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So my friend was telling me this, she goes to a public school in suburban New York. Her teacher actually called her the Anti-Christ and sent her to her guidance counselor 'cause she "makes people uncomfortable" which means she wears a lot of black (but not to a goth extent). Honestly, this kind of person should not be allowed to teach, IMO. Thoughts? Poll to come.

So my friend was telling me this, she goes to a public school in suburban New York. Her teacher actually called her the Anti-Christ and sent her to her guidance counselor 'cause she "makes people uncomfortable" which means she wears a lot of black (but not to a goth extent). Honestly, this kind of person should not be allowed to teach, IMO. Thoughts? Poll to come.
No, IMHO. :)

Come on, the crazy teachers are always the best ones.

Of course, any teacher who insults a student will be suspended, but a teacher who's that tightly wound must be comedy gold in the classroom.

Need more context for a decision, but in general, I'd say no as well.

Tell her teacher that her statement may be tautologically unsound, since the anti-christ, if it is real, will rule the world for a period of time, and the ruler of the Earth doesn't submit to anything less than a District Superintendent.

Come on, the crazy teachers are always the best ones.

Of course, any teacher who insults a student will be suspended, but a teacher who's that tightly wound must be comedy gold in the classroom.

Meh, my history teacher is nuts. Brilliant, one of the most brilliant people I've ever met, but nuts...his memory isn't too good either, but he's awesome.

Of course, we're only hearing your friends version of the story as told by you. That = at least two filters.

There's no way we can get the full story, and understand whether or not the comment is a result of purely the way your friend dresses, as you claim.

Of course, we're only hearing your friends version of the story as told by you. That = at least two filters.

There's no way we can get the full story, and understand whether or not the comment is a result of purely the way your friend dresses, as you claim.

That there's a good point.

I had crazy teachers, one in particular asked on the first day of school

"who believes in God?"

about 1/3 of us raised our hands

"if you are a Christian stand up"

3 of us stood up

"you are all stupid fundamentalist idiots and will all recieve and F"

1 sat down, 1 started crying, I really didn't care

His attitude went on for weeks and weeks, getting worse and worse everyday. I started taking a small tape recorder to class. He found it one day and took it away (which was well within his rights since it was against the rules to have one anyway)

I decided that if he wasn't going to talk about Math then I wasn't going to pay attention, so one day when he was throwing one of his little fits (this time about the goth kids) he caught me reading "Rolling Stone" and sent me to the office, where I told them what had been going on, they said they couldn't do anything about it because he had tenure.


anyway that was freshman year, and my junior year he pissed off a football player so bad that the guy hit him, and when the teacher hit back, he violated his contract (harmed a student) and got fired :D

anyway, I think I am a stronger person because I had to put up with his crap for 3 years, I don't think everyone is cut out for teaching, but if you can't deal with people who don't like you (even if it is for a screwed up reason) then you aren't going to make it far in life.

Tell your friend to either fight for what's right (report him, and throw a big fit if nothing gets done) or grow up and deal with it.

So my friend was telling me this, she goes to a public school in suburban New York. Her teacher actually called her the Anti-Christ and sent her to her guidance counselor 'cause she "makes people uncomfortable" which means she wears a lot of black (but not to a goth extent). Honestly, this kind of person should not be allowed to teach, IMO. Thoughts? Poll to come.

Only if she's correct.

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Wow. That so beats any drunken Irish teacher story I was going to tell.

Wow. That so beats any drunken Irish teacher story I was going to tell.
In retrospect he did really pick on all groups equally (I think he only threatened Christians with an automatic F though) I think maybe he was just screwing with us to see who would break ;)

I remember one day when the drug dogs came through, they asked 3 of us to come out in the hall, they asked to hand search my bag and I told them no. The other 2 let them search. We found out later that day that he had set it up to see what we would do. (I was glad I didn't let them search my bag though because there really were drugs in there, if that dog had gotten any closer they would have had probable cause:eek: )

In retrospect he did really pick on all groups equally (I think he only threatened Christians with an automatic F though) I think maybe he was just screwing with us to see who would break ;)

I remember one day when the drug dogs came through, they asked 3 of us to come out in the hall, they asked to hand search my bag and I told them no. The other 2 let them search. We found out later that day that he had set it up to see what we would do. (I was glad I didn't let them search my bag though because there really were drugs in there, if that dog had gotten any closer they would have had probable cause:eek: )

Dude! I had fried mushrooms (no, not psychoactive ones :rolleyes: ) in my lunch bag one time and we had a drug search. When I got back some bastard had eaten my fried mushrooms....That bastard shall pay!

So my friend was telling me this, she goes to a public school in suburban New York. Her teacher actually called her the Anti-Christ and sent her to her guidance counselor 'cause she "makes people uncomfortable" which means she wears a lot of black (but not to a goth extent). Honestly, this kind of person should not be allowed to teach, IMO. Thoughts? Poll to come.

Ok, let me get this straight.

The teacher didnt use foul language.
Didnt use physical violence.
Didnt use the threat of physical violence.

The teacher is simply used a common phrase for the worst of the worst which is connected to the Christian Mythos and he needs to be robbed of his career because some snotting twit of child is offended.

I say your little brat in black needs to stomped stupid in an alley by a pack goose stepping Neo-facist skinheads. SO she can see what being put off good and proper really is.

Ok, let me get this straight.

The teacher didnt use foul language.
Didnt use physical violence.
Didnt use the threat of physical violence.

The teacher is simply used a common phrase for the worst of the worst which is connected to the Christian Mythos and they need to be robbed of their career because some snotting twit of child is offended.

i say your little brat in black needs to stomped stupid in alley by a pack goose stepping Neo-facist skinheads. SO she can see what being put off good and proper really is.
He is still poisonning the enviroment for the student, reducing his/her ablility to learn.

Yeah, insane teachers rule.

That must be hell on the self esteem... getting called the anti-christ and all.


I once had a math teacher threaten to make me go to her christian reading group. I would have raised all sorts of hell if she tried to carry through with that threat.

This was the same teacher who, after the no-hat rule was started kept telling a muslim student to take off his hat... it was one of those caps some muslims wear for religious reasons... It was funny 'cause she was so fucking retarded.

Sure!

Yes.

I wish one of my teachers had called me the antichrist.

My pastor did once, back in my church-going days.

I had a really messed up science teacher once. This isn't as bad as some of the other stories we've heard around here, though. One day in school we were sitting and he'd told us to read a certain page out of our books. I was quietly reading and there was a mildly funny thing in the text. I smiled.

SMILED. Silent, reading what we were told to read, smiling at something in the text.

He yelled at me, said no one's allowed to smile or be happy in his class, and sent me to stand out in the hall for the rest of the hour.

I dunno, maybe he was having a bad day or something, and he never really did like me very much, but that was kinda extreme from my point of view.

That must be hell on the self esteem... getting called the anti-christ and all.


I once had a math teacher threaten to make me go to her christian reading group. I would have raised all sorts of hell if she tried to carry through with that threat.

This was the same teacher who, after the no-hat rule was started kept telling a muslim student to take off his hat... it was one of those caps some muslims wear for religious reasons... It was funny 'cause she was so fucking retarded.
Those Caps--are not required by the faith so the student had no justification to wear it--it isnt like a yamaka on an orthodox jew. Only a fucking retard would think different.

So my friend was telling me this, she goes to a public school in suburban New York. Her teacher actually called her the Anti-Christ and sent her to her guidance counselor 'cause she "makes people uncomfortable" which means she wears a lot of black (but not to a goth extent). Honestly, this kind of person should not be allowed to teach, IMO. Thoughts? Poll to come.
I had a teacher like this in middle school..
he would say this to a lot of my friends and go off on tangents about the KKK in the middle of teaching. We told the Dean he was influincing our friends religious beliefs and they Riff'd him.

I had a really messed up science teacher once. This isn't as bad as some of the other stories we've heard around here, though. One day in school we were sitting and he'd told us to read a certain page out of our books. I was quietly reading and there was a mildly funny thing in the text. I smiled.

SMILED. Silent, reading what we were told to read, smiling at something in the text.

He yelled at me, said no one's allowed to smile or be happy in his class, and sent me to stand out in the hall for the rest of the hour.

I dunno, maybe he was having a bad day or something, and he never really did like me very much, but that was kinda extreme from my point of view.
That is demented.

I had a really messed up science teacher once. This isn't as bad as some of the other stories we've heard around here, though. One day in school we were sitting and he'd told us to read a certain page out of our books. I was quietly reading and there was a mildly funny thing in the text. I smiled.

SMILED. Silent, reading what we were told to read, smiling at something in the text.

He yelled at me, said no one's allowed to smile or be happy in his class, and sent me to stand out in the hall for the rest of the hour.

I dunno, maybe he was having a bad day or something, and he never really did like me very much, but that was kinda extreme from my point of view.

Ew! Science teachers are the worst! I had one come in in Knee high boots, fishnets and a low cut shirt when it was snowing outside.. she was nice to me but was very rude to my friends, so I secretly hated her, So I went up and asked her why she was wearing that and she told me it was the only thing left in her closet, I looked at her like she was crazy and called her a ho in my project, she got me suspended. but than my mom called school and told them I diddint know what a ho was and that my sister told me to put it on there. made me laugh.. made her look bad.

Ew! Science teachers are the worst! I had one come in in Knee high boots, fishnets and a low cut shirt when it was snowing outside.. she was nice to me but was very rude to my friends, so I secretly hated her, So I went up and asked her why she was wearing that and she told me it was the only thing left in her closet, I looked at her like she was crazy and called her a ho in my project, she got me suspended. but than my mom called school and told them I diddint know what a ho was and that my sister told me to put it on there. made me laugh.. made her look bad.

I know my whores, and that sounds like whorish material.

I went to a christian school as it was the best one in my area, and the head teacher disliked me because I was atheist. Used to pick on me and label me as a hyperactive and unstable kid and assign other kids to "calm me down". Looking back I was no worse than the majority of the class, she just had something against me.

Anyway, she got breast cancer and died I think. I'm not saying she deserved it, but if someone had to get breast cancer then i'm glad it was her xD

Those Caps--are not required by the faith so the student had no justification to wear it--it isnt like a yamaka on an orthodox jew. Only a fucking retard would think different.
How the fuck have you lasted two years without getting DEATed?

I went to a christian school as it was the best one in my area, and the head teacher disliked me because I was atheist. Used to pick on me and label me as a hyperactive and unstable kid and assign other kids to "calm me down". Looking back I was no worse than the majority of the class, she just had something against me.

Anyway, she got breast cancer and died I think. I'm not saying she deserved it, but if someone had to get breast cancer then i'm glad it was her xD

That is perhaps one of the sickest things I have ever heard on this forum.

I hope you get breast cancer for that!

I know my whores, and that sounds like whorish material.

I tried imagining this as a line of dialogue coming from various characters on Futurama, Family Guy, King of the Hill, and all of the actual prostitutes that I know, and it was pretty funny in every instance.

I tried imagining this as a line of dialogue coming from various characters on Futurama, Family Guy, King of the Hill, and all of the actual prostitutes that I know, and it was pretty funny in every instance.

*bows*

Thank you, thank you, I'll be here all week!

Those Caps--are not required by the faith so the student had no justification to wear it--it isnt like a yamaka on an orthodox jew. Only a fucking retard would think different.

If someone presents evidence of a sect of Islam that requires headware of some kind, will you withdraw your statement? If you don't care about really being right or wrong, I'll drop it, but you could be wrong here.

If someone presents evidence of a sect of Islam that requires headware of some kind, will you withdraw your statement? If you don't care about really being right or wrong, I'll drop it, but you could be wrong here.

I think he was being sarcastic...

If someone presents evidence of a sect of Islam that requires headware of some kind, will you withdraw your statement? If you don't care about really being right or wrong, I'll drop it, but you could be wrong here.
A Kufi is not required by Islam.

Those are the caps she is speaking of, they are not required.

As a matter of fact, the Head scarfs on females are not Islamic(as in Religious) but indeed cultural--the West has simply come to accept them as being Religious, and so have many Muslims who dont completely understand how much the history of the religion is inter twined with Arab culture.

But please quote me a passage that I might check my Koran.


and yes I was as well being sarcasitc because the poster I was quoting obviously had no idea what she talking about--she simply desired to make someone in authority appear unintelligent.

A Kufi is not required by Islam.

Those are the caps she is speaking of, they are not required.

As a matter of fact, the Head scarfs on females are not Islamic(as in Religious) but indeed cultural--the West has simply come to accept them as being Religious, and so have many Muslims who dont completely understand how much the history of the religion is inter twined with Arab culture.

But please quote me a passage that I might check my Koran.

For our purposes here, is the Koran the sole source of Islamic Law? I have no idea if their clergy make binding commentary as in some religions.

Also, are you sure those are the caps she was speaking of?

I think he was being sarcastic...

I'm not sure, he may have been serious. Other than the abusive part, the rest of his post hasn't been established as incorrect.

Sorry, follow up, on the Islamic headware thing.

My Turkish friend Yusuf, (who identifies himself as Muslim, but I have no idea if he's devout or knowledgable) claims that Islam includes the Jewish Scripture and some scripture related to the New Testament in its body of scripture. Is that true?

Sorry, follow up, on the Islamic headware thing.

My Turkish friend Yusuf, (who identifies himself as Muslim, but I have no idea if he's devout or knowledgable) claims that Islam includes the Jewish Scripture and some scripture related to the New Testament in its body of scripture. Is that true?
Yep. It is.

For our purposes here, is the Koran the sole source of Islamic Law? I have no idea if their clergy make binding commentary as in some religions.

Also, are you sure those are the caps she was speaking of?
First, yes I am sure because the Kufi looks like the cap she described as being like the "Jewish Cap"--which is called a yamaka.

Second depending on he sect of Islam yes the Koran is indeed the source.

IN truth it is the source.

However a fatwah can be isued but that only holds as much weight as the cleric has followers---and with that increase in followers more clerics may support his fatwah.

However the writting of the Prophet Momammed(PBUH) as he received his revelation from God are the rules by which a Muslim mas live---the Kufi is not required. Neither is any other head garment--The taureg wrap is purely cultural with no earnest roots in Islam.

And so forth and so on---and the constitution does not protect tradition--it protects religion---so no I will not back down, because I am not wrong.

My Turkish friend Yusuf, (who identifies himself as Muslim, but I have no idea if he's devout or knowledgable) claims that Islam includes the Jewish Scripture and some scripture related to the New Testament in its body of scripture. Is that true?

Islam recognises both the old and new testament as holy documents, and Jesus as a prophet (but not the son of God). However, muslems do believe Torah and bible have been perverted.

Sorry, follow up, on the Islamic headware thing.

My Turkish friend Yusuf, (who identifies himself as Muslim, but I have no idea if he's devout or knowledgable) claims that Islam includes the Jewish Scripture and some scripture related to the New Testament in its body of scripture. Is that true?

Abaraham
Moses
Jesus
Mohammed(PBUH)

These are all Prophets in the Muslim faith----The Old Testament /Torah is for Jews/Christians/ and Muslims/

The New Testament the story of Jesus is again the story of the life of a prophet who died for Allah. Muslims disagree on the resurrection and messiah issue.

Islam recognises both the old and new testament as holy documents, and Jesus as a prophet (but not the son of God). However, muslems do believe Torah and bible have been perverted.
Not so much perverted as incomplete--

Christians veiw the Torah as incomplete without the New Testament--
Muslims veiw it all as incomplete without the Koran--the FINAL revelation of God.

First, yes I am sure because the Kufi looks like the cap she described as being like the "Jewish Cap"--which is called a yamaka.

Second depending on he sect of Islam yes the Koran is indeed the source.

IN truth it is the source.

However a fatwah can be isued but that only holds as much weight as the cleric has followers---and with that increase in followers more clerics may support his fatwah.

However the writting of the Prophet Momammed(PBUH) as he received his revelation from God are the rules by which a Muslim mas live---the Kufi is not required. Neither is any other head garment--The taureg wrap is purely cultural with no earnest roots in Islam.

And so forth and so on---and the constitution does not protect tradition--it protects religion---so no I will not back down, because I am not wrong.

I did not at any point ask you to back down, and I find your responses reasonable, I'm just trying to be clear on my own part.

Is there a sect of Islam (which you may feel, correctly or incorrectly, is less true to Islamic law than your own group) which does mandate any kind of headwear?

(Again, I make no claim about how theologically sound such a requirement may be, I just ask if there are people who identify themselves as Muslims who believe the headwear is required)

Saint Curie, the inclusion of the TOrah does not mean that the Muslim adopts all the practices of the Jew---Like the Yamaka which is where I imagine you were headed.

If someone presents evidence of a sect of Islam that requires headware of some kind, will you withdraw your statement? If you don't care about really being right or wrong, I'll drop it, but you could be wrong here.
I apologize if I offended you with the term 'back down'---

That is what I took the above to mean.

I apologize if I offended you with the term 'back down'---

That is what I took the above to mean.

No, my bad, I should've said "would you withdraw your statement"...

I'm sorry, that was my fault. There are people on this board, and I know I can be one of them sometimes, that defend their position habitually as if they're defending their baby from dingoes. I just wanted to know if you really wanted to talk about it or not, but I phrased it badly.

I did not at any point ask you to back down, and I find your responses reasonable, I'm just trying to be clear on my own part.

Is there a sect of Islam (which you may feel, correctly or incorrectly, is less true to Islamic law than your own group) which does mandate any kind of headwear?

(Again, I make no claim about how theologically sound such a requirement may be, I just ask if there are people who identify themselves as Muslims who believe the headwear is required)
I appreciate the complement--I am not a Muslim.

I study Islam as I live in the single largest Arab Muslim community in North Amerca and second largest in the word.

I find it a good reason to understand the sentiments of a faith and a culture--especially one we appear to be at war with.

NO--there are none, anywhere that I have come across that can trace the requirement for en to wear head pieces to the Islamic Faith.

Siks are often confused with MUslims--they are required to wear a head piece but they are not Muslims--at all. They have borrowed from Sufi Islam and from Hindu--Sikism is not Islam.

NO--there are none, anywhere that I have come across that can trace the requirement for en to wear head pieces to the Islamic Faith.

But do any of them present the requirement as being religious, even fallaciously? That is to say, do they tell their children, "Here, Allah wants you to wear this."

My concern is, if a cultural belief is annexed by a religion, and the followers believe to be a tenet of that religion, is it protected?

If not, can the Catholics be prevented from saying a Mass in Latin, since requiring Latin Mass may not have factual basis in the teaching of Jesus?

(I have no idea what the legislative intent of such a law would be, maybe some State Law requiring the speaking of English, or something, I'm sure it would be ridiculous, but for our purposes here, imagine such a law)

I think we should give the teacher the benefit of the doubt. Maybe that student was the Anti-Christ.

I think we should give the teacher the benefit of the doubt. Maybe that student was the Anti-Christ.

When she rises to power (the anti-christ student, not the teacher), and brings the kings of the earth to bow at her feet, she'll say:

"Okay, where's that slack-twatted teacher? I want to test a new machine..."

Maybe teacher said "anti-Chris", the one who will come to oppose the followers of anybody named Chris.

But do any of them present the requirement as being religious, even fallaciously? That is to say, do they tell their children, "Here, Allah wants you to wear this."

My concern is, if a cultural belief is annexed by a religion, and the followers believe to be a tenet of that religion, is it protected?

If not, can the Catholics be prevented from saying a Mass in Latin, since requiring Latin Mass may not have factual basis in the teaching of Jesus?

(I have no idea what the legislative intent of such a law would be, maybe some State Law requiring the speaking of English, or something, I'm sure it would be ridiculous, but for our purposes here, imagine such a law)

First you wouldnt say a mass in public school--second it would be said in church--and as long as the mass wasn't telling you who to vote for it could be said.

Now, your example is given fallaciously, Christian tell their children "God wants you to eat your vegatables" that doesnt make it part of Doctrine--and it is Doctrine that is protected--not Habit.

So if you have a adopted a habit--and you dont have Doctrinal basis--no you have no protection except what the constitution affords--and in a public school for a minor that is very little.

Some more strict Muslims require headgear for men---at the time of prayer, most dont, and none do beyond that. And if I am not mistaken not for children--only full grown men.

The Koran actually only calls for "modest dress" it is up to the people to interpret--you end up with either Egypt or Saudi Arabia(two extremes).

Again, no. No Sect requires a male to wear a head dress in public.

Maybe teacher said "anti-Chris", the one who will come to oppose the followers of anybody named Chris.

Possible. Or perhaps it was "Panty-Christ". Which, while seemingly nonsense, is still mildly erotic.

First you wouldnt say a mass in public school--second it would be said in church--and as long as the mass wasn't telling you who to vote for it could be said.

Now, your example is given fallaciously, Christian tell their children "God wants you to eat your vegatables" that doesnt make it part of Doctrine--and it is Doctrine that is protected--not Habit.

So if you have a adopted a habit--and you dont have Doctrinal basis--no you have no protection except what the constitution affords--and in a public school for a minor that is very little.

Some more strict Muslims require headgear for men---at the time of prayer, most dont, and none do beyond that. And if I am not mistaken not for children--only full grown men.

The Koran actually only calls for "modest dress" it is up to the people to interpret--you end up with either Egypt or Saudi Arabia(two extremes).

Again, no. No Sect requires a male to wear a head dress in public.

Right, I understand they don't break out in Mass in school, I was just trying to come up with an example of a tradition entering the dogma of a religion.

Also, I should amend myself about the "God wants you to wear this". If the parents believe its part of the practice, sincerely, is it protected?

If a Muslim Cleric interprets modest dress as including a head covering, is it protected? (I know you addressed the actual situation, but if a group of Clerics wanted to somehow turn "modest dress" into "wear this hat", and the people bought it and believed it, is it protected by virtue of the people's belief? This is hypothetical)

I find it interesting. The actual scripture of many religions is disputed, and living leaders sometimes serve as the filter, and I wonder if that filter is binding for the purposes of the constitution.

I read somewhere that some groups of Islam say that Arabic is the only language in which the Koran is true to its source document in Heaven. Is that true?

Possible. Or perhaps it was "Panty-Christ". Which, while seemingly nonsense, is still mildly erotic.

The Panty-Christ shall come, in the final days, and be crotchless before the 7 seams of the girth, her shield shall be soiled, yea-verily, even her panty-shield..

Right, I understand they don't break out in Mass in school, I was just trying to come up with an example of a tradition entering the dogma of a religion.

Also, I should amend myself about the "God wants you to wear this". If the parents believe its part of the practice, sincerely, is it protected?

If a Muslim Cleric interprets modest dress as including a head covering, is it protected? (I know you addressed the actual situation, but if a group of Clerics wanted to somehow turn "modest dress" into "wear this hat", and the people bought it and believed it, is it protected by virtue of the people's belief? This is hypoethetical)

I find it interesting. The actual scripture of many religions is disputed, and living leaders sometimes serve as the filter, and I wonder if that filter is binding for the purposes of the constitution.

I read somewhere that some groups of Islam say that Arabic is the only language in which the Koran is true to its source document in Heaven. Is that true?

Working backwards

The Koran is poetry in prose--Arabic poetry, so you dont really get the full effect in translation--Luckily I have half a million muslim neighbors to help me with interpretation.
But yes, if I were to become a Muslim I must Learn Arabic to read the Koran in its original prose....but consider that versus how the bible is treated--consider every day Muslims all over the wordl read the EXACT same book.

The Court/Religion questions
Well UNcle sam has nifty way around this---for instance if you are Catholic--the Vatican decides what changes occur in the Faith...NOT YOU and if you do choose to change something---it isnt protected until the Vatican sees things your way---or you become a reformer.

IN American just as in Europe there is a National Islamic council and they would advise the US Government whether or not the Fatwah of a given Cleric or group of Clerics should be considered doctrine--they would not take that lightly as it would greatly effect the world.


Finally....no what mom and dad believe do not a religion make.
Nice to know no matter what you still need an institution backing you up isnt it?

Saint Curie, I apologize but I must crawl into bed with my wife--you made me miss my bedtime--5am here.
If you happen to come across an exception to my rule--please send me PM so that I know the name of the sect.
And good night/morning.

The Court/Religion questions
Well UNcle sam has nifty way around this---for instance if you are Catholic--the Vatican decides what changes occur in the Faith...NOT YOU and if you do choose to change something---it isnt protected until the Vatican sees things your way---or you become a reformer.

IN American just as in Europe there is a National Islamic council and they would advise the US Government whether or not the Fatwah of a given Cleric or group of Clerics should be considered doctrine--they would not take that lightly as it would greatly effect the world.


Finally....no what mom and dad believe do not a religion make.
Nice to know no matter what you still need an institution backing you up isnt it?

How many reformers (or people who want to overturn a doctrine and form their own religion to do it) qualifes as an institution? (Like if a bunch of Mormons want to still have polygamy, and the current Prophet of the main mormon church says the practice must stop, can they secede and be considered a new institution?)

If there are 1,000 moms and 1,000 dads who truly believes God wants you to eat your vegetables, are they an instituion? Is it case-by-case, with time served adding weight?

The National Council thing is interesting. Are the members elected by all Muslims, or just appointed by a referendum of clergy, and ratified by the adherents? Do they file an amicus brief or something when this comes up with court, the hat thing?

Saint Curie, I apologize but I must crawl into bed with my wife--you made me miss my bedtime--5am here.
If you happen to come across an exception to my rule--please send me PM so that I know the name of the sect.
And good night/morning.

Cool, no sweat. Get good sleep. The problem is, if I find Muslims now who feel the headwear is religiously mandated, I don't know to believe them or not...

Cool, no sweat. Get good sleep. The problem is, if I find Muslims now who feel the headwear is religiously mandated, I don't know to believe them or not...
Discuss it---you will find Muslims will always engage in honest open minded discussions about Islam.

Ask why? What do you think I did the first time.

How do you think I got an english copy of the Koran---tommorow I will PM you with an address-- I believe they will send you a Koran for free, if you really want one--Mine was given to me--because the Gentleman appreciate my curiosity. If you find Muslims who claim the Headgear is mandated for Men in public enquire--I promise if you are polite they wont be offended.

I think we should give the teacher the benefit of the doubt. Maybe that student was the Anti-Christ.
Well, some days I am convinced that some of my students are as well. But then I teach junior high so there's a fairly good chance of that. ;)

Nope. Kick the retard. Thre's already far too much of these retards (especially in the US).

If its not a concervertive screwed up Catholic Nun fucking me up it's a LameASS Liberal teacher being a fucking jackass, teachers are hit and miss, but I always seem to find the fucked up ones and this is one Fucked Up Teacher and i've had plenty of them, Check this moment of my life out:

High School Art Teacher-Mrs. B: "I'm sick of You and sick of you desigining Spaceships!" actual quote from my art teacher in 9th grade.


Many Years later I worked for a Japanese animation company which utilized, drumroll please,...spaceships!:p


Teachers need to take an active intrest (and be PAID REALLY REALLY WELL) into the students life and not bang up a kid that is having trouble adjusting to this shit hole called life.:headbang:

I have so many others to tell but way too depressing, like my Drunk Animation teacher telling the whole graduating class from my art school, parents and facultyand all that I might make it in the animation business. He was a ****, he was right, I'm blacklisted now from my Career by my peers, my "Friends", but he was a **** for spewing that drunken tyrade in front of all those people after my parents barley had the tution to pay for that fucked up school.:mad:

A random Teacher needs to be pulled out of a school once a week and beatened the shit out of, just to keep them in check. That is untill we start paying them enough to keep their mouths shut and adn do their job - to HELP students.:D

Rich

So my friend was telling me this, she goes to a public school in suburban New York. Her teacher actually called her the Anti-Christ and sent her to her guidance counselor 'cause she "makes people uncomfortable" which means she wears a lot of black (but not to a goth extent). Honestly, this kind of person should not be allowed to teach, IMO. Thoughts? Poll to come.
They absolutely should hired on as teachers, so that the principal can have them stand up in front of the whole school and proclaim their values in a lecture series call, "Bugfuck Insane Jackarses and the Funny Things They Say To Vulnerable Children."

Tell her teacher that her statement may be tautologically unsound, since the anti-christ, if it is real, will rule the world for a period of time, and the ruler of the Earth doesn't submit to anything less than a District Superintendent.

:D

Many Years later I worked for a Japanese animation company which utilized, drumroll please,...spaceships!

Wow, you actually got to work on anime? You are so lucky, that must have been awesome.

Ok, let me get this straight.

The teacher didnt use foul language.
Didnt use physical violence.
Didnt use the threat of physical violence.

The teacher is simply used a common phrase for the worst of the worst which is connected to the Christian Mythos and he needs to be robbed of his career because some snotting twit of child is offended.

I say your little brat in black needs to stomped stupid in an alley by a pack goose stepping Neo-facist skinheads. SO she can see what being put off good and proper really is.

The teacher insulted the student. Regardless of what you think of it, it's unprofessional, and teachers are supposed to be professional.

Teachers are a bother. They are paid low salaries, so the job isn't respected as, say a doctor. And if no-óne respects the teacher, the teacher has to be damn nice or nobody will care about the lessons. I had a few bad eggs... A semi-crazy english teacher who didn't really know English....A woodworks teacher with some sort of agressiveness decease... And nowadays an extremely boring and old-fashioned German teacher.

But the worst of them all was my PE teacher in 4rd grade. I will never forget him. He was a greece former baker and car repairer, and now he decided to become a PE teacher. How he got the job I do not know. He never showered, never shaved, it seemed, and loved to eat youghurt and tomatoes(ugh).

Once he held an entire lesson explaining how a bicykle worked (this is the chain. You have to oil the chain), and once spend a lesson watching some program about carbs, designed for two-year olds. When we had sports, he wouldn't judge, saying, "it doesn't matter."

He came up with really silly games, like the very physically demanding task of walking a straight line towards a girl, and then hug her. Keep in mind that I was in the age when boys considered girls to have "girl-germs".

But his worst feature: Whenever someone who was being educated to PE teacher came by to practise, he would spend the entire lesson staring at her, with an obvious hard-on! Man, we all hated him.

Someone in my was called a devil worshipper. But that's the price for going to catholic school...

The poll isn't that great. My decision would be based on context and circumstance.

Obviously a light-hearted comment or joke would be fine, for example, if a student's combined mark in exams turned out to be 666 then it would be a very boring teacher who passed up the opportunity to comment.

If it's being used directly as an insult then it still depends on the circumstance, if the pupil in question is 'the pupil from Hell' and one day the teacher just snapped I would still consider it acceptable.

However, if what the OP says is true (although I suspect it was mangled a bit by the rumour mill) then that is completely out of order, just as the teacher who told all the Christians in the class that they were fools and would get 'F's was completely out of order.

So my friend was telling me this, she goes to a public school in suburban New York. Her teacher actually called her the Anti-Christ and sent her to her guidance counselor 'cause she "makes people uncomfortable" which means she wears a lot of black (but not to a goth extent). Honestly, this kind of person should not be allowed to teach, IMO. Thoughts? Poll to come.

This sort of thing is completly unacceptable from a teacher. She has no business bringing her religion into the classroom. ;)

Definitely should be allowed to teach, some of the best teachers are crazy like that. For example, my favourite teacher once said:

"Don't look out the god-damn window! You look forward at me! Even if Jesus himself is out there, you watch me and you and Jesus can chill later! Jesus DOES NOT teach math!"

Biblicly speaking there is no Anti Christ. There are anti Christs. There is a supposed The Beast and there is a false Prophet but no Anti Christ.

Definitely should be allowed to teach, some of the best teachers are crazy like that. For example, my favourite teacher once said:

"Don't look out the god-damn window! You look forward at me! Even if Jesus himself is out there, you watch me and you and Jesus can chill later! Jesus DOES NOT teach math!"

LMAO!!!

My philosophy teacher is mad but in a good way. He genuinely said this:

"Now, I'm feeling quite depressed at the moment so we've got two options. We could all go down to the pub but then I'd get locked up so I've decided that you're all going to work and I'll sit here and stroke myself."

He said it in such a cool, calm and collected way, it was hillarious!:p

But do any of them present the requirement as being religious, even fallaciously? That is to say, do they tell their children, "Here, Allah wants you to wear this."

My concern is, if a cultural belief is annexed by a religion, and the followers believe to be a tenet of that religion, is it protected?

If not, can the Catholics be prevented from saying a Mass in Latin, since requiring Latin Mass may not have factual basis in the teaching of Jesus?

(I have no idea what the legislative intent of such a law would be, maybe some State Law requiring the speaking of English, or something, I'm sure it would be ridiculous, but for our purposes here, imagine such a law)

Well, not exactly the same, but similar and just as rediculous.
Student Suspended for Speaking Spanish (http://www.kansascitykansan.com/articles/2005/12/05/news/local/news4.txt)

Simple response to poll question:

Not no, but hell no.

Direct, unambiguous and even mildly ironic.

So my friend was telling me this, she goes to a public school in suburban New York. Her teacher actually called her the Anti-Christ and sent her to her guidance counselor 'cause she "makes people uncomfortable" which means she wears a lot of black (but not to a goth extent). Honestly, this kind of person should not be allowed to teach, IMO. Thoughts? Poll to come.

Depends on whether or not the teacher was joking. However, as a private music teacher, I try to avoid making any remarks about politics or religion.
Those remarks are guaranteed to alienate at least half my students or their parents.

I don't see what you're all complaining about. My headmaster appeared on the front page of a national tabloid after he was caught by the caretaker being spanked with a twelve inch ruler by the dinner lady! Do you have any idea what that'll do to a eleven year old boy!?

I don't see what you're all complaining about. My headmaster appeared on the front page of a national tabloid after he was caught by the caretaker being spanked with a twelve inch ruler by the dinner lady! Do you have any idea what that'll do to a eleven year old boy!?

Get him interested in the Diner Lady?

So my friend was telling me this, she goes to a public school in suburban New York. Her teacher actually called her the Anti-Christ and sent her to her guidance counselor 'cause she "makes people uncomfortable" which means she wears a lot of black (but not to a goth extent). Honestly, this kind of person should not be allowed to teach, IMO. Thoughts? Poll to come.
Connor! How you doing, pal? Long time, no talk! Is this hijacking? Sorry.

Tis Just Another Example Of Stupid Christians. (Not Saying All Christians Are Stupid, Just Saying This Is An Example Of Extremist Christians).

He is still poisonning the enviroment for the student, reducing his/her ablility to learn.


Good god, wah wah. No, honestly, this doesn't even register more than "yeah he's an asshole." Try being the black trenchcoat guy the day after Columbine. Try being told not to come to school because the dean thinks you "pose a potential threat to the visiting Prime Minister" (I wish I was joking). Honestly, a teacher called her the anti-christ and sent her to the office. It's worth a laugh and a middle finger.

Well, not exactly the same, but similar and just as rediculous.
Student Suspended for Speaking Spanish (http://www.kansascitykansan.com/articles/2005/12/05/news/local/news4.txt)

I was once suspended because my parents didn't speak Spanish. Well, kind of. Really it was because I refused to bring home an "English as a second language" flyer. Gross insubordination and destructioin of school property (I threw it away)...

Yes I did get to work for an a Japanese animtion company (many actually, freelanced when the main projects were finished) It was my life long ambition, I reached it, thanks to the super kind hearted beautifu; people of Japan, after i come back though I got royally reamed by the americans my so called mates in the "Very Small" as in minded NYC animation "comunity" where the So called Liberals are OH SO Open-minded about other forms of art.:headbang:

Its all black now....:mad:

Goddamn it!!!

Rich

The teacher insulted the student. Regardless of what you think of it, it's unprofessional, and teachers are supposed to be professional.
Regardless of what you think there is nothing that says a teher can not insult you--sorry if all you liitle angels think you deserve respect for just being born but that isnt the case, and if the posters on general are any indication of the typical teen--I stand by my first statement for all of them as well--a good old fashion boot party to offer an education in real disrespect is.

I dont understand why you twits think you have some right to be treated better then you treat people.

This isnt a case of religious persecution, sexual discrimination, racism, or any other ethno- hetero-centric thing--it is snotting trouble maker receiving a label of being the 'worst of the worst' and getting upset because appearently no one is allowed to put in their place anymore.

No right to not be offended.


So go back to your 9th grade lunchroom and pretend to be all growed up kiddo.

Well, not exactly the same, but similar and just as rediculous.
Student Suspended for Speaking Spanish (http://www.kansascitykansan.com/articles/2005/12/05/news/local/news4.txt)
Now this is an outrage, this is blatant ethno-centric racism against a child, who has the audacity to speak more then one language in the USA.

Regardless of what you think there is nothing that says a teher can not insult you--sorry if all you liitle angels think you deserve respect for just being born but that isnt the case, and if the posters on general are any indication of the typical teen--I stand by my first statement for all of them as well--a good old fashion boot party to offer an education in real disrespect is.

I dont understand why you twits think you have some right to be treated better then you treat people.

This isnt a case of religious persecution, sexual discrimination, racism, or any other ethno- hetero-centric thing--it is snotting trouble maker receiving a label of being the 'worst of the worst' and getting upset because appearently no one is allowed to put in their place anymore.

No right to not be offended.


So go back to your 9th grade lunchroom and pretend to be all growed up kiddo.

Well, I don't really know about the US, but in Germany for example teachers are employed by and therefore representatives of the state. As such, there are a few rules they have to follow, and remaining polite towards students is one of them.
It is my experience (largely from within my own family) that a person who cannot gain respect while being polite cannot gain respect by being insulting, either.