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Okay, due to my INSANELY popular "best Mustang" poll, I have started a new one, the best of the special models. Boss, Shelby, SVO, Cobra, etc.

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That one.

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That one.
How the f*** is it possible for someone to reply before I even finish typing the 1st sentance?

I have powers.

2007 GT500
http://www.stangnet.com/2005-Mustang/Ford-Shelby-Cobra-GT500-by-SVT.html

The newer, the better. Ultimately American cars will have to become financially viable in other countries as well, and the more European testing they get, the better for them.

That being said, I'm not a fan of the Mustang, for the same money I'd prefer a 350Z, which is pretty similar in character, but handles better (according to Evo-Magazine at least).

2007 GT500
http://www.stangnet.com/2005-Mustang/Ford-Shelby-Cobra-GT500-by-SVT.html

The newer, the better. Ultimately American cars will have to become financially in other countries as well, and the more European testing they get, the better for them.

That being said, I'm not a fan of the Mustang, for the same money I'd prefer a 350Z, which is pretty similar in character, but handles better (according to Evo-Magazine at least).
But is slower, has less interior space, costs more, and has poorer visibility. Both get similar gas mileage and have similar braking abilities.

Edmunds.com test the 05 Mustang GT against the RX-8 and 350Z and the Mustang placed 1st, with the Z coming in last.

Also, try reading Road & Track or Car & Driver; rest assured they favor the Mustang, mostly for my previously-typed reasons.

PS: I have been in a Z before, I know about their history.

But is slower
We had that discussion before...handling is more important to speed than engine power.

has less interior space
Who in f*ck's name cares? If I want space, I buy a van.

costs more
No idea about the states, but I suspect that it would be cheaper in Oz. Even very good cars from Japan have to be sold at very low prices in the States, probably because of the image of Japanese cars.

and has poorer visibility.
Counter that with cooler design and IMHO better looks.

have similar braking abilities.
Actually, I heard things about the 2005 Mustang's brakes. And if you buy the "Track" version of the 350Z, it comes with big Brembos, so it won't be cut short.
Remember that statistics can't say anything about brakes, it's as much about responsiveness and feel as it is about power.

Edmunds.com test the 05 Mustang GT against the RX-8 and 350Z and the Mustang placed 1st, with the Z coming in last.
I read the test (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=104196) on the web just them, and they simply have different priorities to mine...
[The Mustang]'s our winner, outclassing the others with its future retro style, value, comfort and all-out brute horsepower.
For some, however, the Nissan Z is too hard-core for the daily grind, with a harsh highway ride and an interior that lacks finesse. In the end, its high as-tested price and its questionable comfort dropped it to third place.
I want hard-core. I want to be challenged. And I couldn't give a shit about comfort. If you'd see the seats I put into my car, you'd understand.

We had that discussion before...handling is more important to speed than engine power.


Who in f*ck's name cares? If I want space, I buy a van.


No idea about the states, but I suspect that it would be cheaper in Oz. Even very good cars from Japan have to be sold at very low prices in the States, probably because of the image of Japanese cars.


Counter that with cooler design and IMHO better looks.


Actually, I heard things about the 2005 Mustang's brakes. And if you buy the "Track" version of the 350Z, it comes with big Brembos, so it won't be cut short.
Remember that statistics can't say anything about brakes, it's as much about responsiveness and feel as it is about power.

I like the Mustang better. The Mustang has history, it has a background. The Z was based off a economy sedan and had a warmed-over 6-cyl. The Mustang was based off a compact coupe and could be had with 375hp hemi-headed racing engines. Which sounds cooler? A street-legal racer, or a dressed-up, minorly-tuned family car.

Also, I;ve never heard anything about bad about the new Mustang's brakes. BTW, for the price of the track package Z, I could add 14" drilled-and-vented brakes, a Vortech supercharger, and still have enougn left for the suspension, maybe a strut-tower brace, springs, dampers, and a set of sway bars. I could be doin' low 12's at the drag and pull .95-97g on a skidpad.

Space is important if you intend on driving the car on long trips, driving with passengers, going shopping, or going on vacation.

Also, you tend to exhibit the importfanitis syndrome, or a biased-attraction to Asian or European cars simply because of the fact that they aren't American. This is a common affliction, and is best cured by accepting social differences and learning to love & accept cars designed in places other than Tokyo or Stuttgart or whereever. When you break racial and social boundaries, you break the vicious cycle of hate-mongering and needless... blah-blah-blah...

I'm rambling, aren't I?

What I'm trying to say is, I am an enlightened individual. I can like and accept cars from many countries. I love the Charger and GTO and Mustang, but I also love the Miata and Z and Boxster and Gallardo. You, however, have a problem.You are a biased, hate-mongering, bigot!

I also have a problem. I like to exagerate and over-dramatise things. At least I can admit my problems; can you?

The Z was based off a economy sedan...
It was? Which one do you mean?
Surely it'd be an issue to turn a Sedan into a little coupé like the Z.

Space is important if you intend on driving the car on long trips, driving with passengers, going shopping, or going on vacation.
As I said, that's an issue of priorities. I don't mind the new Mustang (I'm not a fan of old cars no matter where they're from, before 1990 is not for me), but personally I wouldn't buy one.
A WRX by the way can also carry a lot of stuff, as can the Evo IX. And I suspect both would be doing better times on most tracks. They're pretty trick pieces of kit (in fact, on a track used by a local TV programme (http://www.drive.com.au/DriveTV/Hotlap.aspx), the WRX did a better time than the new BMW M5).

And finally, if you want affordable performance from big engines, Australia is the place to be anyways.
Example:
http://autospeed.drive.com.au/cms/A_1805/article.html?popularArticle

I read the test (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=104196) on the web just them, and they simply have different priorities to mine...


I want hard-core. I want to be challenged. And I couldn't give a shit about comfort. If you'd see the seats I put into my car, you'd understand.
What do you drive? A Nissan Sentra? I drive... a. Well, I don't have a drivers license, but I'm gettin' an 06 Mustang GT coupe, get it stripped-down (other than leather), get a cold-air intake, Predator tuner, JBA headers & exhaust, a BBK throttle body, MSD ingition, and some mags. Then, get some Baer brakes, a strut-tower brace, lowering springs, dampers, sway bars, and some wheel spacers. Also, speaking of wheels, some BFG drag radials. And a short-throw shifter, lightened flywheel, 4.10 gear, and stuff the battery in the trunk. 11-sec timeslips? Hihgly likely. Also, finally, pull out some of the sound-deading material and the back seat. Maybe even take out the audio system. Sure, I'll have to work my ass off to pay for it, put I think it'll pay of in the long run. Also, as a final note, really this time, a 4-point roll bar, harness, and a fire extinuisher.

My race-ready 06 Mustang. Yep, just gotta wait...

At least I can admit my problems; can you?
Remember my thread about the Z06 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=457088&highlight=American)?

If a car comes from the US which does well in the criteria I have, then I will like it.
The problem is that, for whatever reason, the criteria usually considered by US designers are a little different to mine.

As I said, I think the new Mustang is the best yet (probably), it's cheap and it's got performance. I'd give it a curtesy drive if I was in the market, simply because I don't want to outright dismiss anything.
But I'd favour one of the various competitors, simply because they are more focussed, more "hard-core" cars. Which is why I'm not a fan of AMG or Alpina either.

What do you drive? A Nissan Sentra?
1st generation WRX. It costs me all the money I earn, and petrol is expensive, so I don't have any modifications other than the bigger exhaust it had when I got it, and the above-mentioned race style seats.

if you want affordable performance from big engines, Australia is the place to be anyways.

true that, why do us ozs need to import muscle when we have hsv's and fpvs that are affordable. BTW, why aren't 'special' Mustangs like Roush, Saleen and Steeda listed, surely they're favoured by many enthusiasts like me over those others listed

You left out Eleanor.

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P 51-D (http://www.airmuseumsuk.org/airshow/2004/Rougham2004/1024/images/021%20North%20American%20P-51D%20Mustang%20472218%20G-HAEC.jpg)

lol, i guess that count also

Okay, due to my INSANELY popular "best Mustang" poll, I have started a new one, the best of the special models. Boss, Shelby, SVO, Cobra, etc.
Two pages and 21 voters is 'insanely' popular? Everyone sets their own bar...

I drive... a. Well, I don't have a drivers license,
Wait wait wait wait. You don't even drive? And you're going to chide other people on thier car preferences? You don't even know what you're going to like yet, you only think you know what you'd like. You have some experience to gain, young grasshopper, before you go chastising other's on what cars they like.

No wonder you think listing car stats says something about the car.

This (http://media.putfile.com/bullitt) is still the best.

lol, i guess that count also
Guess!!!
It is an Absolute Babe!

Steeda and Roush, etc. Mustangs are not built inhouse, like the SVT Cobra, Mach 1, GT500, etc. so they don't count.

Also, Eleanor was a Mach 1 in the original movie, and a GT500 in the remake. So pick which ever one you like best.

I want hard-core. I want to be challenged. And I couldn't give a shit about comfort. If you'd see the seats I put into my car, you'd understand.
Than go with the Lotus Exige. Much more hardcore than that pansy 350Z.

Than go with the Lotus Exige. Much more hardcore than that pansy 350Z.
Ah yes, the Lotus Exige. I want one. Certainly not a daily driver. The 240R model, got only 243hp from a supercharged 4-cyl Toyota, but does 0-60 in 3.9 seconds. Performance through light weight.

Ah yes, the Lotus Exige. I want one. Certainly not a daily driver. The 240R model, got only 243hp from a supercharged 4-cyl Toyota, but does 0-60 in 3.9 seconds. Performance through light weight.
If you're obsessed with horsepower (and you clearly are) you could go for the 400hp Sport Exige (http://www.seriouswheels.com/top-2005-Lotus-Sport-Exige.htm).

But we keep trying to tell you, the hp rating and 0-60 numbers are only tell a small fraction of the tale about a car. You'll learn that once you can actually drive...

Than go with the Lotus Exige. Much more hardcore than that pansy 350Z.
I would. If I could. :(

Although, they are more than a hundred grand in Oz, and for the same money there are interesting alternatives along the line of used Porsches and the like.