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"This is a fascinating subject to me, and the idea that we can actually impact weather is exciting, and I guess, frightening in some ways," Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., said during a November hearing on a bill that could start up a federal weather modification research program.

So let me get this straight. Our science isn't strong enough to identify trends in Global Climate Change. We haven't studied climatology long enough to know what's really happening. Man doesn't have the capability to alter the climate...

But we're gonna dick around with altering the weather anyway?

Didn't Tesla do a lot of experiments with this?

The shit politicians say.

Didn't Tesla do a lot of experiments with this?

[places a hat made of both tin and aluminum foil on his head]

Dude, that's what caused the 1908 Tunguska explosion.

Be nice if the weatherman could accurately predict the weather correctly before screwing around with the weather itself. It is SO aggravating when they say 4 inches of snow and you get hit with a foot or a sunny day instead. :headbang:

Oh goodie! Now when natural disasters happen, there's more people to sue! Let the lawsuit-fest commence!:D

Scientists ARE identifying global warming trend, dispite the best efforts of Energy cops. and other businesses (and the republican senators they control;). I think forcasting change and cutting down on pollutants that are causing the Greenhouse Effect is more realistic than attempting to alter our weather(and think of the consequences if they screwed up! *shudder*).

So if human impact on global warming is a hoax, perpetrated by pink-commie-hippie-leftwing-nutcase-scientists looking for funding, would this then be a hoax perpetrated by trigger-happy-fascist-hawk-PNAC-army-hilbillies?

Be nice if the weatherman could accurately predict the weather correctly before screwing around with the weather itself. It is SO aggravating when they say 4 inches of snow and you get hit with a foot or a sunny day instead. :headbang:
The only rain Southern California was given yesterday was my sweat.

Be nice if the weatherman could accurately predict the weather correctly before screwing around with the weather itself. It is SO aggravating when they say 4 inches of snow and you get hit with a foot or a sunny day instead. :headbang:

Predicting specifics is very very different from identifying general trends.

As an analogy, we can predict that shooting a glass with a bullet will break the glass, but we can't predict the exact shape of the pieces that result (though we might have an idea as to the general pattern the impact makes.)

Predicting specifics is very very different from identifying general trends.

As an analogy, we can predict that shooting a glass with a bullet will break the glass, but we can't predict the exact shape of the pieces that result (though we might have an idea as to the general pattern the impact makes.)

Yeah I've been told how weather predicting is hard but predicting climate is much easier. You can guess what will happen 100 years from now but not a few days from now.

The only rain Southern California was given yesterday was my sweat.

We all can't have your perfect weather. :(

Yeah I've been told how weather predicting is hard but predicting climate is much easier. You can guess what will happen 100 years from now but not a few days from now.

Sigh. Neither is easy. The difference is between the general and the specific. We know, for example, that Summer is hotter than Spring. Does that mean every day in Summer is hotter than every day in Spring? Are you going to deny the existence of seasons because of a warm day in May?

[places a hat made of both tin and aluminum foil on his head]

Dude, that's what caused the 1908 Tunguska explosion.I thought that was still attributed to a meteorite/comet exploding in the Earth's atmosphere... best theory they could come up with why it was butterfly shaped and had an eye.

Hmmm, if the US continues with this we all might just get to see what it might be like to like in Red Alert II. c.c

It would be interesting though to see if they could use the technology that's researched to break up huricanes and typhoons before they hit land or whilst they're still forming.

Sigh. Neither is easy. The difference is between the general and the specific. We know, for example, that Summer is hotter than Spring. Does that mean every day in Summer is hotter than every day in Spring? Are you going to deny the existence of seasons because of a warm day in May?

I should just assume the question is rhetorical but... No. :D

Welcome to the next generation of warfare, ladies and gents.

But we're gonna dick around with altering the weather anyway?
Sounds good for the laywers - as a result of cloud-seeding experiments in China, one city is blaming another for causing a drought by making the rain fall before it reached them.

Sigh. Neither is easy. The difference is between the general and the specific. We know, for example, that Summer is hotter than Spring. Does that mean every day in Summer is hotter than every day in Spring? Are you going to deny the existence of seasons because of a warm day in May?
Side note ....
Up here in AK (yes, Ted "Hulk" Stevens' state ...),
it's around 40 degrees and everything's thawing out. And it's sh*t weather for the states.
Thought i'd mention that. :)

About damn time. There had better be zeppelins involved.

HAARP is the magic word here, i've posted a bit on it (but apparently i can't grave-dig)

Eastlund patents.
I've got skinny on it for anyone who gives a coprolite.

Moreover, type up Earthpulse Press
and/or Nick Begich (brother of Mark Begich, current Anchorage Mayor)

I've got patents and descriptions.
TG me if necessary.

Didn't Tesla do a lot of experiments with this?

I just finished reading his biography. Short answer: yes, he claimed that he could control weather to an extent after his experiments in Colorado. On the other hand there is little hard evidence of this.

Undeniably the man was a genius. He basically invented the modern power grid. But he also seemed to make a lot of claims that came to nothing. (Like power transmission through the upper atmosphere, instead of using HT wires).

So if human impact on global warming is a hoax, perpetrated by pink-commie-hippie-leftwing-nutcase-scientists looking for funding, would this then be a hoax perpetrated by trigger-happy-fascist-hawk-PNAC-army-hilbillies?

ROFL

Oh, and yes.

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So let me get this straight. Our science isn't strong enough to identify trends in Global Climate Change. We haven't studied climatology long enough to know what's really happening. Man doesn't have the capability to alter the climate...

But we're gonna dick around with altering the weather anyway?

Instead of a butterfly flapping it's wings in Peking, we'll have a climatologist swinging a sledgehammer in Kansas.

I can't wait for the excitingly chaotic results! :D

Instead of a butterfly flapping it's wings in Peking, we'll have a climatologist swinging a sledgehammer in Kansas.

I can't wait for the excitingly chaotic results! :D
If it's Kansas, using their current curricular standards ....
we are indeed doomed.
Heads between the legs, you know the drill.

I just finished reading his biography. Short answer: yes, he claimed that he could control weather to an extent after his experiments in Colorado. On the other hand there is little hard evidence of this.

Undeniably the man was a genius. He basically invented the modern power grid. But he also seemed to make a lot of claims that came to nothing. (Like power transmission through the upper atmosphere, instead of using HT wires).
Actually there is fruition on the wireless power transmission, specifically that.
It works on a function called "Langmuir turbulence".
It is perpetrated through the K and L levels of the atmosphere.
One of the frequencies used to propegate the wave are in the ELF range of 10 hz, as used before HAARP in the Soviets' Woodpecker Project.
HAARP is up here in my state, AK, run by the U.S. Navy, fueled by natural gas in Gakona, and for the most part, highly classified.
It should also be noted that the military have a working electrostatic weapon, one of which had been used w/in the past year in a town in Sicily.
As well, there are currently light pulse devices that are used to scatter ice formations above towns in some of the bigger cities to stave off damaging hailstones.

EDIT: HAARP isn't the only official "Ionospheric heater" in the world, and not the first.
Norway has EISCAT.
Russia has SURA.
There's another in Areceibo whose name i've never known.
I'm not convinced that HAARP is the newest one, at this point, since it went online in 94 for one project, 96 for others ... one of the 96 apps was earth-penetrating tomographical application, as was blatantly referenced in the movie,
The Core, although it looks nothing like the generator in the movie and works a bit differently ... and is above ground.

A patent app to look up on this matter is
USP#5,041,834 ... also see Sept. 94 for further ref's.
Probably worth it to skip the "conspiracy pages" .... but the good pages are VERY few.

Didn't Tesla do a lot of experiments with this?


Yes, but after a career of studying electricity, he formed a hair-metal band by the same name, and enjoyed some moderate recording success.

Yes, but after a career of studying electricity, he formed a hair-metal band by the same name, and enjoyed some moderate recording success.
'Bout time he rolled some friggin' coin for SOMETHING!!!!

BTW - they're *still* releasing albums.

If it's Kansas, using their current curricular standards ....
we are indeed doomed.
Heads between the legs, you know the drill.

Can you say Superstorm? I bet you can. ;)

Can you say Superstorm? I bet you can. ;)
You know what, i've never read that book, and also, i was first let on to this whole thing through a catalogue left on my friend's windshield at UAA.
I tossed the blurb to my dad, who's a moderate Tesla fan, and then he said he'd heard about it on After Dark or whatever Art's show was called at the time.
You know the funny part - Art Bell started up on KUDO radio up here in AK.
Also *props* he was on Millenium!!
I still get the magazine from my dad at times, which is cool since it has a bunch of netlinks on the back page and a little more coherence than the interviews might allot.

So, the book any good?

You know what, i've never read that book, and also, i was first let on to this whole thing through a catalogue left on my friend's windshield at UAA.
I tossed the blurb to my dad, who's a moderate Tesla fan, and then he said he'd heard about it on After Dark or whatever Art's show was called at the time.
You know the funny part - Art Bell started up on KUDO radio up here in AK.
Also *props* he was on Millenium!!
I still get the magazine from my dad at times, which is cool since it has a bunch of netlinks on the back page and a little more coherence than the interviews might allot.

So, the book any good?

There's a book called Superstorm? *blink*

There's a book called Superstorm? *blink*
The Coming Global Superstorm
by Art Bell and (i think) Whitley Strieber (of Communion).
For fun, i should point out that 3 of the 5 or criterion required for the sequences in The Day After Tomorrow have already been met, and the most current one is the altering of the thermohaline circulation. Bad news. :(
I will also point out that i'm not one of the people who just thinks all that sh*t would happen overnight ...

Hey, it worked for Star Trek.

Hey, it worked for Star Trek.
Actually, it worked until Q murdered that one babe Q's family.
(Olivia D'Abo?)
Tornados up til that point were pretty much moot due the weather net.
It also didn't do much good when the probe arrived to communicate with the whales.

*BUMP*ies

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So let me get this straight. Our science isn't strong enough to identify trends in Global Climate Change. We haven't studied climatology long enough to know what's really happening. Man doesn't have the capability to alter the climate...

But we're gonna dick around with altering the weather anyway?

Yep, that's what it sounds like to me as well...

If you cannot reliably predict the weather, you will not be able, to similar degrees, to predict the outcome of any modifications made to the climate...

That works with any extremely complex system.