offer some source material. I will be happy to cease my arguement to give your voice a fair shake--and actually investigate your material.

Big Richard McCulloch fan arent you?

Read what on Economics? I am White, Gaelic, pure Irish. My wife is first generation Norwegian. So please enlighten me to the impending doom.

Offer some source material. I will be happy to cease my arguement to give your voice a fair shake--and actually investigate your material.
Very well. Try this book. http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0195664469/ref=si_1_1/202-3974758-4062242

I experience reverse discrimination everyday at work and at school.

There is no such thing as reverse discrimination. There is only discrimination. Why do so many people like making up words? :rolleyes:

Germany and Poland are 200 miles away from each other?

Poland is about 1% Slavic. The 143 million Slavs I was referring to would be located in Russia and Eastern Ukraine. ;)

For the Koreans... well... we won't talk about them.

Why not?

Very well. Try this book. http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0195664469/ref=si_1_1/202-3974758-4062242
Deal--give me a month. Have a life to live too-and have to get it.I wont hurl insults at someone who wants me to check a reasonble source.

Deal--give me a month. Have a life to live too-and have to get it.I wont hurl insults at someone who wants me to check a reasonble source.
Please do realise I am not trying to engage in a war of ad hominem attacks against you. I am merely defending an argument, not trying to insult you in any way.

That said, the source is quite hefty...and is one of many books on globalisation which highlights the problem of uniculturalism. Even books in its defence often list uniculturalism as one of its more "acceptable" downsides. I beg to differ with them.

While I don't agree entirely with the sentiments, it is true that the UK's benefits system is incredibly easy to abuse, no matter what race you are.

I personally know plenty of British Citizens claiming unemployment benefits who "do a bit of work on the side", living in a house given to them by the government, with Satellite TV and manage to afford go on holiday/vacation every year. Its not right, and its my tax money paying for it, but thats the price you pay for a decent benefit system in the first place.

Of course the fact that huge proportions of (illegal and legal) immigrents tend to travel through Germany, France or Spain, just to get here, must mean something. I'm pretty certain the free healthcare, housing, education and allowances has something to do with it. :p Its not like they are just crossing a border (i.e. Mexico to USA). Sometimes its most of Europe!

Still, claiming its the 'Islams' (at least use a real word!) fault is just stupid, vocabulary aside.


Like i said i apologise for my grammar but i was quite tired at the time.

I'm also sure that the rule for immigrating somewhere is to go to the first safe country though so how many safe countries are there after say ... Africa or Pakistan or Iraq alot of safe countries yet we still let them in even though they arn't doing the thing properly.

There is no such thing as reverse discrimination. There is only discrimination. Why do so many people like making up words? :rolleyes:

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=reverse%20discrimination

mmm made up words...

2 entries found for reverse discrimination.
reverse discrimination
n.
Discrimination against members of a dominant or majority group, especially when resulting from policies established to correct discrimination against members of a minority or disadvantaged group.

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Main Entry: reverse discrimination
Function: noun
: discrimination against whites or males (as in employment or education)


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